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Sometimes the simplest answers are the actual answers. It can be hard to research though since there isn't much personal bio info. Perhaps someone asking him via Facebook could clear it up? Sorry, I don't do FB.
"it was for our vain glorious desire.."
Is David vain or is that his programming ?
I wonder how difficult it was for David....having to cut his beautiful hair....sever his hand...scar his precious face......Is this humanities true crime?
I always thought this would be tough for a human...to replicate such a switcheroo ....But for a synth? Piece of cake!....EXCEPT were're talking narcissistic David.
"until the evolve into a Ships."
Maybe but thats a lot of Ships ;) I have seen this theory proposed before and its interesting, and WHY NOT! maybe it requires more than ONE Xenomorph, maybe they actually use Organic Hosts to Mutate into Construction Material. A Ship that Forms from a Hive of Xenomorphs or/and the Souls of Organisms they Capture is quite interesting and HORRIFIC
The Fire and Stone Comics... DID SHOW the Deacon Eventually just Merged with the Temple Complex/Dome and became ONE as the Dome started to Grow. So those who worked on the Comics had to pitch this to FOX/RS so if this is not FAR FETCHED then Xenomorphs Merging/Forming into Derelict Ships is not Far Fetched.
Indeed the Concept work shows the Ship leaves the Hangar, which implies the Hanger is Pretty Deep... and Large.
But the actual movie it appears the Docking Ship is too Large for the Hanger. It certainly makes sense to have some kind of Border Protection and if we Accept the Draft and Novel, that there was more Ships but they was dis-activated, then it could be Logical that the Docking Ship was required to Activate them but after the Crash it was so badly Damaged that it could not be used to Activate the Juggernauts and could not be repaired to do so by David.
If this ship had Engineers on it, then some may have Survived but been Injured so would be easy pickings and NOT infected by the Bombardment for David to experiment on. Along with those who made it inside the Cathedral.
There is a WHOLE Movie that could be made to what happened between Prometheus to Alien Covenant, that could reveal Experiments, Torture etc. IF the Contamination lasted Weeks/Months then those Engineers Held up in the Cathedral Dome or Docking Ship would Run Out of Food and Water Eventually, certainly Food.
Emaciated Engineers would be Ripe Pickings... but imagine this HORROR.. there could be Hundreds that where in the Cathedral Dome or made it in time.... Would David Fend off Hundreds of Weak Engineers? or say 50-100? did it look like he needed/had that many Souls to Experiment with?
What IF some of those Engineers had to Resort to Cannibalism that would be a Shocking Plot to cover.
I also think one of the other Mysteries are about the Agenda of the Engineers, because the Sacrificial Scene seemed Important, the Reason is something interesting to Ponder. If it was to Destroy us Thousands of years after (Millions maybe) then its a Big Investment of Time.
Discovering what the intention/purpose for Mankind is interesting, and we have to wonder if it reflects certain Mythos and Religion. I think Prometheus maybe hinted to us that Mythos could apply to the Engineers, certainly those on LV-223 at some point in Time, but it could also apply to Weyland too. So we can Ponder if Mankind was NOT supposed to be more than Cave Dwellers and some Engineers took it upon themselves to Gift us Knowledge that we was not Permitted.
We could imagine similar with the Walter Models if say they Turned up and Dr Shaw was alive but lost her DAVID, and then seeing Dr Shaw influence and alter those Walter Androids to become Sentient and Free like David.. Then in the Context to the Mythos Dr Shaw would be performing the role of Prometheus to a degree, or Lucifer if we look at the Biblical/Paradise Lost account.
So its interesting to Ponder if Certain themes are Repeated, on Multiple Levels. I just dont think when Ridley Scott called the Engineers Fallen Angels he refers to them ALL and in context of Fallen = Demons =Evil/Wicked and Cruel. I think Fallen Context could be to Rise Up against the Limited Purpose they had, or doing things against the Wishes of their Creators/Hierarchy or/and interfering and passing on Knowledge that was Forbidden. Or they themselves obtaining this Forbidden Knowledge... But sure as Part of this they could be Cruel/Wicked too.
I think asking IF they are Evil/Wicked (Not Benevolent) we have to ask in Context to Who? The Slavery Trade would be consider Malevolent to the Slaves but not to those who Started/Used the Slave Trade. The Slaughter of animals for Food is not Benevolent towards those Animals but most of us dont see it as a Wicked Act... these are Life-Forms that are Insuperior and Insignificant to us, and we think only about the Benefit it is to us.. So i do think maybe the Engineers could see us, just as we would a Lesser Organism on Earth.
So they could be a Grey Area as far as Wicked/Cruel or not. The Sacrificial Scene Ridley Scott said was a Benevolent Act, the Space Jockey he had before mentioned in similar context... but these Acts could be Benevolent to their own kind ALONE.
So there is again so so much stuff we could have done with our Engineers, as far as Agenda and Background which we maybe wont cover much now.
The whole Space Jesus Aspect i take as RS explained it, he was a Emissary that was sent down, that we interpreted as Divine. And i ponder if they had sent others and even more than ONE and IF others on other Continents that had more Ritual/Ancient as less Corrupt ways of living and so they lived more in Harmony with their Emissaries hence the Later than 2000 years ago Star Maps.. Thats how i see it, but thats just a theory.
"because what Charlie is saying is we made you because we could For us not you "
Certainly and i agree with the whole of your reply, i think it was here or somewhere else the other day i gave reasons for WHY a Creator would Create Life. My point about the Holloway saying to David because we could, was because while i agree with your point, which i will elaborate on in a bit. I think it was more than just ONE reason.
The "we made you because we could For us not you" fits some of the reasons for Creation i mentioned, in that one reason could be for some Purpose for the Benefit of the Creator, which means not for the Good or Benefit of the Creation.
When looking at David there could be a number of those Reasons, for Weyland it would be a Crowning Mark of Achievement a Legacy for him a Symbol much like Ancient Pharaohs had Monuments Constructed in their Image/Honor. But then we see also David could have been Created as a Companion to Weyland but also as a Personal Servant. If Synthetics became a Reality then Companionship and to Serve and be used as Labor/Workforce would be TWO common uses.
These 3 things we can get the picture of with David, but then we could ponder other reasons too, like i am wondering (just a personal idea) if Weyland Created him for another Reason of Benefit to Weyland.. Which is that IF Weyland can created a Synthetic that would not Die/Age like a Human but looks like a Human, and then he can Master Uploading Weylands Memories, Experiences and Emotions (Soul) to a AI Program then Upload that to a Synthetic then to a degree Weyland has got his WISH.. Prolonged Life. I feel this as a Motive fits Weylands Personality and Character, but thats not to say this is a reason for Creating David.
So while we can look at WHY David was created and draw conclusions, we are left with WHY Mankind was created, which we have less Basis to form any Fact on, and is more open to interpretation and theories. And i think one of the BIG Reveals for a Prometheus 2 would have addressed this, which we can then had seen Dr Shaws Reaction.
Was Mankind Created for the reasons as David? I think maybe some, but its one of those Questions we all hoped would be answered. I also wonder if the LV-223 Engineers are Created for the same reasons as David? One thing the supposed Source Mentioned was David is more in common with the Engineers than Mankind. And 18 months latter when AC came out and i saw those Engineers on Planet 4 and then RS comments it got me thinking those LV-223 guys could be to Engineers on Planet 4 what Replicants are to Humans in Blade Runner, and if we look at this in context to Gods, then this could reflect the Planet 4 Engineers as Gods, Annunaki and LV-223 as the Angels, Iggi and so this would fit with those LV-223 Engineers being Fallen if they Perverted the intention/purpose of the Creation Tool/Gift but this is just ONE theory and the Beauty of Prometheus was it allows for many theories. So i think Ridley Scott and Lindeloff have to take some Credit for that, despite it being something some fans disliked (lack of Answers and Answers that Raised more Questions) but its this that allows for the Many Debates/Discussions on sites like this ;)
@BigDave feel we was not going to be shown we was Created because THEY COULD as Holloways Proposed to David as far as WHYhe was created.
The phrase is a truism. If the tear drop occupants rocked up and you asked them they would be able to say the same thing. There is subtext here Charlie is drunk what he is getting at and why David's look is full of repressed anger is because what Charlie is saying is we made you because we could For us not you it was for our vain glorious desire and thats not projecting listen to the Ted Talk we are the gods now. David who knows the truth about the planetoid always has been a head of the curve and by now has his answers then offers it to the audience would it not be disappointing if you found you had been made because you creators could For them not you. Saying because we could is a non reply unless your inference is for us not you and interpreting Charlie' reply in the context of the Ted Talk fits that.
If this story really is Promethean someone stole something from someone and used it without the blessing of those whom its power resides with. For the Engineers of the planetoid to treat the creation of mankind as a petri dish who turn up and show primitive man how clever they are makes sense. The only other option is they did within the grace of the teardrop occupants but fell afterwards. But three things are certain the created us, they wished to destroy us at the time of christ and they were eviscerated and no one has checked us out since, that might be important. Maybe "they" do not care or they got happy.
Ingeniero It might a refers to the Beast, as there are still flying examples of it. Now how big a plane enthusiast is Dane, could answer the riddle.
I love the Wayne Haag concept art for the ships (notice the juggernaut in the clouds). The image below tends towards the larger ship's hinge at the middle helps the ship change shape as it rises out of the dock recess.
The docking ship is seen below after the confrontation with David's juggernaut.
I am still leaning toward that Planet 4 is shown in the beginning of Prometheus.
The Beginning of Prometheus
The Beginning of Alien: Covenant
David opening his eyes to Planet 4 would add depth to me because it would imply what Peter Weyland knew and when in regards to the Engineers and their gifts.
That is so funny ignorantGuy and Gavin. I didn't even think of his initials. That is probably it.
I thought somehow all the mystery would wash away with some revelation about Dragon but chances are that the DH stands for the artists initials. Good job....
Hmm...I'll check out the fan edits...
Also making the Engineers villains would have made David a hero when he exterminating them in A:C!
"Thank you David! The Engineers have been a scourge on the galaxy for Eons.."
"I have more to this theory if anyone wants to hear it."
YES OF COURSE!
"lifespan of multiple universes"
I'm thinking about this too. Age of our universe 13.799±0.021 billion years and what if Engineers come from previous (parent) Universe. W
I'm thinking about this too. Age of our universe 13.799±0.021 billion years and what if Engineers come from previous (parent) Universe. What, if they started as Space Civilization already after ~1-2 billion years when Universe appears, and planets and stars was created.
hat i they started as Space Civilization already after ~1-2 billion years when Universe appears.
Judging by the fact his first IMDB credit is from '08, it might be his year of birth.
I think thats a Good Question...
Removing this would just bring us to the Ancient Alien Theory where all we can Digest is that Ancient Beings from the Stars Created us, (various theories) which connect to various creation Myths.
Upon discovering the Human like Engineers and the DNA Match we would conclude we came from them but it would be more VAGUE as to HOW we was created with the Removal of the Sacrificial Scene.
We would be more inclined to see the Black Goo as a Biological Warfare created purely to destroy us, where then the "sometimes to create one must first destroy" comment by David would have lead us to conclude the Engineers grew Fed up of us, and Felt the Deacon DNA they are Perfecting is what they will unleash on Earth. To Mutate us. (This in Part could be what was going on).
I still think the Sacrificial Scene was Important, but maybe it needed to be placed at a different part of the Movie, like some of the Fan-Edits had done.
Regarding the Birth of the Xenomorph, Alien Covenant gives some clues when we look at the Prometheus Cryo-Pod Engineers, that the Black Goo maybe can create Parasites inside that BURST out of the Engineers. But the sight of Hollow Engineer Suits, and the Exploding Head, Ebola References and Sacrificial Scene lead me to those Engineers breaking down... and Pondering that the Chest Busted Engineers are from a Organism infected with the Goo (Hammerpedes maybe). But with Alien Covenant it could be that some Engineers did not break down, but some Parasites Grew and Burst out of some of them.
"Engineers remain a mystery...Just some creepy alien race. NOT dealing with creating worlds...But creating monsters and cult sacrifices."
Maybe in Hindsight yes... but it could still reveal that this was the Purpose, that the Engineers worked for some other Race/Machine etc and they created us to replace them or they rebelled and Mankind was created to replace their purpose..
A War Between Engineers and these beings/machines could lead to the Engineers Winning and maybe then trying to decide what to do with Mankind... Then with their GODS gone... they could assume the role of GODs to us... This is just one possible route to go.
I think its more than Coincidence the DH are his Initials.
As for the 84 who knows... how old would you say he is? could 84 be the year he was born? But its unusual to have you Year of Birth on your work but who knows.
I found it hard to read that writing, Ingeniero as i have with most of Davids Notes...
The Xenomorph in Alien Covenant looks similar in some ways (Head) but the Body is not quite there yet.. Ridley Scott had indicated the Xenomorph in Alien Covenant has some way to go yet.
But to be fair when looking at the Xenomorph, the one in Alien Covenant is only really different to the one in ALIEN and ALIENS as far as looking more Organic than Mechanical, yet in Alien 3 and Alien R and the AVP movies the Xenomorph looks more Organic than Machine.
I still think the WALTER-MORPH is what will give us our Final Xenomorph, i just hope we are not going to see David upload himself to a Walter Model (which i think is FINE) but then to have him be the route to the Xenomorph (which on its own i guess is FINE) but i do Fear that David will upload himself to a Walter Model or Newer Synthetic thats Bio-Mechanical (which is FINE) but then i am waiting for us to be shown he is off to LV-223 to Mass Produce his Xenomorphs and then sets off to Earth in the Pilot Chair and gets infected by one of his Face Huggers, so he becomes the Xenomorph Origin/Space Jockey then reveal a Xenomorph Bio-Mechanical Queen that then causes that Acid Hole on the Derelict and disappears to the Cavern below.
That would SUCK!
I'm with Ignorant Guy on this one,
DH is likely the artists, Dane Hallett's initials, with this piece likely being numbered as 84, which would suggest at least 83 previous pieces of work - the question is whether that is 83 pieces of Alien Covenant art or just that this piece is the artists' 84th piece to date.
Fifield, yes. I guess Im like a Neanderthal version of Fifield lol.
Me, bash rock. Rock has pretties! Hazaa!
However the correct name is DH.84 (with a point not a dash). And the picture is not signed anywhere else so DH could might as well stand for Dane Hallett and just that.
If it is a reference to the plane, it seems pretty obscure and I wouldn't get it. It seems plausible though. It definitely looks deliberate and not like a random afterthought.
Great summation comment above BigDave.
"So i think the WALTER-MORPH or similar will be the route to the Xenomorphs Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic.
I wonder if David Experiments on a Walter or Similar type Synthetic. (This Organism then Rebels against him)"
Ah, BigDave, I see a couple of ways that could work out:
1) Walter would almost certainly prepare to meet David again similar to how David prepared to address the Engineers after they removed his head. Walter, "Nothing to talk or cry about, I must wipe you out David."
2) Or, they (AI) are on the same page.
Ridley Scott's Comments Regarding the next Film
A movie about AI could cover how the "biomechanical concerns" (below) came about and how the Engineer civilization synthesized the mutagen. Directing the film toward a major component of the story now, mutagen origin, could include beasts that we can't imagine that the Engineers developed over eons opposed to David scraping together a lab in a cave. And certainly those the Engineers answer to or may be in conflict with.
"With AC I'm not sure you can walk away from that film satisfied - it's like watching part 'a' of a two part feature - the 'b' (or even 'c') part is essential viewing."
Indeed they cant leave it as it is on a Cliff-Hanger...
Alien Covenant lends to a Sequel more than the other movies in the Franchise did. Problem is there are so many different likes/dislikes with the Fanbase, its how can you please them all.
And they have Written Themselves into a Corner a bit, and also where they are just fleshing out Plot to Plot as they just join the Dots to Alien.
"Soul to me is the mind, robots don’t have a mind and can’t think like that so robots don’t have a soul."
I can see that point regarding a Mind being Organic, but then when we look different at what is a Mind, there is the Potential for AI to eventually Advance, we could certainly see AI created that would fit into a Machine that would be more Advanced than the Mind of a Insect, its the Question of what makes OUR minds more than a Rat, Dog, a Ape.
AI is our Ability to Learn, to take on Information and Learn from this, a Baby is Born with only Basic Needs and Abilities, and a Baby left in a Padded Room, only Bottle Fed by a Machine, and Cleaned by a Machine would not Develop as many skills, memories as a Baby who is interacted with.. But even so this Baby would still think and dream, its just interactions are what helps to Evolve the Brain and Learn New Things.
What RS is covering is that IF we create a AI that can learn for itself, think for itself then we could be in TROUBLE.
Our Mind is a Biological Computer it is Intelligence but Natural, but one that requires years of Input to help build up this SOUL. If a Soul is our Collection of Memories, Experiences, Emotions these help Determine/Shape who we become... If this is the SOUL
Then IF a AI becomes very Evolved, then we have to ask can it have the same kind of Soul and IF a SOUL is these Experiences, Memories and Emotions that carry on in some form into a After-Life (Exist on after Material Body is Gone) Then we dont know 100% if this is True, but if a Advanced AI can have its Experiences, Memories and Emotions uploaded and then Transferred to a New Body then a AI in effect has some kind of After-Life.. I feel its these Questions RS was trying to get us to Ponder.
But these are not for everyone, these are more suited to the Realms of Blade Runner, and maybe it seems a Distraction to a ALIEN Franchise. The Whole Prometheus Plot makes for a Interesting Stand-alone movie IF it had NO Alien Franchise Connections at all.
*Engineers/Juggernauts that look nothing like Space Jockey/Derelict
*Organisms that dont look like the Xenomorph (but Prometheus they did not look exact anyway).
*No Weyland-Yutani Company.... but some other Company
Then maybe the Franchise RS intended would have been better, because by having it connected to ALIEN then people are always going to want Xenomorphs or those Answers... and going off to another route that is not connected would not sit well with a number of Fans.
The Engineers are interesting, i think with these guys though they have to be Careful because some Fans would want to explore the more Ancient Aliens connections, why they are our Ancient Gods etc, but other Fans would not be interested in this, and would have liked the Space Jockey Race to NOT be connected with Mankind at all.
But REGARDLESS of what Themes/Plot you are very correct that without GOOD Characters, who we can connect with who are not killed off for no Reason, then any Movie/Plot is limited with out well Written, Casted and Explored Characters.
This is something i feel every movie after Alien ==> Alien 3 lacked..
Would Prometheus have worked IF the opening waterfall sequence was cut?
Just start the movie with the cave and the paintings?
Engineers remain a mystery...Just some creepy alien race. NOT dealing with creating worlds...But creating monsters and cult sacrifices.
Engineer scenes remain intact except the opening one.
OR
Instead of a serene waterfall start to the movie, have the Engineer giving 'birth' to a monster/xeno.
"A:C, to me, is different than other movies in the franchise because we get more of a philosophical and musing approach that seems to drive the basis of the story"
AND
"I think it's a good decision to make the movies in a large franchise different is some ways because ALIEN would never work as a franchise if the same things just get repeated over and over again"
There was a continuation of the Philosophy that Prometheus had began, it was more in context to David/Weyland but then it could be a hint at why we was created by the Engineers too. I think Alien Covenant had to cover a bit of this Philosophy that Prometheus had, because it was a sequel to Prometheus, and in part if there was NO Philosophical Connections/Continuations then it may have disappointed Prometheus Fans. I feel Prometheus 2 would have covered more Philosophical Connections in relation to David, Mankind and the Engineers. And would have been a more Thought Provoking movie.
But indeed it appears FOX felt that leaving the Xenomorph out was a mistake and that the Purpose of the Prequels should have been to concentrate more on the Xenomorph Origins.
A lot of the Xenomorph/Alieny connections were Tacked on, as it appeared Alien Covenant was a attempt to give Prometheus, Alien, Alien 3 and Aliens Fans a little something, maybe a bit of Alien Resurrection too. But it appeared to try and Appease Many but Delivered not enough to Appease Any... not to a Satisfying Degree.
This in PART is due to the Limited Run-Time... if Alien Covenant was 3 hours then they could have spent more time on pleasing every kind of Fan to do a bit more Justice.
@Michelle
"who wants to create (oh really) because he is superior (by sitting in a cave on a rotting Paradise) how amazing"
Previous to AC i was always drawn to David being a Large Part in Revealing what Dr Shaws Answers would be, while she would be our Character to connect with as far as the Horror of finding out what she hopes for is not what she gets, and boy it would have been interesting to see how REVELATIONS affect her Character, the what would then happen to Naive Faithful Dr Shaw would her Character changed into potentially could have been EPIC.
But i felt the Sequel would have been showing us WHAT makes Creation and WHY and it would reflect back to showing David continue to do the same. I feel David finding out what they do about Creation and the Engineers and their creators would have lead to him realize these Mortal Beings are Seen as Gods, as his Creator saw himself by VIRTUE of being Creators. I think David would have seen himself as Superior and Felt that its his Destiny to Create/Show those Creators HOW to Create more Perfectly. I wonder if the reveal would have shown our creation was for similar reasons to Davids, and then the Engineers similar to why we was created, and i think at this point finding out WHERE and with WHO would have been interesting, the whole HOW MANY Layers of Creation are there above us and is every Reason for Creation/Sub Creation similar, or at some point was the Reasons Different.
When Alien Covenant came out, from Davids interaction with Weyland and Walter, the Flute Scene, the Ozymandias scene, i felt all seemed to be going the route that i had been led to from Davids Arc from Prometheus. Especially after RS started to tease about a Sequel in 2013.
I felt that Legacy played a Key Role, especially regarding Why David was Created and Mankind. But its always interesting to ask WHY is there Creation in context to our GOD Mythos and Mankind.
There are many reasons throughout various Mythos/Religions and it would have been interesting to see which APPLY to where Ridley Scott was taking us... As these could apply to WHY David was Created, WHY Mankind was, and WHY the Engineers were too.
I feel we was not going to be shown we was Created because THEY COULD as Holloways Proposed to David as far as WHY he was created.
I dont think it would have gone the Christian Faith, God Created Man to be Loved and his Pride and Joy. But maybe this route could have been WHY one Chain in the many Layers of Creation was Created.
Otherwise we do have these Reasons which appear in many Civilizations.
*Companionship. Because the Creator was Alone.
*Worship. so the Creator has someone to Praise/Respect them.
*Legacy so the Creator is Remembered, Revered by someone that can pass on their Legacy Acknowledgment of who and how great the Creator is.
*Replacement (Pursuit of Perfection) for previous Rebellious/Flawed Creation.
*Service. To serve and perform functions/tasks and Chores.
*Ally Contingent. To aid them to oppose/overthrow arch rivals.
*Some other Benefit to the Creator of Great Importance for their own Personal Ego, or Benefit to their Future.
There are other Reasons for Creation in Various Mythos but these do seem to crop up a lot, and NOT every Mythos/Faith has all of these but they do have some of these.
It would have been interesting to see which of these applied to Mankind and the Engineers Creation. We have a better Picture of WHY David was Created, and i think as he becomes Sentient and realizes he is more Perfect/Superior to Humans and Engineers, then the REAL Reasons he was Created would no doubt offend/disappoint him.
Certainly Michelle.. i do like to go into to much detail, i'm like that in real life, often over explain stuff when getting to the point is better ;)
I certainly think Dr Shaw was our Proxy, maybe i am confusing what a Proxy means so forgive me... I think it meant that she is the ONE Character we are supposed to connect to as far as the Journey from a Humans Point of view... Ridley Scott was posing Questions that indeed a lot of people would like to ask, some of the Biggest Questions in Life, IS there a GOD, is there a AFTER-LIFE (but it was more about a Soul) She was brought up with Religion/Faith but undertook Scientific Endeavors to find out the Truth, and Connections with Ancient Civilizations which then leads her to find a Connection between Ancient Mythos and Cultures and Alien Visitors. So then Shaws Findings would kind of Contradict her Faith.... so she would now also want to know ARE these beings who left those Star Maps our Gods, and if so HOW Godlike are they, WHY the Created us, WHY they never came back. Which after the Discovers she found out, left her with some Answers and so as to not keep going on... she was then wanting to find out WHY we was created, to then be Destroyed, and then holding onto her Faith she hopes to discover there is more to it than this and WHO created them.
She would have been who we can connect with for those answers, and its a SHAME she was killed off, because its hard to put someone else in this Role Now...
I Felt David was a Vessel to be used to show us the None-Human side, to Propose Ponder, that there is nothing Special about Creation and to get us to ask WHAT is a Soul... and also follow with the Rebellion/Creation themes that we see in many Cultures, be it GOD vs Fallen Angels, Titans vs Olympians and Mankind vs Synthetics
A lot of Philosophy, and Questions and ways to Expand/Explain HOW/WHY the Engineers and their creators are connected to OUR Mythos and Religions etc.
With Dr Shaw Killed off, and those Engineers but leaving a little bit of clues, it appears those Themes and Philosophies are not important no more and all that is... is HOW/WHEN/WHY the Xenomorph was created and ends up on the Derelict.
which is a Shame... as going away from Alien could have set us on a Journey with unlimited potential, but now we are heading on a Spoon Fed Joining the dots up to ALIEN route that Prometheus had initially not planed at all.
I look forwards to your work, as it appears those Questions may not be answered in the Future, or at least not how Prometheus had set up.
"I know rocks, and inorganic chemistry to do with rocks.... So Im probably barking up the wrong tree here relating it to biomechanics."
I think its best we ask FIFIELD lol
Some nice replies here, but i am not sure how we could Merge Machine with Organic matter, not as far as becoming WHOLE/ONE i think we could get Mechanical Components to to create Limbs and Stuff so we get Cyborgs... Other than that we have Synthetic Robots, such as David but also Terminators. But the Xenomorph seems to be more Organic and Agile.
The Beast was Truly ALIEN in its Origin at the point of ALIEN, due to HR Gigers Bio-Mechanical Style, and so it would take a very Advanced Ancient Race to Create such a Beast.. or a Advanced Machine.
PROMETHEUS began to take us on this Journey, were we could see Xenomorph Clues, but the results where ORGANIC leaving the Bio-Mechanical Nature a Mystery as the Xenomorph was more Mechanical than the Engineers Suits and the Deacon/Hammerpede.
However the Suits could connect with Technology and the Space Jockey Suits especially looked more Synthetic.
So its open to debate.... but we have to consider the PATH we are on, in that David Created the Xenomorph and YET his Xenomorph is more Organic.. but its getting there... It appears a number of Genetics from Organisms with a Exo-Skeleton came into play.
The Xenomorph (Especially Aliens) appeared to have some Exo-Skeleton similar to say Scorpions. But the 1979 Big Chap appeared to have some Mechanical Aesthetic.
Looking at the Set-up i think the Logical Conclusion is that a more ADVANCED Synthetic will come into play, that is a Synthetic Construct like ELDEN from Fire and Stone... and looking at WALTER he appears his Construction is getting more closer to that than David.
So i think the WALTER-MORPH or similar will be the route to the Xenomorphs Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic.
I wonder if David Experiments on a Walter or Similar type Synthetic. (This Organism then Rebels against him)
Or he uploads his SOUL into a Walter or Similar type Synthetic. (suffers a Hubris as he can then get infected)
Or the Engineers utilize a Synthetic Similar to Walter/David in a Walter Body, to Create the Xenomorph. (to their Hubris)
Ridley Scott claims the next movie is more about AI, and i think he is going the route that AI gets out of control and starts to Run the Show, Call the Shots and Mankind is not in the know (like Matrix)
Now if these AI become interesting in the Xenomorph as it was created by one of their own, but the Synthetic Construct Versions can be infected by the Xenomorph and Black Goo, this would be a Good Reason to NO-LONGER produce Bio-Mechanical Part Organic/Synthetic versions and stick to the Synthetics.
But INDEED some very good replies on here, looking at which kinds of Metals would be useful/beneficial to creating a Xenomorph like Bio-Mechanical Life-Form.
@BigDave
That makes sense, we don't really know much about the planet 4 engineers.
The Fate of the Space Jockey and what LV-426 is up for debate again i guess... With the U-Turn Plot of Alien Covenant.
Prior to that.. Ridley Scott confirmed the Derelict was related to a Juggernaught they are just a few Centuries Apart Technology wise (which makes little sense) but he had confirmed the Derelict had left its Origin but it DID-NOT get Far (which means it left LV-223) something Evolved in the Cargo Hold, got to the Pilot and knowing he was infected he set a course to LV-426 to Quarantine the Cargo and set off a SOS.
The Ship had intended to Land on LV-426 and RS said it did not Crash, well it kind of did or did it? RS said the event happened within a Few Hundred years of the LV-223 Outbreak that killed off those Engineers.
So must have likely been... Space Jockey Enters Cryo-Sleep like the Last Engineer Bob..... he awakens a few hundred years latter to carry on his Mission but his Cargo had Evolved, infected him, i am going to think he did not realize until he was departing that something was WRONG and then he laid a Course to LV-426 to Quarantine the Cargo.
But ALAS... all this is potentially changed with the David Creates the Xenomorph Route.
Regarding a Predator vs Planet 4 Engineer.
Looking at those Engineers they appear to be slightly Smaller than a Predator, but we dont know HOW strong those guys are, could they possesses Super Human Strength like the Godlike LV-223 Engineers?
I think those LV-223 Engineers are Genetically Enhanced, maybe Technologically Too (makes them strong) so i am going to say a Planet 4 Engineer vs Predator would be interesting but i think the Predator would Win, not easy but should Win, i would even say it would not be a Even Contest... more like a 65/35 in Favor of a Predator.
But being Serious, its hard to tell with our Planet 4 Guys.
They are Genetically related to Humans, and they appear to be 20% Taller Than a Human. But that does not mean they are just 20% Stronger.
The LV-223 Engineers it appeared they are protected by that Bio-Mechanical Suit thats attached to their bodies and this Acts as Strong Armour.
They appear to be 25-30% Taller than a Human, but they are much much stronger, like 8-10X Stronger.
So in a Straight up Fight LV-223 Engineers vs Predator then i think Unarmed a Engineer would Win, with not to much Difficulty.
It would be like a Human vs Predator.
However i think those LV-223 Engineers are Genetically Altered Engineers, and so a more Fair Match up would be the LV-223 Engineers vs the Genetically Altered Super Predator in The Predator
"I am talking about the robed ones, not the biomechanical Mr. Clean ones. "
Ive just Realized something.......................
Those Robed Engineers did not seem as AWE Inspiring as those in Prometheus, we dont know how Strong they are, but David must have Overpowered the Survivors (i have a theory on that).
So let me ask you a QUESTION?
Predator vs Superman
First on Earth....
Then on Planet Krypton
Ha ha... maybe thats why those Engineers are weaker, as they are on their home world, but on other Worlds they become Super Human ;)
Does that mean the Green Crystal is Kryptonite?
I love it but wonder why they didn't have the neomorph depicted with it's rather impressive teeth shown in a wide-open mouth.
I think an Engineer in a robe, barefoot, and hungover would paint the surrounding walls, rocks, and/or octagon green with glow-in-the dark blood. And not get his robe torn off.
Lone has a point though. Anyone wearing a robe would prefer the hardened pressure suit Engineer to handle the issue.
The neomorphs may have been a "one-off" event or a unique reaction unseen before when the mutagen meets a genome BigDave.
They certainly can live on in the tissue (tumors?) that David seems to harvest from their dissected head, below, at the area where you would expect the pituitary gland in relation to the brain/eyes.
If he used this tissue produced from the neomorph above to somehow produce the face hugger eggs, below, the neomorph may have quite the lineage.
I agree Starlogger. Great writing IndyFront.
I though Planet 4 looked unblemished too...a posh outpost or home where worry (and exotic fashion) is a memory to those living on it.
Good point Capt Torgo, below, assuming they met mutagen.
Excellent IndyFront. Thank you for recognizing the pattern BigDave. Great job to you both.
I tend to agree with you Leto on LV-426. And by "random" I consider LV-426 just nearby when a juggernaut suffered a malfunction or it was deliberately crashed into it.
The above are wonderful explanations that I can understand contributors, thank you. Good angle dk with the raw materials we have to work with.
Biomechanical Organism
What I got from the Alien novelization is rather light.
“The combination of the way those cells are aligned with what they are composed of adds up to something that defies all the rules of standard biology.
Those silicated cells, for example. They're metal bonded. The result is what gives the creature such resistance to adverse environmental conditions. anything new besides the silicates in the double dermis?”
Alien novelization, page 123.
ignorantGuy, there was a similar condition ("David being face-hugged" above) described in Alien: The Cold Forge but the affect was unsuccessful for the face-hugger because the android was synthetic.
On the other hand, if Walter is part organic, that Construct AI might be the "bridge" technology from organic to biomechanical...but who knows?
Left vague for debate? I'm pretty sure about that detail.
I think you're correct daliens.
The pyramid-shaped mountain behind Peter Weyland is similar to the O'Bannon pyramid in the opening of the topic, see above and below comparisons.
We might see a pyramid shown before in obscurity, below.
