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Yeah, David dropped some Black Goo on our server and the Engineers got fried... LOL
In actuality though we did experience some server issues and I was online with our support team for the better portion of 12 hours working to resolve the issues. Took us a while but we finally broke through and have since stabilized everything. Site should run smoothly now. Sometimes though, outages like that do occur for a number of different reasons.
Okay this was great LOL sharing this to Facebook
Kethol That's what I was gonna reference lol Fifield inhaled it.
I mean, the hind quarters of the Proto seems... Bony. I am not sure what there is to deduct from an examination, as I lack in knowledge on biology. Especially of a made-up creature!
With the CGI issue coming up again, I have to say again that the CGI is fine to me. The only two things I can say that felt off were when the Proto climbed down the Covenant's ladder and the CGI slime dripping off of the beast. Otherwise, it didn't bother me.
I do like the idea of a suicide, that would be an interesting turn! Still, I think it's either death by Xeno, Engineer, or human. I mean, depending on the story they choose for the next adventure(s), all three would make sense and should be very meaningful.
I vote for David sacrificing himself to complete the bio-mechanical Xeno or complete some crazy experiment.
Thombach, I finally got around to grabbing some HD closeups of the individual particles flying in the swarm. The image upload size here is really small, so you can't see much, but in slo-mo on my 7' HD projection screen, the detail is easy to see. This is about as clear as they get.
When they fly the shapes seem to be jagged edged, almost like big flakes of ash. They do move and "flap", but I can't make out any specific wing shapes. The "lurching and stabbing into new shapes" line form the script is actually a pretty good description of how they move.
There are a few shots where they swarm and attack a couple of Engineers, almost like a bee swarm attacking a person, covering the mouth and eyes. What lands on them are just jagged and blobby shapes though, nothing specific. The film makers probably never intended them to have a specific shape, just to apply some logic to how they displace air and fly.
Nice thread Ingeniero. I think you have the Fifield part backwards. His face shield was splashed with acid, then he fell into the black fluid, then when he got up face shield melted onto his face.
If you look close at the scene, tiny holes form over the mouth area of the shield as Fifield is screaming and he inhales. I think his contact was from inhaling, not necessarily skin contact.
We also have this report filed from David to Weyland from the Weyland website. I know that stuff is just loosely canonical and it contradicts the movie in places, but this graphic was meant to show the effects on Fifield's inhalation (left) and Holloway's ingestion (right) and basically follows what we see happen to them in the movie.
Fifield was infected with the pathogen that leaked from the urns onto the floor. The pathogen Holloway was infected with was from a different urn that was not leaking. The effects each had on the subject are completely different.
I thought the CGI effect look good myself. The xeno movements in a few shots were a bit iffy, but overall it looked very good, as did the neo's.
Check out dat ass! Thic af <3 Lol Jk I thought the Xeno was beautiful in CGI. I don't understand how it looks bad, if it was like PS2 graphics or something that would catch my attention but overall I thought it looked believable.
The eyes are too human like. But a really good idea.
@AdamPD
Here is a slight misunderstanding.
I meant their real/current homeworld is probably much more advanced (than planet 4) and they have longrange scanners for incoming objects. Be it asteroids or ships.
They are probably so advanced tha they can make a realtime holographic map of their solar system with all objects that move, even if they are at very high velocities.
So they would be better prepared than that primitive living lifeforms on planet 4.
I like both practical and CGI as long as they are executed properly and look decent. Covenant mostly used practical when dealing with the actors but was replaced/enhanced with CGI after post-production and I thought it looked really good (examples being the back burster, the chest burster, and the Xenomorph on the lander) but the only scene that bothers me is when he's going down the ladder. I know it doesn't look 100% real but neither did the original movies, no offense (examples being the chest burster, the Xeno itself, Ash when decapitated, and any time they used a vehicle in Aliens). I still enjoy it though either way but there's always room for improvement. :-) I also had no problem seeing the Xeno in broad daylight cuz it's a beautiful creature and scary no matter what lol Damn thing will rip your head off!
Is this how the Engineers find out about David and Planet 4? lol
AdamPD said "I thought the CGI was terrible in Alien covenant."
I agree that there were a good handful of scenes that needed better CGI quality too. Still, some people on this forum don't think so. I don't understand it either.
Unusual bottom, beyond doubt:
A plot involving 20 Walter colonial soldiers:
AdamPD - 'Maybe the scream we heard in the recording wasn't a xeno after all, but the screams of the engineers whos heads were exploding.'
Exciting possibility!
As for the scream in the recording, we do not know what it is. Is it a scream? I'm not sure. I compared the 'screams' and I think that the Deacon scream is different.
A relevant question: why do we hear only that 'scream' at the beginning of the recording? Why don't the Engineers shout or speak in the recording? They are running but we don't hear their steps. Strange!
AdamPD - 'But, that still doesn't explain why the bodies were piled up against a door/wall or why/how their heads were blown out and how they got infected too.'
I think Alien Covenant explains the why the bodies were piled up. We see the same during the bombing scene and later when the crew enters the plaza at the huge doors: they were escaping but weren't able to get out in time.
It is probable that infected Lv-223 Engineers were not able to enter the room because other Engineers had closed the door.
Hmm just thought of something, perhaps one of the engineers, or the two who's cryopods are blown open, managed to get the liquid on to themselves without realizing it
They left the pressure/atmosphere sensitive room (Like the ampule room), at which point it atomized (As David says it does) when it came into contact with the air inside the juggernaut or tunnels in the pyramid
Not realising they were now infected (Like the two humans on Paradise) they went into statis, but they birthed two...."somethings", which is what you hear in the recording.
But, that still doesn't explain why the bodies were piled up against a door/wall or why/how their heads were blown out and how they got infected too.
Maybe the scream we heard in the recording wasn't a xeno after all, but the screams of the engineers whos heads were exploding.
I loved the entering the valley scene, they're flying around and that guy says No radio, no electro magnetic energy, no emissions (something like that), as if it's a dead planet
But then they just happen upon that area.
It's really atmospheric, not just because of the visuals, but their reactions and the music too.
I thought the CGI was terrible in Alien covenant.
The scene where the Neo is attacking the lady in the med bay was just awful.
The neomorphs in the field scene I thought was great, though
It was all happening really fast and I Really enjoyed that scene.
@Gralen I don't think it's possible, even for the engineers, to pulverise the Juggernaut millions of miles before entering orbit, because it never entered orbit
It dropped out of warp/hyperjump into the planets atmosphere, very close to the ground infact.
Perhaps the Engineers hadn't discovered any civilisation out there which rivalled or was close to their level of technology.
So they would have no reason to open fire on a ship of their own making, which seemed to arrive and dock properly, for all they knew, it was their own gods/people coming home after a long mission.
To the OP, good catch with the lines on the planet surface!
Most if not all of the engineers tech seems to be either hidden, or integrated into the natural surfaces of stone, like the temples on Prometheus
They obviously have some form of electricity, given that David had automated lamps in his cave.
I noticed before the drop ship leaves Paradise there are some large carved doorways of some kind in the mountains too, so perhaps they live underground, due to the extreme weather on that planet.
Is it really bad CGI? Maybe the beasts just look really shitty in that morning light. I've seen pastey white kids that look like bad CGI in the daylight.
Yes, Gralen, David 8 can test your patience with all this tinker with genomes to digest humanity stuff.
Who was the Jockey and how did his cargo come about.
First of all we have to restate the purpose of the Prequels, to answer the question who the Jockey was and what did his cargo represent.
Answer
Our creators the Engineers began sub creating (The Promethean element) and out of retribution and punishment emerged the Alien Pathogen which is essentially super charged over sexualised reproductive energy which is deeply unsympathetic to its target, reproduction without a moral conscious which turns on its creators.
In Prometheus it should have been laid out very clearly that the Jockey was just another pilot with just another form of a radicalised organic element which was intended not for earth but to return to Paradise and to corrupt the Lambs (the audience would know this through Charlie discovering the truth of the mural, which should act as a decisive pictogram which he (and we) would be able to read together with the evidence of the sacrificed Deacon in the headroom tomb, with a small amount of re organising that mural could instead of representing yet more confusion given a really clear answer which Charlie would half understand and we would completely understand ) but when Elizabeth leaves for Paradise she has no idea ratcheting up the tension between movies). Earth would receive the canister treatment whereas the Eggs were to be introduced into Engineer society as a corruption of their culture of sacrifice and introduce a gradual "upgrade" which ironically is suggested by that fabulous marketing mural which has turned out to be yet another false trail.
David (the android) and Elizabeth (the believer) set out and David is healed and should have landed to a Paradise Lost - where the "fall" reached Paradise. The audience knowing the Jockey failed in his mission to take Eggs to Paradise would expect Paradise to be Paradise but have a real shock when D & E arrive to devastation (clearly a Juggernaut with Canisters made it to the planet which can be discovered in the movie). This shock could have been very real given that if the Crossing had been included in the film we would have felt Elzabeth's excitement in the prologue David would learn nothing on his journey the emphasis instead on his perceived redemption (or not).
The critical tension of the story is all around David the mechanical construct who suffered slavery and apartheid and in his resurrection appears to have found grace but we are never quite certain.
Elizabeth and David discover the truth of Paradise launch the Engineers holograms and recognise the intellectual turmoil set out in John Logan's remarks and the truth of their demise.
Weyland Yutani the large corporate that symbolises the self serving, anonymous functionality of all corporates, arrive with their desire to acquire the Engineer technology connecting the main theme of the sequel sequence and of course both David and Elizabeth who have died by the time of Alien sacrifice themselves to cleanse the planet and stop W-Y.
The appearance of the teardrop ship is allegorical and simply wish fulfilment for Elizabeth it can be left as part of her dreams in death a little like Bowman in 2001. We can then be left to speculate as we do in 2001 on the notion of creation.
The first movie answers cargo/jockey and the second movie bursts out of the narrow horror and gore protocols and is allegorical, philosophical but full of invention through its examination of the Engineers and we find answers but are left with philosophical questions which is entirely right.
The audacity is in finding out the Engineers were responsible for mankind through a mechanical "gift" within the creation soup and our myths are half right they were lured by their hubris.
Two films for the elderly A L I E N audience and if someone wants to keep on making Xeno flicks ad infinitum then young directors and young audiences can restart with A5 and Ripley and Queens and smart ass marines.
I am an audience of one here the Xeno has no interest for me its a special effect which was brilliantly executed in 1978 and the only part about it I am interested in is who, why, what where.
So to answer your question first you have to remind yourself what the purpose of the prequels were check for answers and what we are receiving and then replace tired troped confused movies like A C and almost right but low exposition Prometheus with a ROBUST INTERESTING NARRATIVE which does not take years/decades to make its point.
That David and Elizabeth intrude on Paradise and discover a rich and creative past is like Bilbo's "Translations From the Elvish" written at Imladris and thats my other point Frodo and Bilbo mediated us into the vast mythology created by Mr Tolkien, David and Elizabeth could have done the same which links to my other point we have no mediation we can rely on indeed right now non at all except the unreliable narrator.
I have enjoyed this conversation and your thoughtful responses which without rancour or argument show the difference between two followers of these films but forgive me but my bank holiday resolution is to let this stuff go and wait for what we actually receive.
I will do some experiments with David as well, when i get my hands on him.
I wrote in another there here that planet 4 could be a recreation/sacral planet of that race with less surface structures/orbital structures.
They live there in harmony with the nature and the high tech reduced to a minimum.
You can even see they had some farms to grow crops/grain but no machines in near proximity. Probably done the work the old fashioned way mechanically.
If this would be the current homeworld of an ancient billion years old species David's Juggernaut would be pulverized millions of miles before entering that orbit.
The Engineers will be pissed when they find out their beautiful planet got destroyed. They probably originated from there but found another new (home)world in far reaches of our or another galaxy.
Yes! So agreed on all counts! ...David is very Hannibal-esque.
Much appreciated! I feel pretty strongly on this matter, lol.
(Also, I have to admit, I'm embarrassingly glad someone actually read it! I was afraid it was too much of a wall-of-text, so I thought my impassioned little Bishop eulogy had disappeared into obscurity, much like poor, unregarded Bishop himself. So THANK YOU!...for indulging my long-windedness.)
We certainly have a ways to go in evolution to get to the "Big Chap" in "Alien". The protoxeno is a great deal more animalistic than it is human. David's tampering/engineering will have to be readjusted en route to Origae 6 in order to get "there".
And, you're right, that CGI is worse than a high school graphic design class. I cannot believe Ridley let that go out into the world. It does look great INSIDE the ship, in the dark, when it can barely be seen, IMHO. That was the only time I felt true dread and where it came CLOSE to looking like "the" Alien we all know and love.
(Wren is now worried. With urgency in his steps to keep up with Perez quick pace, his voice naturally follows the same urgency.)
We don't perceive this as a problem.
I'd say Shaw.
And IRaptus, please, your mention of "that" thing makes me cry...but not because I mourned its death...quite the contrary.
@Vivisected well done on Bishop. I like it!
Shaw: I need to know why they created us and then wanted to kill us. I would like to express my idea according to this question. David knows humans according to his experience, so he feels his creation as a fierce and dominant race underestimating humans. He is the shepherd of his dogs, he dominates them, I do not think his death will come from this .
"Au Revoir Shoshanna"
the little chestburster in aliens. as soon as he was born he was wiped out of existance. he never got to feel the breeze on his (face?) never got the satisfaction of punching someones head in with his mouth. such an innosent creature killed long before his time. RIP
"Lol, ok red0guy@gmail.com , you're entitled to your opinion. Aliens 3 was shocking to me. Although, I really couldn't care less about Hicks, Newt or Ripley. They were not particularly sympathetic or compelling characters to me.
It's Bishop's gruesome demise that grips me.
I liked Shaw's death. Shaw was a complex and sympathetic character so I like that she was denied the answers she sought and that she was used as a tool to implement horrors she would never have condoned.
To me that's chilling and that's what I like to see in a horror movie."
I agree completely. I found Shaw's death far more horrifying than any Xeno could be. Xenos have the jump-shock factor, but it's over with pretty quickly. I find suspense and psychopathy far more jarring and a mind-f*ck. Why I love Hannibal so much! David reminds me of him...
The first few times I saw Covenant, seeing what David did to Shaw actually made me cry... It was horrifyingly sad.
but What is the creature?
I thought they were just unused scenes from covenant.
I belive that the last half with the action is from awakening but when she is asking muther about stuff and playing poker, it seems to lightharted considering david the phycopath is on the ship.
If somehow new synthetics like Walter know all the languages, he may speak with the engineers.
I also have the feeling that these are scenes from Awakening - 0:30
I also thought of a plot idea that has nothing to do with david. here it is.
it takes place sometime after alien 3. the last surviving engineers take a juggernaut ship to earth were they infect all of earths water sources with black goo. peoprle dont know what is happening but suddenly people are starting to mutate into the fifield xeno mutant things. I was also thinking that some animals would get infected and turn into some unique xenomorph strains. some peopel at the weyland yutani are trapped in a weyland military base ass the xenomorphs break in.
these all look great! the last one looks very close to being human.
