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1) I think what happened to the Space Jockey should be left mostly alone. I think what happened should not be explained literally, but should be explainable by the viewer who would be able to "connect-the-dots".
2) I would like it to be an Engineer from the Prometheus operations because to help explain this Space Jockey mystery, we would also get some more info on the culture of the Engineers. I really think the Engineers need to be explained more in the movies. I might have to get some comic books, though, because they may not delve to much deeper with the Engineers in the movies.
3) I think they will end up using the idea that an Engineer is in the chair of the derelict. I don't think any human could fit in the Space Jockey suit, but writers can write!
Honestly, when considering Alien: Awakening as a WHOLE... I keep saying this and I'm going to say it again...
I think we are in for a big surprise!!!!
Paglan/Green worked on Prometheus Pandemonium and Scott was not happy with what they came up with and went on to do the Martian instead. Both of them bombed with their movies at the time. However Green wrote BR2049.
John Logan was the one that wrote the retread A L I E N screenplay with an incoming bunch of guys who all get killed. You correctly recognise that is flogging a dead horse (or is that Ox) whereas the internet is jammed with people who say the crew are dumb and should be more careful and prepared. They are no dumber than A or A's its just everyone KNOWS whats coming the audience is in front of the protagonists whereas the threat was novel in 1978 and 1986. Thats another way of saying "the beast is cooked'. oh thats right Ridley said that in 2014.
BigDave I think that a have a pretty clear picture of what happened there and is still pretty much meaningless. And did/do we really need another human ship arrives and gets infected movie? And then, who are the people who die to be "Spoon Fed the Space Jockey Questions"?
"While in Covenant, Shaw's death was horrible and meaningless,"
I would say there is a lot that went on and into this death, a whole process of what lead up to it... That Alien Covenant just brushed aside and gave us a After-Math of what ever happened... with just a few clues to what may have happened.... I think a number of people would have liked to have seen how David and Dr Shaw got from the Crossing to the point where things went Wrong for Her... and then leading to what happened with Her.
Instead we are just left with her Body, and Clues that paint us a picture, i guess pretty much how Prometheus painted a picture to a degree regarding the past on LV-223.
In Alien Covenant Dr Shaw became a Prop that was used as a Plot Device and indeed, there is a whole Story behind how we arrived at the point Dr Shaw took her last breath.... One that its a Shame we never got to explore in a Novel.
So it was a bit of a Wasted Potential but maybe a Necessity with the Plot Change where they have to Shoe-horn in Humans Arriving via a Colony Ship and taking a detour to Planet 4.... A movie that would have covered some of what happened via Flash Backs and a Movie that would have gave more time with the Xenomorph would have required a extra hour worth of Screen Time.
I dont think we will EVER know what exactly happened on Planet 4 after those Engineers were all nearly killed off with Davids Bombardment. We have the Virals and Comments by David to allow us to try and figure out what happened. But this can only allow us to attempt nothing more than a few theories.
So the LV-223 Murals and Dead Engineers, and Dr Shaw are maybe now our NEW Mystery as we get Spoon Fed the Space Jockey Questions.
BigDave I said once, but I'll repeat myself. The only movies with movies within the franchise which does not have a happy ending is Cubed and Covenant. Yes you could argue that Ripley ultimately dies but Weaver asked for it (but money was good and she did one more after it) and her death that has a meaning. While in Covenant, Shaw's death was horrible and meaningless, being killed for being kind (?) and Rapace was not even asked for her opinion. No one asked for a happy-ending. And should I be worried about Daniels? well I don't because none of them are important.
Not answearing jack s**t was a big cope out and I find Fasser's performances to be aping too much things from the past (Peter O'Toole in Prom and Holm and Hopkins in Covenant) to be that impressive.
And sorry but if Green (Lantern) and Paglen (the Transcendental One) were involved with that I'd rather not know anything about it. What did they do to recommend them?
@ BigDave
There was huge potential in Shaw and David travelling to Paradise. Look no further than K's & Joi's (with her multiple projections) journey through the brilliant realised Earth of 2049.
It would have been like K's journey for truth the source of the Engineers power. A movie rich in the symbolism of Prometheus LV 223 but on the homeworld where Shaw and David discover the cult of an Engineered creation where the Engineers have rebelled against the Anounki who return in the third act would have been huge. Built on big enigmatic questions but delivered by the incredibly complex and layered relationship of Shaw/David.
This after all is science fiction we could have had mediated Engineer projections building on the Orrery scene showing us the history of how Paradise was lost and both David and Shaw caught in their creation needs.
Whether the popcorn munchers who want cracking bones and blood everywhere would have turned up who knows. The trick like "Discovery" is to make something where people say "I am not really an Alien fan but I really enjoyed this".
I think Alien Covenant does set up a quite predictable path, Ridley Scott in interviews had Confirmed David as the Creator... which (Provided they stick to the same idea) means that as of the year 2104 there is NO Xenomorph Eggs on the Derelict, and potentially NO Derelict on LV-426. Ridley Scott suggesting that David does go to the Planet (we can assume Origae-6) means he wont arrive until 2112, which would leave 10 years to Shoe-horn in the Eggs Getting on a Engineer Ship.... unless David goes to LV-426 instead of Origae-6 but why?
So at this point.... it appears to set up Returning Engineers and thus likely this provides the Source of the Derelict or a event that takes them to LV-223 to source the Derelict.
Its case then of Oversight for Atheistic Differences or would they be Addressed.
*The Proto-Xenomorph... do these Beasts Get Evolved to become more Bio-Mechanical? Or is this a Oversight and are supposed to be the same thing with NO further modifications.
*The Space Jockey Size... is this going to be overlooked, or are they going to make it a Oversight were we have to accept the Space Jockey is one of out 7-8ft Engineers, or a 6ft Human or Synthetic.
So indeed i can see the Concerns... and you almost have to wonder are we going to be Spoon Fed that Synthetic Material is the Final Piece of the Bio-Mechanical Puzzle..... i would say its looking this way. But could they go further by revealing a Synthetic or David ends up in the Space Jockey Chair? I feel this would be something that would Further Alienate Fans from the Franchise (Pun intended)
THE PROBLEM....
Keeping it a Mystery as in DONT touch the Subject/Event could be tricky now, unless they give us a U-Turn that DAVID just created his OWN New Version of the Xenomorph.
Going this Route... would maybe have us asking or need answering the Question.... so the Company are Aware of Davids Creation, the Engineers are on route.... so WHY does the Company not Pursue or be able to obtain Davids RE-CREATION in the Franchise.. leaving them only to explore the Ancient Derelict and Original Xenomorphs.
Even if this is Explored.... so Davids Experiments and Xenomorphs and LV-223 are all Eradicated..... leaving ONLY the Ancient Derelict.
Some Fans are still going to want to KNOW what happened to the Space Jockey even if they go the route that David does-not create the Xenomorphs in ALIEN.
"I don't want to know what he ate for breakfast (at Tiffany's or anyplace else)."
I think thats where the Answer Lies however ;)
I think the whole Dr Shaw Experiments Plot... was something that maybe would have been the eventual path for her... NO ONE should have a Happy Ending in the Franchise... and so there was Potential here to explore the Hopes she had, and see them just transpire into HELL as she finds out the TRUTH is far from what she had envisioned and worse than even her worst Nightmare.
Questions could be asked about WHERE could the Sequel had gone instead..... But how much of a Movie can you devote to a Dynamic between Dr Shaw and David during the journey to Paradise... and then the Big Question is what happened when they arrived.
Ridley Scott informs us that THEY was off to the Planet of the Engineers. The reveal would have been that the beings they DISCOVER are not Gods, and they are not BENEVOLENT and so this sets us up to ask HOW LONG can a Dr Shaw and David Survive when Faced with a Race who are not Benevolent towards us.
The set up of the Sequel would have also been to Discover Dr Shaws Questions...
WHY was we created... WHY then was we intended to be Destroyed
WHY did they visit us and invest in us, only to THEN create a Place to Create a Horrific Weapon to Eradicate us.
WHO Created the Engineers... as Dr Shaw could not accept the Engineers as being our Creators and that there has to be more above them as HER God would not Harm Humanity.
So the Set Up was there to explore these things and reveal to Dr Shaw that her Faith is SO WRONG and that these Engineers or their Agenda could be something very Wicked.... Can you imagine the Impact this would have on Dr Shaw?
The Set Up was also about exploring the Engineers more, their History and Purpose, maybe WHY and WHAT purpose had LV-223 been for, Ridley Scott hinting our Engineers are not the Top of the Ladder of Creation and that he DID-NOT wish to meet GOD in the First Movie.
The other thing was indeed the Philisophical Themes at Play, Creation, Sub-Creation, Rebelion, Punishment and Hubris and it would have been likely these would have continued and that indeed DAVID would have been a part of this ARC and its likely the David wishing to Create for himself Plot would have been something Followed anyway.
We have to Remember another BIG Plot Reveal was that David was BRINGING HELL with him, and what happens if the Goo infects GOD or a MACHINE so at some point it was likely we would see David unleash the Black Goo on Engineers and Witness the Results.
But complaints about Prometheus, and what appeared to be disappointment with the Characters and Engineers with only DAVID standing out from the Crowd.... and Fans Wanting Literal Xenomorph Answers and the Answers to the Space Jockey and more Xenomorphs had led to FOX to figure that any would be Plot may be something that would not appeal to Fans and so they would concentrate on David and showcasing a Literal Xenomorph Origins.
I think a lot of the Back Bone for Alien Covenant would have been similar in the Original Prometheus 2 ideas... But deciding to give us the Xenomorph Origins in context of a Literal Event that Proceeded Prometheus had meant for many of the Changes that gave us Alien Covenant....
Where some of the Stuff that could have happened, has been brushed under the Carpet, and given us a AFTER-MATH kind of Movie.
It would be interesting to see what Ideas/Plans were in Place before the U-Turn Literal Prequel route Penned by Harper and Logan
The Prometheus Sequel i was working on, had that Peter Weyland had a Aging/Dying Brother and a Nephew and that Peter was concerned for how they would run/ruin all of his work...
So it revealed that Vickers was alive and she interrupted a Board Meeting where the Weyland Board were about to establish/transfer the CEO positions after a Period of No Reply from Weyland and the Prometheus Mission...
Vickers Turns up with Weyland Will/Testament leaving Weylands Stake to her and as Majority Share Holder, she could Compulsory Purchase her Uncles Small Share.. Weylands Nephew was not pleased with this... as he would have inherited the company in a few years.... So he sets up a deal with Yutani to Assassinate Vickers with some Geisha Android Assassins.. As part of the deal some of the assets at Weyland would be given/sold to Yutani.
Vickers Fights off the Synthetic Assassins but gets Cut and she bleeds White Milk... she is revealed to be a Synthetic and THUS can-not inherit the Company.
But She manages to activate Weylands Project Rook... which is a AI program that uploads Weylands Soul into the Companies Computer Systems.
So indeed there is NO reason why relatives could inherit the stakes of the Company.
I wonder if this is a continuing trend to Re-Write Alien Lore after the aftermath of Alien Covenant? I just hope they dont meddle too much with it. But i guess Alien Covenant opens it up to Open Season!
Alien 3 is one that has grown on me over the years. Initially I did not enjoy it, but I was probably 12 or 13 when I first saw it. Still beats the hell out of Resurrection!
@Michelle Johnston " Shaw's death after so much investment was the equivalent of Ripley's death en route not Newt or Hicks." I think it is worse, as Shaw was experimented upon ("raped") for got knows how much, probably still alive. So the comparrison would have been more accurate that Hicks raped and killed Ripley between movies and went on a killing spree on the inmates.
Ha ha. I am something of an obsessive hobbyist where I have to "put right" errors of judgement, its a kind of grieving process and a coming to terms with artistic failure. I watched Prometheus several weeks ago and it simply made me thing Covenant is the wrong version of what happened. In terms of narrative momentum character development the follow through made no sense. Alien 3 Assembly Cut which focuses on the same protagonist, her relationship with Clemens and the fact that she is the "Alien" in the prison has that crucial character development and she feels the loss of Newt in a very real way whereas Davids view of Shaw is a lot of half arsed contradictory nonsense that only makes sense if he is a mad robot, hardly the stuff you can focus a movie on or leave Prometheus followers with their answers. Shaw's death after so much investment was the equivalent of Ripley's death en route not Newt or Hicks.
although I do agree that the bishop in alien3 was a synthetic, it doesn't need a direct sibling to inherit PW's stake in the company. a cousin or aunt/uncle could have taken over. we would need more details on the Weyland family tree to be sure
where the space jockey is concerned...
id either leave it a mystery now or keep it an engineer as suggested heavily in Prometheus. I wouldn't mind another species being revealed as the SJ but David? nah not for me. the derelict scene, as stated by RS himself, IS the alien movie. its meant to be of alien origin so lets keep it that way.
as for 3)....
hate hate hate hate hate just HATE the idea of David being responsible for the derelict. but it seems this is how its gna pan out so just have him sneak a hugger on the ship and be done with it already.
The Quadrilogy as a whole is solid imo. Aliens and AR are popcorn flicks but still valid. A3 was definitely a grower for me and seems to get better with age.
This is great Lawrence of Arabia.
"DC: The Cold Forge reveals Facehuggers don’t actually implant an embryo but inject a black goo-like substance instead that rewrites DNA. Did you receive any pushback about making this change to their life cycle?
AW: Nope! It’s 100% in keeping with Alien: Covenant and you never actually see a larval injection onscreen. In fact, 20th Century Fox requested ZERO changes to the manuscript and sent a page full of compliments, which is probably a first!"
You're correct Legendary Xenomorph.
"Sir Peter Weyland's only legitimate child."
Weyland-Yutani Report, page 46.
The report has some holes in it regarding reconciling to film canon events but the background details on the characters are very interesting.
@Michelle Johnston ... I still find it funny that a dead character is the most talked about even after one year from the movies release.
Good points BigDave.
I thought Alien 3 was pretty good in the theaters and the Assembly Cut changes in 2003 were for the better due to the reconciliation to the novel.
Aliens has regressed a bit from it's release to a Popcorn Flick, and in my opinion Alien vs. Predator has been upgraded from Popcorn Flick since it's release large in part to Michael Weyland and the pyramid under the ice. I guess that's why, later, Weyland Industries built Space Traffic Control in Antarctica.
Great topic Lawrence of Arabia. The film certainly deserves to be celebrated on the anniversary. Show me another film that has the Yutani Commandos...
1) and 2) for me the reveal from Prometheus is more than enough. I don't to know exactly who it really was. I don't want to know what he ate for breakfast (at Tiffany's or anyplace else).
3) How everything is set in place, I would bet on David himself (He swapt bodies with Walter who is partly organic and thus can be infected).
I too think they needed more Clues to ALIEN... i think a bit of ambiguity would still have been great though. Prometheus to me showed that these Engineers had at some-point began messing about with those Experiments to either Create Xenomorph like Monsters, or they had Experimented on a Related Xenomorph Monster... and using the Creation Tools to this END proved a Massive Hubris.
Something Evolved from these Experiments, and either the Space Jockey had attempted to take these Evolved Experiments to some place but only got as far as neighboring LV-426 OR while a Engineer was in Cryo-sleep and awoken long before the Engineer in Prometheus, to set off with his Mission only his CARGO had Evolved. OR likewise but something Evolved from his Cargo and this lead to the Creation of the Eggs.
The event was connected to LV-223, Prometheus had clues but they was just too ambiguous... i feel we never had to SEE or Visit the Derelict in the Prequels... but there should have been more Clues to the Connection. It would have required a Encounter with TWO Horrors more directly.... Sadly all we had was Zombie Fifield... when we should have had a more Xeno DNA Fifield. We could have done with seeing like a Neomorph Mouth Burster from Milburn and also seen one of the Hammerpedes get killed and reveal it had Tiny Eggs like the Xenomorphs.
More Time should have been spent on the Mural/Fresco with some Dialect to drop more clues... and some Dialect should have been mentioned as well as a Close Up Shot of the Chest Busted Cryo-Pods.
These are all things i was putting into my Re-write of Prometheus i abandoned years ago.
In answer to your question not quite.
The idea for the Prometheus run was "A search for our creators".
I will come back to that in a second.
In searching for our creators, or landing on one of the moons in the Solar System, identified in the hieroglyphs, the first story should have offered a coherent and easily understandable explanation for how the Space Jockey and the Derelict ended up where it did with its cargo. It should not have been THE story but part of the narrative. I will not burden my reply with a plausible example of how it could have been done and deal with certain continuity issues (Beacon/426/No airfield in ALIEN) but it could have been done and some of the answers to those issues would have been part of the twists and turns.
By the end of the first film we know the Xenomorph is a bi product of the Engineers steeling the fire and wrecked havoc on them.
David the A I and Shaw the toughened up darker believer now set off for their creators.
The wider audience was confused by Prometheus relationship with A L I E N that should have been avoided.
The mural should clearly have shown the myth of the Xenomorphs origins. The head in the alter should have been a referenced to the Xenomorph sacrifice which like the Engineer at the outset the Xeno distils all that it is into the black goo which becomes the corrupted Ebola like Alien Mutagen. Fifield should have been tied to the Xeno and the derelict site should have been visited right at the end (David reveals his knowledge of the Beacon which he kept hidden from the Prometheus crew and fouled the sensors) by a knowing Shaw who understands the meaning of the Eggs, replacing the Engineer survives and gets raped story. Remember the Deacon was merely a riff much better would have been for Shaw to go to the real thing than riff it.
The ending would have been a one two punch. Actually go inside the derelict make it clear it comes from the airfield and then set off for Paradise and these aggressive f...... as Ridley calls them. Give people the send off and let them leave wanting to know about this expanded universe.
Ha ha.... maybe a bit Thoughts_Dreams
Your points again are SPOT ON our Engineers were Mysterious, Enigmatic but not quite as ALIEN as the Space Jockey the Plot was BOLD in that these beings were our GODs but they are not Gods... and that in effect Weyland and Humanity are just as Godlike, well we created a more Perfect Being in David and with Engineers Technology and Knowledge maybe WE could be the GODS now..
It was interesting.... but those Engineers still had something about them, where they clearly looked far more advanced and more powerful than Humans...
In Alien Covenant our Engineers were just presented to us as only a more Ancient Humanoid Species... Ridley Scott even saying these guys on Planet 4 are the Original Engineers and they live for 150 years and so these revelations and the lack of Technology on Planet 4 just made these Engineers nothing more than another Humanoid Species. they lost that Mystical Appearance that those in Prometheus had..
And then to simply Brush the Engineers under the Carpet, making them Helpless against David and their Bio-Weapons, had just reduced the Engineers as far as Credibility as Would be GOD's just as much as the AVP Franchise movies Reduce our Xenomorph from the Iconic Alien Nightmare...
So its going to be hard to introduce the Engineers back as anything really Special, the Xenomorph too... So a Logical Route would be to introduce another Species that fit the scale of the Space Jockey more.
And make these Guys, Bad-ass and Wicked and something to be FEARED
I think the Space Jockey should be introduced as a Space Suit, but have a Bi-Pedal Humanoid inside.... one that does not have to be too similar to a Human, it could Human looking like the Engineers, it could be something more Alien looking or something in between.
But i feel they need to introduce another RACE a race that can capture the Allure and Enigmatic look of the Original Space Jockey Scene.
Its certainly a movie that grows on you a little each time you see it over the years.... when i first saw it i felt it was a Disappointment... it was just not to the level of ALIENS.... but alas when your younger you do have that Popcorn Flick Phase... When you hit your 30's and then 40's you start to appreciate other things more than just Action.
So just as Alien 3 has grown on me over the years.... Aliens has become more and more reduced to a Popcorn Flick
This is a tough one....
Pros..... Not Many Really... The Predators looked Decent but this is something that is not very hard to do as its not much of a Man in a suit but more a Man in a Mask, so the LV-223 Engineers in Prometheus were harder to make. This however is a benefit to the Predators as when Masked its hard to mess these guys up.
The Pred-Alien was interesting and also a good concept.
The Xenomorphs in some shots they did the job fine... you could tell the Quality was not as good as AVP and other Alien Franchise though... but in some shots they had the lower budget man in a suit look to them where they did come across a bit more of a Pumpkin Head with a Xenomorph Head look to them. This was only as far as the Men-In-Suits Action scenes.
Action Scenes were ok for a Basic Popcorn Action.
Special Effects were ok but not up to the Standard at times you would expect from a Franchise that encompasses TWO iconic Franchises.
The CONS.... Basically Everything else.
The Plot was not so good... but this was also a sequel to the Flawed First Movie Plot.. (being set in the 21st Century)
The Execution was rather poor with sub standard Acting and Writing... This movie LOOKED and was Written/Acted like a Lowe Budget Straight to Cable Flick.... the Sharknados, Alien Hunter and the like... so those made by SyFy Network HERE
In fact a number of them were Better... so AVPR looked like a SyFy Network attempt at a AVP... where Budget for Effects was increased but sadly the Acting/Plot and Writing was at Sharknado levels lol
AVPR for me was a 3.5/10 Movie. (Disappointing)
It gets better than a 3 from me just only because it does have a few redeemable Qualities and ideas. I do think maybe 3.5/10 is also at times a bit generous.
AVP in comparison gets a 5/10 (Average)
she was pretty hot. I do agree the predator looked good tho, the one negative for me on wolf was the proportions. now I get the predator who does clean up duty such as this isn't ur normal hunter. hes gotta be an older seasoned bad ass whos probably don't clean up several times. I just thought the design was a touch off. when u see him close up hes a bad looking dude but when the camera is farther away u see a huge head and tiny waist which for me, just didn't look as good as it could have. it looked too much like a baseball on a cocktail stick for me and out of proportion. his equipment and the rest of his design was spot on for me but id have preferred him to have been stockier but im just nit picking.
ali81 I appreciate your brevity but I stand by my original assessment.
However, your assessment is valid imo.
pros.. hahahahhahahaha aye ok, good one
cons.. everything between opening sequence to end credits
It looks like a deliciously bad movie worthy of the MST3K treatment.
Good call, dk! There's a walnut necklace in the film.
Message from Space? 1978
Here is an obscure reference I found:
Walnuts in Space
I grew up in the San Fernando Valley/Canoga Park area of Los Angeles in the late 70's early 80's. This was not the most glamourous of neighborhoods. For example, one of the area's landmarks was a decaying movie house that showed double-features of second-run films for only .49¢. I recall seeing lots of different movies there during my childhood (Saturday Night Fever, Hair, and Ragtime all come to mind). But the movie I most fondly remember seeing there was some sort of post-Star Wars rip off I saw with my father that somehow involved glowing walnuts. Yes, glowing walnuts.
At first I was bored out of my mind. I may have even dozed off. But then characters in the film started discovering glowing walnuts (apparently sent from space) in their beverages and elsewhere and these discoveries seemed to signify something important to those who found them (I don't remember what). It was at this point in the film that the audience began laughing — timidly at first, but eventually quite uproariously. When it was over, my father kept saying that he really couldn't tell if the movie was supposed to be a comedy, but that it was one of the funniest movies he had seen in a very long time.
Over the ensuing years, my father would bring up the "walnut movie" from time to time; but neither of us had any idea what it was called. And when we asked people about it, no one knew what we were talking about.
Enter Google.
I started thinking about the movie yesterday. It's just one of those things that crosses my mind on occasion. So I typed "70's sci fi movie walnuts" into Google. and lo and behold, the results gave me exactly what I was looking for. After 25 years, I now know what that crazy walnut movie was! It was a 1978 Japanese production called Uchu kara no messeji that was released in the U.S. as Message from Space. Here are all the details from IMDB. It hasn't been officially released on DVD, but it looks like there are some DVD-R copies floating around on Ebay. I'll see if I can get a winning bid. I'm sure the movie is horrible. But if there was ever an opportunity to regain — even for just one brief moment — that lightening in a bottle that was my childhood, this must be it!
"RS has produced a lot of films, but to quote Walter “ When one note is off it eventually destroys the whole symphony”. If I was to put my finger on something, it is like detecting within both Prometheus and AC that there is a note off. It is like sensing that there is something just not quite right and that RS is taking a gamble on something. Whether this gamble pays off is why I would be compelled to watch a third movie if there is one. RS has certainly decided he would prefer a new direction in which to take things, but I just feel that the element of not having some sort of end game plan that a wide audience can grasp is a problem."
So well put Batchpool and I couldn't agree more!
All these years I've been hoping for an Alien movie that could surpass ALIEN, or at least equal it's hold on me. Everything about it felt believable. The characters, the setting, Bolaji in his Alien suit, (at the time it absolutely scared the s***t out of me!) Fast forward to 2012 & the return of Ridley. Did I expect too much? Probably. Was I disappointed? Certainly not, I was totally surprised by Prometheus and I am grateful it was made.
What is off kilter in A:C, is how the characters come across. Much of the dialogue felt forced and contrived. As if a few people sat down together and discussed which scenes and lines of dialogue from ALIEN and ALIENS, they could rehash and trope, thinking that would be cool enough to satisfy who exactly?
The end result was pretty annoying and resulted in characters who were phoney and under defined. Even Daniels was weak. Ricks and Upworth, why the hell were they even included? It's all very well choosing young, upcoming or seen to be "cool" actors for your movie, unless you give them a solid base to work from, they are set up to fail.
There's no question that Michael Fassbender carries the movie. His dual performance, is light years ahead of other cast members. If a few characters had been strong enough to provide a balance to the David-Walter dynamic....well....
I was hugely disappointed in the [un]finished Alien we got at the finale. I really believed we were in for a treat. A modern day, definitive Giger Alien that would be so awesome, we'd have a lump in our throats, regarding it's realism and beauty. If anyone was going to nail it, it would be Ridley, especially given that he was the only director who worked directly with H.R. Alas, all those resources, yet you totally failed there Ridley!
If a third sequel/prequel ever gets green lit, I'll see it. I would always queue for a Sci-fi movie directed by Ridley Scott. Even badly written characters, a weak storyline and disappointing CGI, wouldn't put me off, because there is always something special therein!
Harry Potter meets Alien: Covenant
There were several good scenes but I haven't watched it in a while. Ripley's first encounter with Dillon is memorable- "I must make you pretty nervous". Another one was Dillon's speech about not dying on his knees.
Forgot what a powerful scene it was:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGHbzLP1RA4
