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For me that "I'm sorry, did you say something?" from Wayne Haag sounds like he is tired and irritated by our obsessive questions about the Covenant sequel. I don't think he is held by an NDA, it's just he simply has nothing to share on this topic and he is frustrated by misinterpretation of his words. Misinterpretation that was not at all deliberated, people just want to get their toy back from Dismay.
That is how I see it.
I lost all hope to see a Covenant sequel from Ridley Scott.
It's so frustrating! Damn
Is it journalistic integrity when in a 30-minute podcast labeled to be about the recent bidding war for 21st Century Fox you spend over 20 minutes perched upon a presumed pedestal of superiority while dragging a site, of which you are inexplicably a member, through the proverbial mud for running a speculative article. Is it journalistic integrity that in said podcast you are joined by a YouTuber friend who mere months ago needlessly attacked said site on his preferred platform of YouTube before reiterating his attack on the site in question even though the initial purpose of their video mirrored that of the article it berated - to inform and warn their respective fandom of a rumor.
This isn't our job. No-one gets paid for posting articles on Scified. As fans, this network of sites is our hobby, our pastime, our escape. We have bled years into making this small corner of the internet our own. Throughout our endeavour we have been hacked, plagiarized, insulted, taken advantage of, and even abused by the very studios we are providing free advertising to.
This article now has over 20,000 views. In part because of this needless drama you and your YouTuber cohort have instigated against us, but also in part because we have a lot of non-vocal fans and followers who associate with our network and our community of fans of which we are part of. I find it perplexing that you are attacking the very admin and community of a site you have previously been an active part of. Did someone here offend you in some way and you are now lashing out? Or is your attack a bid to gain an audience of your own for your fledgling blog?
Well, well... I knew you'd be back.
I'm glad you did it.
Now it is time for me to go back into cryosleep.
Do tuck in the children.
Why does this forum have problems with Mr Whoever Reviews friends? Why do they antagonize us in opposition to a corporate stooge, who clearly needed to keep his mouth shut if he signed an NDA (I don't care here about his artistic talent, as he was ego tripping)?
What half truths are you talking about? You are grinding axes here, so as I stay out off your dear friend H's videos, could you leave us alone in our "cesspool".
The way you treat people will be remembered Chris.
When you mistreat your followers on more than one occasion it is really bad form.
Word will get around about how you react in this instance, and the next and the next. And do you think the concept artists don't talk to each other? Or people in the industry?
So yes, you followed a potential lead. Without actually checking with your sources, you also treated Wayne with the utmost disrespect and then you continue on this charade of not knowing any better.
Gavin You're right, you have every right to interpret information any way you like, but Chris a site administrator, has a responsibility for not overhyping half-truths. Believe it or not you have a responsibility with the power you yield.
Chris You missed vital parts of the conversation and then pillaged information off Bloody Disgusting.
The only way you are going to get information and potential leads is to act in accordance with journalistic integrity, I shouldn't have to tell you how to do your job.
Well said and agreed.
Congrats & welcome back!
Glad your future little ALIEN fan arrived safe & well! :)
That is beautiful! So hoping we get to see another movie with Engineers some day!
Everyone is free to interpret Mr. Haag’s comment however they see fit.
First & foremost, Chris is a fan just like the rest of us. He was sharing something he knew would likely ignite a spark of hope, positivity & interest for many of us on the Covenant forum & elsewhere. There’s no crime been committed!
Yes, sometimes we clutch at straws, grab any snippet of information & probably over-analyse, or jump to conclusions. Basically, that’s because we are trying to keep some faith & remain upbeat at a time when the Franchise we care about is in a state of limbo.
Keep on Space Truckin' Chris & Gavin! :)
@ MUTHUR 9000,
Checking the dates of the tweets posted against this article, I agree that Chris' speculation is sadly misguided in this case. But, in a small, if irrelevant defense Haag did not shoot down Rob Turpin's question of whether or nor Haag was working on an Alien Covenant sequel, thus neither confirming nor denying the possibility. This in and of itself could suggest, though the likelihood is small considering Scott is currently working on Merlin, that in some way (likely small), Haag may be working on some concept art for an Alien Covenant sequel as part of the movies development process. As we all know a movie being in development does not mean it is in pre-production, and considering the current bidding war for 21st Century Fox's IP's and assets, the likelihood of an Alien movie being greenlit in the next year or two is unlikely.
I still hold however that despite the misguided speculation in this article, the article is merely that - speculation. Here at Scified and Alien-Covenant.com we have a large Alien fanbase, most of which are eager for any news, rumors and/or speculation on their favorite franchise. This article speculates, the possibility, if however far-fetched, of the sequel to Alien-Covenant being secretly in pre-production. This article is not news, nor a rumor, just mere speculation and nothing more. If anyone has been upset by this article then they clearly did not read it, for if they had they would understand it's nature (hint - most speculative articles end in a ?, such as this one).
As for your comments about NDA's, the fact that Haag neither confirms nor denies what he is working on further suggests the possibility that he is held by an NDA with Fox/Ridley, because if he was not he would have been able to answer Rob Turpin's question more directly.
But to your claims that Chris is only in it for the clicks and your article/podcast with the illustrious Mr H in which you vilify this speculative article and Scified in general. Every news platform, big or small, runs speculative articles. Its a way of engaging the fandom in discussion when news is at a low point while keeping the subject matter (Alien in this case) in the public eye. For two years every Youtuber and news site under the sun ran the exact same type of articles postulating theories about Rey and Snoke. Were any of these sources attacked for their speculation? No, they were not. Yet whenever we here at Alien-Covenant.com do the same we are slated as heretics and clickbaiters. Months back we posted the rumor that was spreading that the Alien Covenant sequel had been canceled, stating quite clearly that it was a rumor and nothing more, and likely held no weight. The guest on your most recent podcast Mr H then posted a video shortly afterward mirroring the same sentiment as our article to warn his fanbase of the rumor, unprovoked he then slated our article as clickbait - are we not allowed to post rumors and warn our fanbase away from them as he later did.
Scified and the sites that make up our network are run by and for the fans. We have in no way, shape or form inferred that we are officially affiliated with any studios or the IP's we cover. Anyone who infers that we are official is not only ignorant of the fact that we are not verified as such on any social platforms, but also of the attribution found in the footer of all our sites that clearly states we are "a fan-created website". As such everyone that posts news on our network, regardless of their "rank" is an amateur journalist, and while we all take the best efforts in any articles we post to cite sources, there is always a chance that an article can be misinterpreted or received negatively. Also, there is always the chance we may make mistakes, for we are not infallible, and have never claimed to be so. However, unlike other fellow amateur journalists, we do not attack or vilify, as doing so would not only create needless drama, but would only serve to agitate and divide the fanbases of both ourselves and those being attacked.
We all may have opinions, but that does not entitle us to share them. Opinions shared should be shared responsibly. Those that do not only serve to further the toxic reputation most general audiences perceive exists within fandoms such as ours, yours and any other website. In other words, play nice or not at all. That is how we here at Scified and Alien-Covenant.com play, why can't you? And if you don't want to play nice, leave those of us that do in peace.
Hope that this not escalates into another Mr Whatever Reviews debacle.
Woah. Nobody attacked Haag, for one. Secondly, we weren't the only outlet to report on his tweets.
Haters gonna hate, but I will continue to report on potential leads as they arise.
Good luck making friends with an attitude like that.
@VivisectedEngineer Was my pleasure helping out! Glad to see you back, and congrats!!!
You know what's unprofessional. Chris.
Wayne was having a conversation with his concept artist friends.
The tweet was reported on a month ago, with Chris acknowledging that just because Wayne Haag is working with Ridley Scott doesn't mean he's actually working on an Alien movie.
So then he posts this click bait article to rile you up and you end up attacking Wayne Haag cause he abided by his NDA.
Good luck to your website Chris, word is spreading that you're just in it for the clicks.
Gavin why don't you confront Wayne yourself? Have you ever had to sign an NDA? Are you willing to pay for Wayne to break it? No? Then be quiet.
Chris you sir are a disgrace.
You would think he knew how to use social media tools but that may be assuming too much. He does sound Hollywood with the "...don't misrepresent my words" crack. For the record never heard of the guy until AC.
It is "THE" mystery BigDave!
I have tried to address each of your questions below.
1) The Enigmatic Mystery.... should it be left Alone? and do you think it will be left Alone or eventually Revealed?
Revealed.
2) If it is to be explored WHAT do you WANT to be revealed? Especially as far as WHO sits in that Chair on the Derelict!
*A Humanoid Related to the Engineers.?
I would like to see more of the Engineer's hierarchy.
3) If it is to be explored WHAT do you THINK will be revealed? Especially as far as WHO sits in that Chair on the Derelict!
*A Synthetic (And Who/Where From?)
A time-traveling Waltermorph may appear based on what we have seen in "canon" content.
This is not necessarily what I want but I believe it would ignite a war-like debate over everything, an exodus of various segments of fans, a panoply of insults, microaggression would bloom, etc...
"Deckard" (source), great find.
On the other hand, Predator is making some major buzz around here lately and there could be some limelight envy. "Hey! I am still here and still doing things. Great things! Important things! Look at me!" LOL!
Considering the update to this news I find Haag's comment somewhat abrasive. As mentioned his coy inference seemed to be playing with the fans, especially in response to the fans direct questioning about an Alien Covenant sequel. Yet he directly slates us for questioning said inference. We did not misrepresent his words in the slightest, if anything we highlighted the inference he knowingly and purposefully made. No need to cut off our nose because some studio rep likely chastised him for pre-emptively speaking out. Of course, if he is not working on the Alien Covenant sequel then he should have shot down the fan who mentioned the Alien Covenant sequel, not us.
Very unprofessional and needlessly aggressive conduct from Haag IMHO, yet twitter fans will only see our name being dragged through the mud, yet again.
Engy's reaction when he found out his homeworld is eradicated
As I suspected, it sounded like a deliberate effort to poke a hornet's nest of fans. And then the righteous indignation- to paraphrase, I am an artiste. Do not misrepresent my words. LOL!
Exactly. A simple "no" would suffice. Playing coy with "did you say something?..." just sets us up to assume he's trying to allude to something regarding the question he was asked. Quite a few people responded to his tweet referencing Covenant and he decided not to clarify for them either so... only when we post about it does he clarify his words? Seems odd, for sure.
VivisectedEngineer Actually this might be the perfect time to introduce the youngin' to Alien. Tonight! He will likely sleep through most of it and doesn't (probably) understand those concepts yet. Take a pic with him and the screen showing Alien. For the future, think of the bragging rights he could have. "I saw Alien when I was TEN.................months old and I have proof!"
Prometheus was a masterpiece. Covenant had its moments. Seems to me Mr. Haag confirmed it with his coy "..did you say something?" response. Then the powers-that-be clamped down and he was reminded things are "off the record, on the QT, and very hush-hush"
@dk
:D Thanks! The place looks great!
Glad to be back! (And this time, with a Mini-Me! :D )
Oh no, you DID wonder about me?? And I recall YOU I actually told about my unfortunate encounter with the bat, so you would have had just cause to think I'd died of rabies, lol. But fortunately, the vaccine worked and neither the baby nor I was any worse for ware!
Good points about making sure he's old enough to remember his first ALIEN viewing! The timing must be considered carefully...
He's going to be the most popular sleep over host at his school with these movie options!
@dk
LOL, well, for right NOW the little cutie mostly keeps me up all night...mostly. :P
Is he redecorating Scott's house? But in my mind he did not 100% denied working on an Alien movie, or a Prometheus movie :P, but most likely they are working on the Merlin Saga.
Updated the piece, unfortunately Wayne has confirmed his comments were not linked to Alien.
You can always trust a Working Joe.
Ive had that bloody Alien Isolation song above stuck in my head all day! Might go and dance like the Working Joe's for awhile XD
Indeed Autotune is way heavy. Ellen McClain had actual opera singer level cred though interestingly. Now I wonder if some sick puppy has a an Autotuned song mocking SH. Blasphemy in some ways but Mr. Hawkings might have gotten a chuckle if he cared at all! Imitation is the best form of flattery- or ridicule in some cases.
VivisectedEngineer You have to keep that Newt level of parental control though- "They only come out at night- mostly."
Hey there VivisectedEngineer. Glad to you hear you are well and have a happy healthy boy!
Alien, Predator or Terminator - the unholy trifecta and rite of passage for any young fella XD
Yea, I was wondering what happened to ya! I'm glad to see ya here again.
Also, I just hope the kid remembers his first viewing. That's something to consider.
I saw A L I EN at a very young age and I can remember pieces of it, which I cherish. Still, I wish I could remember watching the whole thing for the first time like it was yesterday. I mean, once you know, you know... so... take that in to consideration too. Just a thought!
Watched Prometheus the other night. I believe it came out in 2012 and it looked good. Thanks AC!
Still, the character's are a bit rough in Alien: Covenant. This is a problem with Daniels as she is the main character of the film! I REALLY like Lope. No complaints on him. The military characters could do with less development anyways since they are fairly predictable since they are there to protect... or are they? I mean, they are away from any kind of consequences they would normally face on Earth. I guess that's the kind of character we get with Tennessee.
I really hope David isn't the main character of Alien: Awakening because we just need something different. I can be happy with the David character in Alien: Awakening as long as that character has a minor roll in the finale. Oram and his wife weren't too bad. I feel like as soon as we really started to get an idea of who Oram is, he ends up getting killed shortly later. Karine was a good compliment to Oram.
I do agree that some of the characters could've used more development, like Upworth, Rosenthal (yet in the Origins novel, we get a lot of her), and Ricks. They didn't really get much screen time and then they get killed in a way that wasn't scary in the film. I liked the Faris character. Still, I can't believe she locked Karine in the medical room... She got some screen time though.
My problem with Alien: Covenant isn't so much the characters. It's the fact that throughout the whole movie, there was nothing scary. That's a big disappointment for me. Ridley needs to do whatever he needs to do to at least create one scary part for everybody in the movie. If there aren't any, then something is wrong with the franchise. I can get over it though, as long as Alien: Awakening comes back with lessons learned.
Alien: Covenant had a great base for a story. Not as good as Prometheus, but there is no point doing the same thing twice. There does need to be more drama and character interaction in Alien: Covenant. Still, I blame this on the problem that Fox wasn't listening to Ridley. Ridley knows what to do. Hopefully Alien: Awakening will show this like Prometheus did.
:: Fingers crossed ::
Thoughts_Dreams said, "It was more than that to me, it was mostly about lame characters and too much focus on androids. I agree that it did not help that they forced the Xeno into it. We shall see where they will go from here."
I feel like the focus on androids comes from the fact that David is obsessed with making the perfect organism, the Xeno. If you take that away from the story, David has nothing to talk about and no reason to try and "convert" Walter. Instead, if David is the creator of the Xeno, we should've got... maybe more discovery of this through Daniels and the crew instead of the movie just blatantly stating and showing this. Or, maybe if we do want a more different movie then Prometheus (fear based upon discovery), we could get a more tradition A L I E N flick where David is somehow in control of some Xeno's and seeks to observe how they actually function and not basing all his DNA manipulations on theories. So, we get a very tradition A L I E N movie with Xeno's killing people possibly not even on Planet 4. Yet, I really loved the pre-production description of Alien: Covenant stating something like, "Colonists land on a paradise planet and discover that David is the only inhabitant". I LOVE IT!
Maybe Alien: Covenant was just to much talking and not enough action. The movie wasn't anywhere near scary. I'd say it is the least scary of all of the Alien movies when judging on the first movie viewing. That's a serious problem with that movie!
I think the characters weren't as bad as you believe them to be. I feel Shaw's character just scratched the surface, but it was just scratched enough to allow us to really start to see what's inside. I think Shaw was done okay. I'm not complaining. Holloway was perfectly casted and did great to support the Shaw character and, in that process, showed us what he is all about too. If the movie didn't develop Holloway well, then I think we wouldn't have had as great of a character as Shaw, like we did, and we would have had a very different movie. I wish I was Holloway, in a way. I liked him (and Shaw). We also got the very blunt Fifield. I loved that guy. What a great character. The smoking pot thing was a bit much, but, hey, what the hell. I'll roll with it! We got lucky with Charlize Therone. I think she has a soft spot for the Prometheus, actually, or is the fact that in the movie Gringo, the medication's name is Prometheum just coincidence? I guess someone else in the film could be a fan too. Still, I liked Vickers. David's character was fantastic!
Peter Weyland was well played and I'm glad he didn't have a big part because, first, the story shouldn't, and, second, it really gets the fans theorizing about Weyland-Yutani and all. The whole story shouldn't be revealed in the first film. Janek was great. To be frank, no complaints AT ALL. Millburn was okay. I just wish he wouldn't have acted a little off when we tried to pet the worm, but let me tell you this... I don't think I ever got so upset in a movie EVER like I did with Millburn trying to sweet talk that worm. Yes, I don't agree with the scene, but, at the same time, I never showed so much emotion so animatively like I did during that scene. If I saw that movie in theaters (I wish I did too), I would probably piss some people off. Who knows? Maybe I wouldn't have been the only one? Ford, played by Kate Dickie, kept the plot rolling when it needed it the most. So we don't know everything about everyone on an expedition... I wouldn't want too. In any logical expedition, there is going to be more people then necessary because what are you going to do if you don't have the right tools are the right people power when your lightyears away from any help? Plus it is a secret mission, so it's good to take care of yourself. There are some other characters I'm missing, I know, but to keep the unnerving pace of the film, we can't have all this character development going on at the same time. If we had some more time at the beginning of the film to develop character, that's cool with me, but the movie is at 2 hours. I can understand why Prometheus is what it is at 2 hours. That is a long movie. Still, I honestly wish it was around 2 and a half hours. 3 hours might be good, especially if you're a fan of the movie like me. I'll watch it!
