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I think it is shameful to trash the concept of the Queen. If you take a minute to analize its impact on the series you would notice it adds new depth and sentiment to the creatures. The original Alien, though mysterious and very terrifying, had no discernable measure of purpose besides that of reproduction. With the Queen, we have indications of structure, order, purpose and perhaps even an identity as a race. Aliens showed they had a certain degree of 'reason' and as for the Queen, feelings. Yes, I said feelings. Jaws the revenge and Porcayo, both had an animal that was hell bent on vengeance. They acted with cunning and tenacity. That behavior opens up an argument that they were driven by more than simple instinctive responses. Just my thoughts. Plus the Queen is one Bad Mother...

personally, i hope there are Z E R O traces of anything that Cameron suggested, or ANY other silliness that was put forth in all the "Alien sequels" that followed this is Ridley's universe, as well as timeline, so i am confident that there will be none of the absurd "cockroaches / termites in space" plot dynamics. i am hoping for a truly A L I E N experience when i see this new film it's going to be a tough sell for some, there are folks who scoff at ALIEN (1979) and hold that film in low regard compared to the A.D.D. action shoot-em-up that "Aliens" turned out to be i think Scott is intelligent enough to walk the fine line between his ALIEN and all the inferior sequels that followed his groundbreaking film in 1979 first it was "truckers in space", then "soldiers in space", "prisoners in space", now, it's "scientists in space", so i am hoping for not only some truly profound concepts here, but also some really strong dialog, and amazing visuals to match definitely something to look forward to..!

I am in total agreement with @shardy.......first off, the whole ant colony/bee hive social biology Cameron brought to the series is famialiar to human eyes......we all remember what the title of the franchise is, right?....'Alien', ergo......the alien and any aspect there of should be foreign to human eyes........nothing about Cameron's hive/queen nonsense is foreign, therefore isn't frightening and, frankly, is pretty damn lazy...... .......second, nothing Cameron suggested made the alien any more intelligent or have any more "discernable measure of purpose" than Ridley did....Ridley's alien was cunning, discerning in its choice of when to attack and far from mindless or simply instinctive........why didn't it rip into the carrier to go after the cat, the closet living thing at that moment?......It rarely showed itself and was more ghost than animal...which made it that much more bizarre and terrifying....where the hell was it? and when would it [b]choose[/b] to show itself.... ....as to your statement, @Nuone, "The original Alien, though mysterious and very terrifying, had no discernable measure of purpose besides that of reproduction"......I recall everything the queen did having the survival of her progeny as her one and [b]ONLY[/b] concern....it's why she ordered the drones to leave the egg chamber when Ripley threatened the eggs and it's why she chased after Ripley once her young were all destroyed.....that seems pretty much to be all about reproduction...doesn't it?

@craigamore: great post there yourself. once again - - agreed!

Thanks @shardy...

This looks very much like the ALIEN movie we all love in the 70s. How this would relate to the Holloway's acid incident is still up in the air... They keep a really tight lid on the promotion of this movie. DARK KNIGHT RISES already revealed a 6 minute prologue & that movie opens one month after PROMETHEUS. AVENGERS images & trailers are all over the place.

Sweet!! Whatever is happening...it's not good.

@Engr101, I did think this was the lead up to the Holloway helmet scene, but I am not so sure after studying the images. Towards the end of the GIF you can see a face and I am more certain this links it to the inspection scene I have posted above. The scenes and pictures of this part of the film shows them with no 'helmets' on, so this is why in my mind I have ruled this out. Still gives very little, but as you say it looks as if Ridley is trying to capture some magic of the original...... @genjitsu17, is your name related to Ju Jitus? I've studied for many years, sadly not at present. I'm 4th Dan in Ju Jitsu, still don't fancy my chances against a xeno though :)

Thanks @Bellaisanalien.....this really does peak my my interest and it's got to be the most tantalizing evidence, of what I'm not sure, we've had in a long time. It definately is reminiscent of 'Alien', that's for sure.

The more I think about it, I think the Engineers / Space Jockeys are controlled by some sort of parrasidic organism Or they need to die off for their young to spawn........ I've been thinking of ideas that to us would be wrong, but for other species it would be normal. Lots of insect species and arachnids are eaten by their young, so I think we need to think outside of the 'human box'............

Lets look at the logic of what we see... Like bella says... Something organic opens, up (pale/light in color), and then something dark and organic shoots out and we see torches... My suggestion is that maybe something that requires a host organism to survive bursts from the remains of the Space Jockey found on the floor in the ampule room and escapes the temple using the mohawk guy as a host to sneak onboard the Prometheus and escape. He's not mutated, he's infected. Question is, what is it, why does it want to escape.

Looks promising...

it looks like an arm punching through the head, no?

@ Snorklebottom, I like your idea, best explanation i've seen for this "parasite" so far. The theory is sound and fits in nicely with what we already know.

Perhaps the creature needs fresh DNA to continue its evolution and thus generate a race. the Space Jockey has been dead for long, therefore the parasite needs a body alive and in good condition to continue its process. I think what he said Ridley Scott, little things that may affect large scale…

Or perhaps the parasite needs to make contact with a space jockey alive. It is possible that just want to use the human body as transport to get to the engineer and so become a weapon biologica really lethal and dangerous.

But anyway the more sure that plays an important role, perhaps related to the creation and evolution of a new breed...

@Snorklebottom, the only reason I think there are changes (possibly mutations) with the mohawk guy would be the bizaare way he climbs up the vehicle and jumps off; it has been described as 'super-human' strength, etc. It could be driven by a parrasidic organism though.....

I love that take @Snorkelbottom, but I also see where @Bellaisanalien is coming from.......I think you're both right and we're talking about two different events......................Ridley did say in one of the countdown teasers that "what they find there could eviscerate any one of them at any moment"....that's a paraphrase, but I get the idea that more than a few specific perils befall this crew, whereas in 'Alien', one crew member finds one peril and succumbs to it.....in 'Prometheus', repeat trips to this "establishment" result in multiple and entirely different injurious events that ultimately create chaos for our intrepid collection of little indians...........

Well done done BellaisanAlien I really think you have somthing, It seems so obvious the the creators, being so far more evolved, have done away with their original bodies and replaced them with biomechanically produced Avatars' !

So in theory, since the jockey we saw in Alien was a suit. The presumed chestburster that we assume came out of the him may have been the Jockey itself escaping from it's Host/Avatar/ Biomech Suit what have you, and not exactly the same type of chestburster which came from Kane. Leading possibly to perhaps the Jocky and Xeno being one in the same being? Just an idea.

No Problem. I've been thinking what I would do if I was Ridley; I wouldn't want to do something that had been done in films or sci fi already (I know that will limit things). a) Cells that take over organisms has been done in the Thing b) Parasites that bond with the hoast has been done in Star Gate and Star Trek c) Artificial humans going mad has been done in the original Alien and in Blade Runner d) Artificial human becoming human has been done in Pinochio I have gueses about what will happen, but I can't tie this image which with what happens to Holloway. I think as Cragemore has said we are going to have a number of surprises. I think the Ampules are going to be one, and this creature another. Perhaps the xeno is created through cross contamination of creature and the contents of the ampules.......

I like that last thought @Bellaisanalien...........the crew discover the ampules, extract at least one, tamper with its contents; meanwhile, they come in to contact with a kind of parasite, bring it back on board, intentionally or inadvertantly, and it ultimately comes into contact with the contents of an ampule, thus..............the progenitor of the alien is born...... .....that really kind of meshes with stolen fire subtext of the Promethean myth and the inevitable consequences that would result.

Oh I see what you're getting at. It would just be a parasite from that planet that stows away and later accidentally comes into contact with the ooze and mutates into the progenitor. Its a good idea but i think most people watching would see this coming as it comes into play; Ridley made it sound more like we wouldn't realize what was going on until around the last act. Besides creature+ ooze= mutated creature sounds like Ninja Turtles. I don't think anybody wants to see TMNT Vs Pinnochio, LOL.@ Bellaisanalien Like I said the other day I think you found something that a lot of other people missed and have found something to really talk about with no new material being released lately. I'm with you 100 percent that is the same scene with the head/eggsack. (you see, we don't always have to agree to disagree, LOL!)

You're right about one thing @Alien DNA......even if I am right, he's still got something up that sleeve of his and I have no doubt we'll be entirely surprised by it.........

Almost looks like the same creature being pulled from the urn in the trailer.

The thing that they are inspecting is the Space Jockey's decapitated head. The rest of the Space Jockey is laying directly under the inner door to the Ampule room, an inner door that is large and has a sharp edge (it lowers from ceiling to floor). Either the Space Jockey had a nasty accident, was caught in a trap or committed suicide and lost his head. The Space Jockey head does not explode of course as they take it back to the Prometheus for examination (parralelling StarBeast).

I think the thing that spits out the thing is humanoid. It clearly has an eye. [url=http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4893/thingwitheye.gif]Humanoid Big[/url] [img]http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4893/thingwitheye.gif[/img]

It does look like a face that thing's popping out of.......an upside down face, but a face none the less...............

In fact, watching that last frame before it changes to the second shot, I can see two eyes with the glint of light in them near the bottom on what appears to be a face from an upside down perspective...

I think he was getting at it would be more of a pure form of the Xeno, without the human factor thrown in. Maybe even more insect like. Which when you think about it, could be cool.

In an interview Scott said it's all about going back not going forward. He says we will see Alien DNA which the keen fan will recognise. There will be no Xeno's but a 'progenitor' to the xenomorph. I'm keen to see what the nasty thing is we haven't seen before as this may be completely new...........

@CharlieDon't Surf Which kinda makes you wonder whether the Xeno is supposed to get more & more human..

@Bellaisanalien has it right.

We may see several variations of the Xeno. I've read where Ridley has said it will be bigger than the Xeno from the original Alien movie, but I've also heard him say it will be smaller and more insect like?

thats what i meant by ancestor - it came before the xenomorph. but still you can always see a little bit of the parents in a child and vice versa....

Why is it necessary that Prometheus has a "progenitor" of the xenomorph from Alien? Will anyone be upset and disappointed if the film doesn't reference the xeno at all? I'm fine without a reference to the xenomorph. I'd be satisfied to simply explore the Space Jockey and its world.

I'm fine with either...I just find this whole exercise exciting, interesting and entertaining....

it might not even be a big element of the flilm..say we just see the proginator in a tube or somthing in some lab

Seeing the progenitor in a tube would be really cool. It conveys the idea that this species subjugated their ancestors and usurped their power like in the Greek myths. I have a feeling that the engineering life aspect is about the terraforming of worlds to allow evolution to happen, but also possibly referencing the aliens fictionally advancing our species from ancient homo sapiens to modern homo sapiens in the past; as the movie's explanation for the 200cc increase in cranial capacity questioned by archaeologists. I think the other creations, the monsters, had their evolutionary capacity increased to a greater extent than humans, and can now immediately adapt and take on the characteristics of the life-form they infect, passing them on to other stages of the creature, as well as other generations, until something it bonds with stabilizes the creature's rapid evolutionary advancements and turns it bio-mechanical... however the creature still retains the ability to inherit characteristics from the life-forms it infects to a minor degree, and continues to change shape as new monsters are spawned.