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Thanks Ingeniero.

How I would like that the “cataclysm causing the extermination of the adults … leaving no one to tend and nurture the young. But in a dark lower chamber of the breeding temple a large number of eggs lie dormant, waiting to sense something warm …”, that cataclysm to be the war of the worlds Ridley Scott mentioned for the next film. It would be a fantastic closing of the gap. How extraordinary if David takes the Covenant to the home world of the beaked creature.

Yes dk, we got old. Who else would recognize Krull.

when my subordinates argue

Riley Scott has said that BigDave and I'm sure we can expect something on the 3rd party (BIG GUY) he keeps referring to. We can still have a lot of mystery and still get a look at the origins of the mutagen and xenomorph.

Yes it would BigDave and I believe we will get to see London and the surrounding countryside in the late 21st Century if any of the prequel novel is made into film.

The image of the Star System explored by Mankind as far as O'Bannon

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Is indeed interesting, but indeed Prometheus has opened us up to a much larger Universe...   RS had pondered if these beings had created life elsewhere and also that Mankind may not be the only Humanoid Civilization in our Galaxy

Well Prometheus opened this up much further because the Engineers Holo-Maps had other Galaxies, which means they could not only and have not only traveled THOUSANDS or HUNDREDS of thousands of Light Years but they are aware of and can/have visited places MILLIONS of Light Years from Earth.

Earth ==> LV-426/223 or even to Planet 4/Paradise never mind Origae-6 are all but a drop in the Ocean of the Potential for the Boundaries of Space the Engineers are aware of.

As far as the connection to Star Beast and its Plot, indeed it would be interesting if they follow some aspects of this, but its a case of how Literal they follow it... if indeed they do...

Starbeast indeed paints the Giant Race discovered by the Humans as being another Race who fell victim to the Star Beast Alien, and that the Alien had a History and Culture to a degree behind it.

HR Giger had some vision as far as his works on the project, and a lot of his works and comments pointed towards the Derelict and Xenomorph to be connected, and the Ships are Grown and they Produce the Eggs... His Mural seems to show us this connection and that a Humanoid Race Self Sacrifice themselves to the Procreation of the ALIEN Species.

The Ancient Astronaut and Creators Plot is also interesting and it would be interesting to see if this is further explored in sequels.

Ridley Scott had spent a lot of time referring the Engineers to Fallen Angels and so its a case of is this still the case and how exactly this can link to the Plot of Fallen Angels/Demons.  There is a lot of Philosophy behind this Question... which indeed does link heavy to Davids Plot and Agenda.

*The Alien is drawn to Elgyn's body, sensing something. It peaks through the hole in his torso and gets a face full of shotgun. It arches back, falls over, and it's acid blood drips onto the floor and Elfgyn's body. 

The crew awaits for what is coming up from underneath Elgyn... It's Ripley! She pulls herself up and begins rifling through Elgyn's pockets. 

Hillard - You Leave him be!

Wow, a lot of new info I need to go over while I'm at work lol.  But real quick,

Ingeniero, "The "beak" on the creature that we see in the mural may be tendrils like the example shown in David's drawing below further supporting a theory of revival (by David) in regards to the sleeping horror of the xenomorph."

The tendrils and reference to "the sleeping horror of the xenomorph" instantly popped Cthulu into my mind lol.  Especially with the David drawing you posted.

"David may not have been stuck at all BigDave but could have been waiting on his "flock" to further experiment on. "

He certainly needed more sheep to experiment on, we can only assume all the Engineers had been exhausted and he needed new Hosts or the Humans proved to be the more Perfect Choice for his Experiments.

A thing to consider is Dr Shaws Reaction to stopping the Juggernaught "if we dont stop it there wont be any home to go back to"

So David could have gone to Earth and Bombarded it.... but then i think David does need more Fresh Bodies who are uneffected to continue his works... i wonder if the sequel would touch upon if Paradise/Planet 4 actually had Ships that David could use and explain why he did not or could not do soo.  I know the Novel touched upon it, but its a case of as far as the Movie Franchise goes. Was the Juggernaught that David had taken from LV-223 and that Docking Ship the only Engineer Ships or not?

It will be interesting to find out if this is followed or touched upon in the next movie.

Guess if they used any more Poor CGI it would be a Animated ;)

Guess with the Flute playing it had a bit of a Musical?  Judging by Reception i guess maybe its a DISASTER Movie ;)

Well i guess Prometheus was Adventure i guess?

This must mean Alien Covenant was a Romantic LOL

Also indeed it would be interesting to find out what layers of Creation their are and surely there has to be at least ONE maybe more layers above our Engineers...

Ridley Scott had teased us that the Engineers are not GOD's... and that we have yet to meet the BIG GUY so maybe he has something planned for us down the line?

Nice ;)

I think indeed it would be interesting to find out the final pieces of the Puzzle that turns our Evolution of the Xeno-Strain to what we see in the 1979 ALIEN movie.

Ridley Scott has stated that we are not quite their yet...

We have however seen the result of a Bio-Mechanical Suited Engineer Chest Buster, which gave us the Deacon which was more flesh like much like the Neo-morph, and yet the Human Chest Busted Xenomorphs in Alien Covenant are more Bio-Mechanical but not quite their YET..

So it will be interesting to see what Final Piece is required to turn Davids Creations from Alien Covenant into the more Mechanical Looking monstrosity that we saw in ALIEN

bigDave -

How awesome. 40 years and they deliver us the final piece in the prequels, leaving us at the nostromo. Apparantly RS said it would lead right the way up to the signal being picked up.

That could change.

Also, has any one noticed RS has changed the wording in his slogan in interviews. Pre A-C release it was "Why has no one ever asked about him, the big guy in the chair. that is where we go next". TO "Why did no one ask where these creatures and this substance come from".

Which means bye Engineers hello Alien:A:I

Interesting information...

and indeed DK Stewie Griffin could certainly be more insane and Evil than Hannibal and David 8 combined?

I just wonder if David has a Time Machine like Stewie to undo all the wongs and please the Fanboys ;)

If we assume The Cartel is his next gig then it could still be likely that Shooting could commence at some time in 2018 for a 2019 release which would mark 40 years after this JOURNEY into the Alien Universe began.

I think FOX may indeed be tempted to forgo many events leading to what a direct Alien Covenant Sequel would be, much like they did with a direct Prometheus sequel.

There are as of the end of Alien Covenant about 17 years until that Fateful event that leads the Nostromo to LV-426, considering a lot it geared towards we can assume Origae-6 as the next stop for David and his Creation... this would leave 9-10 years prior to Alien.

I wonder if FOX instead of giving us TWO movies to Answer that Big Question left by Alien, THE SPACE JOCKEY i wonder if they would choose the next movie to take us to this event... leaving another movie to cover other events prior?

I think it would be just fitting if we finally get the ANSWERS 40 years after those mysteries were left?

This past week on Jeopardy an answer was in reference to science recently announcing the chicken had come before the egg......I suppose this holds true for Alien, as well!!  HAHA!!

It would have been nice to had seen what Earth was like in the Alien Timeline as far as the late 21st Century

Very cool! Let's see if Scott can deliver a commercial and critical success with The Cartel! I'm not sure if the next Alien movie is actually next on his docket, but damn I hope so!

You are most welcome sherris.

Thank you for recommending Prometheus: Art of the Film and referring to these images before. 

I took it that way too in regards to the origin of the mutagen and eventually the eggs' history.

Ingenerio -

Thank you so much. This is my most interesting aspect of the whole franchise. You delivered on your promise ;)

I think it is the bird faced creatures hands holding the egg. Same fingers.

I think the Bird Faced Creature had some involvement in the first Xeno egg.

When the original early script started "This is the blood of our lord...." i assumed it was the pathogen which some being has created the bird creature giving it his own blood. So the Bird Faced creature carries the true blood of the lord. Which is the next level of God we may come accross. The "pure" pathogen comes from sacrifice of the Bird creature. Then it is diluted massively to create the Pathogen

Just a thought i had once....

many more...

Great work again Ingeniero!!

I was skimming through most of it and will go back and read the script.

That should help explain a lot Cerulean Blue and would definitely tie to the deleted scene with Dallas and Brett from Alien.

@Ingeniero - HAHA, I remember Robert Downey, JR. as a Morton Downy-type of despicable bottom-feeder-type!!  HAHA!!

Thank-you very much for this news!!!

@Ingeniero - Absolutely!!!  When will we answer the elephant question in the room of 'WHY'???  Along with this, we should be able to learn of 'WHO', as well?  These are still the burning questions I have.  I like AC, just do not really care for the story of 'HOW', be it David re-animated the eggs/Xeno/motes/Neomorph, etc.  Why do these creatures even exist & Who started all of this chaos?  AC helps, but it is far from the story I am needing Sir Ridley to get back to making!  I honestly hope these answers take (2-3) more installments!!

@Ingeniero - Thank-you for the link to the Starbeast script!  I have not read it since 2012, just before I saw Prometheus.  I will read it again, when I have some more time to do so.  Most important to me is the synopsis I just re-read, & how Dan O'Bannon spoke of the coccooning/morphing ability of the creature, NOT A QUEEN!!!  YES!!!

Awesome.

"And it is a high time to make a movie which mocks our fascination with serial killers."

Oliver Stone made a film that mocks our fascination with serial killers red0guy. 

Iron Man gets killed in it and Tommy Lee Jones is excellent as the warden. 

Thank you for the topic Lilly (Svanya). I love reading about character development.

@Lilly (Svanya) - I agree with the post, as I had always thought of David as a Hannibal Lecktor influenced character.  Mostly due to David's lack of empathy to any & all things....dead, or alive!  I keep waiting for him to say, "Love the suit" to someone!!  HAHA!!  Great Post!!

Thank you Ati for setting daliens image upright.

"Some extinct creature from the engineers' mythology, the true origin of the xenomorph?"

Also, thank you for the image daliens and I agree with what you wrote above and I believe the mural shows an event. The throwback to the original concepts is very exciting. 

Early Script

"Hill and Giler added some substantial elements to the story, however, including the android character Ash which O'Bannon felt was an unnecessary subplot"

Alien Anthology

An early script is here.

It also looks like O'Bannon wasn't really excited about the budding AI angle of the story.

What impressed me in the early script (link above) was how many planets there were (see below) in the map as of 2087. The first definitive measurement of an exoplanet was in 1992 and the script above is from 1976.

Horror.

I've only had nightmares from 2 Alien flicks: A:C and A L I E N.

A:C is still a hard watch for me. Very disturbing movie. I haven't become jaded enough for this type of horror.

red0guy I always liked Verhoeven and I have watched and enjoyed his early european films. His movies are very wild because he does not give a s#@t about political correctness. Among his american productions I think Robocop was the best. And talking about Fassbender as David in Covenant, he also channeled Vincent Price in  my opinion. The second act is just like one of those Hammer studios or Roger Corman productions from the 50's. He gave me the Hannibal Lecter vibe only in the last scene.

Just a thought... What if the beaked creature is an alien like the ones from the original O'Bannon script? We saw Ridley Scott used in the prequels a lot of materials from the original script / concept art that were abandoned in the making of Alien 1979 for various reasons. 

In Dan’s original conception the Alien race had three entirely different stages of its life-cycle,” Ron Cobb explained when talking of the purpose of the pyramid. The Alien eggs are tended to “by the third stage adults and housed in a lower chamber of the breeding temple. When ready to hatch, the egg is placed in the middle of a sacrificial stone and a lower animal, the equivalent of an alien cow, is then led on to the stone. Sensing the warmth, the facehugger springs out, attaches itself to the animal and deposits a foetus into the stomach.” At some point in the planetoid’s history, a “cataclysm causes the extermination of the adults … leaving no one to tend and nurture the young. But in a dark lower chamber of the breeding temple a large number of eggs lie dormant, waiting to sense something warm …”

joylitt

I've seen Basic Instinct only after 20 years of it's release and judging that it appeared in the same time frame as Robocop and Total Recall, I thought it was a parody of the machismo of the male protagonist. Ironically, M. Douglas plays a parody of his other characters in the decade. The true killer in the movie was stupidity.

Returning to Hannibal, he would have never killed agent Clarice Starling. But anyhow, every reference to him make him more boring. Why can't we imagine something new already? And it is a high time to make a movie which mocks our fascination with serial killers.

 Ati thanks.

Very creative ideas that you can imagine!