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I've upvoted the topic because it was the first, but the title should be more like
ALIEN COVENANT SEQUEL IN PRE-PRODUCTION?
Thanks both for your remarks. I have 41 days in the same location in New Zealand beginning the 27th November. Thats when I aim to sit down and write up the ideas. I will get back to you both when its ready to be shared. In the meantime I am constantly brain storming. The over arching story is all there. I love the idea of saying "what does that mean" and find the answer comes out of nowhere !!
Can this be about the Merlin saga as many recent Scott collaborators were on board for that? All in all, if this continues strictly with plan RS had before the launch of Covenant, I'm not interested.
Good point could be a pitch ploy.
Or perhaps they are producing concept art to convince Fox to start production soon? Anyway, good to see some movement. Covenant was a bit hit or miss for me (absolutely love Prometheus), but I want to see Ridley's conclusion to David's story. And I want to see it before Disney get their hands on it...
There is some savage use of Autotune in all those clips.
Next click of that dial and you might as well use Stephen Hawking's vocoder lol
A couple of points.
My vision, as was the original intent, is to move substantially away from the mode and mood of an Alien film. As we know they never reconciled how closely narratively related P. should be to A. constantly shifting back and forth. My view is you absolutely nail the connection which has some story telling value and then move on.
2) You make a very good point about LV223 and once again we know the story was originally set on LV426. You have repeatedly made reference to how LV 223 cannot be left out of the story it is to big a lose end in terms of the residual knowledge of the Weyland Corporation - I deal with that to but not in away you expect.
Now when I write this up I will be looking very critically not at it's plausibility but as to whether it "feels" right. I am hopeful as I keep on playing the images back and dialogue back and forth that it will work.
As to the larger audience and whether the kind of story I envisage would have sold so as not to give the game away I can think of one recent science fiction film that operates in the same mode but the "pure"AVP type audience certainly would not like it.
Sorry but I'll don't have to say good thing about this subject. For me, the writing systems makes as much sense as turkeys in Spain before the "discovery" of the Americas by Columbus.
My biggest gripe with this cuneiform system is that it represents the letters from modern the Modern English alphabet, used for a very Ancient language (older then the Proto-European). Languages that sound different than English almost always add more letters, look at Cyrillic script or even at Swedish.
While there were Alphabets (see the Ugaritic script from 1500BC) that used cuneiforms as letters, it still lacked vowels, which was innovation of the Ancient Greeks (Myceneans), who had latters (vowels and consonants) but also special pictograms for certain words.
Ancient text also lacked punctuation marks and spaces between the letters.
There should have been 1 symbol per letter. So how can you distinguish between M and 3 H's ? Or X and 2 D's? Or between L and an incomplete BH combination?
Again this is not well thought out as was the wasn't the story.
But I wish you success in translating the stuff in the movie.
This might be OT but I cannot help but be reminded of Still Alive sung by Ellen McLain for the game Portal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxTNqYAWISs
That is pretty ambitious. Would you suggest there may be an alphabet of sorts like in Dead Space? Scribblings were seen everywhere but a translation was found on a wall as an easter egg.
IRaptus That was strange but not completely bad. It would be tough to watch that entire movie without a score though. That is a great clip to illustrate the point.
That said, for games I always shut off the score so I can better hear what is going on in the environment.
Seems a interesting list of Scenes Michelle i look forwards to when you begin and complete your project.
"I can think of a good many ways in which they could pass 120 minutes without resorting to bringing in yet another mission to be killed off and most importantly let go of all the A L I E N tropes"
I certainly think a lot of this could have Panned out as such, i think the Problem is Gauging what the Majority of Fans would WANT... You can get movies with Few Characters that really can WORK if they are done right. There is a lot of Dynamic that could have been explored with David and Dr Shaw...
Regarding the lack of Human Characters and Translations... i think this was a difficult thing to consider for FOX/Ridley Scott... But it does not mean we would have to bring Humans from Earth into the Subject.
We see those Planet 4 Engineers were much more Human looking rather than the more Fearsome Military Types we saw in Prometheus.. and so we could imagine the kind of Culture these beings had, the Bombardment Scene came across as though these beings were NOT just Aggressive $^&$%&* as Ridley Scott called the Engineers after Prometheus. so you could create Characters to connect with from Engineers if some are portrayed in a more Benevolent Way or are put in Jeopardy. David could have been a Translator/Narrator but there is NOTHING to stop a Plot Device Existing were Dr Shaw comes across or is given some Technology that allows her to be able to Understand the Engineers. Weyland had invented the Dream/Vision Visor and so who knows if the Engineers could have a similar Technology that allowed them to communicate with the various Races they Seed/Visit... like some Telepathic Link.
I think the route they took with Alien Covenant brought the Engineers too closer to Home, which could cause some Contradictions.. and In-continuity to the Franchise. David and Dr Shaw could have Traveled to a Engineer World that was THOUSANDS of Light Years away, and came across Not Only Engineers but other HUMANOIDS as i have said a few times on here, which goes in relation to Prometheus and some comments RS had made... Is EARTH the only World where Humans had been seeded? In the Context to our SPACE GARDENERS there could have been MANY worlds...
so we could have explored a World with Human Characters or Humanoids, who are Far Far away from Earth... just as in Battle Star Galactica we have another Race of Humans Far Far away from Earth.. which the Newer TV Series Expanded on more.. and also explored in Caprica..
I think a Problem may have been it would be a bit Tedious to have Dr Shaw not understand these beings, and having David to Translate, and have the Engineers or other Humans Speak Engineer and we have Sub-Titles.. It would be too much of a Coincidence if these beings SPOKE English.... But we could have had a Piece of Technology at some point used on Dr Shaw where she can then understand/speak their Language and then we at a certain point ONCE she is incorporated to this device or it affects her Brain.. We then hear the Engineers or other Humanoids in English.
So i dont think it was Necessary to Shoe-Horn in a Plot were Planet 4 was so close, just so that Humans could be brought into the Plot at the Expense of Dr Shaw and the Engineers.
So it will be interested Michelle to see/read your ideas ;)
My Prometheus 2 revolved around 55-60% based on the Company and what happens on that side of the Story, it was then about 25-30% about David and Dr Shaw... which would have covered a few things including Flash Backs from both their Past... with about 10-15% about the Engineers and Flash Backs...
i would have been setting up more about the Engineers for the 2nd Movie Sequel which would have covered David and Dr Shaws arrival at Paradise, while setting up a side plot to the Company's Mission to LV-223 arriving... which would have allowed a 4th Movie to Connect David and Engineers back to LV-223.
Ha Ha.... Thanks for the Share
The point about L of A is a good one because the principle overall is to take an idea that was hinted at in Prometheus and flesh it out. So if David is very familiar with the movie we have potentially only seen a small amount of its general allegorical impact on the tale and in particular how David would view his experiences in Prometheus : Paradise. However to return to Prometheus T E Lawrence was horribly manipulated by the establishment and David would see in Peter Weyland's highly manipulative behaviour the ghost of Dryden et all and would be determined to deal with what was to come and what he learnt in his own way. Oddly enough the intelligence he gathers (for himself) then plays into the repositioning of the story on the planetoid where David responding to the revelation of her healing kindness then takes her into his confidence. David was provided with emotional protocols something later models were denuded of that is why he reacted emotionally to Peter Weylands first instructions and every subsequent transaction, this is why I believe Elizabeths treatment of him had lasting impact.
My David is the David we see glimpsed in the Crossing and that together with the new information that David and Elizabeth find out on the planetoid leads directly into his more circumspect behaviour when he arrives at ... .....-.. .
I take your point I want to be grounded in the story of Prometheus and its themes but not WEIGHED down by it.
@Michelle Johnston, I like how you keep using references to Lawrence of Arabia. And judging of your ideas I might get a hint where this might go, but I'm hoping you will have inspiration to do something good with it ...
Ha- the dancing Xenos are pretty funny!
Thank you for your interest it will be in the form of a novel. If I may I would like to test the basic principles of the work.
Essentially it will deal with the themes raised in Prometheus.
1) The search for our creators and whether the Engineers depicted in the pictograms are our creators.
2) If they are our creators (the indications from Prometheus is they are but we at this stage do not know the relationship between the planetoid and Paradise) in what circumstances did that creation come about.
3) What is the meaning of the planetoid and its relationship with Paradise, as David calls it, toward the end of Prometheus.
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Part of that will include the meaning of the derelict and its cargo and where it fits in.
4) You created us (did they) why did you wish to destroy us.
These are the strategic story telling questions begun in Prometheus and which will be given an answer.
In addition at a tactical level a fuller understanding will be gained of :-
1) What David learned whilst the crew were in cryo sleep.
2) The meaning of the Urn Sanctuary.
3) The reason why the frescos altered and the storm "got up" when the crew entered the sanctuary.
4) Further explanation of the Engineer technology namely :-
a) Holograms.
b) The electro static paste which David "reads" and calls impressive.
c) The use of music to conjure up protocols.
d) The relationship between the Jockey and the machine and the console.
At an emotional level the story is essentially Elizabeths journey supported by David, the horrific truth she realises about herself and about .....
The structure of the story is :-
Prologue
Act 1
1) The Planetoid.
a) Co Dependent.
b) The Healing.
c) Building a Mystery.
2) The Crossing.
a) The special relationship.
b) Sleep.
Act 2
3) Arrival
a) "We love water and green trees".
b) The Lake.
c) Unwanted Guests.
Journey to Ixtlan
a) An old friend.
b) David returns.
c) Retribution.
Elizabeths Answers
a) The storm.
b) "The Vanished Gardens of Cordoba".
c) "So deep a malice"
d) "You are a small people, silly people, greedy barbarous and cruel".
e) The fountain.
f) Rejection.
Act 3
The Final Journey.
a) Reflections.
b) Sacrifice.
Epilogue
Obviously as I sit down to write each section new ideas will evolve. The horror is in the ideas and the enigmatic nature of the atmosphere of the story.
Alien: Isolation got a song too it appears
I can't think of any no.
But to help your case, I present...Jurassic Park with no music.
weird.
Davefried81 How honest of you ... :P
I really hope the deal goes through with Comcast. I am employed under the Comcast family and we are all hoping the deal goes through. My fingers are crossed...
Too bad that the AC's main mission was to reintroduce the Xenomorph... And to be honest. modern financially successful horror movies are full of jump-scares (including also IT here) and gore, so they applied the formula.
Ps. Can't wait to read your script if there is one.
Shaw - stupid and naive.
You often allude to this idea.
The Prometheus was on an archeological mission to a solar system to investigate the meaning of the hieroglyphs. There was no evidence left on earth to suggest the Engineers were anything other than teachers. No myth which suggested they might be wicked.
The Prometheus landed safely on a planetoid were there were no signals or signs of life. The crew tested the atmosphere and knew its chemical composition. If one discovered an ancient monument in the desert you would not turn up with guns and security. There was no evidence at all that it was an unfriendly environment.
As scientists they became aware of some kind of outbreak but what none of the crew knew was that the real danger to them came with the mission just as Ash was put on the Nostromo for counter intuitive reasons.
Why was the Prometheus mission a disaster because David opened the door to the Urn Sanctuary without authorisation from Shaw. Everything that happened flowed from the Urns being exposed. Shaw retrieved the head and was stubborn that would be seen as brave rather than stupid. It was a risk but the head provided the answers.
The rest of the jeopardy in the film arose from Weylands insistence that they met the Engineer by this time Elizabeth was the conscience of the mission and the heroine having survived her caesarian. She inspired Janek to destroy the Juggernaut which resulted in Earth surviving. She was dogged determined and after all the life changing transformative experiences knew she had to find the link with the Engineers and there home world. She was in sacrificial mode the highest state of human heroism.
What did the planetoid represent and how did it relate to Paradise.
Why did the Engineers create us and then wish to destroy us. Are they really our creators and how does the myth of a creation God sit with what appears to be an Engineered existence.
What was the significance of the Teardrop moment.
Specifically what did David find out during cryo sleep.
What was the impact of him downloading Weylands and Shaws (and anyone else's subconscious) in flight.
When they boarded the Juggernaut what did he find out about the Engineers.
Then we arrive at the Homeworld of this extra ordinary advanced civilisation that can create life (and probably terraform) and we receive answers to
1) What did the planetoid represent (which would lead to why they created us and tried to destroy us).
2) How did it relate to Paradise.
Character
You have the perfect set up of a co dependent relationship which will/should be transformed by Elizabeth healing David which would have given Fassbender something to really get his teeth into.
and all you can say is they would have problems understanding each other though David had broken that key. This is science fiction several answers can overcome that issue.
I can think of a good many ways in which they could pass 120 minutes without resorting to bringing in yet another mission to be killed off and most importantly let go of all the A L I E N tropes. It would have been audacious fresh and the horror would be in the ideas and audacity of the story not people being chased down corridors.
I think its going to be hard to STRIKE the Balance between what Fans want, as their is a varied Bunch of Camps out their... some are interesting in the Philosophy and David and Engineers, some completely have Fallen Out with any interest in David...
Its a Hard Balancing Act... ONE that Alien Covenant to a degree attempted... only the Engineers and Dr Shaw got brushed aside too much and the Alien Scenes were just not enough Action Enough for Aliens Fans.... and not enough Haunted House Alien vibe for the Alien Fans... as the Neomorph and Xenomorph Scenes were RUSHED and the Emphasis seemed to be too much on David/Walter and then a Lead Character who we did not get to connect well with DANIELS
There was always going be a problem with introducing Human Characters and Follow the Plot to Prometheus.... For Characters to work they have to be a part of the Story in Real time and so a Character from a Flash Back has no real connection unless this Character appears latter in real time or has a deep deep connection to a Character in real time (Time-Line the movie is mainly set in).
Characters also have to be ones we can engage with WHO will make it to the Next Movie so we can build upon this.
THIS is where the Problem would have arose with Prometheus, by changing Dr Shaws Character and having a Well Written David may not appeal to everyone if its a movie dealing around the interaction of those TWO Characters... So its about INTRODUCING other Characters who can then interact at some point with David/Dr Shaw.
Connecting to a Android can be hard for some, but if done right we could get some Sympathy for a AI Character, but this only works if they are done well and put in a situation and Character Development we can connect with.... with Alien Covenant he came across as just a Evil/Crazy Robot to many.
Introducing Engineer Characters or other Humanoids would be hard to do and have us engage with them, compared to Humans.. mainly because of the Communication Barrier. Meeting a Alien Race who could be in Jeopardy and yet connect with Dr Shaw is hard to do, unless we get some Plot Device to explain how Dr Shaw can Communicate and using David as a Translator would kind of take the Edge of any way we could feel for these None-English speaking Humanoid Species.
We could have had a Mission to LV-223, where we are introduced to more Human Characters, but it would be hard to maybe pull off a Movie that goes back/forth in a Plot where half the movie is about David and Dr Shaw while the other Half is about a Rescue Mission to LV-223. And in order to allow us to connect with these Characters, some have to Survive LV-223 and then at some point be set up to maybe meet up with David and Dr Shaw... which another way around would be IF David did not leave LV-223 but did all his experiments on LV-223
Which would mean NOT really finding out Dr Shaws Answers (which we did not really anyway) and so if they went this route of David and Dr Shaw stay on LV-223, it would been ideal if they Found Another Engineer, and then allowed for some to Return... but the SET-UP was that Dr Shaw and David had left that Place (LV-223) and so when we saw that Ship leaving LV-223, we are led to the SET-UP that it would be off to the Engineers Home-world.
So by following Dr Shaw and David and interacting with Engineers or Humanoids and having David either Translate or the Engineers have a Device that allows Dr Shaw to be able to speak to them... we would have to wonder if THIS Plot allowed for us to connect with Characters?
Introducing another Group of Humans on their way to LV-223 could mean a movie that is going back/forwards between TWO Plots/Events that could become complicated and maybe be harder to devote time to WHICH Characters we are to be drawn to who will continue in the next movie.
These are Problems which likely is ONE reason for the Change of Plot to what we had in Alien Covenant, where being set 10 years latter and a After-Math Movie... allowed us to be introduced to the Covenant Crew.
The Problem we are left with is only Daniels and Tennessee Survived and they are not exactly the best Characters.. But there could be a way to Solve this.... But thats unlikely and difficult with the ENDING where Daniels knows Davids Identity... instead of keeping this a Secret from her.
To me we never got much fleshed out Characters to them, the TWO Main Human Characters just Did-Not Stand out was Important to the Plot or at least had depth that we saw with Dr Shaw... while her Character was broken a bit, we could see she was ONE of the Main Characters as far as Character Investment...
Oram Stood out as a Main Character, but Daniels just never looked anything more important than Lope.
I think a lot of Emphasis/Loss seemed to appeal to Orams Character, Daniels did not seem to be too upset about her LOSS or what happened on Planet 4 both prior and after... it appeared her interest was only for HERSELF.
Indeed as Gman and Gavin had mentioned and i mentioned it prior that IF Disney Purchased the Company 20th Century Fox the movies would be produce under the same 20th Century Fox as a subsidiaries and so likely not Under Disney.
I mentioned when the News about a Disney Take Over First broke out, that for Disney they would likely look at the Predator/Alien Franchises as something different to the Movie Franchises they own already, THUS giving them a Extra String to their Bow. Rather than making them be more Super Hero PG-12 Friendly. But by having these Movies under their Wings gives them a different kind of Movie aimed at a different kind of Audience.
Regardless of the movies being Produced under any Subsidiaries if we did see Disney Take Over or Comcast... those Parent Companies would still look at if any Movie Venture would be Financially Viable...
Which is WHY i do think and especially if Disney WON, i think they would try and cater a more Aliens/Alien Resurrection Action kind of Movie as this could be something that has more appeal for the General Public, so it wont be a case of what movie would Attract Prometheus Fans, or Alien Fans as far as the Short Cast, Lone Monster Haunted House Horror... they would likely want a Flick that appeals to the Broader Audience for potential $$$$$ Return.
This does not mean a PG-12 Flick... i think the USA Rating System is hard to judge..... But i think IF Disney brought the Franchise and Produced a Movie it would be aimed at the 15 year olds plus and not 12 year olds. So in context to how Graphic the Franchise is overall, i dont think we have to worry about them cutting down a lot of Gore and Horror.
And as Gavin Mentioned with the Punisher this is a Graphic Violent TV Series with Sexual Content, that is Produced by ABC Studios and Marvel Television that are owned by Walt Disney. I dont know how Netflix work out their Age System... i know its a R... so i think if the Series came to DVD in the UK it would likely be a 18
If no one is going to read what I posted, then read what Gavin posted. That is the route that they would take.
BD
Yeah but at least they could reduce his role, hopefully Disney makes them do so. At least Disney many times get the humans right if I like the characters is another issue.
You wrote that maybe the company could take David out (he told them things in Advent). He might think that he gets away with it but it could be his downfall (“a king has his reign...” and so on). This could also be a small connection with Prometheus maybe his time will come as it did with Weyland even though he was not very interesting.
“WHEN does he Die?”
Maybe his monsters turn on him early in the movie. They have some intelligence as seen in Alien. Perhaps he thought that he could control them but was wrong.
It will be interesting to see how the Engineers will react. I am more interested in this than to see more David, he is not as interesting after what we got in AC.
What if the humans does some insurrection against David and his tyranny. David uses the monsters while at the same time the Engineers are out to get David. Good luck you effing fascist! Nope it is time for him to die, I am tired of David because of how he was in AC.
It could give a more claustrophobic feeling if it was on the ship because then they have less space. Maybe it starts on the ship but then they got to land at a planet that they are not prepared for? This would be a little like AC but I had no problem with that part in it.
“So again David/Walter has to play a role to get the Engineers to arrive where the Humans are and Interact...”
Sigh! At least they could reduce their screen-time for better done human characters. This would not be too difficult if we go from 60% of the time dedicated to androids (David and Walter) to maybe 35%, that would be better.
“… if they are aware of LV-223 and its mission to Earth... then the Engineers would surely be heading to LV-223 and Earth and so its HOW do they arrive at Origae-6 or know the Covenant ship is where the Culprit is and where this ship is at the time they arrive.”
Well that is up to the writers to make something smart out of. I am not a writer so I do not know too much about this.
Yeah but at least they could reduce David’s role compared to AC, that is not too much to ask for. They could have humans battling monsters and have him playing a role while being in the background.
Humans first, the rest comes after that, this is what the prequels have gone wrong IMO.
As far as the franchise being on shaky ground they have themselves to blame. If they would have concentrated on getting better human characters then we might not have had this problem. Fox and Scott are mostly to blame.
“They would understand a lot of folk are disappointed in HOW David is the so called Creator of the Xenomorph, and also how some are no happy the Emphasis on the Prequels is about David.”
If they pay attention but I am not sure, get new jobs to those that thought that the issue with P was a lack of Xenos because I doubt if they know what they are doing. Hopefully they understand that many dislike that (I think that it sucks but he was OK in Prometheus).
“… and its maybe why eventually a AFTERMATH movie will come next were we will SKIP for the Most Part what ever the Next Movie could have entailed.”
If that means less David/androids then good.
“So there is a lot for Disney to consider because the main FOCUS for them would be to make $$$$$$$$ but also avoid a Movie that Tarnishes the Xenomorph.”
I do not want another 1000 Xenos, I want well-written human characters to relate to. Monsters do not mean a thing if we can not feel something for the victims. Alien 1-3 got this right because they cared about the characters. It is the same with horror movies in general. Zombie movies are in general about people that live under extreme circumstances and what they do then so they got to get the characters for us to care, the same with the alien movies but they have been on the wrong path since at least 1997.
“Which really only limits it to a kind of Re-Hash of Aliens...”
That has not got to be the case though, they can still come up some variation to avoid that.
“They would understand a lot of folk are disappointed in HOW David is the so called Creator of the Xenomorph, and also how some are no happy the Emphasis on the Prequels is about David.”
Those two is where I stand about this issue.
“Which means the LONGER we wait the more Chance that David/Walter we play a lesser role.”
I do not mind androids in movies but the prequels have been too much about them. There is no balance right now, that is why the movies are lacking to me.
“The Longer its left, the Lesser a Role David/Walter will play due to how Micheal Fassbender WILL Age.... and are Synthetics Supposed to Age?"
Maybe waiting is not a bad idea if they do not replace him with another robot that gets all attention.
Let
it rest a while so we hopefully will not get another movie about a tyrannical robot because in my mind that is not what Alien is about. That Scott seems to act like it is about David, that is his thing. He might be good at world building but he should stay away from story writing otherwise we will get things like the prequels being about David which is just bad.
Michelle
Daniels to me was a waste, I never got to know anything about her personality. OK so she wanted to build a cabin on the lake but so what? How was she as a person? Was she shy? A leader-type? Logical? I never understood that and I tend to agree with a review at Youtube where he said that she had no personality. She was not stupid and naive like Shaw but I never understood what she was like. Unfortunately she was just another character where they failed. Most of the characters did not have a clear personality to the point where I have forgotten most of the characters names in the movie. Writing this makes me draw the conclusion that it was not the actors fault since most were like that, it is very likely that the script simply was not good.
More talking from a mad android. It could have been alright if the movie would have been better. When they even have extra material about an android even though he got most of the screen-time in Alien Covenant that is just ridiculous. There are more characters in the movie than David so develop them and let us know something about them. Unfortunately the movie became about two androids. Advent is just more about David and since he got over-exposed in the movie it makes this one boring.
Chli: Yeah but that is not very difficult to get a better movie than Alien Covenant. To me it is at the same level as Alien Resurrection unfortunately.
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Prometheus had some interesting ideas but most of the characters were lame. I agree that the studio or whoever got it totally wrong when they thought that getting the Xeno in was all that was needed and that was not what the majority of the criticism was about. Google the criticism against bad characters and you see that many more had problems with that than the lack of Xenos.
"… are actually a great idea.”
The thing is that you need more than interesting ideas for it to work. It needs quality characters that we as an audience can see ourselves in and support. None of the prequels have had that, Alien 3 was the last time that they got enough characters right for the movie to work, it has been bad since then. My opinion is that if they do not get the characters right then the movie is trash especially when it is a horror movie where we got to feel something for the characters that will die and if it does not manage to do this then the movie fails.
Even though Prometheus is just OK at least it is about more than a crazy robot. It is sad that Alien Covenant became the way it did because they messed up the human characters even Daniels that I felt that we got no connection to. What I understood from Daniels was that she wanted to build a cabin by the lake, that was all. She was a character that I did not get any connection to but at least she was not as annoying as Shaw.
“The Alien: Covenant story just got to warped with the idea that a Xeno HAD to be in it.”
It was more than that to me, it was mostly about lame characters and too much focus on androids. I agree that it did not help that they forced the Xeno into it. We shall see where they will go from here.
That is interesting even though I am not sure what it would mean for the franchise.
Hopefully they will not stay away from blood and swearing making safe movies. Not everything needs to be about green grass, balloons, and fluffy rabbits that are painted pink. Alien movies were not made for kids and it should stay that way no matter who is the owner.
To be honest it kinda infuriates me the ignorance when someone assumes that should Disney succeed in acquiring IP's (Intellectual Properties) for their forthcoming streaming service, that any such content such as Alien or Predator will get diluted into PG-13 mainstream entertainment.
Should Disney acquire Fox they will never produce an Alien movie with the Disney name attached. Instead, they will use one of their subsidiary production companies, possibly even retaining the Fox brand itself. This is a practice already used by Disney and many other conglomerate media companies, such as Comcast and Sony. Take the latter, whose IP's such as Ghostbusters and Spider-Man are often mistakenly labeled as Sony IP's when in actuality they are the property of and produced by Columbia Pictures, one of Sony's subsidiaries.
If you want further proof that any future Alien movies will not get watered down should Disney acquire Fox then you need to look no further than the serial show The Punisher starring Jon Bernthal in the title role. The first season not only featured a number of sex scenes (including possible anal sex) but was renowned for its violent content, such as that seen in the season finale in which Castle dragged Billy Russo face through a broken mirror, shredding his face and creating Jigsaw.
Sorry I can't remember or find the source but Im sure I read somewhere that Disney planned to use Touchstone as its platform for any of FOX's adult content assets as G. H. (Gman) mentioned above.
I think it depends on the Reasons for WHY they would want FOX
If it is more so to do with TV Programing rather than the Big Screen Movie Franchises then ALIEN could still be in a State of Limbo... The Problem is not so much WHO buys into the Movie Franchises its a case of WHAT can they do with them.
Disney would look at a Movie that would appease to a Wider Fan-Base and so a more Marvel kind of Pop-Corn Type addition would be something maybe they would tackle. So we would get more of a ALIENS/ALIEN Resurrection kind of a Flick or like the AVP movies.
I think Disney would use Gore, we have to remember what made a Movie have to be a R/18 back in the 80's you could push a lot of that into a PG13, with maybe some extended Scenes for a Modern Cert 15
So i dont think Disney would give us a Toned down kiddy Friendly Movie.... i think Under Disney, the Horror/Gore we have seen in the Alien Franchise would not really be affected too much. It just wont push past the boundaries of a Alien Covenant/Aliens and i think Nudity would be something that would most likely be CUT
So Disney would maybe not do a kind of The THING kind of Graphic Horror, but a AVP, a Predator Franchise and Alien Franchise i think they would.... It really would come down to IF they think its Financially Viable.
I dont think Disney would be after FOX mainly for things like ALIEN, particularly as far as License/Rights to previous movies WITH NO intention to make any further movies... but maybe the Games/Merchandise and Comic Aspects could be interesting so who knows. So EVEN if Disney Purchased the rights to the Franchise, i think as far as ANOTHER movie they would want to make sure its something that would attract a wide Audience and Make Money and at the Moment the Franchise is in a PICKLE as far as HOW do they continue from where the last one left off.
I think COMCAST it would be similar, it would be IF they feel making a ALIEN movie would be Financially Viable. I do think maybe Comcast would be open to explore a Spin Off TV Series? But then maybe this is something Disney could consider, but i feel as far as TV Series go, then COMCAST would pursue something a bit more Gruesome, than what Disney would for a TV Series.
I think as far as the ALIEN Franchise goes... maybe when the DUST has settled and Who-Ever Purchases 20th Century etc.. Once a deal has been done we can then find out WHY the Purchase was made, and then the Potential to see what Franchises etc could be SOLD OFF to other Production Companies or kind of Licensed for other Companies to Produce..
so its like Gman said just because its Disney does not mean that other brands under ownership by the Company would not Produce more ADULT Orientated Movies... as far as Graphic/Horror Scene.
ali81,
But that's the point, Disney wouldn't make the films themselves, plain and simple. That would take an entirely different conversation/deal with Fox after the acquisition. But in what instance have they ever historically done that?
You're right, Disney wants to separate itself from more adult themed films, which is why they use Touchstone, Miramax, etc. Fox would be no different. Disney acquired Marvel Studios, but Avengers: Infinity War was not made by Disney. Likewise, if Disney bought Fox, all of Fox's franchises would still be under Fox--Including Alien.
The Scream trilogy was made by Dimension Films. Just because Disney owned Dimension Films' parent company does not mean they pull the franchise into its studio. They want to make money in markets outside of family fare as well--If they didn't, they wouldn't be as powerful as they are.
There is no reality where Disney would make the Alien franchise directly themselves. All of that talk is overreacting fear-mongering.
Disney said that Deadpool is going to stay as Rated R, they are probably going to do same with Alien.
gman, it would have all depended on WHICH company was going to make an alien movie. if Disney were directly producing the film it would be PG-13,simple as that. owning other companies just means they can make more 'out there' movies without having the Disney brand directly associated with it as all people would see is the Touchstone etc logo at the beginning and not the Disney logo. Disney is a family movie company and cant be connected to gore and horror so the pre-conception that they would make a watered down alien movie if they were making it themselves, is totally plausible. remember none of the movies u mention are regarded as Disney movies even though they own the company that did make them.
