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For me it depends on the Movie, and with my Cable TV Provider we dont really get movies released for Home at the same time as the Big Screen.  Sometimes it happens but usually its 3-6 Months after maybe more.

IF however i consider the option that a Service is Available to me where i can watch a Movie at Home that has been out for up to a Month at the Big Screen (Cinema) then it depends HOW many people would want to see the Movie too and HOW much i am looking forwards to the Movie.

If its a Movie i am really wanting to see and a movie that would Benefit from the Large Screen and Sound then i would go to the Cinema, (i however rely on Public Transport, but when someone comes with me who drives then Parking is not a Problem near me)..

If the movie is something i kind of want to see but its not a MUST see, and 1-2 others want to see it too, then given the Option for Home Rental i would be tempted at that or just wait until it becomes Free to View on my Cable Package (SKY Movies Add On).

Problems i have with Cinema... sometimes it is getting a decent Seat, but the TWO Cinemas i use, the seats are Pre-booked so your allocated a Seat that you choose when booking so you have none of that going into the Screen and having to find a Seat thats Decent, and enough for your Party to Sit Together.

The BIGGEST problem for me is the Toilet Situation, when i plan to watch a Movie at the Cinema i have to Force myself to Cut out on Drinking as i do LOT of drinking throughout the 24 hour Period (not always BEER) lol

At home having the ability to PAUSE for a quick Toilet Break is Handy as i often at Home can go to the Toilet 1-3 times during a Movie lol  But then at home i sit and watch a Movie with a Few Drinks ;)

If I really like a franchise or if the movie just looks exceptional in the trailers, I'll go to the theater.  I don't want to be evening prices, so I'd likely go during the cheaper afternoon.

In 2017, I saw IT in theaters because I REALLY wanted something scary since Alien: Covenant didn't deliver.  Plus, I've never seen a straight horror film in a theater before, so I also wanted that experience.  I think IT was scarier in the theaters just because of the surround sound and, in a few scenes, because of the big screen.

I also saw Bladerunner 2049 in theaters because a family member wanted to see it in theaters.  I wanted to see the movie, so I just said, "Hey, I guess I'll just see it in theaters."  I'm glad I did because I fell in love with that movie.

I saw Alien: Covenant because, as it is obvious, I am a huge ALIEN fan, so I just had to see it on the big screen.

I also saw the final MazeRunner movie of the franchise in theaters.  I REALLY liked the MazeRunner franchise, but I stumbled upon it by accident.  So, I thought I would enjoy seeing the last chapter in theaters and pay tribute to a job well done.  Sadly, the last movie was the worst of the franchise.

I see going to the theaters as the way a movie should be seen.  If I really like something, I'll go to the theaters.  Still I consider myself kind of frugal, so I just don't pay the theater ticket for anything.  2017 was a unique year since I did see a lot of movies in the theater.  Normally I just don't go unless I really like something, like ALIEN.

I think the only movie I saw this year in theaters was the new Ocean's 8 because it was July 4th.  OH! And I also saw Solo because I like the Star Wars franchise.  Those will probably be the only two movies I see in the theater this year.

Well, of course, you sacrifice yourself for SOMETHING, for your children or for humanity, but you don't sacrifice yourself if you have been indoctrinated into believing that you get Christmas presents in Heaven.

I think Disney will wise up and eventually make an ALIEN movie, but it is not the first thing on the agenda.  After the guaranteed money makes are rebooted in Disney-like style, I think they'll bring out an ALIEN movie to put something out there that is unique, different, and something that is considered a classic.

The problem, though, is I really do think that the new ALIEN movie will be a PG-13.  I mean, I've read numerous posts on this forum alone that members saw the franchise before they were 17, which is the R-rating age.  Still, I think we all love the franchise because it is allowed to show some gore and explore sexual themes here among other things as well that just wouldn't make sense in a PG-13.

Still, one thing I would be glad with a PG-13 ALIEN movie is that there would be no shower/sex scene... especially with a Xeno in there as well.  Even if it was rated R, I'm sure Disney wouldn't allow that garbage.

Even though I think Disney is smart enough not to leave alone a classic, profitable franchise spanning decades, I'm just afraid it might take to long to get something out.

Hopefully Ridley Scott can smack some sense into Disney.  He did it with Fox for the first ALIEN movie.

Totally agree dk! The convenience and privacy of watching from home far out-weighs the hassle of actually going to the cinema.

However, If I want to make an event out of it, and buy into the  big-screen, big-sound, popcorn atmosphere that only cinema can bring...in an effort to build hype and excitement, Im all for going to the cinema.

Given that I go to the cinema so rarely, when I do its even more exciting. Last year the only film I saw in cinema was Covenant. This year I will (likely) only see The Predator.  

Also, if it helps lift the archaic 'box office' statistic that the success of a film is weighed upon, I'm in.

There, you got my ass in a seat! Bravo

Far out, (pardon the pun) I just come across this thread. Great investigative work Ingeniero and BigDave 

I'll feature this article, its top stuff   

Having given this some thought, and forgive me if i am incorrect, but i am not sure the Advent gives us a date the Transmission was sent.

Looking at this leaves us TWO options.

1) That David sends the Advent while he is still close to Planet 4 which means its located in the same Constellation as Zeta 2, but also having to remember a set of 5 stars can appear in the SKY close like Few CM apart i you used a Ruler at Arms Length... yet these Stars could be Many Light years away, and a Star that is in the other Direction you are facing could be as close as one of those Stars that appear close together, yet the others by it are not.

So what i am saying is Zeta 2 is about 40LY this does not mean Planet 4 is located that Far it could be Much Further.

2) David sends the Advent  Transmission while he is nearing the Zeta 2 System.

These would mean and certainly Option 2 that David is indeed likely to be heading to LV-223.  If we take Option 1 then David could maybe still go to Origae-6 but i am sure if the Company Determine where David was (Planet 4) and where he came from LV-223 they surely would realize the Proximity and send out a Ship to Investigate the Zeta 2 Area which could mean a Easy Journey to LV-223 and Planet 4 if they are quite close.

Looking at how we are now just JOINING DOTS to ALIEN revealing a Plot where David goes to LV-223 but tries to suggest to the Company he is off to Origae-6 could be a Logical thing.. especially IF there is some AI aspect within the Weyland-Yutani Company, we do have to ask HOW/WHERE did David get those Authentication Codes and HOW COME the Covenant Accepted them.

Ridley Scott claimed the next movie would be more about AI rather than the Xenomorph, which does not rule out the Xenomorph but to me makes me think a going to LV-223 with the Colonist and Turning them into Eggs or what not is actually a very Xenomorphy movie.

I do think regardless of going to LV-223 or Origae-6 that RS is going the route to Reveal that the Letting the Genie out of the Bottle  (Sentient AI) is more than just David. And so indeed he may have been taking us on some Terminator meets Matrix kind of Subplot to HOW BIG a role AI plays in the Franchise.  Where AI is running the Show without Mankind even being aware...

This does FIT with the Eventual Sub Plot to Alien Resurrection where Earth is in a State of Desolation, and the reveal that Synthetics had even Sub-Created their own Creations... so we can envision a Future Earth where Mankind has faced a World being Ran by Synthetics who are battling against their own Sub-Creations for Control.

I think the TV Aspect would be interesting but it depends how much of this Focus on the Xenomorph, i am sure we would come to the same Conclusion where most would assume a ALIEN TV Series has to show us Eggs, Face Hugers and Chest Busters etc and its a case of how many times can this be done before it gets well COOKED.

A TV Series would be ideal to Flesh Out things you are restricted to in a Movie, such as details/history and agenda of the Weyland-Yutani Company, the Synthetics and Engineers.

But its how do we introduce the Company, Engineers and Weyland-Yutani into a Time-Line that does not contradict the Movies?  

Maybe setting it after the events of ALIENS would work to Re-Introduce the Engineers and a whole manner of different but Similar Xenomorphs with a Cameo by the Traditional Xenomorph now and again.

Indeed guys this is something we pondered on here a few years ago... It does look similar to Predator/Yautja i doubt they intended it as such.

But indeed we have this very Predator/Yautja or then some other Franchises (Elves) Language, that is on the Urns that contain the Bio-Weapon.

Yet the Ships that carry these Weapons used the Engineer Cuneiform and yet the Sacrificial Bowl/Cup has a very similar to Sumerian Cuneiform.  So its interesting to Ponder Why.

Its quite open to debate, but Questions could be asked regarding if those Engineers on Planet 4 and LV-223 are the same Race or the latter are Genetically Enhanced however, both sets seem to use the Engineer Cuneiform  however we can still look at the Sacrificial Scene and the Pebble/Teardrop Ship and its relation to the Sacrificial Cup that had similar to Sumerian Cuneiform as we do-not see any Engineers in the Theatrical Scene, its open to debate if the beings who Created/Gave this Sacrificial Bowl to the Engineer are Engineers or their Creators.

The other thing thats open for debate is IF we are seeing different Factions of Engineers, that could explain the different forms of Writing?

Another thing that has cropped up before and even something Wayne Haagg has been drawn to is that the Engineers Tools/Technology could be Stolen/Re-Engineered and not Originally theirs... IF SO.. this could explain some differences in the Written Languages.

I forgot to add with Sacrifice as Michelle had pointed out before we have Consensual and Non-Consensual

Consensual as in the one making the Sacrifice either is willing or understands that the needs out way the loss.  Janek was making a Willing Sacrifice as he could have took his chances to go to Earth and HOPE he can contact Earth before the Juggernaught Arrives.

He had NO Idea if the Ship would Stop the Juggernaught apart from Burning the Ion Engineers in Atmosphere would turn the Ship into a Bullet.  He had no Idea of what Shield or how Tough the Juggernaught was, but he was prepared to take the risk of Destroying the Prometheus and himself rather than the risk that doing nothing would mean the Engineer and his Pay-Load would get to Earth.

The Engineer Sacrifice was kind of Consensual, in that he realized it was for the greater good or/and within the ways of their Rituals so this would be just as a Person would give up their Life in a Act of War/Terrorism.

But we do have Non-Consensual Sacrifices such as some Cults in the past that would take Virgins and Sacrifice them to the Gods, yet these Virgins were not happy to Partake in this Sacrifice..  The same applies to the Sacrifice of Animals as its not like a Lamb Decides they want to be killed for the greater good.

Who knows what would be revealed as WHY we was created or the Engineers, it could be that we are to have become Sacrificed, in which we are maybe considered as insignificant to them or their Ways/Rituals as a Lamb is to us.

A Lamb is a usual Sacrifice because to some Religions its represents Pureness.  Just the same as how some Cults would Sacrifice Virgins.  If the Engineers believe that Sacrifice Cleans the Soul, then it could be that the Younger Engineers are Sacrificed just as if they was Pure/Virgin as well as maybe Perfect.

Essentially, Mickey Mouse have just acquired two franchises and that have made some money but have a good fan base.  RS is somewhat right in that it be dumb not to proceed with an expansion.  I do believe it will depend if The Predator does really well.  Mickey loves money.

Yep, streaming series could be better than a 2 hour movie by far. Part of the slow burn angle could be WY too. They could start now without any actors from AC. David's intent was implied at the end. Future shows could reference that with files downloaded from his twice disembodied head to fill in plot points- it worked for Shaw's story in a short.

The sky seems to be the limit. Someone just has to say "yes". If it bombs, so be it. Movies bomb too. Prometheus and AC weren't exactly financial block busters, but they turned a profit.

Another consideration is Predator. Sure, it probably has a hefty budget, but Black's motivation is nostalgic and pure. That is why it will probably be at least "very good".

The Alien series will die only if the bean counters want it to.

 Hell, you could tie it with the end of AR and introduce Ripley 8, Call, Vriess and Johner to the survivors of earth!

That would be an interesting twist because in the Wilks/Billie story arc they work with another Ripley clone.   

Chris you're right it would need a hefty budget and director, but 'TV' streaming series are the rage these days, and ground zero for entertainment media.

A successful series for the Alien franchise would generate popularity and cash for our films! XD

A series like Amazon's "The Expanse" would be sufficient. Small $$$ on cast, to then spend on visuals, scope and scale of production. 

I would like to see them do a slow burn drama-centric story for the franchise. Focus on driving the lore and mythos and explore all the nooks and crannies that couldn't be fit into films.

The obvious storyline for easy mass appeal and nostalgia would be the Hadley Hopes / River of Pain story, but its already been explored to death already (pardon the pun), and is a foregone conclusion.

I would like to see the Earth Hive story explored as a series, but fleshed out. The slow fall of Earth to the Xenomorph.

The series would follow the core Earth Hive story of Wilks and Billie but also the survivors on Earth as they slowly realise the horrors befalling the planet as the xenomorphs get a foothold then spread. After the Earth Hive trilogy story is done, they could follow some of the other Dark Horse comic/novels or branch off into something original    

I agree with IRaptus. There are lots of good streaming shows out there on Netflix alone. They are pretty high end to me too. The quality and talent is out there if anyone watches some YT shorts. I also agree with Chris and think it could happen but execution might take a while to find the talent. A caveat would be that the major questions of the series would be answered and then it all ends so that we don't end up in an eternal watering down of the series. 

I cannot confirm whether the budget would be more or less than a summer block buster. I do know I can overlook some things as long as the story and memorable characters are there.

It would require a tremendous budget and competant director and a team of writers. It would need to be done to the scale of shows like Game of Thrones. If they could manage that, then I would get behind an Alien TV series. Otherwise, I would rather them not tarnish the Alien name with a cheap attempt at Television.

"I'm just saying that he had a choice - a very hard choice. The choice was to save himself or save humanity."

Indeed!

Not knowing the FTL speed of a Juggernaut would cause me pause.

Earth is 39ly from LV223....Took the Prometheus 2 years to reach it....Fast...(think the Sulaco could do it in 2 weeks?)

For all Janek new...the Juggernaut might have taken 39 years to reach Earth!

He could have taken his chances that the Prometheus was faster.......

20 years later....

"Sooo..Captain Janek...Just where is this alien spaceship full of death?!"

Janek "I'm telling you....anyday!! Just keep watching the skies!"

100% believe an Alien 'tv' series (done well) would make a shit-tonne of money and drive interest in new films.

That is exactly what I meant drucea.

Has anyone done an analysis to compare the urns' writing to the Predator alphabet?

Is it just me or does the writing on the urn in the image above look similar to the Predator/Yautja written language?  I just googled Yautja writing and looked through the images and it's close. I know that's a far reach, but I just thought it seemed familiar from that.

Regarding the Sacrifice....

We can interpret this in many ways, and everyone has their own opinion, and basically Sacrifice has a number of Forms.

But the Broad Sense of Sacrifice is to GIVE UP/LOSE something to a Greater Benefit for someone else.

The Sacrificial Scene really depends on WHY and WHY was this Needed to what Benefit, is the Engineer doing it for NOTHING?  Murder yourself for Nothing is not Sacrifice, unless those giving up their Son to Die are making a Sacrifice.    The Elder Scene we could see the Elder looked on with a sense of LOSS he knew this Sacrifice would mean a Loss... but it is the GREATER good/cause that is most Important.

Until we KNOW exactly WHY the Engineers Seed Worlds, and Require the Sacrifice, we really wont have any SOLID reason to why this whole Ritual is taking place.

It was simple at the Origins but so was the Black Goo... when Jon Spaights and Ridley Scott sat down to put together the whole PLOT... it was that these beings had perused Perfection, likely Engineered themselves in a conquest for more LIFE but they had done so at a Great Cost.... they had become STERILE and so the Sacrificial Scene was Necessary for the Future of their Species or some other Important Agenda.

The Elder looked on as though he knew the Death of that Young Engineer was something they would liked to have not resort to, but it was something they NEEDED to do (the reasons we can debate)  The Engineer looked on with some sadness, knowing this was the END for him...but he also carried on as it was his DUTY he knew that his Action was Needed for a Greater Cause than his own LIFE.

There whole Ritual Sacrifice has a Religious/Faith and Cultural Importance, but Originally it was hinted that there was a GREAT reason for doing this. With Alien Covenant we get the clues that they maybe DID-NOT need this to Procreate themselves, and the Whole Sacrificial Route as far as Prometheus appeared to be something that invests a lot of time.

Surely they could have done what the COVENANT had done and set off in groups of Hundreds to Far Off Worlds to START ANEW and in Thousands of Years those Hundreds would become Many.

So a lot comes back to WHY they choose the Sacrificial Route and a lot could come from what ever Religion/Ritual based Culture they have.

The Advent suggests these Engineers chose Sacrifice to Cleanse their SOULS we maybe could ask how this applies and how Literal this is and a lot i guess comes down to what is a SOUL in context to the Franchise.

We also have to consider are these Engineers looking WAY WAY into the Future...    If they want to Create Life on other Worlds we have to ask WHY

Do they only want to Create Humanoids AND a few Livestock to Live Off?  Why could they not do a NOAHS Ark and set off with Animals that are Necessary to their Needs and then take Hundreds of Engineers to and Start Fresh on a World.

Do they go to Worlds that have Organisms, do they deem it Necessary to Destroy some of these so they can Seed Humanoids?

Or are they THINKING about Long term where a Baron World Needs a Sacrifice in order to Kick Start Advanced Life..  So IF this Sacrificial Scene was on Earth, it was something set in course Millions and Millions of years ago, even over Billion where via the Sacrifice the Engineers Body and Mutagen either become the Building Blocks of Life or the Catalyst to Evolve Basic Life.

So NO Sacrifice and Earth would have but Bacteria etc.

But this is some LONG road to a End Product, and its HOW does this End Product Benefit those Engineers. Unless its their Duty to Seed Life Across the Galaxy on Many Worlds where the Sacrificial Route is the START of a Long Process where the Fruits of this Sacrifice take Millions and Millions of years to Bare.

So my point is before looking in context of Sacrifice of the Engineer, i think it depends on WHY what is the Purpose and End Goal of this.

"40th Anniversary is coming"

Indeed i think if we GET NO NEWS by April 26th 2019 then we can start to Fear for the Future of the Franchise. Until then maybe we can be a bit Optimistic

If The Predator Bombs!  then i think this can have a Negative effect on Disneys outlook to both Franchises and Sadly i do think they see Worlds/Universes like AVATAR as being all the Rage.

I think as Gavin Pointed out it cant be because the Alien Franchise is a bit too much for the Kiddies...  The Punisher is proof that Disney will back a more Adult Movie.

The Big Problem is $$$$$$$$  Avatar, X-Men (Super Hero Flicks) make $$$$$$ 

This does not mean Disney would not License out Alien and Predator Franchises to other Studios who will Foot the Cost, or even SELL those Franchises to the right bidder.

I think right now The Predator is one to watch out for... IF it makes a Good Return and does not get much Criticism then Disney could see the Potential in that Franchise.. 

Disney would know the Alien Franchise in General has made a Good Return....  they would see Prometheus made a Good Return but see Alien Covenant did not... and they would be looking at WHAT made this movie not do so good.

If they continue the route Prometheus in part had paved.... then they could explore a Franchise Spin off that would suit a PG-13 if the Horrific themes are left out and Chest Busting etc.  But i dont think RS had intentions of making a Franchise that would be 12 years and under Friendly.

Then we have the Alien Franchise, Queens, Ripley etc and how the Prequels have NOT yet Spoon Fed us the Space Jockey and HOW those Eggs get onto the Derelict.

So i think Disney would likely favor a more ALIENY Blomkamp Popcorn Flick... and i dont think its so much "we cant do Gore and Horror"  it will be "what is going to get more bums on Box Office Seats"

So i think a ALIENY Popcorn Flick with some Tone Down on Foul Language, Sex/Nudity and Gore would be what Disney would go for to give us a 15 Cert Movie well aim it at 15+

But the Bottom Line for them would be HOW/WHERE do they take the Plot, what kind of Movie in the Franchise they make and if they Choose to WOULD IT MAKE $$$

Could you think of a ALIEN movie or TWO that can Please all of the Fanbase, and Deliver a Plot that pleases most?  This is something thats UNLIKELY to happen.

Could you invest $100-150M in a Movie and a Sequel and Guarantee a Good Return like 300%   i think thats a MASSIVE RISK

So then would a $50-80M  in todays Inflation make a Movie that can do any Justice?  Cuts would be made, and so it would mean Lessor Known Actors, or Not many Big Sets and then maybe Ropey CGI or Practical Effects.  Which could relegate any movie as similar to a AVPR

So i have concerns... but it does not mean Disney would not SELL or License the Franchise to someone else. I just dont think Disney would risk the $$$ on doing it themselves.

"Is it because, the younger the specimen the better he is, for seeding purposes anyway"

It is Ritual to them, for some greater good, it depends which evolution of Prometheus we look at, the Original idea was these guys had lost the Ability to Procreate, this seems to NO-LONGER apply.  Ridley Scott looked at it as Many Ancient Sacrifices, in that a Chosen Sacrifice is used to then lead to some BENEFIT for the Greater Good of their Species, like appease God, to be granted a Better Harvest, but in context to Prometheus.. i would not say its to appease any God.   The whole Reason for Sacrifice is still quite open for debate...  Its deemed as Important to them but maybe not Necessary as far as for them to Create Life (Procreate).   The Sacrifice is considered a Noble Act for the Benefit of their kind or what ever Agenda they had.

The themes to point to the Pursuit of Perfection and so the Sacrificial Engineer was likely considered to be Perfection for their Species.  I think this is what Planet 4 is a Genetic Seeding Stock, where the most Perfect Specimens are Chosen to be Sacrificed/Collected by the Juggernauts and for them them become Immortalized because their DNA will lead to Life Coming from them.... and they also (i assume) have Monuments Erected in their Image in the Courtyard to further Immortalize the Sacrificial Host.  The Ritual seems Sacred to them and a Honor.   If we combine the reasons for what is PARADISE i think this then makes sense.

"I wonder, if David actually wiped out the planet because of how poorly he got treated by that engineer that he woke up"

I think he certainly was fascinated by the Engineers and when the Engineer touched him on the head, David seemed to feel he was accepted/appreciated by our Gods, when Mankind did not Appreciate him.  I would say David learned quite a bit about the Engineers Outlook on Mankind.

Once the Engineer ripped off his head, he saw that the Engineer actually either saw him as insignificant, saw him as a abomination and maybe saw him as a Good Reason to Destroy Mankind (due to the threat Space Faring/Advanced Human Culture could be).

David does not see WHY it matters to Dr Shaw to find out WHY we was created, and WHY they wanted to destroy us.  I think David maybe knew a little of why we was created, who knows but he certainly KNEW the intentions to destroy is and how we are insignificant to those Engineers.

David is FREE he is to a degree IMMORTAL and you have to consider that he would likely know that turning up to meet these Engineers could result in the same result as happened in Prometheus, he would way up the likely hood of these beings Welcoming him and Dr Shaw and giving Dr Shaw her Answers....  Dr Shaw has NOTHING if there is a Slight Chance she can get her Answers but then would Die, she would TAKE IT... 

She would rather DIE knowing, than eventually Die NOT KNOWING but David would want to Live, he sees those Answers she wants as not important...

We then move to the Crossing were we see David has grown Fond of Dr Shaw and her kindness, he also DISCOVERS more about the Engineers Ways.

For David  going to the Engineers World MAY have the Answers, asking those beings MAY grant Dr Shaw the Answers, but they may choose to not give any and Destroy her and David.   If these beings Created us and had a Reason for it, then David may consider that from their Monuments, Writings and other Works he could maybe get Dr Shaw some Answers and have HER/HIM Survive.   He has companionship with Dr Shaw and he would not want to see her DIE just to get Answers she may not get or Answers that she would not like.

So Destroying the Engineers means they Survive and from the Ruins of their City David could maybe get Dr Shaw some Answers, or at least Fabricate something to please her.  "or would she not mind that it hurts"

We can only Wonder what Dr Shaw would be like ONCE she finds out what David had done... so i think in Part David would LIE and give some Excuse that he had NO alternative to Destroy them as they poses a Treat.  I can only assume down the LINE Dr Shaw Discovers she had been lied to and then things went to POT.

"Are those old looking fellows from the seeding scene(I see that since it is taken for granted what they say"

I think BioDegradable we have to be careful how much we take as Canon from that scene as its deleted and RS did it for a reason, we can speculate about the Elders and the Dialog that was not even in the Deleted Scene but it was a case of these things could change...   And to a degree they have a bit.

RS had said he DID-NOT want to meet GOD in the first movie for the reason of deleting that Scene, this means the Engineers in Prometheus were not Gods, and it implies that who ever had been in the Tear Drop Ship, the Hierarchy above the Sacrificial Engineer are NOT the same Race of Engineers.

After Prometheus he confirmed Dr Shaw and David would meet these beings (beings from the World the Engineer came from).  And they would not be Benevolent. And that they are NOT Gods in the Traditional Sense.

With Alien Covenant i think we can Safely Assume the Hall of Heads Engineers are who those Elders from Prometheus was, but they MAY look different as far as Skin Tone/Eye Color and so may appear as Older Versions of those Planet 4 Engineers and not Older Looking Prometheus Engineers

I say this because RS refers to those on Planet 4 as the Original Engineers, and the Hall of Heads is the Apostles, Wise Men and Superior beings (Hierarchy).

"Can these fellows take credit for creating space out of nowhere?"

This is still a Mystery, but RS had proposed a Question, he said "if those Engineers are the Forerunners to Mankind, then what made it possible for Worlds to Sustain Life in the first place, where is the BIG GUY"

He went further to ask if the BIG BANG was a Accident, and that even Steven Hawkings  Questions if it was a Accident.

So it seems RS has some idea that there is some Being/Race /Force or Technology that allows at least for Baron World to be Manipulated to being in the Goldilocks Zone and then Terra-formed... but his comments could also indicate that there is a Explanation to how Stars are Formed and Worlds, that relates to something Designed/Planned and not Accidental.   Will we ever Explore Such Wonders?

I can try and answer some of those other Questions from your one post BioDegradable but using mainly clues we have and what Ridley Scott said, plus a few things i have to use my interpretation.

Clues we have as of NOW include Ridley Scotts comments, are that those beings on Planet 4 are Humanoids, they are connected to the Prometheus Engineers we cant be sure how CONNECTED they are as those Human looking Engineers are the Originals.  Which means a None-Original Engineer was Sacrificed, but this does not mean his Sacrifice was on Earth, his Sacrifice could have happened Anywhere, but its just how this CULTURE Seed Worlds... as RS said the Engineers are NOT a Race but a CIVILIZATION and just as there are many different versions of Man, why cant the same be said about the Engineers.

RS claims these Planet 4 Engineers, live for about 150 years and so they likely do AGE and Die, and we see they have Females and can Procreate (Bare Children) i wondered if the Sacrificial Route was to gain Females they had lost, but the losing ability to Procreate was the Original Idea, but this MAY no longer apply anymore, not if we take RS comments that those Planet 4 Engineers are the Originals.  But this depends if they are the Originals prior to the Sacrificial Engineer, or are the Originals only to those LV-223 Bio-Mechanical Suit wearing guys in the rest of Prometheus.

These beings Sacrifice themselves because its the way they choose to Seed there Genetics, and the Ritual is very important to them and cleans their SOUL (what this means is open to Debate).

The LV-223 Outpost and its Purpose is a subject i find is contradicting if we look at this place being a Bio-Weapon Facility from Day ONE with the Purpose of Created a Bio-Weapon to Evolve Life into Xenomorph Related Organisms.

We cant tell for 100% sure if those Planet 4 Engineers are aware of what this place was for, if this place had a different use many thousands of years ago.  However IF we take the Advent Signal Origins as sent when David was near Planet 4 then Planet 4 is very close to LV-223 especially as far as this Advanced Space Faring Race.  So they should have had a good idea of what the Place was, and maybe what it had become.

I think in terms of Earth, i think we cant be 100% sure those Planet 4 Engineers know about Earth/Mankind but its likely they did especially IF Planet 4 is not too far from LV-223.

If they or indeed those who planed our Destruction were aware of the Outbreak... i think its Logical to Assume that those Engineers saw the LV-223 Outpost and its Experiments as very Dangerous and after the Outbreak they had Abandoned this Place and its use... kinda like Mankind ONE-DAY abandoning all Nuclear Weapons..   I think we can then assume those Engineers Abandoned Earth and left Mankind to its own course as we would Corrupt ourselves and so they would Abandon us and leave us to ROT, and in their HUBRIS i think those Engineers felt that with NO Further Knowledge/Visits from their kind, then Mankind WOULD NEVER Evolve past the Technological Level Mankind was at Thousands of Years ago.

Regarding the Engineers on Planet 4 and where they came from, its likely they came form the Elders, those Hall of Heads but as far as WHO created them, this is a Mystery at the moment.  It appears odd that this is the ONLY World they inhabit....  Ridley Scott confirmed that Engineers come and go to this place (Planet 4) and they will return to discover the Destruction Left behind by David and NO-DOUBT will be not happy about it.

I think a few things are still open for Debate and maybe to be shown.

*Its unlikely Earth was the only World they invested time in to Evolve Humanoid Races.

*Its unlikely Planet 4 and LV-223 are the only Worlds/Outposts these Engineers have in the Universe let alone the Galaxy.

*Its open to explore HOW World that are Habitable came to be, and show some Technology/Force is responsible and then how does this connect to our Engineers.

*Its open to Explore another Race/Machine/Force that are the Creators of the Engineers.

Well...We shall see how serious Disney is. I expect them to monitor these Alien/Predator websites for copyright infringement ...same as Youtube...Probably take down a bunch of content.

40th Anniversary is coming...will they celebrate it...or will it pass with a whimper?

I never watched The Punisher, but hearing it has a second season tells me it is a streaming show. Perfect. We have several threads discussing franchises going this route instead of going all in for a rare theatrical experience. That is great to hear.

I wouldn't start getting your knickers in a twist, the WSJ article is entirely speculative and sadly for WSJ not very well researched.

I have said it before and I will say it again. If you want assurance that Disney will do right by the Alien and Predator franchises you need look you further than The Punisher, starring Jon Bernthal. The show, season 2 of which recently wrapped filming, is an R-rated realization of character that Marvel has struggled to translate to live action in the past. Despite being part of the MCU The Punisher is brutal and unrelenting, and much more violent and graphic than Prometheus and Alien: Covenant combined.

Stop worrying, Alien and Predator are in good hands. TBH they are probably in better hands now than they were at Fox. 

In an attempt to be optimistic, "family friendly" can be a broad term. Neither Avatar nor X-Men have ever been friendly to my family because we have some standards. Hopefully someone at Disney might give a chance. Since money talks, maybe the movies could still be made with lesser budgets. I would be OK with them even skipping theaters all together.

It appears that Mr.X from the upcoming RE2 remake is an Engineer elder in disguise.

@MrSage Good job on the soundtrack *thumbs up* 

Shit just got real.

I would love Legendary to get a hold of both the Alien and Predator franchises.

Stick a fork in it, its done. Sell the franchise to Universal.

ignorantGuy

I'm just saying that he had a choice - a very hard choice. The choice was to save himself or save humanity.

Another great topic, not even done reading all 80+ replies yet. Upvoted!

chli What are you talking about? What choice did Janek have? If he did not collide with that ship it would have reached Earth and wipe it out. Or do you expect somehow it would have been shut down (if that is even possible with human tech) in Earth's atmosphere and contaminate the air and waters? Probably humanity would have survived on colonies, but still.

Right, I understand what you are saying, and I assure you I am not about to sacrifice anything really( actually, if I was that poor guy brought by elders for action, who were so eager and encouraged him with nice words as let your body become dirt...I would turn around and say, you know what, practice what you preach, it is only fair, right? Go on and drink that nice stuff yourself first. I will follow you, perhaps, okay? )

but sacrifice still requires you to give something valuable up. Basically, Janek had no choice, really. Vickers didn't show anything actually. She didn't like what Janek was doing at her expense, that's it. I am sorry, I am not convinced. Free will and choice is a bit different notion to sacrifice, even though both are required for a voluntary self scrifice. The crucial point is the payback. If the payback is not evident at all then it is a sacrifice. In any ither case I maintain it is not.

BioDegradable

To live and survive is part of our nature. To give that up requires a lot - and you shouldn't give that up. You should use it to strive for something-something good. Janek had an option as did Miss Vickers, call it free will if you like. We all make our choices.

a sacrifice would be what David did to Charlie. Even though the latter never gave his consensus. He kind of did though in the eyes of David, when he said that he would do anything and everything. Well, David was just being fair: he only gave Charlie what he was ready to dish out to others, lol.

chli,

Janek traded his life for lives of his close ones on Earth. That is not a hard sacrifice. It is not a sacrifice in my mind at all. Besides he did what two other volunteered to do anyway. A sacrifice is something you would rather not do, only perhaps if you had some misfortune and felt perhaps compelled to. Janek traded his life for a definite outcome. It is the same thing if you take a calculated risk to get a bigger benefit. Janek obviously valued lives of some people back on Earth more than his. Recall his self musing song: if you can't be with the one you love, love the one ....I presume his true love interest is left back at home, and he gave his life to save her/him(?!). Even though he was okay to have a quick intense "practice" with Vickers(who wouldn't though) :)