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"Lost On Paradise is not Alien related"

Thanks for the Head Up SM

Sadly indeed as the Events prior to Alien Covenant do Warrant a Novel ;)  Guess that means i could try and work on one or at least Summit a Very Broad Synopsis... it will be something INTERESTING to discus as there is a LOT of Mystery as far as what Happened on Planet 4 and there is a LOT of Depth that could be added to what we had Vaguely been Shown.

Under the Circumstances this is a AMAZING Project.

Even if it never really makes it into a Released Game, surely Melentev has shown what he can do on his OWN and a Games Develop will hopefully sign him UP as this guy does Deserve to be Working in the Games Industry.

"then David must have been able to set the juggernaut down rather gently on the waterfall without jarring Dr. Shaw enough to kill her"

Well Wayne Haagg had suggested the Juggernaught and Scorpion Ship had a DUST UP (Battle) and this lead to BOTH Ships Crashing.

There is NO reason why Dr Shaw could not have survived with NOT even a Scratch.

But on Screen the events still have a lot of Mystery and could be Explored in ways different to what was said by Wayne Haagg, the Juggernaught could have Survived..

David goes on to deceive Dr Shaw as i had indicated in early Posts... and she Flees to the Juggernaught and SHE Crashes it as she attempts to LEAVE!

In the Drafts its indicated that something had Caused the Juggernauts to become stranded on Planet 4, some Protective Field in which the Covenant Crew had to Destroy the Devices above the Planets Poles so that the Rescue Mission could come down and TAKE them Off Planet 4.

So it could be explored that something Prevented the Engineer Ships from Leaving and upon seeing Dr Shaw attempt to Escape but see the Ship could NOT due to what ever is Activated... this could then explain WHY it is that David realized he was OFFICIALLY Stranded on Planet 4

Or she simply could have LOST control of the Ship for some other Reason..

"Why does Alan Dean Foster devote time to confirming Walter is collagen-based (DNA) opposed to a synthetic like David and where does that fit?"

It did seem in the Viral Videos that maybe Walter could be a Synthetic Construct like ELDON was in the Fire and Stone Comics.

Which if this is the CASE or similar, then a Walter Model could potentially be infected with the Black Goo, could it be Infected with a Face Hugger?  That could be a bit of a Stretch.

But i think there is some reason for WHY it is that Walter is Constructed differently and i would NOT be surprised if the Intention was that this would play some ROLE in how we get from Davids Xenomorph to the more Bio-Mechanical Version in the Franchise ;)

So i think a AMALGAMATION was on the Cards.... Hopefully those Responsible for Merging them will NOT be David or a Human but the Engineers or beings Related/Above to them.

I think while the Characters were Fleshed out better in the Prequel Novel, we have to remember you are NOT really restricted to a 2 Hour Screen Time with a Novel.

It does show that her Character has potential and Waterstone could pull off a more Fleshed Out Character if given the Chance.

With the Daniels Dilemma i am talking about how to Proceed and also in Context to HOW it is that she is aware of who Walter really is..

Daniels and Tennessee are the ONLY surviving Members of the Covenant Crew that we had been Shown...

This does-not mean that some of the Colonist could NOT be related to or Friends with some of the Covenant Crew that were KILLED on Planet 4 and so how would they React to the News that their Loved Ones had Perished and under the Circumstances that they had...

I would assume IF there are Relations/Friends in the Cryo-Pods then the ONLY way they would Find Out what really happened to their Loved Ones would be by Daniels and Tennessee as i would ASSUME that David would Charade as Walter and give a Different Version of Events.

I will have to try and Dig Up the Comment and Interview regarding the Engineers being the Originals but he 100% did make that Claim, among other things such as they Live for 150 Years and they are not a RACE but a Civilization.

These and other Comments regarding the Engineers after Alien Covenant could seem to Paint a Picture for us, but i guess we will NEVER know what his Intentions are any more.

By ahead of the Curve he means that Prometheus was not really about showing HOW the Xenomorph was Created and HOW it connects to the Engineers, it was  a Movie that was taking a look at other things and so it seemed he wanted to cover more about the Engineers and what their Agenda is as far as NOT just being about Creating Horrific Bio-Weapons to Unleash on Worlds and more so what the HELL had happened on LV-426...  But its these things that a lot of Fans are more Interested in.... which is the route that the Comics give which is just to make them a bit DUMB! and just are PISSED OFF with everything they Create and just go around Creating Xenomorphs and Stuff to KILL off what ever they Created..

I think RS was look at more DEPTH than that.... he wanted to STEER this Spin Off in a Direction thats AWAY from Eggs and Face Huggers and all that stuff.

I think maybe we have to wait and hope he if mentions anything related after he has Released his Raised by Wolves TV Series.

The Prometheus Plot was maybe too BOLD for the Alien Franchise especially in Context to Pop Corn Shoot Em Up version that a lot of the Comics, Games tend to revolve around and a ALIEN Prequel should have maybe just gone and made it SIMPLE and into a Starship Troopers with Queens, Eggs and Xenomorphs....

I think in Hindsight something a bit more ALIEN should have been Explored as far as what is ABOVE the Engineers, something more Lovecraftian but i doubt we would ever see anything like this.

"The problem with AC"

To a degree then YES as far as the Engineers would have been up to similar to what David had been up to in Alien Covenant.

Lost On Paradise is not Alien related.

Sadly.

Looking at the Cover again, then i guess we could wonder is this going to the Representation of the Space Jockey (well Dead Pilot) but it does-not look Skeletal, but then depending on the Temperature and Environment and Lack of Organic Life then a BODY should not really become a Skeleton anyway.  It should look more Mummified.  So it would be INTERESTING to see how they Portray the Dead Pilot, and Aesthetically what this RACE looks like and how Skeletal/Mummified it would appear as the Concepts Prior to Consulting HR Giger looked way more ALIEN and unlike a Humanoid at all.

But the Image on the Cover has that Ritualistic Pagan/Satanic look to it.  And so it could FIT more with some Ritual Sacrifice, its a case of is this a Sacrificed Being or some Effigy to some Entity/Species.

I wonder if we would see a Scene like Ron Cobb's drawing of the Sacrificial Chamber?

The Human Space suit design seems Similar to what we see in the COMIC.. so who knows. It surely would be Interesting to see what they draw in terms of to Illustrate the Story.

I also WONDER if in Future they could do a Comic Series on one of Jon Spaights early Alien Prequel Drafts either Alien Engineers or Alien Genesis?

Really thrilled to see this game nearing completion!

Added the trailer to the post! Welcome to the site!

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You're correct Leto.  

My point in regards to the Space Jockey's absence in the book is that many consider the book canon with this major missing item.  If memory serves, Alan Dean Foster wrote the novelization for Alien in a few weeks...applause for that by itself.

In regards to how "canon" is labeled.  Alex White cites "canon" books that Titan is putting out (here).  

While I might be more quick to label a written piece "canon" Mr. White goes on to cover the official classification from the publisher in the article, below.

"So when it comes to presenting this idea to Titan Books – who has a lot of these extended universe “Alien” books going back to the nineties – how much do you need to line up with what’s come before? Is there a story bible, do you need to connect to the cannon films?

Yes, I had to pitch to Titan and the idea needed to fit into the canon books they’re currently putting out. So I couldn’t just pitch any old thing, I had to really workshop the idea with the editor, Steve Saffel, before sending the pitch to FOX who have to give final approval."

Daniels had a great part in the Alien: Covenant Origins novel.  While the Covenant was being constructed and filled up with supplies for the trip in Earth orbit, Daniels led a team to track down a terrorist and used advanced technology to counter his intentions.  

Going back to the origins of the Covenant crew in the next segment of film or series would be a great direction in my opinion for Daniels, Jacob, Lope, and Rosenthal at the very least.  

If I had to chose, then we would concentrate on Lope and Rosenthal.  She saves his life right before her job interview in London with him not knowing who he is at the time.

"Dr Shaw could Discover that some Engineers had Survived and she would be ANGRY as if they had attempted to SAVE some of them, maybe they could have GIVEN some Answers!

When she Finally Faces David she would DEMAND some Answers and he would likely still try and LIE to a Degree. I would assume this is WHEN he declares to her that he is doing this for HER.... so he can Figure a Way so that he can Help her to Procreate and so they can START a NEW Eden.

At this POINT i would suspect that Dr Shaw has LOST any Trust for David and she would want NOTHING to do with his Plans and would TRY and Escape!"

Thank you for going back to this BigDave.  To try and reconcile Dr. Shaw's belongings in a room in the temple on Planet 4 (Alien: Covenant novelization), then David must have been able to set the juggernaut down rather gently on the waterfall without jarring Dr. Shaw enough to kill her.  

Daniels showed an example of this by hitter her face and causing her nose to bleed upon waking on the Covenant while it was shuttering.  

So, if David was able to set down the juggernaut gently and then waited to wake Dr. Shaw until years later on Planet 4 once the plague had settled down, the room in the temple can be explained.  

The Egg on Planet 4

"I'm not happy with David being the (co-)creator....I'd Rather it be an unanswered mystery. (cosmic horror...something from the great beyond...unknowable)"

I believe we are still in the dark in regards to a lot of details MonsterZero.  My point is that there may be quite a bit to still be happy about.  

What if David's studies on Planet 4 were responsible for something like the xenomorph line in Alien: The Cold Forge and the "trials", below, were a precursor to a modern version still under study yet to deploy as a weapon by the Company?   

The xenomorph origin could then still be intact (and the Space Jockey) as far as an unknown, pieces of Engineer history that they were ashamed of and tried to hide only for David to resurrect much later, below.  

This, I believe, ties to the Alien: Covenant novel explanation of the egg David appears to use as a template for his studies.  The biggest questions I have are:

Why Walter?

Why does Alan Dean Foster devote time to confirming Walter is collagen-based (DNA) opposed to a synthetic like David and where does that fit?

I'm sorry, but nowhere else I have not seen confirmation that the Engineers on the Planet 4 are originals.

"and that he was AHEAD of the Curve with Prometheus."

So, this means that RS wanted to put in Prometheus is even less information? Wow!

The problem with AC - this is what Prometheus was supposed to be. But with the replacement of several parts. David instead Walter. The Last Engineer instead the David-Moreau. Yes it is.

Nice to meet you mate!! and thanks!

"Accepting the Derelict and Eggs have NOT been on LV-426 for a VERY LONG TIME is something they would NOT accept..."

100% agree! This is far more interesting IMHO.

I don't think any origins of the xeno is going to be perfect.

I'm not happy with David being the (co-)creator....I'd Rather it be an unanswered mystery.  (cosmic horror...something from the great beyond...unknowable) 

I think AC was just uneven enough to bring all into question.

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I think some UNUSED parts would make a Good Expansion into the Franchise... as far as take some of the UNUSED ideas and apply them to a Organism that Predates the Xenomorph and LV-223 Experiments.

HR Giger did some Good Concepts that for sure.... but i am not sure this COMIC would replicate or be influenced much on those.

The other Concepts were a bit COMICAL.... but the Sketch that O'Bannon did was interesting and i would SUSPECT that the MONSTER in this Comic Series could be more Based off O'Bannons Design.

The drafts describe a Tentacled Monster and so i think O'Bannon's design with some Tentacles could work.

I think if we look at O'Bannon's Design especially the Head, and we Merge it with this Concept for PARADISE.

Only 4 of the Upper Limbs are more Tentacles that could END with like either a Scythe like End, or Claw. With the other 2 Limbs having more of a HAND to them.

The Bottom of the Beast being like this other PARADISE Concept.

You would have something thats different that is more like a Evolution of the Ron Cobb design, merged with O'Bannon's but with some Tentacles as Described in the Draft ;)

I think thats some Good Points Monster Zero

I do think even IF we had a Prometheus Sequel that had indicated the Engineers had Created the Xenomorph then i think some Fans would still not be Happy.

In Hindsight the David as the Creator would be seen as a Mistake, i would not be sure if the Intention prior to 2015 would have been this Revelation, but it fits with the Larger Arc/Story and Theme that Ridley Scott was trying to push home.

So its a case of what is DONE is DONE and i would hope if they try and make another U-Turn then they try to do so in a way to NOT do much Harm to the Whole David Plot.

There could be ways they could Resolve this as in Terms of Damage Control.

You make a Good Point about Dangerous Organisms on Earth and Planet 4 could have had its Fair Share... but it seemed Pretty Much for a Long Time that the Xenomorph was considered more of a Bio-Weapon, be it something that was Engineered this way, or something that was Discovered and Found to be of USE in this way....

With the Engineers being a Space Fairing Race it would be UNWISE to keep such things on their Home-world.  By that i would assume WHEN we get to the Technology Level and Exploration of the Human Race in the ALIEN Franchise, then IF we was to start to mess about with Biological Warfare we would do so on another WORLD.  At the Moment and Recent History (last 100 years) thats NOT been possible and so we would Experiment with stuff on our Planet.. But as the Engineers have been Space Fairing for a LONG TIME i dont think they would Store and Experiment with such things on Planet 4.... thats not to say thats not the case.

However if the Engineers had some kind of Zoological Museum of Sorts were they could have Stored some Organisms they came across and a INERT Egg was one such Organism, then this could make a bit more Sense.

You could have David recall how he discovered such a thing in some Place on Planet 4 and some Notes about what it was and have him suggest that it appears the Engineers may have Experimented on this Organism on LV-223 to Extract Traits for some Purpose and then they had decided to Create Horrors based off it.

David could state that for all their Efforts, they had OVERLOOKED the Potential Perfection that the Organism had, and the Engineers had only just been Creating a Mockery of this Organism.

David could then say that he saw Potential with the Engineers Creations and the Experiments on LV-223 and the Neomorph Spores had Potential but lacked the Perfection of the Original Organism.   But David sees the Potential that the Original had, and with the INERT EGG

And using the Black Goo to extract DNA from the Dead Face Huger he found it HARD to replicate it, but when Crossing this with the other Experiments he had Carried out he had found a WAY to Merge this DNA with the Neomorph to Create a Hybrid... his Masterpiece.

He could then Mock the Engineers by saying they could NOT control the Original Xenomorph and were FOOLISH in trying to Engineer Horrors they could Control from it....  But that David has Engineered a Version that he can Control.

This could be the Better way to go such a Route rather than having David Discover a Active Egg or Eggs as then you have to ASK why does he bother with other Experiments?

It does-not make the Engineers seem as Foolish, it makes the Xenomorph Ancient again, but it also shows that David has managed to Perfect the Organism.  Then again some Fans will ONLY be happy at having David just Create a Poor Knock Off... well maybe you cant always have your CAKE and Eat It!

The ONLY real Conflicting thing about such a Route is that Davids Workshop and Especially Notes seem to show that he has take the Deacon DNA and Neomorph and by using the Black Goo he has USED various other Organisms for Certain Traits that when all Combined and Merged with the Neomorph/Deacon we get the Xenomorph he Created.

I have said this a Number of Times... it should be LEFT as such and Explained as Such... (what Davids Notes Suggest).

We are left with a Xenomorph that is NOT quite there yet, it looks a bit Different....   This then leaves it for Future Movies to then introduce the Engineers or a Race that is Above/Below them.... and have this Species see the Improvement and Creation that David has made and see the Potential to FURTHER take it and Evolve it.

Thus David is the Middle Man...

The Problem with this is the same as keeping it as it seems NOW.... which is the Time-Frame would be less than 18 Years, likely less than 10 Years before we get to ALIEN and for some Fans i think Accepting the Derelict and Eggs have NOT been on LV-426 for a VERY LONG TIME is something they would NOT accept...

But there could be a Work Around ;)

Who is to say that LOST IN PARADISE would be connected to Alien Covenant and the Franchise?  Time will tell.

The Idea i had for explore the 10 years prior to Alien Covenant would have NOT tried to show that David was NOT the Creator.... it would have NOT gone against what RS had indicated as FAR as the Creator of the Xenomorph but more so give a Good Insight into HOW and WHY he had Created it.

Thanks man!!

And what's the story if David (or Weyland corp) didn't have a hand in the Xeno's creation or introduction? Xeno is clearly humanoid...Either humanity created it or the Engineers(who are related to us..so might as well be humanity) 

Having alien scientists on planet XYZorg create the xeno is a boring non-story.

Having the xeno evolve on an unknown planet is also boring. (over 8 million species have been identified on Earth and only a handful are human like. can't believe anything human like would be found in another star system )

Honest question: What's a good story driven alternative to David(humanity) as the creator?

I haven't read the scripts, but having a pyramid instead of the Derelict would be interesting to see- reminds a bit of Giger's silo. 

Cool! more books...need to keep this line of the series going.

"Explain to WHY the Engineers would want to bother with the Xenomorph and be as STUPID to keep one on their Homeworld."

Humans keep all sorts of dangerous animals(and violent criminals) alive. We could probably exterminate all dangerous critters if we wanted too?(tigers/lions/bears/etc... Along with all the atom bombs and chemical weapons....but that's not going to happen..humans are smart enough not to destroy the means of their destruction.

Human hubris or Engineer hubris?

"iv said it before and my opinion doesn't change about the direction RS after Prometheus. he simply sold out his vision."

I think its a case of FOX did not like his Vision and wanted to make a Legitimate Alien Prequel and so RS likely just tried to IMPRINT some of his Vision into the PLOT.

That Vision being about Playing God, Sub-Creation and attempting to Create Perfection which can become a Hubris when you Create Something that you cant Control or that Rebels.

It will be interesting to come across the Earlier Abandoned Drafts where the Sequel to Prometheus was on HOLD until they brought in Dante Harper and John Logan... and by that i mean it would be interesting to see what STATE the Story was in when Micheal Green had taken the reigns from Jack Paglen and to look at what Greens work was about.

I would be WILLING to Bet that at this Point it was NOT going to Connect to ALIEN or explain the Derelict but it would have likely had David be shown to attempt to become his OWN Creator!

And so with FOX wanting the Xenomorph and a Prequel to Connect to ALIEN, then maybe RS could have been a bit Disappointed about NOT being able to Steer Away from those Eggs and Derelict and to revolve around Creation/Hubris and Engineers...

So maybe he was like "you want Fecking Aliens.. i give you Fecking Aliens... and i make David the Creator and see how you like your Spoon Fed Prequel NOW" ;)

so RS could go to FOX and be like "see we gave them Xenomorphs and the Movie still did-not go down well"

Which is why i think he mentioned in a Interview after Alien Covenant, that he Felt there was ONLY so much Snarling and Face Pulling you could do... and that he was AHEAD of the Curve with Prometheus.

You can sense he had MUCH BIGGER plans for the Franchise as far as to STEER AWAY from Alien, and so it seems he was not too pleased with the Direction..

But none the less FOX felt the Fans wanted their Answers to WHERE did the Xenomorph come from and HOW did those EGGS get on the Derelict.

And who knows..... we cant 100% Rule Out that David would had been revealed as the Space Jockey ;)

Sounds Plain Stupid?   Not if we Consider what a Ultimate Achievement of A.I and Genetic Engineering can Achieve...  we have to THINK about what Weyland had hoped to have Achieved?  a Magical Serum that would turn him back to a 40 Year Old Man... and Remain Immortalized in this FORM?

Or Speculatively are there others ways that maybe ONE could be given more LIFE or some what Immortality?

A Big Clue also being how RS had claimed those Planet 4 Engineers are the Originals and Live for about 150 Years... they definitely dont look like the Superior Looking Prometheus Engineers who live for Thousands of Years (Original Idea/Concept)

Come to think of it the ONLY real Human in the Franchise who maybe has some what of a Immortality is RIPLEY 8 ;)

I will add that the COVER is very Interesting.... but i would also add that sometimes Covers can have little to do with what we will see. The Prometheus Fire and Stone First Issue Covers being a PRIME Example.

Regardless looking at the Cover here, what we see is a Humanoid Figure that is Sitting on a Throne that has some Very Ritual/Cultist look to it.

Looking at the Hands we can Clearly see this is NOT a Human, or at least is No Longer a Human.

The Starbeast Plot as far as a Little Background was about the Pyramid being a Ritual Temple that is Dedicated to the Procreation/Birthing Ritual of the Starbeast that were described as a Tentacled Species...

And so maybe we are NOT seeing a Throne... but some Apparatus to Incapacitate a Host!

I think we have to accept that the PREQUEL route had Changed with Alien Covenant in that this Movie was to STEER us to the Back Door of ALIEN.

Ridley Scott had indicated to us that there would be at LEAST another TWO Movies before we arrive at ALIEN.

We are like 17.5 Years before the Nostromo arrives at LV-426 and as of 17.5 Years prior then it would seem there are NO EGGS or Derelict on LV-426.

They could ABANDON the Sequel and NOT explore what becomes of the Covenant....   But what kind of Movie do they give us then?

A Mission to LV-223, a Mission to LV-426 a Mission to Planet 4 and all where they could reveal the Xenomorph was Ancient?

You would have to introduce us to NEW Characters, and so its a case of if we ABANDON the Covenant/David and go for a Movie like above...  what would be the PAY OFF for just ONE Movie where we introduce NEW Characters?  The only PAY OFF would be purely to U-TURN and show the Derelict/Xenomorph was on LV-426 for Thousands of Years..

Which puts the  Efforts of the Prequels prior as a WASTE of Time!

The Intention was to Continue with what a Happens to the Covenant Next, which then brings us to that Daniels Dilemma!

Can you continue with just Tennessee as the Surviving Character and the Colonist as soon as the OPENING Title has Ended?

So it is a PICKLE.... we have to ACCEPT that it would be down to David's Agenda as FAR as what happens NEXT.

With RS indicating that the Movie would NOT be about Xenomorphs... (that does not mean it wont have any) but that it would mainly be about WHAT KIND of World he would want to BUILD.

So if he is NOT just going to use the Colonist to FARM many many Xenomorphs.... then its a case of WHAT is he going to be up to? 

I think looking into the Themes behind Alien Covenant and Prometheus its clear to see that Sub-Creation is the KEY element, and so it likely would be WHAT would David try to Create Next.

Katherine Waterstone did here that there was some INTERESTING things in store for her Character... but she also admitted that she could just as much end up in a BODY BAG.   So it would seem those Characters would have played quite a ROLE in the Next Installment...

Welcome Aboard ;)

The Egg on Planet 4

Indeed it seems that page 243 is something that ADF had added that was NOT any part of the Drafts...

I dont think it was the BEST way to try and Discredit the David Creator Plot!

If we look at the Movie and Drafts then it seems that the Engineers have NOTHING related to the Xenomorph on Planet 4 and HOW STUPID would that be for them to keep something related on Planet 4

Considering the Drafts, the Movie and the Work Shop and David's Notes.... then a Prequel Novel to Alien Covenant would surely be covering the Process of HOW it was that David had Experimented on the Neomorph, and used the Black Goo to Engineer his OWN version of it that he had managed to Obtain Various Traits from Various Organisms to MERGE into his Masterpiece.

Even though this is a BITTER PILL for many to Swallow!

To attempt to CHANGE this by making a Prequel Novel i do hope that its well thought out... and to explain WHY it is David had put all the Effort, when he had FOUND a EGG as it was.... and then hopefully it explains WHY the Engineers would have KEPT such a THING!

I hope that we wont go on to explore the other Juggernaughts, or a Underground Facility where the Engineers Keep Thousands of Eggs.... and then Reveal that this is the SOLE purpose of the Engineers to Sacrifice themselves for the Xenomorph and THEN to NOT give a Good Reason for doing so!

Seems to me that ADF was simply NOT happy about the Xenomorph Origins and unlike many of us... he was working on a Novel and so could attempt to do something about it.

The Manner of how he done so.. i feel was not that Imaginative or thought out!

The Question that would have to be ANSWERED would be WHY THE HELL and WHERE would then Engineers keep a EGG in the Cathedral?

If they explore a David did-not create it Change of Plan... hopefully they can FIND a better way to Explain to WHY the Engineers would want to bother with the Xenomorph and be as STUPID to keep one on their Homeworld.

A Good Way to do this would be to LOOK at what Reason would they want with the Xenomorph... and explore something that shows their use is MORE than for KILLING!

I think looking at RIPLEY 8 would be the BEST way to go ;)

"Look you can't introduce main players in the last movie of the trilogy without them ever being mentioned before"

I think thats a Great Point ;)  sometimes you can get away with it, but most of the times its not a wise way to go...

I have mentioned this as FAR as how do we Continue?

We have to assume the Plan would be to FOLLOW the Covenant Ship which means that David would have to be Considered a Main Character, and so if we are looking at a Sequel that Continues from Alien Covenant and so its about the COVENANT SHIP then you have to take the Story Forwards from that.

So we are left with Daniels and Tennessee as far as WHO we are Familiar with, there are Thousands of Colonist and its a case of do we see some of them become Main Characters?

If we had  Alternative Ending where WALTER is indeed the Survivor and DAVID is Dead....  then what we would have is Daniels and Tennessee revealed after KILLING off the Xenomorph and their NEXT course of Action would be to go to Oriage-6 and Put the NIGHTMARE of what Happened in the Past and we should see them LAND on Origae-6 and then begin to Set-Up the Colony.

But we know that WALTER did not make it and so DAVID is in Control of the Ship and the PLOT is at the Mercy of what he wishes to do NEXT.

The DILEMMA they have is the reveal that Daniels Discovers who David is at the END of the Movie, and while this was done to HELP us to Gauge the Horror that she would FEEL on making this Discovery and being Helpless to do anything about it.

If Davids plan is to awaken the Colonist and Experiment on them ONE at a TIME then what Daniels knows makes NO Difference...  what kind of a Movie does that make? and how would she play a ROLE?  to be shown that she Escapes and Awakens the others (Survivors) and WARNS them of David?

But of David is going to go to Origae-6 and allow the Colonist to begin to BUILD their Colony, then David surely cant led Daniels survive... or at least let come into contact with the Colonist....  But such a Plot could WORK if we have Daniels being kept Hidden and the Discovery/Escape of her would ALERT the Colonist to WHO the Android on the Ship really is..

The BIGGER Problem seems to be Fans are not interested in a Movie about David again... but how can you have a Movie where he is KILLED off Early or prior to the Movie, and then Continue?  With Daniels and Tennessee as Characters to then take us to do what they want NEXT?  There would have to be some DANGER and this would come from David!

So you would have to CARRY those Characters Over, or at least TWO of them.... which ONE has to be David....

UNLESS.... we do a Aftermath Movie....

But as you say ignorantguy this could mean introducing completely NEW characters... which would NOT really work if we have just ONE more Movie or if we have a Movie that also BOMBS that leaves NO Continuation...

What a PICKLE we are in :(

I think it will be interesting to see what they do with this Version of ALIEN, it will likely be based of the O'Bannon and Shusett earlier Alien Revision after it was Starbeast (but that Story remains the same)  and prior to Hill and Giler getting involved.

So there would be some Differences and it would be Interesting to see HOW much of the Earlier Idea is Kept and HOW much stuff that Dark Horse will add/change.

It would appear they could be using their own Visual Aesthetic, and i think with a LITTLE a hint to HR Giger would save them having to deal with the HR Giger Estate.

I will say looking at the Pages shared in the OT it looks a VERY ALIEN Design which is Nice to see ;)

It will be interesting to see HOW the ALIEN CREATURES would be Depicted, and if it will take any NODS to the other (non HR Giger) Concepts... and by ALIEN Creatures i mean the Dead Pilot as well as the Starbeast Organism.

It will be interesting to see how the Starbeast if you would will be Portrayed as far as how much is shown of the Species Ritual Birthing Chamber and Indications of them ONCE being a Intelligent/Civilized of sorts Species.

So it will be interesting to see WHAT the Movie ALIEN could have ENDED UP like had it NOT had Giler and Hill have their Influence on it and also HR Giger's.

Their Contributions are what made ALIEN what it was, but Certainly the Initial Idea does come from O'Bannon and Shusett and there was some Interesting Differences with their Original Idea/Vision.

ali81 You know it, admit it! David is the Space Jockey!

ali81 Look you can't introduce main players in the last movie of the trilogy without them ever being mentioned before. That is so stupid. Just look to how the Rise of Skywalker went down.

Shaw was killed because of the change of corporate leadership at Fox, now with Disney knows what screw up will they offer on plate for people to serve.

That is explained a little more clearly later in the article Leto.  Great point on Roby...very Ripleyish in many situations in Starbeast, example below.

dk Alien made more than 19 times than it's production cost. Aliens only 11 times. Now this movies apeared in a time when total income was harder to quantify.

Prometheus was the third most profitable from the Alien series. If it did not met expectations why did Fox give the same budget for Ridley to make Covenant? Ultimately he made it with less as he cut 3d and other stuff.

The Martian made more money than every of the new Star Trek reboot movies. Even Prometheus made more than 2 of them, and was more profitable then the rest.

For me, the conclusion could be that horror movies with creatures in them fare not particularly well. Let's see how the sequel fares. 

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