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Indeed its all ambiguous and we cant rule out if these Engineers had been in contact with the Xenomorph well Related Organism in the past, we see it in the Mural/Fresco and maybe we have to ASK... Why, When and is this Event/Interaction only intended for Earth, was it only tested on LV-223 and Did it come from LV-223.

so its still open as far as connections with Xenomorph/Parasitic Organism in context to the Engineers...

When talking about other Races, i was implying that maybe and likely Earth is not the only World they had Seeded/Evolved and then do all Worlds they interact with have Exactly or Similar Life to Earth...  are there many Humanoid Races and how similar are they.

Then IF indeed there are Many Worlds and Races that can thank the Engineers for playing their Part, (No Engineers, No Humanoid Alien Races) IF this is correct.... then the WHY as in the purpose for Creating Life on Multiple Worlds because maybe the BIGGEST Question in the Franchise.

We cant rule out to be used as Hosts for Xenomorph related Organisms?  But there is NO 100% Proof to say this is what the reason is too.

The Alien Covenant poster was interesting... maybe its a Easter Egg and has no LITERAL or intentional connection at all... But it does imply Humanoid beings, much like the Engineers having unleashed upon them Xenomorph Related Beasts!

"Good article. But I don't think what hammerpede is a part of Deacon evolution. It's separate species - from earthworms."

Indeed they are both different outcomes to the Black Goo infecting TWO different forms of Organic Life Matter...  Worms, and Sperm/Egg Cells.

The Black Goo was more simple to understand in Prometheus, especially when we look at the Alternative Concepts and then more so when we compare it to Jon Spaights Nano-Scarabs (Alien Engineers draft). However those at FOX have added little changes here and there after Prometheus that has Complicated the Substance and made it a bit of a McGuffin.

I think the CONSTANT we have to look at when connecting to ALIEN is we are shown a Parasitic Life-Style.  Lets look at these for what we Definitely have seen in the Prequels and Davids Workshop, before i END with the Hammerpede.

While we had Mutant Fifield who looked more like the Toxic Avenger (some concepts we saw more Xenomorph DNA) the MAIN Xenomorph DNA we see in the Prequel Franchise in Order came from.

*The Trillobite (Cuddles) clearly a Hybrid Organism, that we see has a Connection to the Xenomorph via how it acted as a FACE-HUGGER leading to the Deacon Chest Buster... so indeed a Parasitic Life Cycle as with the Xenomorph.  Only these Face Huggers Evolved from Dr Shaws Egg Cells (likely) or was a Parasite that Hijacked her Womb to Grown.. so Dr Shaws Reproductive Cycle allowed for the Creation/Birth of this Face-Hugger type Organism.

*Neomorphs again we see these Organisms Gestated/Grew inside a Human Host but there was NO Face Hugger Stage, instead the Spore Casings released Tiny Spores/Parasites which then Grew/Evolved/Combined to give us our NEOMORPH a Organism with Xenomorph Traits and a Parasitic Life Cycle.

*Various Experiments by David, some based on the Parasitic Spores that created Neomorphs, and David had done a lot of Mixing of Various Organisms infected with the Spores and Black Goo, until he used Engineer Bodys and likely Reproductive Cells to Produce something between a Neomorph and Xenomorph. 

*Proto-Morph... the Xenomorph we see in Alien Covenant, based of the Near Perfected Results of Davids Experiments, that he used Dr Shaws Reproductive System to Produce more Desired Results.  This Xenomorph and its Life Cycle are pretty close to that in ALIEN.

All of these Events/Organisms have a Parasitic Reproductive Cycle were a Organic Host is required to Gestate the Xenomorph related Organisms.  Deacon, Neomorph and Xenomorph.

However we dont see this with the HAMMERPEDES while we can clearly see Xenomorph Traits with this Organism and some of its Genetic/Aesthetics are similar to a Face Hugger.  So we can Ponder HOW would this Procreate?

Most Worms Procreate via Eggs, some are Asexual and Do-Not need there Eggs to be Fertilized but some are Hermaphrodites (Earth worms too) and so TWO Worms will Mate and BOTH will have Fertilized Eggs.  So the Question is... do the Evolved with Black Goo Worms (Hammerpedes) Reproduce still after the Infection/Evolution and would they Procreate as the Original Worms do?

I think when looking at one of the MAIN things about the Black Goo and Organisms it infects, is they become Parasitic in their Procreation and so i do think its LOGICAL to assume that the Hammerpedes can PROCREATE but does their Egg Stage get Hijacked by the Parasitic Nature of the Black Goo?

The Spore/Motes are Hijacked to Produce a Xenomorph related Organism.

Dr Shaws Reproductive Cells, likely Hijacked to Produce the Xenomorph elated Parasitic  Trilobite, and latter Eggs that Produce the Parasitic Face Hugger. 

So maybe we can Wonder/Assume of the Hammerpedes Egg Cells will become a Parasitic Organism that takes Traits off a Host?  Maybe there was a REASON the Hammerpede went into Milburns Mouth? 

Prior to Alien Covenant and the Neomorph Life Cycle, i was drawn to the HAMMERPEDES being the most likely Candidate to the Chest Busted Engineers in Cryo-Sleep in Prometheus.

I think this does fit with the Parasitic Effects/Life Cycle.

The AI angle is something i had been exploring when i attempted a Prometheus 2 idea a fair few years ago now....  It does seem from some of Ridley Scotts comments that AI being a KEY player could be something he is wishing to explore/evolve.  The interesting thing would be could they explore it as Davids AI/Soul or Weylands?

Regarding Davids END i think this has to reach a Logical Conclusion where he gets OUT-DONE by his own Creation.  Done so in a Hubris Manner, we see the Engineers were pretty Naive, and Weyland was also in regards to the Free-Will that David is Granted and so i think its fitting he underestimates/looses control or what i would like to see is DAVID Evolves himself Psychically (Synthetic Construct) and so WHY then he has the best of Both Worlds... he becomes somewhat Organic while still remaining a Synthetic....  and this PATH OF EVOLUTION leads to him becoming infected by his OWN Creation, i think this could also be a route to explain the Bio-Mechanical Nature of the Xenomorph in ALIEN compared to the more Organic one in Alien Covenant.

Maybe the WALTER-MORPH is back on ;)

@ignorantGuy

By then I was on the train, very busy, and just went to see them no big deal they are movies. I thought A's was a good "bigger" movie than A but impressive rather than fascinating entertaining rather than intriguing. A3 and AR were horrible for different reasons. The nixing of Hicks and Newt just killed it for me and AR's kitch left me cold.    

When you get to your fifties you start doing this look back thing turning over old stones and seeing whats underneath and making connections with your roots. So I really like the Assembly Cut of A3 and Aliens has become more two dimensional. AR remains sunk without trace. Alien is really beginning to show its age but those questions remain.

"I hope David gets torn to bits in the sequel by his f****** creation!!!!! and goes to hell and never come back!!!!!!!! ”

I agree regarding David's end.

I certainly love the character as a villain/consequence of pride and want to see how that peters out but in the end I believe we deserve to see David meet destruction in the way he has delivered it. 

Could David be like Ash eventually in the way the android was destroyed only for the AI inside of it to "live" on in Mother or other AI? I don't think I'm the 1st to suggest that.

I'm not sure the David Mengele comment author above in the opening would like that scenario either. 

Can we just file Alien: Covenant under "loose mad-hooded-robot lets his hair grow out and creates demons on Planet 4" and then just all get along?

Thank you Thoughts_Dreams.

Excellent point BigDave.

"This could only apply to his vision regarding CREATION as in the Engineers and what other Races have they created or have came into contact with."

I would like to see if someone else unleashed the xenomorph on the Engineers and they suffered a setback.

Great catch Leto.

The hammerpede was clearly raised from the worms and part of a separate evolution that Milburn could teach a biology class about his contact with one.

Yes ali81, it is hard to nail down what the black goo can do because of the assumed many examples of this mutagen shown in Alien: Covenant. 

When Peter Weyland pleaded with the Engineer at the end of Prometheus, he explains that he built David and deserved more life because of this ability. Cut scenes show Peter Weyland going on further and explaining that David is perfect and built in his (Peter Weyland) image. 

Can we find a better example of Pride on film? Peter Weyland, a man, believes he is perfect and never fails. This Man (full of pride) created David.

I believe David (AI) is a perfect vessel for Satan built on Peter Weyland's Pride.

Peter Weyland had cured disease, discovered the body's ability to hypersleep enabling interstellar travel and developed the space ships to do so, terraformed multiple planets, designed weapons and bought everyone else that made them...after all this...why couldn't he cure death too?

Pride comes before the fall. Sorry Peter, death comes for all of us.

@Michelle Johnston what about Aliens at 31 or cubed at 37 or Resurrection at 42? I guess they were less then perfect.

@ignorantGuy 

Damon certainly said they had ideas as to where it might go but I suspect they were very blue sky nevertheless his loss was a big one. 

As to who do these films actually please General Film goers with a small investment in the franchise who find them reasonably entertaining. The comment I heard coming out of Covenant was it was good once it got going but to slow. Quite the opposite of those that felt the 3rd act was rushed which is the typical view on AVP. 

For myself I know exactly what has happened. ALIEN at 24 and PROMETHEUS at 57 were perfect for me.

Imagine a world where beings saw themselves as curators, recognised the enormity of creation and lived for, a very long time (thats code for immortal) and were satisfied to spend eons learning the universes mysteries and deal in its principle currency for the greater good. Is the Monster audience really interested in that. So I think some of the hints generated by Prometheus were counter intuitive to the Franchises base and thats the essential dichotomy.  

@Michelle Johnston, I wonder what the original  Lindelof-Scott plan was in 2012, if there was any. And I am wondering who do you think are those that truly please where the prequels are going?

They could have made the world of the Engineers abandoned and all of them extinct and that's why they did not return for 2k years , for example. And they could have made it so the whole thing is not so obvious.

1) A mad David who destroys the Engineer Home world.

Yes, I think they pretty much had to kill off the Engineers. 4 later movies and not one mention of this super race.

Alien  "OMG! an Engineers ship..let's get the hell out of here!"

Aliens "The Engineers were kind enough to let us settle LV426..let's make the most of it!"

Alien3 "Yeah, we got a bunch of renegade Engineers in a holding cell....Superior race!? My ass.."

Alien:R "We need this 'Newborn' weapon to help fight the Engineers!"

 Reboot with Engineers?

@BigDave

I spent some time today reading the John Logan base script of autumn 2015 this is important because it was the first time Ridley Scott got happy with moving forward with production on a film after Prometheus. Every previous script had been rejected out of hand but this script got the film production schedule rolling. It was as you know announced as Alien Paradise Lost.

The key elements were:-

1) A mad David who destroys the Engineer Home world.

2) An incoming colony ship called the Covenant.

3) Shaw dead early on head ripped off by D.

4) A sub plot about their being a protective barrier round the planet which had to be destroyed.

Aaron Percival maintains he has intel on the Michael Green phase and to quote "it wasn't that different". That makes sense because he and Paglan still get a writing credit.

I say all of this because the David dilemma is not the problem its the consequence of the problem.

So whats the problem. Well there are several. 

1) They would not risk making a film without a new group of human characters.

2) They probably couldn't envisage or afford to make a film where the Engineer world was alive and kicking.

3) They could not come up with a story where they could use the Shaw/David dynamic. 

Its hugely ironic that despite the extra ordinary breadth of the Prometheus foot print with so many questions to ask they couldn't get past first base without reverting to and then refining all the way back to an A L I E N retread. Looked at from that perspective it was obvious that you kill off the Shaw and Engineer story and out of that David creates the Xenomorph and to give it momentum for the next phase a whole ship of colonists survive with David.      

So you now have four sets of disgruntled fans. 

1) Those that do not like prequels and the demystification of the Jockey.

2) Those that do not like prequels and the Alien origin story.

3) Those that loved Prometheus for all its flaws and feel short changed by the volt-face.  

4) Those that love Alien movies so long as Ripley,a Queen and Marines are in making tough one liners.

Who would make another ? 

I have the second half of the epilogue to write and a post script and then I have some people in a focus group for first opinions and I need to re watch Prometheus ,Crossing and Alien to see if I am still routed and Lawrence for stuff.

If all that goes well I need to think about how to present the novel.

Reconnect down the road.  

the engineers may all be clones and if that is the case, then there is a cloning facility on the planet. David has been there for 10 years so its very possible he would have found it. it wouldn't have been hidden as there would be no need to hide the facility as it is their only means of procreation. I found it strange, and strange no one seems to have mentioned this (if they have iv missed it sorry) but it is strange there is a grave for Shaw yet a body of Shaw on the table. it may yet be the original Shaw in the ground as David obviously cared and respected her so it would make sense he buried her with dignity yet the clones are not her so David has no issues with what hes doing to them

the out of the shadows trilogy is the best by far. all 3 really get the imagination going and I loved the plot involving Ash on the ship, great idea. all worthy of being turned into feature films in the franchise. the novels are the best follow ups to the first 2 alien films imo and I agree chli that they open up the franchise in many ways but id also put Prometheus in that category also as there were so many paths AC couldv (should) continued on with but failed miserably. river of pain is my personal fave especially the derelict scene with Newts parents. if wed seen it on screen it would have only added to the intrigue of the derelict

sorry, got that wrong. assuming the goo was used in the creation of the face huggers that r on on the covenant

think ati is just showing us all species that evolve from the goo tbh which in a way connects them, assuming the goo is used in the process onboard the Covenant????

Good article. But I don't think what hammerpede is a part of Deacon evolution. It's separate species - from earthworms.

Nice Work ;)

Going back to David i think they still have a Dilemma on their hands, and i think the MAIN deciding Factor is TIME...

The Longer the Franchise is on HOLD and especially any sequel to Alien Covenant, the less likely it may involve David, well maybe as far as what role and how large it is as far as Screen time.

The David Character has a lot of Fans from Prometheus, and some of the more General Fans or ALIEN Franchise Fans, had not taken to his Character too well... i think 3 Main Reasons come to mind.

*The David Creates the Xenomorph Angle.

*The over Emphasis on his Character being the driving Force of the Prequels much as Ripley was for the Alien Franchise.

*His Character Arc/Evolution compared to what he was in Prometheus.

So a lot of Hopes Fans had as far as what to do with Dr Shaw, what to do with giving us more about the Engineers, and HOW will we get our answers to the Xenomorph Origins...  And also i guess how they will explore David....    And it seems the use of David has seen his Character get a lot of stick for things...

*Killing off Dr Shaw and the Engineers.

*Creating the Xenomorph while using someone he was supposed to Care about.

*How he acted towards Walter and the Covenant Crew...

Seems a lot have issues with David more than those who dont...

I think a thing to consider would be WHAT kind of things would they change if they take on-board what they suspect has BUGGED Fans.. And so what HAPPENS if they decide to not have David as the Creator of the Xenomorph....  do they show us this because they cover his Creation more and show us clues/answers that show its a Knock Off?

Do they then introduce the Original Xenomorph if they go back this route or do they choose to keep this and the Space Jockey a Mystery?

So depending what route they take as far as Limiting Davids Role in the Xenomorph Origins, could impact HOW MUCH time is devoted to Davids Story in the sequel.

I think its not a case of getting rid of David... but i do think they have to find some middle ground, to try and please those who liked David or have hopes for his Character, and those who have lost interest or never had any in his Character.

I think a lot of Fans are hoping for Xenomorphs, that are NOT created by David, and also seeing the Engineers or another Race who are more Bad-ass to come into play and become the Space Jockey.

not been on in ages n first time iv seen this topic.wow things got a tad heated. gutted I missed it lol

waw a topic with no negative comments on AC. theres a first for everything lol

"Can you guys actually reject this suggestion as an absurd one or account for it? It is not easy to sweep under the carpet, is it?"

Certainly was a Random Event... was it Coincidence? Planned? I think its merely just a Plot Device to get the Covenant to change its Course from its Original Destination... some speculated did David Cause the Neutrino Burst?  I think it was just a Event unrelated to David.

But when looking at the GODs... Who knows.. i dont think they intended this Event so that David could Eradicate Mankind or the Engineers, because RS has hinted the Engineers return and are not HAPPY at all at what happened and they will want to Find/Punish the Culprit... (David)

But looking at a Neutrino Burst as a starting point to Create Life, as indeed the Destruction of Stars Eventually gives birth to New Stars (when we are talking about Larger Stars) and i had made a Topic Before about HOW could we tackle any more Divine/Power behind all this Creation as RS had asked "where is the BIG GUY" i certainly thought about that and considered a EGG as the Catalyst and that those who created the Engineers, had a Technology that was Eggs of various sizes that could be Programed to Act in Certain Ways...  One way is to Detonate them that causes a Giant Event that Creates Stars, another is they can be used on Stars to Destroy them.. they can also be used on Planets but set in a way to either Destroy the World Baron or to a lesser Extent Destroy the World back to Basics.

I was thinking of taking the EGG from the ALIEN poster and kind of introducing it as a Creation Tool in context a bit to the Cosmic Egg Theory/Mythos.  Certainly interesting to see if RS had any ideas as far as how FAR up the Creation Ladder did they have ideas for and IF there is a BIG GUY and what this could be....  Magical Being, more Advanced Being, a Robot/Machine?  or something else?

"So whatever they (lindeloff?) came up with is okay"

The ideas all stemmed from what Ridley Scott and Jon Spaights had Brainstormed together.... It was taking Creation and looking at the OPTIONS

*Big Bang/Evolution

*Creationism by a Invisible All Powerful Entity.

So they was looking at some Middle Ground between the TWO a way to Marry the TWO to a degree, and indeed the whole Ancient Aliens Theory AKA Chariots of the Gods..  The Question is at the Base of this, does the Big Bang still apply, or were they Pondering something else to contribute to the Creation of Worlds and Stars and Galaxies... and this seems to be a CARD they was playing close to their Chests.

But to continue with the Wayne Haag Comment... im not 100% sure what he meant, as in i am surprised if indeed he feels the Parts of Prometheus that were NOT linked to the Xenomorph where not interesting and BS!

Was this is personal opinion or was he just mentioning it in context to how all this Back Ground stuff about Engineers and Creation is a Distraction from the MAIN Object of a Prequel which is to SHOW us how the Xenomorph was Created, by WHO and WHY

Because If the U-Turn Direction is NOW just to Answer WHO/WHEN and WHY the Xenomorph was created and then HOW/WHEN it got on to the Derelict Ship (because we only need to see those Eggs get from David's Work to ON-BOARD a Engineer Ship and leave it at that).

Then i guess as Wayne Haag said, or implied all the other stuff from Prometheus is NOT Necessary...  Which i think is a SHAME..

Prometheus was to introduce something Broad, some Back Ground to WHO the Space Jockey Race was and the Bigger Picture about them and NOT just about a Bio-Weapon they created that we all know Ends up Infecting the Space Jockey...  and so the changes that lead to PROMETHEUS was to give us a few clues, but they felt they did not NEED Xenomorphs and the like.... and the Plan was that enough Clues are given, so they can SHUT the Door to ALIEN and move off in a different Direction with any sequels...

The PLOT opened up the Franchise to be more than JUST about this Parasitic Bio-Weapon that infects the Pilot and then is unleashed on Mankind.

But the U-Turn is now to actually SHUT the Door on the Avenues a Prometheus 2 could have gone and OPEN up a Direct route to ALIEN we we may get to see more Snarling, and Chest Bursting and just Connecting the Dots to the Inevitable Space Jockey event.

I will answer these few Questions with my TWO cents before reading Michelle's reply to them.

"If you are a god and created the world would you need a ship"

"I guess the big question is if the there anything special about these folks at all"

"I think, while they are at the top of the hierarchy pyramid, they are not exactly gods in the traditional sense of the word."

All of these and the Paragraphs they are in are some interesting things to look at...    The Teardrop ship was a Ancient Craft that these Engineers or what ever beings used to go World to World to drop off Sacrificial Beings so that there Body can be used with the Sacrificial Goo so that LIFE can be created from their Body...  This fits a number of Creation Mythos.

While we see those OLD and Frail Engineers, we have to remember the Removal of this Scene means maybe we cant use them as Canon, because they could be replaced with something else or LESS Fragile beings.   Ridley Scott spoke of the removal of this Scene and it appears he felt those Engineers just did not look Godlike enough, and he also said HE never intended to meet GOD in the first Movie...  which could imply those Engineers we saw are not GODS but it could imply the Elders are GODS but maybe he felt they did not appear Godlike enough or that he wanted to keep them Hidden for a more detailed Reveal in the sequel.

When talking about Prometheus 2 after Prometheus he said that David and Dr Shaw would meet these beings, and they are not GODS not in the Traditional Sense.  Then we get to Alien Covenant and our Engineers appear more Human/Fragile than the Sacrificial Engineer and LV-223 Ones... he also called those guys the ORIGINAL Engineers so the Prometheus Ones are they Genetically Engineered Sub-creations like the Replicants are to Humans?  He could have meant those Hall of Head Engineers though who do seem to be more similar to the Elders from the Deleted Scenes.

Regarding how "there anything special about these folks at all" i think this is a theme RS was exploring that those Engineers are just more Ancient than Mankind and its only their Technology and Knowledge that makes them more Godlike...  While also being a bit more Physically Built... it appears only the LV-223/Prometheus Engineers stand out as Physically Large Specimens.

So we can suggest they are NOT Gods... but then its a Question of IS there a Real GOD, what is a Real GOD... i think this is pretty open in context of the Franchise... and who knows how they would have tackled this....  RS had asked a Question prior to Alien Covenant ... IF the Engineers are the Forerunners to Mankind, then what made it possible for Worlds to Support Life in the First Place... where is the BIG GUY?  he then further Mentions the Big Bang and asked was this a Accident?  and even saying Stephen Hawkings thinks it May-Not have been.

So was RS implying there is some Force/Being or Advanced Technology that allowed for the creation of Worlds/Galaxies.. this is something OVER a year prior a Source i had touched upon as far as Paglen/Green Prometheus 2 was to cover/hint.

Where did the GOO come from this is interesting...  some have pondered if this is Stolen Technology by the Engineers, Wayne Haagg even had the impression maybe the Engineers Technology is Stolen/Borrowed and so not their own.. I certainly felt it was like the Fire in Prometheus... so its a case of is THIS Fire Stolen from Gods.. well other beings... so implies the Engineers Stole this.. or is it just some Engineers had used this Fire in a way that was not intended.

The Source i had claimed that the Crystal in Prometheus was the Source of this FIRE, and that it was a SHARD taken from a Obelisk like Stone, that was not quite Rock/Metal and had Roots and was Growing and was in effect the TREE OF LIFE/KNOWLEDGE on Paradise a Forbidden Fruit..  And that the Stealing/Miss use of a Shard of this TREE OF LIFE was what lead to the Fall of these beings.

Certainly interesting, something i was drawn too, only i never quite thought of there actually being some kind of ROCK that is the Source of the Black Goo, i thought maybe there is something that is kind of represents the Forbidden Fruit...  But indeed IF this information is correct which there is NO way of knowing unless we see the Drafts that Paglen/Green worked on.... i find it interesting that a Rock with Roots that Glows Green is the Source of the Creation Tool/Goo something interesting and just fits....  They also said the Plot is actually close to the DARK CRYSTAL in more than a Large Rock with a Missing Shard. Going as far to say its a bit of a Rip Off in Parts.

"because all I did is I retrospectively looked at Prometheus "

Indeed and its a movie with using other clues that does involve a lot of thought to try and get to the bottom of things, this in part is thanks to its ambiguity and i find that refreshing compared to a Spoon Fed movie or Popcorn Flick with no Mystery.  Where everyone can only come to a few logical conclusions.

"don't be silly - they are not interested in this kind of feedback. I mean they are least bit interested in the story itself"

This is sadly very true and while RS may care, it is FOX who fund the Franchise and they will be looking more at what would make more cash and appease more Fans...  which pretty much sums up some of the reasons for the Changes.... things that were Toned down to bring us to a Direct Prequel that has to introduce the Xenomorphs... where as i think RS hoped Prometheus would have allowed them to steer away from that and cover something Fresh.   But indeed it appears they could be changing things to suit what they deem to be the majority criticisms with the Franchise... so it will be interesting to see what they do about the Majority of Criticism regarding Alien Covenant  because it sets up a Sequel that points to a continuation of David as the Creator of our Xenomorph in ALIEN which i am sure a Vast Majority are not pleased with, so maybe we will get more Plot Twists/U-Turns to come.

 "any explanation to this recursive question of "who made them" will NOT satisfy a lot of folks "

I agree with most of your reply, also regarding any direction to take and those Questions from Prometheus and Alien Covenant, i do think its maybe unlikely and especially now that any sequel would answer any of those things.  Not to the depth that Prometheus Fans would want, as its now a case of a more Spoon Fed Route where we may get a few answers from the previous movies, but indeed its now about Focus on WHAT David does next and WHY, and i do think our Engineers Return will mainly be a Plot Device used to Obtain the Derelict Space Craft.

" That is, not only they shun technology, they reject all other life forms that they have not created themselves"

I think thats a interesting Paragraph i took this from, indeed it would be interesting to Ponder what Reaction the Engineer would have IF David looked nothing like a Human.  I think he would be Shocked and Intrigued to have something that clearly looks Non-Organic yet this piece of Metal is talking to the Engineer in his Native Tongue... i am sure he would be like WTF!  But then would a part of the Engineer be Fascinated by this Mechanical Construct.

Regarding the Heresy of other things they had not Created, i think this is interesting and who knows.... One thing to think about is they appeared to have a Worship/High Regard for the Xenomorph.. well the Mural, and is this a creation from scratch..  or a Creature they had not created that they came into contact with and saw the results of the Parasites Life Cycle and began to Engineer and Experiment on this Organism THEY DID-NOT Originally Create as far as the Parasite that lead to their experiments... Then we can wonder would a Faction of Engineers taking interest and experimenting with this Organism be considering a Form of Heresy and contributes to their FALL?

Regarding Music... i think it would have been interesting to see how a Engineer Responds to David or a Human who plays Music to them, indeed Music seems to be a part of their Technology as far as communication/activation of their Technology, the Deleted Scene we saw the Engineer was very interesting and perplexed by the Violin Girl, and some drawings/concept works for Alien Covenant does show those Engineers did have Musical Instruments and so yes Music is Universal..

" because it assumed people would have watched Prometheus."

Michelle thats Certainly is a valid point, i kind of also think that Alien Covenant may have gotten some who had not seen Prometheus, to then go and investigate this movie or watch it again to maybe see where this David had come from to the point he arrived in Alien Covenant.

"its clear that switching to an ALIEN prefix was viewed overall as a chance to start again and bring the minimum amount of the investment of Prometheus forward"

Certainly seems to be the case for the most Part which is a little unfortunate considering Ridley Scotts Vision.  But i think and as the Wayne Hagg part refers, they are just take what few things are Necessary to carry over to drive Prometheus Directly to ALIEN and so many things dont need to be covered in order to Join the Dots to ALIEN, which i find a disappointment.  But a lot of stuff from Prometheus could be seen as Unnecessary Filler Material thats not needed to get from the Derelict back to WHEN/HOW/WHY those Eggs were Created and got onto that Ship.

"oh yeah what were the answers he found out"

This is a very good Question, because it appears its likely he Did-Not know too much more than all of Dr Shaw and Holloways work on the Ancient Aliens/Gods connections.  Who know what information he could have gained from the Limited Hologram Recordings and Engineer Writing in the LV-223 Complex...  The CROSSING video kind of points to David Discovering the Engineer Ways after Dr Shaw was placed into Cryo-sleep and so its interesting to ASK what exactly could the Systems on the Juggernaught had informed him about these Engineers?  Did he go back to LV-223 for a Snoop around to get more Information?  As indeed would the Engineers have a Wealth of Information about their WAYS stored on that Ship?

"So the creation story and the soul story have been hung up and are out to dry and we are left with a silly war of the worlds scenario and god for bid W-Y turning up and Daniels a Queen."

Certainly something to be Concerned with as far as Depth/Explanation to any reasons WHY the Engineers turn up and get involved, beyond a simply Looking for Revenge and to ONCE and for ALL Prevent Mankind and our Creations (David) for influencing the Galaxy and all the Careful laid Plans and Agenda of the Engineers... where i dont think we will be shown much of teh actual Ways of the Engineers, but just another Aggressive $"£%£$^ out to Kick Ass.

Hopefully this could lead to another Movie where we can get more about the Engineers History and Agenda... but and especially NOW.. its a case of this being unlikely.

@ignorantGuy

Thanks for your suggestions.

For me the BR series is about how you define what life is and the drama is driven by humanities fear of Synthetics and their reaction. Dick and the movies do some neat things to show how the new form of "life" can work. It has great fabric is highly idiosyncratic and one I would keep away from. 

For me the Prometheus Sequence is about creation and what its key currency is that drives it and whether we have a responsibility to adhere to that. As its an engineered world, thats an adjective not a noun, whether its biological or mechanical it is still a construct a house in which "it" needs to reside. 

One of the things I did not consciously consider, it just happened but where David and Elizabeth arrive that David is A I is not important to them actually it is an advantage to the story. It is how much "It" he displays which is important and because of their perception skills he can not dissemble anyway. Thinking about it he doesn't even try with them.   

David makes judgements about what to do in a given situation and makes mistakes but he is free of apartheid and therefore at least can get to make them and be treated like everyone else and grow but thats just socialisation. its interesting to look at the opening sequence with Meredith and see how those types of scenes work now after all those years with Elizabeth.

@Thoughts_Dreams

Nice to hear from you. I think the first thing to say is I am writing a continuation novel and as you know action works completely different on the Page to on the screen. However I think the narrative has momentum its just that its introspective and thoughtful rather than like the 3rd Act of Alien Covenant. Indeed I just read that last act in the wake of your comments and I found it uninteresting because the proposition was so hackneyed whatever its pace.

The point I make up the thread is not to be self abasing about people being bored witless its simply to acknowledge that there are a vast range of fans of movies that are captured within the franchise and I am right at one end of that spectrum where Prometheus despite its faults is great for me. So if I carry that torch and do the opposite of Wayne Haggs remark I also want to be honest and say many people will find what I have done not to there taste. Ironically despite all that I have put the meaning of the Derelict Juggernaut right at the top of the hierarchy of thank god it never got where it was going.    

That posted before i finished... so i will continue..

"To me there can be no soul since robots and AI are artificial."

So indeed RS was asking WHAT IF there is nothing Special about our Creation, or if we look at Evolution then we are beings who Evolved over a Billion years ago from Basic Life....  There is NO GOD and when we die we become noting but ASH/DIRT and so its a Question of If the SOUL is a Spiritual Essence of a Human that can Live on in the Afterlife then we do have a SOUL but if this is not the case, then we DONT have a Soul and so then in context to David he is proposing that all we are is a Bio-Logical Machine, and that David is a Synthetic Machine/being and he is trying to show us that a AI can Evolve to a point of being more than a Machine that cant think/act for itself and the DANGER of this once a Machine/AI becomes Sentient.

This fits with the Theme of Creation/Gods on various Levels... because its always a Tale of Sub-Creating and then your Creation becoming Sentient independent and Rebellious (having its own thoughts and desires) where FREE-WILL is similar to a AI becoming Sentient.

Sadly these themes do-not please everyone especially using AI in context and also even the overall Creation Theme as far as being given too much Emphasis.....  A Bold Plot...  But maybe just showing the Engineers/Space Jockey as a Alien Race from Far away with NO Connection to Mankind... apart from maybe going around World to World Destroying them for reasons only to then use their Worlds.. would this a more simply Plot had been better to have explored?

"Add to that a sadist and a tyrant"

Indeed i think the development of Davids Character from Prometheus could have been handled a bit better, but this does fit with the Theme of Creator/Creation, Father/Son,  King/Prince and showing Rebellion and wishes to overthrow their Creator/Father and King and become the King/Gods now is a Theme that Prometheus was exploring not only in relation to David, but Mankind before him, and Engineers before us.

I think you have raised some good points.... there is a Problem with the Franchise/Fanbase because while RS felt that there was only so much you can do with the Xenomorph, he envisioned that giving some Back Ground to WHY it was created was more important.

"It did not help that Scott said “I will give them fucking aliens” something like that."

I also read into this that RS had a different Direction Planned and to take the Franchise off to something different and steer away from Alien, where a Direct Prequels would just be connecting Dots, and if you Center it around the Xenomorph its HOW many times can you do this before it gets STALE... so its seems RS is venting Frustration that the Prequels had to Introduce the Xenomorph and become a Direct Prequel as far as the Time-frame of the Xenomorphs Origins... i could sense RS was not really a FAN of the Direction Alien Covenant has taken, in that we are not heading Towards ALIEN and not heading off on a different Tangent.

"To me it should be about the unknown, other civilizations, planets, humans that get into situations that they can not handle."

Certainly seems something RS was trying to do with the Direction of the Prequels before having to change it to a DIRECT Prequel route to ALIEN with Alien Covenant you would always need to have Humans introduced though... and maybe Humans from other parts of the Galaxy would not WORK, unless they spoke English well could communicate with Dr Shaw but it would be a bit too much of a Coincidence for this.  Maybe a work around would be to Discover Humans that had been taken from Earth just prior to the attempted Destruction and so kind of like the Noah's Ark Tale where some Humans had been taken from Earth for Safety by the Engineers and Dr Shaw and David discovered these Humans, Well their Ancestors... but then its would they speak English? Because that would be unlikely as Old English did not exist at the time the Engineers attempted to Destroy us. 

So we can understand why a Plot Change to introduce Modern Humans into the Situation made sense (Covenant Ship) but it was a mistake to a degree because it places our Engineers/Space Jockey Race a bit to close to the DOORSTEP of Earth.

"but to make that a creation of a robot made by humans makes it rooted too close to the humans"

I agree... while i agree RS view on it being more Sinister that in our Hubris our Creation (David) leads to Creating IT would be interesting, it also brings the event too close to HOME and makes the Xenomorph Less Alien and Enigmatic...  What they should have DONE to follow the THEME at play... where we see David is more Advanced/Perfect Creation compared to Humans/Engineers only he CANT Create Life...  I think David should have been shown to take the Engineers Blue-Print and Re-Create/Evolve his OWN version that is maybe more PERFECT than the Xenomorph..  The route to how he does this could Provide Clues to HOW the Engineers may have created the Original... while it keeps the Xenomorph Origin and bit Ambiguous and a Ancient Mystery still.

" You mentioned before about David being abused, sure that could affect humans but robot do not work like that"

and

"Nah, you need biology for that. AI are artificial"

I understand some do-not like the ideas RS is Proposing, he was asking a Big Question about Creation/Soul and trying to get us to Ponder/Think about Creation/Soul......   Are we the Creation of a Invisible Magical Being who created the Earth in 6 Days... and we are born/die as Divine beings with a Soul so when we Die (Provided we appease God) our Spirit lives up in Heaven happily FOREVER?

Well Ridley Scott did think the Franchise should be where a Star Trek/Star Wars are.....

This could only apply to his vision regarding CREATION as in the Engineers and what other Races have they created or have came into contact with.

Because the Franchise before the Prequels was all about the Xenomorph and Ripley and about Humans being placed in Jeopardy by the Xenomorph....   There was a lot of stuff in the Background (Company, its Agenda and History and AI/Synthetics) but these were never explored in any Depth...

And so trying to make a Star Wars as in release of Alien Movie after Alien Movie would just NOT work unless they introduce more than just the Xenomorph as Ridley Scott once said... "there is only so much snarling and Chest Pumping" that you can do before it well gets OLD and Cooked..

So it will be interesting to see WHAT Elements of the Franchise, (also considering what the Prequels touched on) and what route that Disney would choose to explore IF it considers making  a Alien set of Movies is worthwhile.

I agree that the Xeno has become less alien after the original movies but also the prequels have removed some of it although in a bad way. By the way it is Wampa not Womba (ooh I kind of show my geekery about Star Wars here, LOL).

Maybe you can answer where it came from but you do not need to know all the details (what it eats and so on). Some of the things should be left up to the imagination I think.

Yeah they did not think it through so it became the way it did. It did not help that Scott said “I will give them fucking aliens” something like that. We could see that he did not care about the Xeno that much in AC. I agree about how it has been used from AR until now. This is why I say that we need to see very little of it and keep it in the background and such. The most scary things are those that you do not see that is why it worked in Alien. You could probably write down the time of how much we saw of it and divide that with the total amount of time that the movie was and get a percentage of that, a percentage that would probably not be very much.

Sure I agree that they need to add some things but it should never leave the human element as the central thing because then to me the movie especially if it is a horror one loses its effect. This is why the prequels, most of it never works.

Connecting the dots, sure but I would rather do that then getting a bad answer. I believe that the prequels could have been good and with better human characters, better written Engineers and a better plot it could have worked both for AC and Prometheus. Some examples of this are many deleted scenes in Prometheus which could have made the movie better. A shame that the movie makers seem to think about run-time and how many that could see it instead of adding some minutes that makes the movie better.

Prometheus did alright by not having a direct Xeno but related monsters, I like that part a lot even though I still think that it is bad that we did not get the Xeno Fifield. In general it was an interesting idea but it was executed in a way that was not that great but it is still better than Covenant. The black goo is an interesting thing although it was better in Prometheus compared to Covenant.

I understand about the creation thing and that it is just that it is done in a way that I do not find interesting. What we get is a movie that is all about an evil robot and that is just bad no matter how interesting the themes are, add to that uninteresting human characters and you have a disappointment. Sorry but I will probably never like Covenant. AC was an accident, let me put it in that way.

I am totally fine with the Xeno as a weapon that the Engineers either created or found but to make that a creation of a robot made by humans makes it rooted too close to the humans and I do not like that.

Well the AI thing is not very interesting, soul or not what ever. To me there can be no soul since robots and AI are artificial. I understand why Scott wants to explore this but it is not something that should be in the Alien franchise IMO. To me it should be about the unknown, other civilizations, planets, humans that get into situations that they can not handle. Sure robots can be a part of this but they should never be the main focus because I can not identify with that especially if they are the main thing to me that would be like “yeah whatever”. You mentioned before about David being abused, sure that could affect humans but robot do not work like that so I can not really relate to it in that way. Humans  - sure, robots – no.

“Uploaded to a NEW Body would MAKE AI actually have a Soul so to Speak.”

Nah, you need biology for that. AI are artificial, but I do not think that is what Alien movies should be about so I do not care about it like that in that context but sure it could be explored in other movies. Keep the focus on that in other movies not the alienverse. To me that is not why I watch alien movies.

About the Engineers and their monuments that could be interesting but they need to be made interesting. With David it is not both because it is all about him and the Engineers seem to be more interesting because it is a culture not one example of a life form. To make it centered around one character was a mistake.

“… but for many he comes across as just a ROBOT.”

Add to that a sadist and a tyrant (because of how we was portrayed in Alien Covenant) and it makes it a lot worse. I do not care about him, screw that. Sure it can work if you sit and discuss/intellectualize it but it does not work in the movie for me at least.

Sure mankind is flawed but so is David because when you did bad things you are flawed and that is what David did. To me David is no better than Weyland so that disqualifies him from getting very much sympathy from me. Yeah I can understand him but I do not like him.

“… and it could be RS plans are to explore the Larger Role of AI in the Franchise and also the Creation/Creator Subplot where the Engineerscould be introduced back."

Don't care that much about AI in the franchise, leave that to other movies. Leave Scott away from it if that is his plan. I would rather have no movie than one about that. One where he would get the Engineers back and give them a larger role and to have better characters is something that I would give a try, oh and less David.

“But for MANY these are just a route that is not connected to the ALIEN Franchise enough..... This is thanks to the pressure on RS to introduce the Xenomorph and make a Direct Prequel series... as PROMETHEUS was intended to offer a different direction that steers away from ALIEN“

I should be closer to the Xeno but it should not only be about it. The Engineers are interesting and we need humans to care for. Once they get these things right that is when there is a movie for me to enjoy but the way it is now is just bad. To get the pressure to get Xenos into it is just Fox misunderstanding. That is not what the main criticism was about

If Disney has bought it at least something is happening so we do not need to wait that much longer to see what will become if it so at least that is something. Hopefully they will not make a Star Wars out of it (although Rouge One was alright).

Michelle:

I would not have minded a sequel where we get to know more about the Engineers. That could have been interesting but if they should have Shaw she should have been more like in the Crossing or whatever that was called and not like in Prometheus. David should not have been that evil as he was in Alien Covenant and the focus should have been less about him. The Engineers and their monsters and the goo should have had a kind of big part if I would have written the story but I probably lack when it comes to that so other persons better do it. Adding other characters than David and Shaw is something that I would have done because I am not sure if I would have found a whole movie dedicated to Shaw David and the Engineers to be that good since we need more and better human characters for that.

“The key building blocks of Davids character as portrayed in Prometheus do not lead to his behaviour in ALIEN COVENANT...”

Not automatically, I guess at least I did not look at it like it has to.

Another thing is that I think that they made David too human. I think that it is interesting to see how human an android can be but I still think that there is a line between a synthetic and a human otherwise we would not even need to talk about humans and robots.

“How might he achieve that. Well it does not involve denture chops or as Ridley put it dragons and all that ..…"

Maybe but I still don’t think that they should have made him that evil as he was in AC.

Instead of a David movie they should have had and hopefully will have (if we get another movie but I am prepared for a disappointment but hopefully it will be alright at least):

    1. Better human characters
    2. Less David but not as evil as in AC
    3. More about the Engineers
    4. More and better written about the connection between the pathogen (goo), the Engineers, and the Xeno
    5. Not David as the suppose creator of the Xeno and finally
    6. Maybe something about the WY company

The themes could be humanity, creation sure (therefore the Engineers), our place in the universe, corporate greed (the company). Maybe they could have had something more about WY in the next movie? That could be interesting depending on how they do it but I guess that there is so much that they could put in there. What is important is that they take their time and do things well, quality over quantity.

Alright here is where I am trying to be a bit more constructive and not complain. ;) This would be a movie that I would find interesting but I understand that there are different kind of ideas what an alien movie should be about.

“… it would be pacing of the first two acts of the assembly cut of A 3 particularly the nice stuff between Charles Dance and Sigourney Weaver.”

I like differences in pacing in movie, you can not have action all the time or slow things all the time. There has got to be a middle ground there, that is what I believe. The reason why the talking between Weaver and Dance worked was because of an interesting story, well done characters and that you need a mix of action and slow paced scenes where we get to know more about the characters. Maybe your story could work if it is not very slow.

Biodegradable: "I think this is the problem for FOX - who is the main target audience?"

Yeah I agree
It seems to me that different alien movies have taken different directions. Alien was a haunted house in space, Aliens was like an action movie with monsters, Alien 3 was closer to Alien but added different things which I really liked. AR was too light and comedy for my taste.  The prequels added the AI thing/robot stuff (that is how it comes off on screen so F it) and the engineers so now we have many things that people find interesting and I bet that very few alien fans agree about what makes the franchise good or that agree on which movies that they think are the best. This and also that the prequels have been disappointments (especially AC, P is OK) makes me wonder how they will get people to see another alien movie especially since they screwed up the last one.

Having different fans is good, it means that not everyone agree about everything. My favorite in the franchise is Alien 3 but I bet that many disagree which is alright. This makes for some interesting discussions as we can see here and on the AVPgalaxy-forums.

The Engineers could be something if we saw some more of their society, military, science and that. Yes they could have been better done in Prometheus but they were interesting enough for me to follow that story. There could be something interesting from this but unfortunately it got bombed in AC in favor of a mad android.

A War of the World movie could work if they get the Engineers right and the human characters but the idea in itself seems interesting. They need a good script and interesting characters for it to work.

"I have seen by the example of BR2049, that legacy means jack shit - if you don't target teens, females, dad & moms then you will lose money."

Well it is impossible to please everyone but you can try to make the important parts work (story and characters). These two things did not work with AC so I hope that they get these two things right. My reason for not watching BR2049 was because it was about AI which I got tired of after AC so I did not watch it because of that.

Ridley could mean quality but keep him away from the script since he seems to want another David movie. His fascination with David which is getting old and gave us AC which was a disappointment both for me and also look at how much profits it made. Scott is good with the visuals but should have nothing to do with the script or else we will get another David movie, which would be crap.

About the Engineer speaks clip from Prometheus they should have had subtitles to that because it explains a lot why they want to get rid of humanity. To not have subtitles to that is dumb since it makes it harder for someone that does not have time to get what the movie or a big part of it is about. Who ever decided to keep that scene out made a dumb ass decision, I do not care who it was. It shows how good the movie could have been it is just bad that they messed a lot of it up but it is still alright though. Covenant made Prometheus better.

“I understand what you both are saying and appreciate what you embarked upon. I tried to, superficially, interpret events seen from both movies, and as such I would and did reach conclusions that are understandably different to what you might end up with.”

That is totally fine, after all Prometheus and Alien Covenant (especially Prometheus) were vague about things. Some people might come up with different results depending on what they are interested in, what they have watched before and so on. I do not have a problem with this as long as the conclusions are logical. When it came to Prometheus my focus first was on how the Xeno came to be since there was much information in it and therefore I had to choose what I was mostly interested in. The more I have watched it the more understanding I have (hopefully) about the movie.

People might come up with different ideas and conclusions since Prometheus is kind of vague about things but that is fine with me. The ambiguity makes some interesting discussions which I enjoy.

“I just wonder about how much of theorizing we as audience should be doing.”

That question is totally legitimate. If you make it too obvious it is boring and if it is too many vague details it gets difficult to come up with some conclusion. What is needed is some middle approach or whatever to call it which I am not sure if Prometheus managed to get. I am a person that if I am interested enough I go back to a movie and try to understand something that I did not get before until I have some better understanding of it but not everyone is that interested/stubborn which I think is a problem with that movie.

Messy story, what to put on the screen. Maybe there is a bit of both? I have watched some extra scenes that make the movie better so at least some of what they did not put in the movie could have made it better (Xeno Fifield, the quiet eye, Weyland speech,  for example).

“You see I do not appreciate such writers at all.”

That is totally understandable.

Thanks for posting the image Ati, I like it.

Ho ho ho! Neomorph, I imagine Neo from the Matrix bursting out through the chest and says:

“Here’s Neo!” (A reference to the Shining for those that don’t know and I also got the Matrix in here, whohoo!!)

@Michelle Johnston, accord to Hagg nothing interesting happens as it is all bullshit (to be read as sarcastically as possible).

The end of Prom, for me at least, could very well hint at the Mercer plot-line from Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, so maybe you could also check that out.

And to be honest, maybe Fassbender was channeling the inferior Hannibal (as in sadistic and less redeeming) from RS' movie, not from the great Silence of the Lambs.

@ignorantGuy

The notion of male masturbation obviously passed me by I was focussing on the dialogue which suggest he is trying to groom him before the kiss. Michael is on record as channeling Hannabel. I saw "Silence of the Lambs" eons ago so I can not comment on how accurate Michael believing he was channeling him is.

Much more fertile ground is to return to the David of Prometheus or the wake up scene with Weyland and then role him forward and wonder how he might actually respond to kindness and the freedom to be whatever he wants within the make up of his creation. David cannot father children ergo he has no functioning sexuality and doesn't want what he cannot have. However he is fascinated by Elizabeths and the acolytes promise. Elizabeth cannot have children either, her paean in Prometheus, but that wish has been granted, and demonstrably she can, but not of her design, and the person responsible for that state of affairs is David whom she heals.... so what happens then?

I feel like sometimes they add too many sub-species of Xenomorphs... I want more sub-species but I also want at least a good nice chunk lore for each of them... like the newborn 

To be fair to any storywriter, it is bloody difficult to come up with a satisfactory story of origin of life - the jews tried it with their abrahamic religions, the scientists have bunch of hypothesis of how it all started from a big bang. But nobody in the world has come up with somewhat plausible explanation of how it all came together from nothing :)

So whatever they (lindeloff?) came up with is okay - that is it is equally rubbish as anything else in any case. One would be equally wise just to assume that say ... Magneto created the world... However, I want to wind down this nihilistic approach somewhat and actually try and get the story that writers came up with. Again, it is unreasonable to expect for this story to stand a chance of being analyzed rigorously but, I just wanted to see their gist of the story. Because it is what, 6 years now, two movies in and I am still at loss and finding it all on quite shaky grounds.

BigDave already suggested that they are just throwing it at the wall to see if anything sticks. And it indeed looks as much. And this is the sad part. Can't they just pay someone to write out a coherent story? Is it that expensive? Or is it that they are really struggling to make a movie which needs to satisfy lots and lots of stakeholders? FFs who is the engineer of this movie? He certainly deserves the massacre by black goo.

Just to take the piss, if there are gods in the ALIEN universe, then they made sure Covenant stopped from their original target - Origae, by a neutrino burst, and just as if by magic, they received the beacon from the planet just at the right time and if Tee was a bit out of place he would have never picked up the beacon. Interesting.

The most unlikely thing that could have happened - it looked completely incidental. It is super super unlikely, like one in a trillion of a trillion chance, actually even more unlikely than that. In fact the chance is so slim, considering the vastness of the universe that it is mathematically vanishingly unlikely, almost zero. And yet it happened. Now, the clues in the movie are such that (recall Oram - he believed in greater plan, that things happened for a reason) it is not to be taken as an incident. Recall that Peter Weyland who also refused to believe that creation is a result of incidental biological events.

So these gods wanted David to destroy those engineers. Huh? They wanted the retribution. They wanted David produce his children. They are fine with what he did with Shaw then as well. So, these gods are quite kind towards David. If not for this divine intervention he was bound to die of boredom on that planet. But most unlikely thing happened and he got all his wishes - his children, bunch of colonists in stasis and a ship under his command...so he can go on and carry his experiments.

Can you guys actually reject this suggestion as an absurd one or account for it? It is not easy to sweep under the carpet, is it?

@BioDegradable

The teardrop ship incident is billions of years ago. We have no idea who is the ship because the Engineers who were to appear were discarded. Ridley did not want God Rocking up immediately.

So the acolyte is a a unique vessel of the catalyser and has chosen and accepted the role of sacrifice. One of the big themes of a series of Prometheus movies.But I chose to believe he did it with the words of the chant ringing in his ears.

After that appearance by the hierarchy who probably terraform as well as catalyse their presence is implicit. That is part of the Damon Lindelof legacy you just need to know were to look.

The Engineers are mortal, they are merely a superiors species who created us so as Elizabeth said to Charlie who created them and more infuriatingly Ridley Scott in 2015 in an interview.

The key to creation is the Acolyte he ingests the catalyser and all that he is kick starts and moves on the development process. The acolyte has been with the  occupants of the Teardrop Ship and they provided the catalyser, so what helps take a raw unfinished world and turns it into an environment where forna and flora can flourish, creatures evolve and mankind stands up and civilise himself ? Theres only one answer. Thats what God is in this mythos.God in this mythos is not the guy with the deep voice and big beard it is much more and its in that chant.

Essentially this myth takes a certain part of the magic of our existence and bottles it.