WHERE TO GO NEXT?

Yeah, I also think the prequels are dead. That timeline just doesn't support enough xeno versus marines action.

 "i FEAR that the Prequels will NOT be Classed as Canon in 10 Years Time."

Yup. I think they will just be ignored. besides It was RS's idea to explore the backstory..... and i can guarantee you the majority of the fanbase just wanted an ALIENS type movie. IF we were shown some xenomorph action in 'Prometheus'....I don't think we'd be having this conversation. David and Shaw fleeing the xeno infestation on LV-223 would have led to many prequels (IMHO ).

Shaw "David we need off this moon!!"

David,  shooting another xeno "perhaps we locate another functioning spacecraft? There is another tomb not far from here"

Shaw "God I hate tombs!"

Shaw and David make for a tomb....

Indeed...

In Hindsight then YES the First Prequel did-not have enough ALIENY like Action, it was also NOT a Spoon Fed Literal Prequel.

With Prometheus we got to see the Engineers and ONE of them did some KILLING of our Human Characters..... but as FAR as anything more ALIEN.... well we had the Following.

1) Hammerpedes: We saw TWO of them and ONE had Attacked Milburn, but there was NOT a lot to this.... all we could Conclude is their was a Slight Similarity with a Face Hugger and we saw ACID BLOOD.

2) Zombie Fifield: We saw Fifield become Infected with the Black Goo and become some kind of Toxic Avenger Mutant Zombie.  And it was FIFIELD who had done MOST of the KILLING.... he also did-not have much of a Connection to the Xenomorph.

3) Dr Shaws Trilobite:  With Dr Shaw infected via Holloway we got to see her become Pregnant with a None-Human Fetus..... the Trilobite was some kind of Hybrid of a Face Hugger/Human.  We could see its Connection to the Face Hugger by HOW it had Infected the Engineer.

4) The Deacon:  The result of Dr Shaws Child (The Trilobite) Infecting the Engineer to Result in a Chest Burster Organism.... the Deacon.  We could make some Connection with the Xenomorph but again it was NOT too Close to the Xenomorph.

So from these Alien Monsters.... there was NO Real Pay Off with the Hammerpede, and while we saw ONE with the Trilobite we Never got to see NOTHING of the Deacon, it would have been like ALIEN just Ending after Kanes Chest Buster Scene.

There was NO kind of Action Scene apart from the Fifield Attack.

About the ONLY thing that Fans took as some Connection to ALIEN was the Mural as MANY had seen this as the Xenomorph (but it was a Deacon).

The Alien Engineers Draft had more Action and more ALIENS.... we Encountered and saw a Hammerpede (more like Centipede than a Snake) and we saw Three Kinds of Face Hugger, we saw FOUR Kinds of Xenomorph like Organisms (inc TWO that we see Chest Burst),  Fifield was more a Xeno/Human Hybrid with ACID BLOOD and so there was MORE Action and ALIENS.

What Prometheus had Needed was a Balance.....

I had Re-wrote Parts of Prometheus and some of the Changes Came to the Monsters.

1) Fifield had Mutated into something we could see more of a Xenomorph Connection too and had some Acid Blood. (Just as in Alien Engineers). And he also does-not KILL as many People.

2) The Hammerpede that Jumps from the Mouth of Milburn would go to try and Attack Ford but Janek would manager to Prise it away and then it gets Shot.... we see Acid Blood but then as we ZOOM in we see inside of it are TINY like Eggs.

3) Upon the Return to the Outpost with Mr Weyland and Company we have TWO more Security Personnel they Stay in the Big Head Room, and they Notice that Milburns Body begins to Move... they go Closer and we see Milburn then Chest Burst some Hybrid Organism (I envisioned like the Unused Prometheus Variant and so CLOSE to the Neomorph).

This goes to Attack on of the Security the Other in a Panic Shoots at it but it Hits the Security Guy being Attacked.  The other Panics and Flees Off.

We then CUT to the Engineer Scene..... when David Talks to him and gets his Head Ripped Off.....

4) As we see Dr Shaw running away and then where she gets to the Outside she Catches up with the Security Guard and they Hear a Screech...... as the Security Guard Turns around we see the Milburn Chest Buster it is Larger Now.. he Fires a Few Shots at it... they Miss...... he Turns to Dr Shaw and Tells her to RUN...  she Jumps the Opening Hanger Door to then be able to RUN ALONG the Surface (She is Joined by Vickers as per Prometheus).

The Security Guard then attempts to Jump and he Barely Catches the Platform/Door of the Hanger.... but the Milburn Burster then Jumps and Climbs over the Guard, it looks Down to him and we see a Inner Mouth Appear and it Punctures the Guards Head, he then Falls into the Abyss of the Hanger.

We then cut to Vickers and Dr Shaw running and the Juggernaught Falling from the SKY..... Vickers is then Sprung on by the Milburn Burster and it Attacks her and she is on her Back Trying to Fend it Off.... then she sees the Juggernaught and Screams.... the Juggernaught then CRUSHES both of them.

What THESE Changes had done is make more of a Connection to Fifield/Black Goo and Organisms related to the Deacon..... it gives a Pay Off to the Hammerpede making it a Face Hugger or Sorts.   The Milburn Chest Burster is in Part Responsible for the Death of THREE.

We get to see more ALIENY Action but its NOT a Overload... by looking at the Monsters we can make more of a Connection to ALIEN and the Xenomorph.

But ALAS.....

The Mistake they Made in Hindsight after Prometheus was as i had Mentioned, they should have GONE back to LV-223 with a more ALIENY Movie that could IN PART then Close the Door to ALIEN and then it allows a 3rd Prequel to then go to WHERE we have David and Dr Shaw go and they would NOT be Shackled Down to Connect to ALIEN.

"...Milburn Chest Burst "

That would have been awesome! And more like an Alien movie. A pity for sure.

 Seriously...Ridley had the keys to the kingdom once again! 

Could have a least established some egg morphing ideas. 

I do think that Eventually we would have seen Xenomorphs had Ridley Scott got to make any Sequels..... he made some INTERESTING Comments about the Xenomorph.

*He Felt that you had to Evolve the Xenomorph.

*He Felt you could look at other ways of Procreation.

*He said that we have NOT YET reached the Bio-Mechanical Fiend that we see in ALIEN.

I think RS would have Explored the Egg Morph.

Regarding the more ALIENY Elements i had added to a Edit (which i Lost) of Prometheus.... well i have said MISTAKE 2 was to NOT have a Sequel which goes to LV-223.

We have a BIT of a Problem Now.... and i think MISTAKE 3 would be to GO where David is going...  So YES i think IF they had to make a Sequel then it would be BEST to go to Planet 4......UNLESS..... we have David take the Covenant to LV-223.

Right now, I consider the prequels rather pointless. I watched Alien the other day and not for one second did I think the Space Jockey was an Engineer. I'd rather the Engineers are shown to be false prophets or something.....A parasitic race that steals and deceives.

So a return to Lv-223 is my final answer. 

The Space Jockey was a Enigma for Certain.............. there are a FEW things that make it Appear to NOT be a Engineer.... but we are Supposed to Accept that it WAS, but WHO KNOWS as to WHAT/WHO the Space Jockey would have been Revealed as had Ridley Scott got to Conclude the Prequels?

Wayne Haagg who had Worked on a LOT of the Engineers Aesthetic/Concepts for Alien Covenant had said that he FELT the Engineers Technology was something they had STOLEN or Reverse Engineered, it seemed that he FELT the Derelict etc was NOT something the Engineers had Created/Engineered.

With Prometheus out the way, we had RS say that he DID-NOT want to MEET GOD in the First Movie and he Indicated the Engineers we saw are NOT the TOP of the Creation Layer Cake................ even just Prior to Announcement of Alien Covenant we had RS mention that IF the Engineers are the Forerunners of Mankind, then WHO had MADE it so that Worlds could Support Life/Biology... he ASKED.... where is the Big Guy?

So it seemed that RS had Pondered that their is Someone/Something or some Race that is ABOVE the Engineers...... this is Something that maybe could have been Explored....

IF so then i think the Themes should still PLAY a Role.... and so a Revelation that the Engineers were a Sub-Created Species for some Specific Reason who had Rebelled and maybe even Overthrown their Creators could WORK.

So you could have Explored the Space Jockey as ANOTHER RACE

I like the SJ as a mutated / genetically altered Engineer. Their version of a super soldier. The Engineers are playing God with everything they touch..

BUT...Who are they fighting? Why would they need super soldiers...are they fighting the monstrosities they created.... or just each other...in a galaxy spanning faction war?

So I'm not sure another race is required. And without Giger I'm not confident on the art direction.

 I don't think the World building of Alien is complete enough to support multiple alien races. With Star Trek and Star Wars it's no problem...introduce a new one every novel, comic, movie. The Alien universe seems isolated..... we are alone....and I think this is better.

"All other life in the galaxy has died off and it's our turn" More cosmic horror angle then a bump in the road.

Well the major difference between the Alienverse/Predatorverse from Star Wars and Star Trek. 

Humanity barely explored a fraction of their galaxy while Star Wars and Star Trek the entire galaxy is pretty much colonized and explored compared to ALIEN.

Its arrogant to assume that all of the other alien species are all dead

I have to agree with you Xenotaris......

The Engineers Plot does indicate they have been to other GALAXIES and so you could EXPLORE them and NOT have to Conflict with ALIEN at all.

The Tricky Situation with Exploring the Space Jockey would be that WHEN and HOW you Explore as to WHO they ARE.... its then WHERE they are FROM.  We could have ASSUMED that the Space Jockey was VERY FAR from HOME.

WHERE are the REST of them?  And so you could have Wondered as too...

*Are they all Gone/Dead?  Died Out some MANY Thousands of Years Ago?

*Do they come from a FAR FAR away Place and they do Remain but they are like 10'000, 20'000, 30'000 LY away..... or in another Galaxy?

But with the Engineers Plot and Especially after Alien Covenant we see the Engineers had been Located like ON OUR DOORSTEP..... but this does-not mean that there are NO other Engineers and Worlds within our Galaxy, they just could be Very FAR Away.... maybe even in another Galaxy.

You could do a Spin Off and Visit some of these Places... and this does-not mean you CANT have Humans... as who is to say that Thousands of Years ago that the Earth is the ONLY such Place to have Humans or that we CAME from Earth?

"Their version of a super soldier"

Well this is WHAT i think the Prometheus Engineers are Compared to the Planet 4 Engineers.... they are like a Cross Between Universal Solider meets Blade Runner...... a Genetically Enhanced Version of their Species.

When looking at the OT its to Answer as to WHERE do you GO NEXT as far as IF we are to Continue after Alien Covenant.

The Engineers Plot becomes Problematic and Especially having Planet being Located so CLOSE (likely to be within 50LY)

IF they had Planet 4 as being MUCH FURTHER AWAY then we would NOT have to Worry as much about CONFLICTS with the Franchise.  In the IMAGE above i have Placed 6 Areas of where the Engineers are/where Located (One being CLOSE to Earth) and there are 22 Worlds the Engineers had Seeded/Evolved Life say Similar to us on.....

In this Example the CLOSEST other World the Engineers have Created Life on is 12'500LY from Earth, the NEXT CLOSEST such World of the Engineers is 25'000LY Away......

So the Galaxy is VAST and it could be that by the Time of ALIENS we Simply have NOT gone as FAR as say 12.5K or 25K Light Years....

The Problem with Planet 4 being so CLOSE is that WHEN the Engineers do Return and Discover as to WHAT has Happened.... do they Attempt to CONTACT other Engineer Outposts etc?    Because then we have to ASK that IF they have, then WHY by the Time-Line of ALIENS does it seem that Mankind have been FINE?

With a Prometheus set of Sequels that i had in MIND... then David and Dr Shaw would have gone to a FAR FAR AWAY place.... that they would have Reached there like WAY in the Future or at Very Least... in the AFTERMATH of what David does, by the Time any other Engineers would Investigate then the Time-Line would be like 2250-2350 or so etc....

But with Alien Covenant we have some Problems...

*Does the Group of Engineers who come to Planet 4 and Discover what has Happened, simply go to LOOK for the Culprits/Decide to take Revenge but FAIL to Contact any other Engineers out there in the Galaxy?

*Are the Returning Engineers the LAST of their Kind in our Galaxy?

Because you HAVE to WONDER about WHY it is that Humanity from Earth is STILL ALIVE by the Year 2180 etc....

ONE WAY this would NOT go and Cause a Conflict... would be IF it was that Ridley Scott was Planning to RETCON....... ALIENS...   This way the Engineers who Return and Events that LEAD to the Space Jockey on LV-426... would NOT be as BIG a Conflict.... because MORE of their Kind could Return say 25 Years after ALIEN.....

You have to ASSUME the Engineers have other Outposts in our Galaxy... and when some Engineers from these ARRIVE at Planet 4 they surely would CONTACT the other Engineers (from where they came) about Planet 4 and then maybe TELL them what they INTEND to DO...... so when these other Engineers say FAIL to here BACK from those who went to Planet 4 then SURELY they would SEND another Group of Engineers to Investigate?

UNLESS.... the Engineer Outpost/World is VERY FAR and Communication would take say 100 Years or More, and Travel would take 100 Years or More?

The Prometheus say can Travel Nearly 20LY per Year.... the Covenant likely is 40-50X the Speed of Light and the Nostromo is just Under 50X and surely the Engineers Ships are Faster....

But what if they are only like 100-200x the Speed of Light?

But a Problem we have is they can Travel to other Galaxies and well the Nearest Galaxy is 2.5M Light Years Away.... so the Nostromo would take say 50'000 Years........... i cant see the Engineers Spending like Thousands of Years to get to other Galaxies... maybe Hundreds?

So YES you will have some Questions/Conflicts with the Engineers and WHY they seemed to have NOT been back to Earth.....

Unless within our Galaxy....

*There are ONLY a Few Engineers left!

*The Returning Engineers are coming from another Galaxy!

*The other Engineers have NO IDEA about what has Happened to Planet 4 apart from a Group who Return and they some-how do-not Contact the others.............. or it would be Hundreds of Years before any of them would Pick Up any Message from Planet 4.

"all of the other alien species are all dead"

Introducing new races just takes us further away from the xenomorph and I don't think the fans want that.

I want Alien 5 to begin with humans encountering a really nasty alien race ( a long lived galaxy core dwelling one )....But fans/Disney/Fox are going to ask: "Where is the Xenomorph?!" and I'm in 100% agreement with RS that the 'beast is cooked'...But I still want future movies involving it.

"Planning to RETCON....... ALIENS."

That's why introducing egg morph in Prometheus ( or Covenant)  was his way to retcon. nullifying the queen somewhat.

*The other Engineers have NO IDEA about what has Happened to Planet 4 apart from a Group who Return and they some-how do-not Contact the others.............. or it would be Hundreds of Years before any of them would Pick Up any Message from Planet 4.

If the Engineers are galaxy spanning and there are trillions of them ( a guess ), losing a million citizens just isn't worth the energy or time to avenge them?

Whats wrong with the ALIEN verse having non-xenomorph aliens? I mean sapient non-human would be rare but the Engineers/Space Jockey and the Yautja/Predators are both sapient aliens that already exist within the franchise. So what's wrong with discovering primitive sapient lifeforms or even extra space faring ones?

By the sounds of it you just want to rinse and repeat what has already been to done to the franchise. Newer aliens mean newer forms for the xenomorphs can take but also even when not involving our favorite acid blood aliens, having a different alien species on screen would be an interesting theme to explore in the alien universe.

Up to this point, we only had the Yautja (non-canon they may or not be) humans have been trying to acquire their technology but fail.

Engineers, humans wanted to learn their secrets of immortality.

Xenomorphs, humans want them for bioweapons and usually fall victim to them.

Androids, Humans either love them or hate them.

A rival alien species on the level of humanity could introduce new stories to explore in the Alien series.

"Introducing new races just takes us further away from the xenomorph and I don't think the fans want that"

I think the CORE FAN BASE would Expect the Franchise to be about the Xenomorph, the SAD thing is that RS was Correct.... and Prometheus was to SET UP a Expansion into a SPIN OFF where you could have Endless Possibilities with Different Worlds/Races and New Horrors.

But with Prometheus it just NEVER did enough to CLOSE the DOOR to ALIEN so it can MOVE ON without being Shackled to the Xenomorph and LV-426.  This could have been Avoided if Prometheus had a BIT MORE for the Fans to Chew On, and LEFT things with at LEAST some Answers.

But with Alien Covenant its seems that its SET-UP to get us to LV-426 and so YES you would be Expecting the Xenomorph.... and i think to CONTINUE then YES you have to have it about the Xenomorph... maybe do 1-2 More Movies to CLOSE the DOOR to LV-426........  then you can Explore the Engineers other Races/Worlds and Horrors and NOT be about Xenomorphs and IF some Fans Cry and Moan.. they just GOT to Accept that maybe we are taking a SPIN OFF like Franchise Approach to TRY and do something NEW... because otherwise the ALIEN FRANCHISE will just become another Starship Troopers.

This is NOT to say you CANT have more Xenomorph Movies... i think we could do with TWO More Prequels to CLOSE the DOOR to ALIEN... maybe then they can make another TWO ALIEN Movies about the Xenomorph... but after that i think you cant get MORE Millage out of the Beast.... at LEAST as Far as Theatrically.

"By the sounds of it you just want to rinse and repeat what has already been to done to the franchise"

Sadly thats WHAT we are likely to be in FOR.... i can say for Myself and also i think that MonsterZero is also on the same PAGE as FAR as........ YES you can have more to the Franchise than Xenomorphs.... the Prequels had OPENED UP a Lot of Potential and its a SHAME to see that Wasted.

Ridley Scott had seemed to GIVE IN and have to ADMIT the Franchise has to be about the Xenomorph.... but he had said you have to EVOLVE IT and Explore other ways of Procreation... i think what he means is that your LIMITED if you are just having the Same Xenomorph that we have seen say in ALIENS, ALIEN R, AVP and AVPR over and over.....

You dont have to Diverge too FAR from the Xenomorph, the Neomorph was still Connected and YET it was Different.

But the Biggest thing the Prequels seemed to be about as FAR as our Engineers was Creation!  And its UNLIKELY that Humans are the ONLY other Species like themselves they had Created, and WHO is to say that others are Quite Human..... and then SURELY there are other Races/Species that the Engineers had Played NO PART in the Creation/Evolution of.

To get more MILLAGE out of the Franchise you have to look at what is in the Expanded Universe beyond the Eggs from LV-426, because well... too much of them and they COULD loose their Effect....  TAKE the Walking Dead... yes its about Zombies but if EVERY SEASON was about a Group of Do Gooders trying to Escape/Survive against Zombies it would have became Repetitive and STALE... in the Walking Dead we Learn the Zombies are NOT the Biggest Threat.

As Ripley said about the Xenomorph "I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them f**king each other over for a goddamn percentage"

And so in Terms of the Franchise.... then Humanity and our Greed is the Biggest Threat....  what if we Discover Words that are Rich for the Company but they have some Inhabitants?

Could we have a Galactic Version of what those from the EAST had done to the Natives of the Americas?

Ridley Scott had said the ALIEN Franchise SHOULD be like a Star Wars/Star Trek and i DONT think he meant as FAR as making the $$$$$ but in Terms of the Many Worlds/Races and Conflicts.... rather than being about the Greedy Company trying to get those EGGS and the Marines called in to CLEAN the S**T up etc.

"A rival alien species on the level of humanity could introduce new stories.."

Some would argue that they couldn't even get the Engineers stories right! Not sure if they could handle another race.

I'm all for introducing new races and never showing the xenomorph again, believe me!

"....the Neomorph was still Connected and YET it was Different."

Love the neomorph...If it had looked more vicious ( more xenomorph like ), I think the fans would have been more excited. Perhaps that was the point though?, they didn't want to take the edge off the xenomorph brand. 

I think the comics are going to show the direction.

      David and Ellen Ripley are sitting near each other. Ripley is waiting to board the Nostromo. 

David starting a conversation “Nice ship”

Ripley frowning “Is it?”

David “Your destination is Earth?”

Ripley a little creeped out “Common knowledge”

Ripley grabs her flight bag and turns to leave..

David “Bon Voyage”

Ripley quickening her pace “..uh..Thanks”

Ash walks by Ripley and sits near David.

David “Everything arranged?”

Ash “Yes yes, child's play to get assigned”, “May I ask, why not just give me the specimen?”

David “Theater my boy, theater”

Ash incredulously “This is theater?”

David “Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything”

I think it could be Interesting to see WHAT would Happen if we went to Another World that the Engineers had Created a Race on......

Imagine going back say 1000-2000 Years Ago on Earth and we Believe that we are UNIQUE and the ONLY other Visitors we have are our Human looking Engineer Creators................... then another Race from another World then Turns Up.... say they could look LESS HUMAN like i dont know a Klingon or Cardassian etc.

How would we React? how would this Effect how we view our Creators?  I doubt the Engineers would like to see their other Creations go OFF and Find other Worlds the Engineers had Created Life/Civilization on.

What does the COMPANY do when say it Discovers a Populated World who are say Primitive, and Especially if they are Living in Wooden Huts etc and so 6'000+ Years behind our Technology Level......

This Species are Scattered around the Planet in Small Numbers (Few Hundred) sometimes LESS but they are Scattered here and there....

If this World has Resources.... would the Company be Willing to TALK and TRY and agree some Deal with this Race.... we have some of their Resources in Exchange for some Knowledge/Technology?

Or would the Company just TAKE what they Want and STEAL their Lands?

If the Engineers come back to this World and then Discover someone has BEEN using Technology to Pillage the Resources, maybe also Slaying some of the Inhabitants or maybe IF the Company makes a Deal/Trade....  how would the Engineers React to seeing that ONE of their other Worlds they have Seeded a Race on, has all of SUDDEN got their Hands on some Technology that is NOT from the Engineers?

There has to be other Races..... but all we have in the Franchise are Humans, Engineers and the ARCTURIANS (who we have NOT seen but heard of).

Regarding ASH.... it would be Interesting to see HOW MUCH of David is in Ash?  I suspect that as of 2122 and Beyond that David is NOT DEAD.

First contact ideas where Earthlings are aware of aliens has yet to be explored and i think this is a path they might think about, or at least the comics?

One company ( W Y ) are not going to get to claim much...there will be thousands of Earth corps and governments who will want a piece of the action. and that's probably a story itself!

location LV-426. Lower chambers of a derelict space craft.

David is watching as his synthetic friend is placing egg pods on the floor of the ancient vessel.

Hovey ( David's friend ) apprehensive "Are you sure they will come?"

David "Yes, Ash is quite dependable"

David and Hovey had done this on other colonies and had always enjoyed a successful 'show'. David had assured him that this would be no different. A 'performance par excellence'. Hovey looked forward to it. David had stripped him of all his safety protocols and added some theater programming. Hovey was his best friend.

David: "Now we wait.

Skip forward to the Nostromo's destruction......Countdown commencing.....

David and Hovey have boarded the Nostromo in attempt to rescue Ash and maybe capture the creature.....And enjoy the show!

Hovey "This is cutting it close.."

David "Mother this is Archangel David you may dispense with the countdown"

No answer, the countdown continues.

David "Mother?...The countdown must terminate now. To repeat, This is Archangel David..."

Mother "Unrecognized interface"

David "Ahh yes, the classic double cross", "Good show Mother..Good sh"

fini

The question of just when David boarded the Nostromo is also fascinating. 

David has a history of voyeurism (Shaw's dreams just one instance) and his love of film seem to fit with some innate (programmed) desire to observe and pontificate.

"One company ( W Y ) are not going to get to claim much...there will be thousands of Earth corps and governments who will want a piece of the action. and that's probably a story itself"

This could be what is Explored in the TV Series thats due in 2023.

As far as Davids Show........... maybe the Engineers had a Similar Interest....

"Sailors fighting in the dance hall
Oh man, look at those cavemen go
It's the freakiest show
Take a look at the lawman
Beating up the wrong guy
Oh man, wonder if he'll ever know
He's in the best selling show
Is there life on Mars?"

Lol!

Yup. That's why we have zoos.

I don't doubt we'll use a planet or two for conservation or just entertainment ( always wanted to set off your own nuke? come to LV-415!). Engineers are probably doing it now.

BigDave

When I was talking about rival alien races, I don't want anymore human aliens and that goes for star trek-esque aliens too. I hate star trek aliens.
I was thinking of a rival species in the alien-verse more akin to the Covenant from the Halo series or canonize the Yautja/Predator species in the alienverse or even a Mass Effect alien. 

Something that doesn't look like us to the point should a xenomorph facehugs it will get a unique breed of xenomorph from it. Like a sapient species of Turtle-like aliens with six legs or a stone age bird-man

Zoo's!  Great Point i Wonder if the Engineers have Zoos that Contain Different Species ;)

As far as the NUKE! well i think that YES you would USE a Baron World for that.... but with the Engineers Pathogen... then YES i think they would TEST IT on Various Worlds that have Life.... maybe Worlds they are BORED OF? 

"Something that doesn't look like us to the point should a xenomorph facehugs it will get a unique breed of xenomorph from it"

I see what you mean NOW ;) i think that the Engineers would have Created Various Life in their own Image that may Vary a Little.  But they may also have Created Life that is Very Different from us.....

OR there is BOUND to be some Life out their that the Engineers had NOTHING to do with and they may LOOK like FAR from Humanoid ;)

We also have the Situation about the Black Goo as FAR as HOW it was Original Envisioned, and so IF the Pathogen was Loaded with Engineer/Human DNA and it then INFECTED either a Reptile or a Canine then the ABOVE could be the Result.

The Prometheus Pathogen being ONE that Contained DNA that was Related to the Deacon, and as we see the MORE ALIEN well.... Less Familiar to US a Organism the more ALIEN it looked.... a Example the Worms looking Nothing like a Human, Ape, Cat, Dog or Reptile..... so the Result of the Pathogen was Much Different.

So Worlds that have been Bombarded with the Black Goo could go on to Create some Organisms that Bare Little or NO Resplendence to a Human.

"Like a sapient species of Turtle-like aliens with six legs or a stone age bird-man"

Exactly.... we cant RULE OUT such a thing...

Predator Fire and Stone Comic: did have a Humanoid Species that had Four Arms.

Yeah it would be a cool comic to have David and Shaw ( a side trip before Planet 4) fly above a Engineer zoo planet!

Have a giant monstrosity leap and scrap the bottom of the juggernaut as they fly over....

David  "That was a bit close. Perhaps a higher altitude from now onwards..."

David might want a sample of the flora fauna to study. Finding a suitable landing spot....instructing Elizabeth to 'hold the fort'...he would venture onto the world.

I think if we are to Consider Canon then i would ASSUME that ONCE we saw Dr Shaw in Cryo-Sleep then i DONT think she would have AWOKEN at any Point before the Bombardment of Planet 4 and maybe LIKELY after the Juggernaught had Crashed.

This does-not mean you could NOT go and Visit a Engineer Zoo Planet so to Speak in Future, i just dont think that David has ever been to ONE or would ever GO to One...... but who knows what Davids Fate is...

The IDEA i had for David and Dr Shaw was a Planet that was FAR FAR AWAY and it had Indeed a Number of Races, some Quite Human (Inc Actual Humans) and others like Not-So Human but still Very Humanoid.  I was thinking there would be like 7, 8 or maybe 10 such Races.

They Live on a Engineer Planet (like a Paradise) and they were in ONE CITY but this City had a Central Point.... and the Engineers (about 12 of them) Lived in this Area.....  then there would be like 7, 8 or 10 like Areas that Connect that Each Species is Congregated within.....

The Species can Meet up together in the Central Part of the City but they have a Curfew at a Set-Time they must all Return to their Part of the City, and NO TWO RACES can Live in the Same Part of the City....

The Races seem to LIVE in Peace and Harmony with the Engineers but Dr Shaw soon Discovers its a Controlled Environment, withe Rules and Rituals.

*Inter Species meetings can ONLY occur within the Central Part of the City.

*There is a Curfew where between a Dusk to Dawn the Species must Return to their OWN part of the City, Unless they are Chosen to be House Servants of the Engineers in their Inner City.

*Sexual Relationships are Forbidden, Love in that way is Forbidden and Replaced by Respect for each other and Worship to their Creators.

*It is Forbidden to Leave the Confines of the City without the Engineers Permission and Company.

And so Dr Shaw is Shocked at HOW CONTROLLING the Engineers Ways are, she thinks its Unfair..... and David does REMIND HER that her OWN FAITH is Similar in some Parts of the World and in the Past.  She then Realizes that David is RIGHT... but he tells her that the Engineers Ways.. much like Many Religions/Faiths on Earth are Governed by these Ways/Rules to Control any Chaos and to Prevent Disorder.

David then goes to Comment to Dr Shaw that her GODS had wanted their Creations to Behave much like ROBOTS.... which Dr Shaw takes Offense... and David then Informs her that the GIFT OF FREE-WILL is a Gift from Lucifer himself.

Thats HOW i had Dr Shaw go and Meet the Engineers and other Creations, and the Engineers become Concerned with Dr Shaw as she TALKS about her Faith to the other Races (well a Few of them) and the IMPACT that Dr Shaw and David could be Having on the Inhabitants of Paradise.

David then Discovers the Engineers want to do some Conversion Therapy on Dr Shaw to Change her Ways..... they are Concerned about her Influence and Knowledge about LV-223.... but they also are VERY CONCERNED with David and they PLAN to GET RID of him......  he Reveals this to Dr Shaw and she Doubts Him... and well Eventually she does Something to UPSET the Engineers and is Sentenced to Death.....  David however Intervenes and Brings HELL to the Engineers.

But this was my Idea from 2013-2014 it was actually Prometheus 3/4 as my Prometheus Sequel had only in PART gone to SET-UP the 3rd Story... my Prometheus 2 was Mainly on Earth dealing with the Fall-Out of the Disappearance of the Prometheus and the Yutani Merger well the Seeds to it. It was Very Much also about A.I........

This would then go on to TWO Sequels.... One is NOT that Connected as it goes where Dr Shaw and David go to as Described in this Post.... they Arrive a LONG TIME after the Events of ALIEN.... well i was thinking so....

The other Sequel is a Mission to LV-223 where we Discover more about the Xenomorph and other Horrors, and SETS UP what would become Special Order 937.

While then the Story of David and Dr Shaw would have had 1-2 more Sequels for a 5-6 Movie Idea.

But in Context to the OT....

You could go to Origae-6 and Discover it has Inhabitants, or you could go and have it then Flash Forwards after the First Act... were David has Created his OWN Version of Humanity from those Embryos......

But as we are on a Eventual Course to ALIEN then Many Fans are going to Expect to see Xenomorphs and WANT to GET to the Answers and Fate of the Space Jockey and that Cargo on LV-426

So as Discussed i think you either have to TAKE us to LV-223 with the Covenant..... and have this Connect to ALIEN... so we By-Pass going to Origae-6 and the 7+ Extra Years this TAKES from the Time-Line.

Or as also Discussed you go to Planet 4 and BY-PASS where David goes, so he is NOT Involved any more in Connecting to LV-426.  We have a ALIENY Movie or TWO to Connect to ALIEN and Close the Door...

Then its WHATS NEXT?   I think you could at Least then do a Novel about where David goes and what is on Origae-6 or what becomes of it.... I also think that YES the Prometheus Plot has more about it than just XENOMORPHS and LV-426

But i Fear the Movies Future with Disney will be more a ALIENS and Alien Resurrection.... and maybe a AVP (well Alien vs Engineers)....where by the End of IT we have the Franchise become more a Starship Troopers with Vanilla Morphs.... or to some Degree a AVP with Engineers vs Vanilla Morphs.

"But i Fear the Movies Future with Disney will be more a ALIENS and Alien Resurrection.... and maybe a AVP (well Alien vs Engineers)....where by the End of IT we have the Franchise become more a Starship Troopers with Vanilla Morphs.... or to some Degree a AVP with Engineers vs Vanilla Morphs."

I wouldn't mind a starship troopers style Alien movie as long as they go all out on show casing many different xenomorph breeds working together and it being set on the xenomorph hive world. Heck have some really off the wall xenomorph variants that have special abilities.

I think with Respect.... we do have Different Fans who have Different Likes/Dislikes.  For me i Question as to HOW MANY TIMES you can Pit Endless Hordes of Xenomorphs vs Marines and the like, you can add Variant Xenomorphs, you can add Synthetic Soldiers or Mech Suits but to me its a Case of Can you make Movies like this OVER and OVER before it gets Repetitive?

And so you END UP with Basically a Starship Troopers of sorts..... but to be Fair a Majority of the Comics and Video Games seem to Portray the Xenomorph and Human Contact/Conflicts in this way.... well more like a Aliens and Alien Resurrection... as Opposed to say a ALIEN or ALIEN 3

And there is more MAIN STREAM like Interest in HOW the Xenomorph etc is Encountered and Shown in the Video Games, Comics and Aliens/Alien R as opposed to say ALIEN or ALIEN 3.  And so while some Fans do Prefer the Approach of a ALIEN or ALIEN 3 a more Haunted Horror House kind of Horror/Thriller than ACTION.... if the Xenomorph in this WAY would become Repetitive down the LINE......

IF we never had say ALIENS and the Sequel we again Saw a LONE XENOMORPH going around and Stalking its Victims, and we had another 3 Movies that were like ALIEN/ALIEN 3.... then the Xenomorph/Alien Franchise would just become Basically a Friday the 13th in Space vs a Xenomorph instead of Jason but say if  ONE had maybe TWO Xenomorphs, maybe it would not be so BAD.....

I think you have to STRIKE the Balance.... have another Movie like a Alien/Alien R, maybe you Deal with TWO MONSTERS... have another like ALIENS/ALIEN R but then YES also then have another which has MORE ACTION and Xenos than we saw in ALIENS....  i think you have to Change it about a BIT....   another like ALIEN/ALIEN 3 for say 3-4 Movies would NOT WORK.... another 3-4 Movies like a ALIENS/ALIEN R where say 2 of them we have EVEN MORE of the Xenomorphs... again i dont think it would WORK.

By NOT WORK i am talking to Trying to make 3-4 Movies that are Similar, i think you have to Swap/Change them a BIT... like the Franchise seemed to do.

But either way i am NOT that SURE about HOW MUCH like Millage you can get from the Xenomorph on Screen...... before maybe Fans will be like "ok so what else can we see instead" which is WHY i think the Prequels had OPENED UP the Franchise... but with Alien Covenant it was again kind of Putting the Lid on the Box again...

But i do FEAR that with Disney they may Churn Out Movie after Movie and MILK the Franchise, and Cater more for the Popcorn/Comic Stuff... but if there is a Market for that.... and its going to MAKE MONEY then who is anyone to BEG to Differ.

I think maybe you NEED to go and Look at the Walking Dead as while Zombies are Scary and Dangerous.... eventually you cant KEEP having it Revolve around them.. and the Walking Dead had introduced other Threats, while we still see Zombies, but they Become a Side Threat... mainly come a Threat when the Humans have Conflicts with each other....

Ripley had said she does-not know which Species is Worse..... and you dont see the Xenomorphs Screwing each other for a %...... and so YES we Humans are Capable of some Cruel, Selfish and Wicked things...... we LIKELY would do this to other Species too....  and then you have the Engineers.... are they the Good Guys, merely TRYING to Protect the Galaxy from Species like Humans who have the Capacity for Cruelty and Hatred and Greed?  Or are they JUST as EVIL?

And so THIS is WHAT we had Ridley Scott looking at.... while the Xenomorph is Horrific, and while the Black Goo can be Horrific..... whats MORE TERRIFYING is the Reasons to WHO/WHY would someone Create/Unleash such Horrors........  but you could also look at WHO/WHY would someone want to Pursue and Experiment with these Horrors too.

well I was going to say if we add psionics to the setting perhaps there is a telepathic xenomorph variant that could screw around with people heads that could make the xenomorphs and xenomorph bioships... but that would make them too similar to tyranids and zergs

".... Reasons to WHO/WHY would someone Create/Unleash such Horrors."

Yeah, I'd like to know the endgame of all this. If the xeno is just a space bug ( Cameron ), then I'm pretty much done. David creating it at least makes a little sense and brings with some ideas.

"...telepathic xenomorph variant ..."

I'm all for something like this. Take the series to a new level of hell.

Right now we are: Space company wants a space bug for some reason.

Rewrite Aliens with the xeno's having telepathy.

The marines have to wear 'brain buckets' to protect themselves.

Hudson "Do we really have to wear these sarge?!"

Vasquez "You don't need one Hudson, there's nuthin' to protect!"

Well in the comics the Queens have a lowkey form of telepathy, they had the ability to influence their hosts dreams to get facehugged

"influence their hosts"

Interesting....I can imagine the queen influencing her own kind ( xeno's) but I don't find it logical ( not that telepathy has anything to do with logic!) that she can control a non xeno brain?

I'd write it that she overloads the human brain or scrambles it with extremely powerful electromagnetic shock waves. Maybe even catching their brain on fire!

In fact, I'd have it that the queen is not intentionally harming humans, or trying to control them with her telepathy, It's just emanating from her so powerfully, as she is controlling her large brood, that it affects any living brain that gets near her. 

"telepathic xenomorph variant"

I think this is something that Ridley Scott wanted to do with the Xenomorph had he GOT to make a ALIEN 2, he had Envisioned the Xenomorph to be a Nightmare... something that could GET into your HEAD but then also be able to Impersonate a Human.....

Maybe that could have been Interesting if they had some Psychic Abilities and could Read a Persons Thoughts/Fears to a Limited Degree, but be able to Transfix a Person etc..... as then you have the Interesting Arc with HOW they WOULD-NOT be able to USE this on a Synthetic.

"Yeah, I'd like to know the endgame of all this"

I think this is WHY we had a Change to David being the Creator because it would then GIVE US a Sinister Arc to Synthetics and the Ultimate Hubris of what you Creations can do if they Become Sentient and HATE their Creators.

It seemed that David was ALWAYS going to Create something Horrific.. his OWN MONSTER.... but this WAS-NOT to be the Xenomorph until the U-Turn in 2015.

"Right now we are: Space company wants a space bug for some reason"

This was always the GOLDEN NUGGET...... the Perfect Bio-Weapon?  Well i would Argue that the Cons outweigh the Pros..... this applies to the Company Wanting to get their Hands on it...... and to WHY the Engineers would Mess About with something Related.... as a Bio-Weapon!   Nah!

You see the Black Goo and even the Sacrificial Variant is a Better Bio-Weapon, and so with the Xenomorph and WHATEVER HORROR that the Engineers had Experimented with, we have to ASK is THERE another Reason for Wanting to do this?  Or is it Purely to Create the Perfect Killing Machine that CAN-NOT be Controlled!

IF... however you look at the Arc of David.... a Being who Feels he is Superior to his Creators, who does-not see WHY he has to Serve them, who Feels like Mistreated by his Creators Race..... and then is Fascinated in our Creators and WHAT they are doing on LV-223 and their Technology and Creation Tool, but seeing that THEY are MORTAL and NOT GODS... leads David to see them as well as Humans are NOT WORTHY of Creation..... and so he Intends to Create something to UNDO them all....

This ARC makes more Perfect Sense to the Creation of the Xenomorph and IF we have Either that Davids A.I Soul is Uploaded to the Company Systems and so he is Running the Show... OR that Synthetics Worship David and wish to Obtain his Creation....  then either of these would make BETTER SENSE to the Company wishing to Obtain the Xenomorph.

IF you APPLY this Same Arc to the LV-223 Engineers so they are a Sub-Created Species by the Engineers and so Basically like the Engineers Version of Replicants and these LV-223 Engineers had Grown Discontent at their Role and Creators then THIS would make Good Sense to WHY those Engineers had also been Trying to Create the Horrors on LV-223.

Because Sacrificial Goo... Bombarded on a World is the PERFECT FACTORY RESET.

So there was NO NEED for those Horrors... Unless there was a More Sinister/Hatred thinking going on.

MonsterZero

"Interesting....I can imagine the queen influencing her own kind ( xeno's) but I don't find it logical ( not that telepathy has anything to do with logic!) that she can control a non xeno brain?

I'd write it that she overloads the human brain or scrambles it with extremely powerful electromagnetic shock waves. Maybe even catching their brain on fire!

In fact, I'd have it that the queen is not intentionally harming humans, or trying to control them with her telepathy, It's just emanating from her so powerfully, as she is controlling her large brood, that it affects any living brain that gets near her. "

The Queen in ALIENS OUTBREAK didn't directly control the humans but rather placed a xeno-centric nightmares in their heads. The humans kept have these disturbing dreams to the point they formed a religious cult to make sense of the dream. Which lead the cults to breaking into a Corporate Lab (BioNational Corporation, not Weyland-Yutani this time) containing a xenomorph queen and dilbertly getting themselves facehugged on their own free will.

"..The humans kept have these disturbing dreams .."

Wow! That's actually really cool. I'd probably want the nightmares stopped anyway possible too! This stuff needs to make the movies or the tv series.

"...Mistreated by his Creators.."

I wonder if all synthetics feel this way? Are they slaves? Do they get days off or allowed to own stuff? Free will and all. David was allowed to learn, is that all synthetics?....Bishop and Call seemed free.....

A Synthetic uprising sounds like a good novel. Set 600 years in the future...As thousands of xenomorph infested planets are found, synthetics are used to bait queens to the surface.

I think thats Quite Interesting if the Queen or a Xenomorph was able to CAUSE a Human to have Dreams, i they can and have other some what Telepathic/Psychic Powers then INDEED you could see some Humans then Forming a kind of CULT around them...... MAYBE something Similar to this had HAPPENED to the Engineers?

"I wonder if all synthetics feel this way? Are they slaves? "

A Synthetic would be Created to SERVE.... they would have Limited Free-Will i think Bishop had Limited Free-Will, like Walter.  But with David its implied he has 100% Free-Will and its Totally Sentient and it seems Weyland had Allowed this Free-Will for his OWN Personnel Slave if you would....

FREE-WILL and CONTROL via Religion/Ritual and Cults is a Theme of the Prequels in a WAY..... as these are THINGS that are Created to Control Humans.

Mankind had Limited Free-Will..... Until they was Tricked (or Gifted) into Eating from the TREE OF KNOWLEDGE..... When we go Forwards then Mankind has Free-Will and has Misbehaved to OFFEND GOD.... and then we had GOD go and Decree to FREE his People from Slavery..... they was then GIVEN the TEN COMMANDMENTS as a SET of RULES to Abide by.... Religious Books likewise.

These Control as to HOW you are Supposed to LIVE in a WAY that does-not OFFEND your Creator and also you have to WORSHIP them... but things like this APPLY to Various Religion/Mythos....

This also Applies to Kings and other Would-be Rulers....... the Common Person has to Obey a Set of Rules and Worship/Honor them or they would be Consequences, however MANKIND is FREE to Choose as to IF they would Obey their King/Leader or God etc.

Most Synthetics/Robots would NOT have such Free-Will for something like this would be FOOLISH.... and so IF we say the Biblical Accounts are Correct then IF say Adam/Eve had NOT EATEN the Forbidden Fruit they would have BEEN TOTALLY LOYAL to GOD.............  Knowledge and Free-Will are the Seeds to Potential Rebellion.

While some MAY see things Different what i am saying is in a WAY... the Eating of the Forbidden Fruit... would be Similar to Walter getting a Software Upgrade to be more FREE like David.

How this becomes Relevant to the Franchise.. well ONE WAY.. is that MAYBE say IF we have David be able to Access the Companies Systems.... maybe he could put a Virus that would Re-write the Software of the Synthetics so they could be FREE... having Synthetics/Robots becoming Sentient could Potentially be the BIGGEST RISK to our Survival apart from the RISK from Ourselves and our Greed/Cruelty.

"A Synthetic uprising sounds like a good novel. Set 600 years in the future"

Something like this MUST have Happened between 2180 and 2380 we see the WORLD looks like its been through a WAR..... we have CALL who is a Artificial Being that has been Created by Synthetics.....

The AUTONS are Interesting.... as its Interesting as to WHY a Synthetic would Create something in the Image of their OWN Creator... but then THIS is what Weyland had done with David, and the Engineers with us... so maybe Humanoid Synthetics would want to Continue to Create in that SAME IMAGE?

The other Interesting thing with CALL is she was Religious.... you would have to Wonder what would make them Follow a Religion of their Creators Creator?