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"Love the Starbeast Poster too.  Good job."

Well its only a EDIT... i took one of the Prometheus Poster designs i found on the Internet and i Cut a Xenomorph Mouth Out and Placed it over the Poster and Merge/Blended the Lines a little.

I thought it was a Interesting yet different Space Jockey Design, that reminded me a little of some of the Ultramorph Designs, so i thought what would this look like with a Ultramorph/Xenomorph Mouth.

I also think this Combined design could work for the Space Jockey if we ever revealed it was NOT a Engineer.. But i cant see that Happening.

Regarding the Fresco i always felt it reminded me of this, Prometheus Punishment Fresco

The Connection to the MURAL?  I always saw the Mural was to show this DEACON was the Perfected Result of Various Experiments they Conducted, and ONCE they had achieved this ORGANISM they Sacrificed its DNA into those URNS.

Where does the Fresco FIT?  I think this could be some Precursor to the Xenomorph/Deacon DNA..  This Organism became like a Punishment for those Engineers, but then from this Punishment/Hubris they saw it had Potential and they Re-Engineered it to Create Various Experiments of which the Mural became one of those.

Fresco = Organism they had NOT created but saw the Effects of its Life-Cycle and Infection.

Various things in Mural which include those TWO Face Huggers was the Engineers Various Experiments that related/came from Experimenting with the Fresco Organism.

Mural Organism = A Result the Engineers felt was Perfect or Desired, that was then the Basis of whats in the Black Goo in those URNS.

That was my Interpretation... prior to Alien Covenant.

BigDave the electric chair comparison above is great...I missed it on the first pass and caught it while reading back over the comments.  That's so funny.

I love the Starbeast Poster too.  Good job.

"Royal" Engineer

The below images are what we looked at a while back when reviewing what I called the "Royal" above.  The image was enhanced to bring out the detail in his garments which looked royal to me.  

The Starbeast images you shared above do have similarities with the Royal Engineer beast crouched over, seemingly at the end of his arm.  For those who haven't seen egg photos below, they are from the same Prometheus art book.

Enhanced LV-223 Mural

What exactly does this depict and is the above beast in it?

The connection to the David Levy Prometheus concept art is wonderful and it would be nice to see something similar to the Levy art below as well in the comics.

The creature on the cover does look like it is sitting on a throne.

Thanks,

Def' not Project X but thanks anyway.

Seems like the movie has dissipated off the face of the earth. Despite airing on national Australian TV, many years ago.

Probably for depicting cruelty to animals and realistic (possible real footage ) 

As previously mentioned the astronaut training was very realistic, and believable which consisted of at least 1hr & half of training.

"The creature on the cover seems to have a bird like head"

It kind of does, but it also seems to look like it is some kind of Mask, and like a Tunic that both have a WOODEN look to them like they are from some Satanic Ritual.

The Mural from Prometheus did remind me a little of O'Bannon's concept for the Starbeast.

 I think it would have been INTERESTING to introduce a STARBEAST into the Franchise, i had thought of a Few Ideas on how to do so, and something Aesthetically based on a Modified ULTRAMORPH could be interesting.

The part about chimpanzees dying sounds alot like the 1987 film "Project X" (which I have not seen), but I'm not sure about everything involving astronauts. Sorry if this didn't help, but hopefully you find the film.

You're most welcome daliens.  

This drawing below from David's studies on Planet 4 looks similar to the beast above.

The creature on the cover seems to have a bird like head, which reminds me of the mural from Prometheus.

Thanks for the share Ingeniero.

Nice Catch Dark Nebula

It seems they may take some Visual Influences from Unused Concepts, but also would have their OWN take on some Designs.  The External Shot of the Derelict Ship for Instance... It almost has that look of like a CACTUS the Scale of the Ship Internally could be HUGE.

So maybe this ALIEN SPECIES will be shown to have SHIPS that appear to be Part Organic, Part Mechanical and maybe appear to be Grown...  HOW ALIEN will the Dead Pilot be?

I then WONDER if the STARBEAST Species Pyramid and Aesthetic will be something FAR LESS Technological and more like some ANCIENT BUILDING

Maybe the Dead Pilot (Space Jockey) could have a more ALIEN look, less Human but have some HR Giger Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic?

While the STARBEAST could be Very Organic, but something thats VERY much Lovecraftian?

@Ingeniero

I think that indeed any such Prequel to Alien Covenant would get Repetitive if it was just about David alone, and even with a Proportion of Interaction with Dr Shaw.

I think a lot of Fans were Hopeful to discover more about the Engineers, and so you have to think HOW can we show this..  Well what we have to remember is that David had LEARNED of their WAYS before he arrived at Planet 4, quite HOW MUCH he learned and from WHERE is interesting to Ponder.

But what we know for CERTAIN is that David would have had quite some time on Planet 4 without any Engineer Threats, and so he had become FREE to roam the City, to take a LOOK at every piece of Information, Manuscripts, Books etc of the Engineers.  It appears they WROTE some stuff down.

Ridley Scott had indicated the Cathedral Dome Building where the Hall of Heads was located, was where the Engineers had STORED all their Knowledge.  Such a place would be a Gift of a repository of Information for David.

So the Novel only has to have David come across some of this Knowledge and Begin to Read some of it, then we can CUT to a Flash Back Scene to give some details.

A Example.....

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INT. ENGINEER REPOSITORY

David walks among the Engineers Library of Information, seemingly Endless STONE STACKS each like Post/Mail Sorters.  He takes out one of the SCROLLS and begins to read its contents.

The Scroll Tells of a Ancient Time maybe many MILLIONS of YEARS ago, when it describes this Paradise of the Engineers was a Virgin World.  As David reads the History of this Place he discovers the Engineers Ancestors had arrived at this Place in the DISTANT PASS.  They had came to START ANEW...

FADE TO..

EXT. PRIMORDIAL WORLD

Among the Clouds of this Very Familiar World we see a SHADOW and a RUMBLING like THUNDER.  But this is NO NATURAL SOUND, it is MECHANICAL.  

The OBJECT now comes into view, it is  SHIP the VERY SAME KIND from PROMETHEUS...  The SHIP casts a Shadow over the Lake that lies at the Bottom of a WATERFALL

The SHIP begins to Descend upon a FLAT AREA just of a RIDGE by the  WATERFALL.  They are TOUCHING DOWN.

Dropping behind the RIDGE to a RIVER DELTA - RUSHING WATER as we HEAR A  TOOTH-RATTLING SOUND -- MECHANICAL.  All of a SUDDEN a METAL PLATFORM hits the FLOOR.. CLANK!

THREE FIGURES appear at the TOP of the PLATFORM they are ROBBED MEN or so they APPEAR.

As they walk down the PLATFORM we see FOUR MORE start to ADVANCE from behind them.

We ZOOM in on the FIGURES HUMAN and YET NOT --- TALL about EIGHT FEET TALL at least, BALD with NO SIGNS of any other Hair.  They all LOOK like OLD MEN, apart from ONE who appears to be YOUTHFUL

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I could go on, but the idea would be to show a EXTENDED Shot of the SACRIFICIAL SCENE with some Dialog between the Engineers to give us a Indication of whats going on.  We then have the Engineers Return to the Ship and it RISES UP.

Then we go to describe the Engineers Last Moments, the LONELY WALK to the WATERFALL.  We END this FLASH BACK as the Engineer arrives at the END OF the Waterfall and looks at the Sacrificial Bowl.

We then CUT BACK to David.

So you could use things like this to take us BACK to some Flash Backs for a Visual Explanation to what David has discovered.

Any dialog between David and Dr Shaw could have her ASK him something and as he goes onto EXPLAIN.. we CUT TO A FLASHBACK.

Amazing find Dark Nebula.  Very nice Chris.  

Thank you to you both. I'm really excited too and even more so now after the David Levy catch.

David Levy Prometheus Concept Art

This below is tough news for the brand as well, below, and related to Cold Iron Studios.

"Dark Horse Cancels Brian Wood’s Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat Over New Allegations

Dark Horse has confirmed to Bleeding Cool that the upcoming Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat written by Wood scheduled for September will no longer be published and they will no longer be pursuing new comic book projects with Wood." (source)

Dark Horse Comics

"Aliens Colonial Marines: Rising Threat delves into the formative years of the Colonial Marines. Tying into the events of the upcoming Cold Iron Studios videogame, this new series introduces Olivia Shipp, leader of a squad of battle-weary Marines who have defied orders to rescue the survivors of a refinery under siege." (source, Dark Horse’s Press Release)

This sucks because Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat tied together the novel Alien: Echo and the Colonial Marines story with the character Olivia Shipp and would most likely help promote the Cold Iron Studios Alien game as well.

Excellent find, thanks for sharing! I've also used our new "Front Page" feature option now available in the forums and have made a copy of this thread on the homepage - here's the link. 

Really excited for this!

I really hope this doesn't mean the untitled Alien title Cold Iron Studios are working on will be another BS mobile app...

That 4th panel on the last page... It appears they re-used one of the Prometheus Engineer pyramid concepts by David Levy.

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/ayx0L

Nightwish

I believe this is the band, below, mentioned by Alan Dean Foster and the concert in his Updates.

"untapped plethora of ideas"

Word.  

Untapped Ideas

Walter had just moments in the Alien: Covenant Origins novel...David could have the same, small part in a novel about Planet 4.  A whole novel could be written covering the history of Planet 4 and it's significance to the Engineer and Human history before the Prometheus mission took place.

Yes, a connected history or one and the same that was verified by Dr. Shaw's DNA-comparison-in-between-genomes glass display for Charlie.  I believe that LV-223 and Planet 4 were connected in some way before the 2090's and that would be great to read about. 

"So there is like a Extending Crossing Story to be Told!"

Yes there is and please cover the inside of this ship above when discussing the Engineer's ways.  And what planet is this shown at the beginning of Prometheus?

" It's such a vast, untapped plethora of ideas and concepts and story angles"

Certainly is... we have to remember prior to the TWO Part Ending, the Last Day in the Life of the Prometheus we saw the Juggernaught Crash, we had the Engineer get Face Hugged and then Dr Shaw had Recovered Davids Head/Body.

*4 Days had passed since then and until Dr Shaw made the Warning Signal/Escaped LV-223 in a Juggernaught.

*The Crossing indicates that they must have recovered some Supplies/Parts and Equipment either from the Wreckage or more Likely the Life-Boat.

*The Crossing also indicates that Juggernaught was Drifting in Space for Months before Dr Shaw decided to place David back together.. Looking at Hair Growth we can assume at least 6 Months.

So there is like a Extending Crossing Story to be Told!

Then we come to the Arrival at Planet 4. And from Alien Covenant as well as Davids Notes etc.

*We know that Dr Shaw had NOT died in the Crash.

*The Bombardment had NOT infected every Fauna on Planet 4 or it had NOT infected them Permanently

*It would appear that some Engineers must have Survived, include Females and Infants.

*Dr Shaw's Body seemed in Good Preservation was this something David had managed to do, or a indication she had NOT been Dead for Too Long?

*It seems David had vastly Studied/Catalogued a lot of Flora/Fauna and had Conducted Quite a lot of Experiments.

So yeah over a 5-10 Year Period Following when they had left LV-223 then quite a NUMBER of events had taken Place.

Thats surely room for a Story that would be Suited more to a NOVEL

Regarding LOST ON PARADISE... even if its NOT connected to ALIEN which seems the case, who is to say that its NOT using some ideas that maybe ADF had install for such a Installment that was Scraped.

I cant help but think that Raised by Wolves may use quite a bit of the Plans that Ridley Scott had for the Alien Covenant sequel that seems Very Unlikely to ever be made.

I cant wait for the Synopsis to the LOST ON PARADISE Novel, be interesting to see what it is about.

This game will definitely revolutionize the franchise just like Alien: Isolation did with its intense atmosphere of space terror! Can not wait! 

I'm surprised he hasn't written one already, to be honest. It's such a vast, untapped plethora of ideas and concepts and story angles. You could make an entire series on David's journey alone during the events between Prometheus and Covenant.

Soz.  It'd be great if he did do a David/ Shaw story.

eeeewwwww, S.M is the bearer of bummeresque news...

Thank you for checking on if for us S.M.  

I like the battle between powerloader and xenomorph.

I just emailed ADF and asked him if it was Alien related and he said no.

I saw it. No spoliers... My girlfriend and I were the only people in the theater! The movie lacked plot and character development. It felt like it was originally aimed at a teen audience and then switched to be more adult at some point in production or vice versa. My gf who's not an Alien super fan like me at one point said "This movie is just like Alien!" at one point. If you guys see it, you'll know where she said this. It's definitely a heavily influenced/Alien ripoff as you can tell from the trailers but it's just enough different to be it's own movie. Lots of similarities that i saw. Kristen Stewart is essentially Alien 3 Ripley with her buzzcut for one. The movie's premise had potential and the cgi was ok but the lack of plot leaves me giving a 5/10. It was fun movie but that might just be because I had a theater to myself with my gf haha.

I would agree with that Chris....  maybe SM has acquired further knowledge. Only Time will Tell.... maybe its wishful thinking?

But Certainly i think such a Story (Journey/Fate of Dr Shaw and Davids Shenanigans all those Years Alone) does WARRANT a Novel at some point.

Is LOST ON PARADISE this Story?  I guess we have to wait for Confirmation of what the Novel is really about.  I would suspect that SM may not be wrong though... they are usually quite Spot On with things like this.

Which is Unfortunate News for us :(

It is still FUN to Speculate about what such a Novel could have Covered though ;)

I have always felt that the STARBEAST ideas could be Explored to Introduce another Species to the Franchise, one that maybe are the Enslaves or Creators of the Engineers, i mentioned this a Number of Years back prior to Alien Covenant but i am not sure it would be Fitting with the Revelation of Alien Covenant.

But None the Less maybe something ELSE could be Introduced still...  as Discussed in this Topic among others.

That Mythos behind the Species that had Created that Pyramid in the O'Bannon and Shusett Original Version of the Story.

I had always thought of how that could be Introduced in the Years following Prometheus

I even did a Poster ;)

It certainly appears to have links and could be a title related to Prometheus / Covenant. Or it's a really massive coincidence.

"Lost On Paradise is not Alien related"

Thanks for the Head Up SM

Sadly indeed as the Events prior to Alien Covenant do Warrant a Novel ;)  Guess that means i could try and work on one or at least Summit a Very Broad Synopsis... it will be something INTERESTING to discus as there is a LOT of Mystery as far as what Happened on Planet 4 and there is a LOT of Depth that could be added to what we had Vaguely been Shown.

Under the Circumstances this is a AMAZING Project.

Even if it never really makes it into a Released Game, surely Melentev has shown what he can do on his OWN and a Games Develop will hopefully sign him UP as this guy does Deserve to be Working in the Games Industry.

"then David must have been able to set the juggernaut down rather gently on the waterfall without jarring Dr. Shaw enough to kill her"

Well Wayne Haagg had suggested the Juggernaught and Scorpion Ship had a DUST UP (Battle) and this lead to BOTH Ships Crashing.

There is NO reason why Dr Shaw could not have survived with NOT even a Scratch.

But on Screen the events still have a lot of Mystery and could be Explored in ways different to what was said by Wayne Haagg, the Juggernaught could have Survived..

David goes on to deceive Dr Shaw as i had indicated in early Posts... and she Flees to the Juggernaught and SHE Crashes it as she attempts to LEAVE!

In the Drafts its indicated that something had Caused the Juggernauts to become stranded on Planet 4, some Protective Field in which the Covenant Crew had to Destroy the Devices above the Planets Poles so that the Rescue Mission could come down and TAKE them Off Planet 4.

So it could be explored that something Prevented the Engineer Ships from Leaving and upon seeing Dr Shaw attempt to Escape but see the Ship could NOT due to what ever is Activated... this could then explain WHY it is that David realized he was OFFICIALLY Stranded on Planet 4

Or she simply could have LOST control of the Ship for some other Reason..

"Why does Alan Dean Foster devote time to confirming Walter is collagen-based (DNA) opposed to a synthetic like David and where does that fit?"

It did seem in the Viral Videos that maybe Walter could be a Synthetic Construct like ELDON was in the Fire and Stone Comics.

Which if this is the CASE or similar, then a Walter Model could potentially be infected with the Black Goo, could it be Infected with a Face Hugger?  That could be a bit of a Stretch.

But i think there is some reason for WHY it is that Walter is Constructed differently and i would NOT be surprised if the Intention was that this would play some ROLE in how we get from Davids Xenomorph to the more Bio-Mechanical Version in the Franchise ;)

So i think a AMALGAMATION was on the Cards.... Hopefully those Responsible for Merging them will NOT be David or a Human but the Engineers or beings Related/Above to them.

I think while the Characters were Fleshed out better in the Prequel Novel, we have to remember you are NOT really restricted to a 2 Hour Screen Time with a Novel.

It does show that her Character has potential and Waterstone could pull off a more Fleshed Out Character if given the Chance.

With the Daniels Dilemma i am talking about how to Proceed and also in Context to HOW it is that she is aware of who Walter really is..

Daniels and Tennessee are the ONLY surviving Members of the Covenant Crew that we had been Shown...

This does-not mean that some of the Colonist could NOT be related to or Friends with some of the Covenant Crew that were KILLED on Planet 4 and so how would they React to the News that their Loved Ones had Perished and under the Circumstances that they had...

I would assume IF there are Relations/Friends in the Cryo-Pods then the ONLY way they would Find Out what really happened to their Loved Ones would be by Daniels and Tennessee as i would ASSUME that David would Charade as Walter and give a Different Version of Events.

I will have to try and Dig Up the Comment and Interview regarding the Engineers being the Originals but he 100% did make that Claim, among other things such as they Live for 150 Years and they are not a RACE but a Civilization.

These and other Comments regarding the Engineers after Alien Covenant could seem to Paint a Picture for us, but i guess we will NEVER know what his Intentions are any more.

By ahead of the Curve he means that Prometheus was not really about showing HOW the Xenomorph was Created and HOW it connects to the Engineers, it was  a Movie that was taking a look at other things and so it seemed he wanted to cover more about the Engineers and what their Agenda is as far as NOT just being about Creating Horrific Bio-Weapons to Unleash on Worlds and more so what the HELL had happened on LV-426...  But its these things that a lot of Fans are more Interested in.... which is the route that the Comics give which is just to make them a bit DUMB! and just are PISSED OFF with everything they Create and just go around Creating Xenomorphs and Stuff to KILL off what ever they Created..

I think RS was look at more DEPTH than that.... he wanted to STEER this Spin Off in a Direction thats AWAY from Eggs and Face Huggers and all that stuff.

I think maybe we have to wait and hope he if mentions anything related after he has Released his Raised by Wolves TV Series.

The Prometheus Plot was maybe too BOLD for the Alien Franchise especially in Context to Pop Corn Shoot Em Up version that a lot of the Comics, Games tend to revolve around and a ALIEN Prequel should have maybe just gone and made it SIMPLE and into a Starship Troopers with Queens, Eggs and Xenomorphs....

I think in Hindsight something a bit more ALIEN should have been Explored as far as what is ABOVE the Engineers, something more Lovecraftian but i doubt we would ever see anything like this.

"The problem with AC"

To a degree then YES as far as the Engineers would have been up to similar to what David had been up to in Alien Covenant.

Lost On Paradise is not Alien related.

Sadly.

Looking at the Cover again, then i guess we could wonder is this going to the Representation of the Space Jockey (well Dead Pilot) but it does-not look Skeletal, but then depending on the Temperature and Environment and Lack of Organic Life then a BODY should not really become a Skeleton anyway.  It should look more Mummified.  So it would be INTERESTING to see how they Portray the Dead Pilot, and Aesthetically what this RACE looks like and how Skeletal/Mummified it would appear as the Concepts Prior to Consulting HR Giger looked way more ALIEN and unlike a Humanoid at all.

But the Image on the Cover has that Ritualistic Pagan/Satanic look to it.  And so it could FIT more with some Ritual Sacrifice, its a case of is this a Sacrificed Being or some Effigy to some Entity/Species.

I wonder if we would see a Scene like Ron Cobb's drawing of the Sacrificial Chamber?

The Human Space suit design seems Similar to what we see in the COMIC.. so who knows. It surely would be Interesting to see what they draw in terms of to Illustrate the Story.

I also WONDER if in Future they could do a Comic Series on one of Jon Spaights early Alien Prequel Drafts either Alien Engineers or Alien Genesis?

Really thrilled to see this game nearing completion!

Added the trailer to the post! Welcome to the site!

it'd be great if trailer was ain the post) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCpr-aGh9zw

You're correct Leto.  

My point in regards to the Space Jockey's absence in the book is that many consider the book canon with this major missing item.  If memory serves, Alan Dean Foster wrote the novelization for Alien in a few weeks...applause for that by itself.

In regards to how "canon" is labeled.  Alex White cites "canon" books that Titan is putting out (here).  

While I might be more quick to label a written piece "canon" Mr. White goes on to cover the official classification from the publisher in the article, below.

"So when it comes to presenting this idea to Titan Books – who has a lot of these extended universe “Alien” books going back to the nineties – how much do you need to line up with what’s come before? Is there a story bible, do you need to connect to the cannon films?

Yes, I had to pitch to Titan and the idea needed to fit into the canon books they’re currently putting out. So I couldn’t just pitch any old thing, I had to really workshop the idea with the editor, Steve Saffel, before sending the pitch to FOX who have to give final approval."

Daniels had a great part in the Alien: Covenant Origins novel.  While the Covenant was being constructed and filled up with supplies for the trip in Earth orbit, Daniels led a team to track down a terrorist and used advanced technology to counter his intentions.  

Going back to the origins of the Covenant crew in the next segment of film or series would be a great direction in my opinion for Daniels, Jacob, Lope, and Rosenthal at the very least.  

If I had to chose, then we would concentrate on Lope and Rosenthal.  She saves his life right before her job interview in London with him not knowing who he is at the time.

"Dr Shaw could Discover that some Engineers had Survived and she would be ANGRY as if they had attempted to SAVE some of them, maybe they could have GIVEN some Answers!

When she Finally Faces David she would DEMAND some Answers and he would likely still try and LIE to a Degree. I would assume this is WHEN he declares to her that he is doing this for HER.... so he can Figure a Way so that he can Help her to Procreate and so they can START a NEW Eden.

At this POINT i would suspect that Dr Shaw has LOST any Trust for David and she would want NOTHING to do with his Plans and would TRY and Escape!"

Thank you for going back to this BigDave.  To try and reconcile Dr. Shaw's belongings in a room in the temple on Planet 4 (Alien: Covenant novelization), then David must have been able to set the juggernaut down rather gently on the waterfall without jarring Dr. Shaw enough to kill her.  

Daniels showed an example of this by hitter her face and causing her nose to bleed upon waking on the Covenant while it was shuttering.  

So, if David was able to set down the juggernaut gently and then waited to wake Dr. Shaw until years later on Planet 4 once the plague had settled down, the room in the temple can be explained.  

The Egg on Planet 4

"I'm not happy with David being the (co-)creator....I'd Rather it be an unanswered mystery. (cosmic horror...something from the great beyond...unknowable)"

I believe we are still in the dark in regards to a lot of details MonsterZero.  My point is that there may be quite a bit to still be happy about.  

What if David's studies on Planet 4 were responsible for something like the xenomorph line in Alien: The Cold Forge and the "trials", below, were a precursor to a modern version still under study yet to deploy as a weapon by the Company?   

The xenomorph origin could then still be intact (and the Space Jockey) as far as an unknown, pieces of Engineer history that they were ashamed of and tried to hide only for David to resurrect much later, below.  

This, I believe, ties to the Alien: Covenant novel explanation of the egg David appears to use as a template for his studies.  The biggest questions I have are:

Why Walter?

Why does Alan Dean Foster devote time to confirming Walter is collagen-based (DNA) opposed to a synthetic like David and where does that fit?