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I find it funny that fans think Disney would mandate a watered down or "lighter" PG-13 Alien franchise if they take over. Does anyone remember that Disney used to own Miramax (which owned Dimension Films) for 17 years and continue to own Touchstone Pictures? Under those labels a mass of R-rated films were produced. To name a few: Con-Air, Kill Bill Vol. 1 & 2, Good Will Hunting, Sin City, Clerks, Bad Santa, the Scream trilogy, and many, many others.

Just because a conglomerate owns a company doesn't mean they don't let said company continue with what it's good at--Especially if they make money doing what they're good at.

I think this is good news.  Of course, a change in hands for the Alien franchise, or any franchise, is a bit unnerving.  Hopefully Fox's plans will continue on with Comcast.

Still, I think Disney would have hurt the franchise more than Comcast.  Although, I think I know less about Comcast then about Disney, so I could be wrong.

If Fox had to sell between whoever was interested, Comcast doesn't seem like a bad option.

Of course, nothing is final yet...

I like the articles comment on "Diet Fox" if Disney got the deal.  It would be so true too with regards to what could happen to movie franchises.  

I'm pulling for Comcast.

I wonder how much the rights to the Alien franchise would cost?

I mean we're talking possibly 65 million for ALL of Fox.  I could imagine maybe 2 million for the future of the Alien franchise.  That wouldn't include owning the original four, just the prequels and their future?  Is splitting up the franchise like that even possible?

I'm just throwing numbers out there and dreaming that a fan (or fans) of the Alien franchise could somehow own a stake in the franchise.  That would be the day!

I have a feeling the powers that be will be watching how Predator does first. 

At least maybe we can get an R rated sequel when we are in our 50's instead of a pg-13 when we are in our 50's. 

I don't know but we will be probably more in Limbo.

It is a WAITING Game now....

Alien Covenant is the Only Movie in the Franchise that is left open to NEEDING a Sequel..  ALIEN could have been a Stand Alone Movie but kind of set up a Sequel... Because you still had the Derelict/Eggs.  And Prometheus was a movie likewise that lent towards needing a Sequel but did not necessarily have to have one.

Aliens and Alien 3 both ended in ways that could have Provided a END to the Franchise/Threat.  Alien Resurrection could have led to a Sequel that maybe could bring something NEW than just Xenomorphs.

But ALIEN COVENANT surely is a Movie that 100% Sets Up a Sequel..

Its a Question of how would it SIT if None is made?  I think we WILL get a sequel of sorts to Alien Covenant, or at least another Prequel that may try and explain what could have happened next but By-Pass a Sequel.

TWO Problems arise really, both being connected to TIME, and that is Ridley Scott and Micheal Fassbender,  the latter being maybe the bigger one...  As while we can ask WHAT condition Ridley Scott could be in to make a Sequel or TWO in 5, 10 or 15 years time.   The Franchise has continued before with different Directors/Writers.

But the longer we WAIT for a Sequel the Less Likely it could be to Directly Continue mainly due to us having a Synthetic David who is in Control of the Covenant Ship, on its mission to Colonize Origae-6.

The Longer its left, the Lesser a Role David/Walter will play due to how Micheal Fassbender WILL Age.... and are Synthetics Supposed to Age?

Which means the LONGER we wait the more Chance that David/Walter we play a lesser role and appear as a Damaged Synthetic Corpse, unless we rely on CGI to Touch Up Fassbender and make him appear as a 35-40 year old MALE

"ii) Their experiments were their undoing and led to the aborted mission  which also lead to the failed flight of one of the Juggernauts which was carrying not Urns but Egg Sacs with an organism which was related to their experiments."

Indeed it appeared to set up a Different Angle than we are getting NOW... Prometheus did provide clues to suggest a LINK between the Experiments/Bio-Weapons on LV-223 and the Derelict and its Cargo.

Ridley Scott even Explained the Entire Event... and the KEY thing he added was that something EVOLVED in the Cargo Hold, which leaves us asking if the Cargo Hold was being filled with Eggs or Not.

I think looking at Prometheus/Alien Covenant it seems rather ODD for the Juggernauts to be Bio-Weapon Bombers intended to Unleash Eggs on a World...  I say this IF we maybe ASSUME the Juggernaught/Derelict are Similar and have Similar Deployment Mechanisms.   Because if we look at the Bombardment Scene in Alien Covenant then we have to ASK how do any Dropped Eggs Survive just a Drop?  And IF the Bombardment was intended as a Method of Destruction then the Black Goo makes much more sense than Creating Eggs to be Deployed.

So a Question still remains for HOW would those Eggs be Deployed?  And so maybe instead what we have is the Juggernaught/Derelict is NOW just Transporting the Eggs to LV-223 for Experiments.

Certainly is something that was very open to explore...  while some contradiction comes along with every NEW piece of information given (The Advent) what we see in Alien Covenant and more so Ridley Scotts comments and maybe the Advent could allow us to explore what could be really going on.

Maybe we should still continue to look at a number of elements from the Prequels that have been mentioned and that we  know about now.

*How Connected is the PROMETHEUS Title, the Prometheus Mythos as a Broad Stroke does tell the tale of a Hierarchy of Gods/Beings who have Betrayed/Gone Against the Establishment... Prometheus First had Gone against his own Brothers and Sided with their Children (Olympians)  and then he had gone against those Olympians in Favor of Mankind.   Some elements seem to point to Prometheus as the Creator of Mankind..  The Large Theme connecting to the Movie seems to center around this Creation Link, and also Providing Information/Knowledge that is Taught to THOSE not intended for it, and for using a Forbidden Knowledge/Fire/Tool against the WILL or Intended ways which leads to either Punishment Directly or as a result of Hubris of playing with FIRE.

*What we have been implied towards from RS comments and Alien Covenant is that our Engineers on LV-223 Do-Not come from that place but a place we would regard as PARADISE and it will be interesting to see how Literal and in what Context does Paradise link...  A Place where only the Honorable or Worthy are allowed to Go/Dwell or the Cradle of Creation?  maybe both can apply.

*It is further revealed that those Engineers on Planet 4 (Paradise) are the Originals which opens up the whole Debate about those in Prometheus being either a Sub-Creation for a Purpose just as Mankind Created Synthetics, or Replicants.   Which either Rebel, or they become Fallen because they Sub-Create Mankind or Pass on Forbidden Knowledge or indeed Mankind could have been created as a Replacement this similar to the Annunaki/Iggi and Mankind Sumerian Mythos. OR... those Prometheus Engineers had Genetically Evolved themselves using the Fire/Creation Tool/Knowledge which is a ACT that was not supposed to be allowed and suffer a Hubris in doing so.

So there is still a lot to be Explored/Answered that is more important than just Chasing the Space Jockey Event i think a BIG THEME that can still be explored is the Agenda/History of the Engineers where the Gardeners of Space Plot and how it relates to Planet 4/LV-223 and Earth as well as potentially Many Worlds is something interesting.. Rather than going the route of a ALIEN Race who Create a Bio-Weapon to use to Eradicate their Failed Creation/Experiment.

The Reasons WHY these beings Sacrifice themselves, the Reasons WHY they are not contempt at remaining on Planet 4 as those Engineers in Alien Covenant appeared to be, WHY they are the Originals, and WHY the Engineers are Called Fallen Angels (which Caste of Engineers). Are all things that could have been explored where the LV-223 Purpose could be explored beyond being JUST a Weapons Facility. And where we could loosely get clues to WHAT caused these beings on LV-223 to Conduct those Experiments.

These are all things a Prometheus 2, 3 and even more could have explored... that NOW with the Direct U-Turn to Directly lead us to ALIEN would make it harder to explore due to the Spoon Fed Literal Passage to ALIEN and how this leaves little Time/Scope to Squeeze in what could have been Explored in Prometheus 2/3

ali81 said, "fingers crossed they do it justice"

HERE! HERE!  The prequels ain't over folks!!  My fingers are crossed too. 

@ignorantGuy

Regardless who's in control, I'm just surprised that Fox didn't create some form of guarantee that Ridley Scott and continue and finish his prequels.  After the final movie, then the Alien franchise should be in limbo (if that's what the new owner wants).  It really doesn't sound like that guarantee would be hard to get whoever is slowing down Awakening to sign.  It's just there to keep things that were (basically) promised to happen happen.  I would've figured Scott would've have wanted that too?

“its all just ended up 1 huge mess hasn't it.”

On the face of it, with no clue as to whether Disney will want to move forward in producing a third film, and the fact that a third film is desperately needed, I would say yes, its huge.

Well done Tysaurian 0.1

Thank goodness your girlfriend saved a copy of your novel!

Very best of luck with it!

@ali81

You have raised a very interesting and fundamental point about one of the many pieces of investment made in Prometheus which were not capitalised on in the sequel.

The strategic decision made by Ridley to hire John Logan to write David as a straight line into the sequel and remove everything else is well understood.

More subtly are all the sub text of the Prometheus story and in particular what all those strands meant. 

David was potentially the perfect mediator of the story as he played off both Weyland and Shaw's agendas to discover the dawning truth of the Engineers and their relationship with mankind. Central to this :-

1) They created us...... and pointed out the general area where they came from and very importantly NOT Paradise. This has huge implications for the story if you wish to pursue it. 

2) They having created us, began experimenting and the implication of the title of the movie is they stole whatever they were utilising to experiment. This has huge implications for the story if you wish to pursue it.

3) Two matters then transpired 

i) They decided to redact us. In what context and why ? 

ii) Their experiments were their undoing and led to the aborted mission  which also lead to the failed flight of one of the Juggernauts which was carrying not Urns but Egg Sacs with an organism which was related to their experiments.  

Whilst 3 is a consequence of 1 and 2 and the answers to those questions flow from 1 and 2 they both gave the story an interesting conundrum to resolve (and link to the original movie) and the purpose of Elizabeths Shaw's flight to Paradise. 

All of this was the perfect set up for a fascinating sequel and all of it has been set aside. However if you are minded, as I am, to find your own answers and challenge yourself its very rich pickings.

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its all just ended up 1 huge mess hasn't it. from something that should have been epic to this. I love Prometheus. the characters are bad with the exception of David but I can look past them I like the film that much. I love what it DID for the alien franchise (did being past tense as its all been ripped up and used as toilet paper). it opened so many doors to go through and a combination of a loud 'where were the aliens even though u said there wouldn't be any I still expected and wanted them' group and a studio full of spineless suits closed pretty much all of them for the safe approach and what a f**k up theyv made of it. its such a shame as the franchise needed a shot of adrenaline after the AVP series. the reason for the prequels was to answer who the SJ was but now at this point it looks like a bad idea to answer it. I wouldn't have minded if we never find out but theyv committed themselves to it now so fingers crossed they do it justice. really not confident but......

David may well be using the term 'Gods' loosely when referring to the engineers and may only still be using the term due to spending time with Shaw who is responsible for showing us that the engineers created us, a feat that 'God' did. so theyr Gods because they created man but to David they are not Gods and are unworthy of the power they wield as they are false Gods in his eyes. 'mortal after all'. this statement could very well have been the moment David believed himself superior to the engineers and realised them to be false gods as he cannot die yet these 'Gods' will. this now makes them unworthy to have the power they hold. he may not see himself as a god but may believe he is more worthy to wield this power. plus he hates humanity and all this power has fallen into his lap so why not use it because daddy didn't love him.

@Seeder9

Thank you for Bumping this Thread as it is one i was away from here when it took place ;)

Indeed it looks like David is Referring to his WOLF as the Xenomorph, the Engineers Wolf is more Ambiguous...  I like what you are saying about the LV-223 Engineers being different...  this is something i have pondered before.. or at least that a Faction had Engineered themselves at a Great Hubris.

I had a So Called Source Leak from the Early October 2014 Draft of what was Prometheus 2, who gave some insight into Paglen/Greens Story...   They did suggest the Engineers (i assume LV-223) had more in Common with David than Mankind.  While also saying the Engineers are Genetically Connected to us... and that Mankind is the 4th/5th Generation of our Kind/Humanoid Species. And Biblical Events in context had happened but NOT to our Generation and not Literally on Earth.

A INTERESTING comment by Ridley Scott is he refers to the Planet 4 Engineers as the ORIGINAL  Engineers. He referred to the Engineers as Gardeners of Space and still does... but he made Fallen Angel comments regarding their Race... we have to ask is this in regards to the LV-223 Engineers?

Regarding the Xenomorph... the Same Source claimed a few things, which was that DAVID Re-Creates it, Dr Shaw plays a Small but Vital Role in what Davids Agenda is... she is incapacitated for the most part,  and without SIN (Satans Daughter) there would be NO Xenomorph, they also claimed Mankind plays the Larger Role in the Xenomorph Origin and NOT Engineers.  Finally they said Concept work showed a Human Female Connected to a Bio-Mechanical Device.  And there was like Pods containing Humanoid Fetus/Babies being Grown.

The Sabotage Element is a GOOD point... its something i was drawn to as well, i actually wondered if the LAST Engineer had Sabotaged the Mission?  Funny enough the Schematics for the Cryo-Pod Room had the Last Engineers Cryo-Pod Labeled as HERO CHAMBER which could fit with a Saboteur/Savior Figure. 

The idea of the Engineers being Engineered Beings and maybe a SLAVE race for the Engineers fits within the whole Philosophy of Prometheus.   The Source i had did claim the Engineers were not the GODS but are a layer of Creation with another Race above them.

This fits with Ridley Scott when he claimed they DID-NOT want to meet GOD in the first movie.. in regards to the Removal of the Full Sacrificial Scene (Elders), he also said David and Shaw would be off to the Engineers Homeworld where they would meet these beings who are NOT Gods in the Traditional Sense.

Combined with the Look of the Planet 4 Engineers, the Advent, and how RS claimed those Engineers are the Originals... and when he was talking about AI... he said David is AI, and Roy Batty is AI and so INDEED the Engineers on LV-223/Prometheus could be to those on Planet 4 as Replicants are to Humans.

Lastly... the Source claimed that in context to Paradise Lost, that the Punishment Sent down on the Fallen Angels (Turning them to Serpents) actually releases them from Bondage/Slavery.  I think they was hinting that a PUNISHMENT was sent to the LV-223 Engineers but instead of Destroying them... it Released them from Bondage/Provided them with something to use to their Advantage.

REGARDING the Different Temple Complexes on LV-223, yes maybe each one has a different Version of the Black Goo.  This fits with Jon Spaights concepts.. which appeared to show us the Engineers encountered a Organism... and using their Creation Tool (Nano Scarabs/Goo) they attempted to Harness and Re-Engineer Many Versions as much as 7-8 different kinds of Xenomorph like Bio-Weapons.

So yes maybe each Complex had a different Version.

"The Engineers, if they are still alive somewhere, might come to investigate what happened on Paradise and, on seeing what David did and the crashed Juggernaut, they would go back to LV223 to destroy the planet together with the last remaining pathogen and Juggernauts stationed there. Or could be they did it already and the solar flare incident was the result of that action?"

This Certainly is a Good Response....  a lot depends on the Returning Engineers Knowledge of LV-223, the Pathogen and the intentions on LV-223 Leading up to the Outbreak.    The ADVENT does imply the Engineers tried to Banish the Wolf... Thus Turning their Back on Mankind on Earth and LV-223...

They may assume a Abandoned Human Race would NEVER be able to Travel in Space let alone arrive at LV-223. HOWEVER... this would all Change NO soon as they start to investigate Planet 4

If they determine the Human corpses (which they discover a Synthetic Human Likeness) they could maybe determine these Humans came from Earth... unless Earth is the only place where Humans are... and also they would determine a Human Likeness in the Juggernaughts Recordings and Determine it came from LV-223.

So you would ASSUME any returning Engineers would WANT to make sure that any THREAT from Mankind and LV-223 are BOTH taken Care of....

I cant say much about the Solar Flare being caused by LV-223 being Destroyed.. if this was the case i feel the destruction would have meant LV-223 is not far from Planet 4 and the Engineers would arrive in NO-TIME and Intercept David and the Covenant with Ease.

I do think by the time of ALIEN or at latest prior to ALIENS then Origae-6, Planet 4 and LV-223 must all be ELIMINATED as any Source for Engineers Technology, Bio-Weapons and the Xenomorph leaving only the DERELICT as the ONLY Source. (Latter Ripley)

I would also add that the ADVENT mentions the Prometheus Mission and so Logically the Company would send a Mission to Explore this Place after they receive the ADVENT but sometimes Logic does not apply to the Franchise.

"at some point the maker must have the option to take over its control."

Indeed you would think so, and a way that the Synthetic Can-not disable it.. (Protection/Shut Off Switch) We need to remember that DAVID was Weylands Personnel Synthetic and like a SON to him and so he may have lacked many Safe-Guards maybe at the Hubris of Weyland who may have OVERLOOKED any Potential Uprising/Out of Control David.

Maybe Weyland had a Agenda for David... to Create a synthetic in the Conquest to Beat Immortality... as if Weyland could Transfer his Soul (Memories and Experiences and Emotions) to a AI and upload this to a Perfected Synthetic... then WEYLAND would become IMMORTAL this is what i was exploring with my Prometheus 2 draft from about 4-5 years ago now that i abandoned... OPERATION ROOK it was called.

The DEACON was a Plot Device to show a connection between LV-223, the Black Goo and Engineers and Xenomorph.  The Deacon Mural may have been a Precursor to the Xenomorph.  The PLOT has changed now so that the Xenomorph is NO-LONGER Thousands of years old.

It would have been interesting to see Dr Shaws Deacon what kind of a Procreation would this Organism have?  As for Size... well it was about 4-5ft Tall and i would assume a Mammal/Xeno Hybrid and so if we go by the Growth Rates of Mammals, then a Fully Adult Deacon would have been about 14-16ft, Some People Felt the Deacon did not look very HORRIFIC....  But then a New Born/Few Days Old BEAR, LION, TIGER, WOLF all look Cute and Not Threatening... compared to ADULT. So the Potential to Change the Deacon a bit with Maturity and it being 15ft+ could have made for a very Terrifying Encounter.

5) Its seems David is at this point doing a Charade of Walter, his objective is to report back to Mission Control that the Covenant is on its way despite suffering a Set-Back...  where David is informing the Company the losses are via the Nutrino Burst Event.

6) I dont think we are aware of WHEN the Advent Viral had been sent, we also have to think that David is NOT Stupid and so it depends what his Goal/Agenda is... if it is to set up a Colony he knows it will take 7 Years 4 Months to arrive on Origae-6 and so Chances are he WOULD-NOT want the Company to arrive at Origae-6 until he has Set in Place what ever Objective he has next as far as the Fate of the Colonist.  So he could have sent the ADVENT a while after he has been on his way to Origae-6 and so he may have sent this after he received a reply to the WALTER Message. 

7) This is interesting as its Basically David saying quite a bit about his Creation and the THREAT it poses.... Seems a odd thing for him to say, because surely the Company would come in ARMED and Prepared but then maybe they DONT know Fully what they are dealing with... because Special Order 937 it appears the Humans at least are not aware still of much of the THREAT to what they are dealing with.

What we cant rule out is IF there is a AI Element at play... how out of Control has that Genie out of the Bottle Got?  Ridley Scott said the next movie would be more about AI and not Xenomorphs (which does not mean NO Xenomorphs). And so WHO knows really how IN-CONTROL AI is without Mankind knowing about it...  So maybe the Advent is a way to let any AI Rogue Element have knowledge so they can put in place a Plan and the Humans will be BAIT?  I cant say for sure that AI has Control over the Company... playing a Waiting Game like Darth Sidious was when he was Charade as Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Republic but i think it could fit with Ridley Scotts Comments and Explain why ASH was so Fascinated by the Xenomorph.   We need to REMEMBER that Out of Control AI is something that Plagues the Earth at the time of Alien Resurrection.

8) Ridley Scott mentions that Engineers come and go from Planet 4 at certain intervals, and looking at the Back Ground from Prometheus, its LIKELY the Engineers would be Located in other Parts of the Galaxy too, and even OTHER Galaxies.

I dont think they are EXTINCT because i feel Ridley Scott feels the ENGINEERS are one of the Key Players and Things to Bring LIFE back to the Franchise.  I feel the Engineers and their History/Culture and where else and what else they have been/created was something he had started with Prometheus and Reflects his comments about being ahead of the Curve with Prometheus.

9) Ridley Scott had mentioned he saw the Franchise as having Potential to be big like Star Wars and Star Trek he wanted to STEER away from ALIEN with Prometheus but it appears his HAND was FORCED somewhat to give us a Direct Prequel.   The Engineers Plot opened up the Franchise to their Race, Conflicts and other Races they Created and Interacted with.

A War of the Worlds would Contradict the Alien Franchise a bit.. UNLESS Ridley Scott intended to Remove ALIENS on wards from Canon.. or have the most HUGE coverup and conspiracy at play.

But introducing us to the Engineers does leave the Door Open to explore where else these beings are in the Galaxy and Who Else they could be at Conflict with.  I feel a WAR OF THE WORLDS... aka.. Engineers, vs Humans, vs Synthetics vs Xenomorphs.. would be a bit contradicting  IF this WAR is brought too close to Earth.

Regarding the FATE of the Space Jockey and those Eggs... MY MONEY is on the Engineers or other Race seeing Davids Xenomorph as NEAR Perfection and Ending up on LV-223 to EVOLVE it and set off on a WAR OF THE WORLDS.... Either at the Hubris of this Being or at the Sabotage by DAVID.

If anyone has any answers regarding the questions asked below, I would be grateful to listen to them.

1) This is a interesting Question, we need to look at Davids Agenda..  If it is to Purely Create the Xenomorph in Mass, then David has OTHER Eggs on Planet 4.. There is Black Goo on Planet 4.  It appears David has reached near Perfection with his Creation and so taking the Black Goo alone would mean STARTING all over again..   The Best Option for him would be getting 1-2 Ampoules of Black-Goo,  and using this with those Embryos to Pass on those Traits onto a FEMALE Humans Reproductive Egg Cells.  This appears to be in part the Process David used to Create his Xenomorphs...  OTHERWISE we have to ask how does TWO Face Huggers Procreate THOUSANDS of Eggs...

Egg Morph? This would be interesting?   But David said in the ADVENT he needs to Perfect his Queen and i doubt Ridley Scott would go the route of Face Hugger + Daniels = Xenomorph Queen.

Who knows if the THOUSANDS of Eggs does not happen until we get to LV-223?  And maybe only ONE of those Xenomorphs gets on the loose on Origae-6... but then this goes against Davids Pursuit of his QUEEN.

2) This is a Good Question, i would think Walter/Synthetic has a certain amount of Control, who knows what Safe-Gaurds the Company has against a Synthetic so that only a Human Ranking Officer can Amend some Controls/Commands of the Ship.. in which case the Synthetic would have to AWAKEN a Crew Member with such Privileges.  So maybe Walter (David) could Awaken Tennessee and gain some more Control, but he would want to know WHY he has not asked Daniels and were SHE is... a Sticky Situation for David but one which could make a interesting Scene... as David gets what he wants and Tennessee discovers who David is... Forcing David to Eradicate him.

I would ASSUME that David could operate the Lander, but also we need to REMEMBER that David had managed to input a CODE to MUTHUR does the Ship have Hidden Codes that David could Access?  Or Did David Program a set of Commands and Codes as WALTER while the Surviving Crew got up to what ever Business they did for a Few Hours after they made it to the Covenant.

3) This is a MASSIVE Question, i covered this in my previous post and so a lot depend on his Agenda...  i guess Turning up to Earth or close by would be a bit suspicious, and depends on HOW MUCH the Company know, which could be a fair bit from the Covenant.  A David turning up to Earth or heading here with Xenomorphs in a attempt to destroy Mankind would be a Easy Threat for a MILITARY ship to Destroy the Covenant.   Going to LV-223 or another Engineer World and getting a Juggernaught would be the better way to ERADICATE Mankind... or even sneaking some Urns on the Covenant and sneaking them to Earth and then Unleashing the Contents into the Atmosphere/Water.  It would appear that CREATING what ever World David wants is his Main Objective rather than to instantly KILL Mankind which conflicts with some of what David has said in Alien Covenant.  I think he is BANKING on the Greed of the Company and wishing to Exploit Davids Discoveries and Creation would lead to a GREAT FOLLY/HUBRIS for the Greedy Executives..

4) A lot depends WHAT and WHEN the company gets the ADVENT message, but then its a Question of IS another Ship Due to arrive at Origae-6 Many Years after the Covenant has set up SHOP? so another Ship could be WELL on its way before the Company get the ADVENT Message.. But then it depends when they get the Message... IF they get it before any other Mission is due to Depart... then sure they would have some Contingency Plan/Military/Scientific Expedition Planned.  A LOT Depends on the Moral Compass and Agenda of the Company.. and WHO is calling the Shots... could HUMANS be so Cruel to Send Lambs to the Slaughter?  Or is their a AI Element thats running the Show with Mankind not in the know?

Thats the First 4.... the others are more connected so i will answer them separate.

So much to cover.... Before i try and ANSWER Daliens Questions and respond to some of the replies.. i will touch upon the ideas for how to PROCEED with the Franchise.

Its nice to hear people on here who have seen the Potential with maybe Ridley Scotts Vision, and so people who DONT see the Prequels about MAD ROBOTS and thinking we need a more XENOMORPHY Connecting Point.

Like some on here include Michelle, i think indeed Davids Arc can be fixed, and we need to go about adding some Humanity to his Character and some Redemption,  because as she kind of said... going the route of a EVIL MAD ROBOT who is HELL BENT on only Creating the Xenomorph to use on Mankind... is something that i am not sure people would be interested in.   As a lot of Fans would be looking to see David killed off due to the Character/Arc much like how Dr Shaw was when her Character/Arc was not to everyone's likes... where as SHE could have been Salvaged with a Character/Arc Change.

The MAIN Focus does appear that David is in part responsible for the Xenomorph on LV-426 and thus if David and Shaw never left LV-223 then we would not have any Xenomorphs on LV-426

We have David in Control of the Colony Ship the Covenant with only TWO Face Hugger Embryos, thats a LOT less than the Xenomorph Eggs on the DERELICT but we have to look at the Number of Colonist on the Covenant... THOUSANDS of Good Souls..  so the NEXT FOCUS will have to be Davids Objective and Agenda... If it is to simply Create a Army of Xenomorphs.... then David could do that by taking Colonist down to Planet 4 instead of going to Origae-6 he could even Create MANY while on the Covenant...  But Origae-6 would provide a GOOD TRAP but so could a Stranded Covenant Ship.... but if David was to use the Covenant Ship or a Planet to Incubate his Xenomorphs as a Trap, then the Planet would be better...  But in either case David has GIVEN a lot away in his ADVENT not a clever message if you wish to Set-Up a Trap....  HOWEVER... here is something to Consider... if David wishes to Destroy Mankind... then surely a Engineer Ship from LV-223 with the Black Goo would do the better job.

So DAVIDS AGENDA... is the Key thing to look at... and it appears he will be heading to the Planet... so we can assume Origae-6 which will take nearly 7.5 years and so if David sets right off after Alien Covenant he would arrive at Origae-6 around the end of APRIL 2112 and so 10 YEARS prior to ALIEN

So NEXT we have to ASSUME David arrives at Origae-6 around April 2112 and the Question is WHAT does he do then? and WHAT has he done in the years leading to this (7 years. 4 Months) maybe it could be to Mass Produce Xenomorphs... but Planet 4 has many more, LV-223 has more Stocks of the Pathogen...   and so TWO Important things to take into account are.... Ridley Scotts comments about the Next Movie would not be about Xenomorphs.. not mainly, it would be about AI and also his comments about "what kind of a World would David Create" which means we surely wont be seeing David experimenting and creating Many Xenomorphs.. at least this would not be the Majority of the Movie...

For a MOVIE to do well, we need Characters who we can invest in and connect with so we feel their Jeopardy and this could come from the COLONISTS... but also any Future INCOMING Human Ships sent to Origae-6.

Much like the Crossing Period... we cant really invest a lot of Screen Time to the goings on BETWEEN when David has placed those Embryos on the Covenant.... to when some 88 Months latter when he arrives at Origae-6 so its likely that David takes the Covenant to Origae-6 and the Colony Begins to be set up.... which means David has to come up with a Good Explanation for the Missing Crew, and Charade as Walter..

SO....... we have arrived at this POINT... but there are a few things that NEED to happen if this Movie will eventually lead to ALIEN

*The Xenomorph lacks the Aesthetic of the Derelict Xenomorphs, and so is this a Oversight or will we see some EVOLUTION to Davids Creation.

*For David's Creations to end up on the DERELICT we need a Engineer Ship.

*This Engineer Ship has to for some reason be heading towards or leaving LV-223 at the point where the SPACE JOCKEY suffers his Fate.

Ridley Scott Mentions that Engineers will Return, they wont be pleased and they will be after were ever David has gone... THIS has to be the way the Engineer Ships come into play.  

LV-426 is no-where near Origae-6 and so there has to be a REASON for why a Engineer ship may arrive at Origae-6 and then Depart for LV-223.  

*Does David take the Engineers Ship from after it arrives on Origae-6?

*Do the Engineers take Davids Creations on the Ship, but why head to LV-223?

Maybe they make a Covenant together? I also think the Engineers or who ever return, may have a INTEREST in Davids Creation and maybe Attempt to Perfect this by taking it to LV-223?  At the FOLLY/HUBRIS of tampering with Davids Creation.

I think these are the Elements that will have to come into play, but there are many ways these can be explored....  They form the broad story for my Alien Covenant Sequel which is Alien: Ascension  which leads to the Final ACT which is Alien: Absolution where we get to the Space Jockey and Cover Up all the Cracks/Plot Holes ;)

I will get to reply to other comments on this Topic, but i will first reply to the OT.

"David: There was so much potential on this world. Wasted by "Gods" who feared their own might. They convinced themselves that sacrifice would cleanse them of their sins. But in the end, they were like me..... "

We know that the Engineer have been referenced as Gods a number of times, but not Gods in the Traditional Sense.  If we assume this World is the Paradise that the Engineer spoke to David about when David had talked to the Engineer about why the Prometheus had came... Where the Engineer informed David THEY do-not come from LV-223 but from a World we would call Paradise.

so we have to look at what is Paradise, this is a place that has a number of different meanings depending on Religion/Culture but it is Mostly a place where only the WORTHY are allowed to go... only those who are Deemed Worth being allowed here.. This varies culture to culture but sometimes its those Who Have Died in Battle/Honorable Death, those Who Die in the name of GOD.  Sometimes those who are Pure, and keep the Honor/Word of GOD.

The other context for PARADISE is the Cradle of Creation....  and so with Planet 4 we can look at it in BOTH those ways... This was a place where those Engineers were maybe deemed PURE/WORTHY it could be a place that the Seeded Worlds/Life-forms who have not Sinned against the Great Agenda/Purpose are taken... a place for the Worthy Humanoid Creations.  HOWEVER... it could be the Place also where CREATION began..

It would appear that David saw so much more Potential in Creation, that the Engineers Did-Not... maybe this could be in context of the EVOLUTION of Species and maybe a NOD to the LV-223 Engineers. (Genetically Engineered) so David has seen more Potential with the Engineers Black Goo Creation/Evolution Tool.  That the Engineers had maybe Turned their backs on.

Sacrifice, Sin and Lambs are all interesting because the LAMB often refers to in Biblical Sense of Purity, Innocence and Sin-Less, a Lamb is Sacrificed for the Greater Good and a Pure Offering to GOD.  The Lamb is also referenced with the LAMB OF GOD which is Jesus Christ and more so the representation of how Pure, and without Sin that CHRIST is and also that it is through Christ that Everyone could be WASHED of Sin and made Pure again.

so the Engineers Sacrifice to Wash Away their Sin, could be seen as them offering a Sacrifice to their GOD the same as the Abrahamic Religions Sacrifice of a Lamb, and so indeed Sacrifice and appeasing GOD and Ridding of Sin could all be connected in Context to the Engineers.

The Question comes to WHO is the Lamb of the Engineers?  Some of their own... Pure/Perfection/Virgins?  Or Mankind?

"But in the end, they were like me..... "

This is a interesting part too, because the Engineers are/were Creators, which David has become using their Tools of Creation.  But also DAVID was a SLAVE a Servant... and maybe the Engineers or a Caste of them were Slaves too at One Point.

The Ancient Ritual of Sacrifice is interesting because this Cruel Ritual could be regarding the Sacrifice of a Engineer to Seed Worlds... but i feel this Ritual is something seen as a Honor for the Chosen Sacrifice. So the Question is if this refers to a MUCH latter kind of Sacrifice and for what purpose is this... and is this a Sacrifice to Create with the Black Goo,  Sacrifice to something Created from the Black Goo (Xenomorph like Organisms) or simply to Sacrifice their Body/Soul as in the Sacrificial Scene... this is the very AMBIGUOUS part.  And ONE which Planet 4 does not give much Clues about...    Apart from Pondering if the Table in the HALL OF HEADS was some kind of Ritual Sacrifice Table.   LV-223 gave some Sacrificial Clues but they was very Ambiguous also.

The Wolf is interesting as its usually a sign of Balance/Self-Control and in context to the Bible, it represents a number of things... often appears as a Warning to those who lead a Stray, also as a Ravenous Predator and so when looking at the Biblical Accounts and what Verses come before and after... it appears to Represent a Punishment for those who Stray Away from GOD or their Lambs.  (so those who stray from Innocence, Purity without Sin).   It also appears as a Warning that Wolves may be among us, as in the Corrupt and False Prophets.

So a Wolf to the Engineers could be their Inner Struggle/Corruption that they hope to get rid of by Sacrifice... it could indicate that Sacrifice themselves to the Wolf cleans them of SIN the other context with the WOLF could be a Punishment to use against those who are SINFUL and as the Wolf can represent Balance/Control this fits with a Wolf being used as a Method to Bring Balance/Control thus fitting with Davids Comment about "Beings that understood you must give life to both the Wolf and the Lamb."

The next Question is regarding.. "But then they tried to banish the Wolves and undo their creation"

This really is Ambiguous and maybe i need to do a bit more digging on this one.   We see from the Context of the Engineers they apparently CREATED Mankind..  Prometheus appears to show us those LV-223 Engineers and the Bio-Weapon are a attempt to UNDO their Creation and so could the Bio-Weapon Experiments AND/OR the LV-223 Engineers the WOLF?

HOWEVER.... we also know they Created the Bio-Weapons on LV-223, and maybe the Undoing is Towards this Creation or those LV-223 Engineers?

Can we even rule out Mankind as the Wolves?

Congratulations.

I am sure many on here would be interested in reading your work, especially those on the Godzilla/Kaiju Related Part of the site.

I missed the Topic as it was during a period when i had a lot on my Plate.

I will attempt to contribute latter as its a very interesting Topic.

Something that maybe plays a larger role than we may think is the LATIN Language, indeed a lot of the Engineer Writing can be Translated to a ENGLISH Alphabet, but its when we take these WORDS and translate them from Greek but more so Latin that we end up with Words that make any sense.

When Translating Origae, Origa and Auriga from Greek to English we get nothing, but when we translate from LATIN we get the following.

Origae = Origin: and indeed this is a Origin Tale.

Origa = Driver: the next chapter is supposed to drive us to ALIEN

Auriga = The Driver and indeed is a Constellation.

So it is highly likely Origae-6 will be a World within the Constellation of Auriga we know the next Chapter was intended to DRIVE us closer to ALIEN and the Quest to Answer the ORIGIN of those Eggs on the Derelict.

Auriga is also a SLAVE with Gladiator Status Tasked with Driving a BIGA (Chariot)  to essentially Chauffeur around Important Roman Military Personnel.   So this could Represent the SPACE JOCKEY but also it could be David.

The Charioteer of Delphi is also known as the Auriga of Delphi and so indeed a common connection is a Charioteer when we are looking at the word AURIGA

It will be interesting to see if this place Oriage-6 has any connection with the Engineers, or if it will just be the location of where the Engineers Chariot departs heading towards LV-223.

I wonder if Origae-6 will actually be located in the System Delta Aurigae

I think those are VERY good points...

I think there is more chance of a AVP Reboot than seeing another Alien movie, i have mentioned this before.

Ridley Scotts Prequel Franchise is in a State of Limbo, because Disney would surely see that even introducing the Xenomorph did not make $$$$$$ so they would Question was it the Xenomorph or the way it was used?   They would understand a lot of folk are disappointed in HOW David is the so called Creator of the Xenomorph, and also how some are no happy the Emphasis on the Prequels is about David.

So there is a lot for Disney to consider because the main FOCUS for them would be to make $$$$$$$$ but also avoid a Movie that Tarnishes the Xenomorph.

With Fassbender playing a Android means that they cant leave this Prequel indefinitely, as if they continue and start shooting in 5 years then how do they Fool us that Fassbender is playing a Android who should appear as he would have  12 years prior when shooting Prometheus.

So indeed the Franchise is in LIMBO... and its maybe why eventually a AFTERMATH movie will come next were we will SKIP for the Most Part what ever the Next Movie could have entailed.

With Prometheus we ended with Dr Shaw and David leaving (we can assume) LV-223 in a Juggernaught, we have a separate Weyland and Yutani Company.   In the 10 years that Transpired we know the Company has Merged to Weyland-Yutani, and David has arrived on Planet 4 Bombarded the Place and Experimented on all sorts of Life-Forms including Dr Shaw and Engineers.

But those 10 years we SKIPPED and only arrived in the aftermath.

So the Logical Route to go if they continue the Prequels may have to be again a AFTERMATH and so we arrive AFTER what ever Transpires DURING the Covenants Journey, and AFTER it arrives on Origae-6

Which really only limits it to a kind of Re-Hash of Aliens...

Apparently some of it in Prometheus was just a jumble of the Engineer Alphabet but some of it you had to translate their alphabet and then when you get the WORD you then have to translate it to GREEK and also some Words  to LATIN to get the meaning.

The Problem is knowing where the Spaces are....  WELCOMETOYOURDOOM  "welcome to your doom" may be easy to make it if your English is Good, but if you dont know a word of English then you would struggle to make any sense of it because of now knowing where the Spaces are between each word.

THIS is the biggest Problem when Faced with trying to Translate Engineer....

Apparently however most of the writing in Alien Covenant actually has been thought out and Translated. But the Problem again is where do the Spaces Come?

Closest i have came is " provided on the net"

I Moon Girl Disney in control? With the Comcast intervention we don't know how the merger is going, so it might be no one is in control right now, meaning no commitment to a sequel.

Hail Hail Prometheus.

the prequel concept was awesome and Prometheus was a great start imo.

dk said, "Leave the franchise alone at this point for theatrical releases"

I'm going to argue against this at the moment.  The idea of the story for Prometheus was spot on.  The Alien: Covenant story just got to warped with the idea that a Xeno HAD to be in it.  It probably wouldn't have received such bad comments if it wasn't forced into the story.  For example,  the title has the word A L I E N in it.  That is now what everyone is expecting to see, whether they are a fan or not of the whole franchise.  Then, how the Xeno was treated in the movie went against everything that the franchise built up with the original four.  I mean, Xeno's have rights, YOU KNOW!  Alien: Covenant was fairly abusive to the Xeno.  It really tested fans long held beliefs of the whole franchise.  For example, "where did the Xeno come from?" "Why is the Xeno not scary?" "What are these monkey sounded pale things running around?  Where's the Xeno?" (I would like to admit that I did enjoy some of the Neomorph action.)

I think the two prequels we got, and hopefully the final third, are actually a great idea.  I would've been very upset if Prometheus wasn't played in theaters.  I would HATE to see a Prometheus TV show.  I think it would just lose it's unnerving pace since there would have to at least be 24 hours before the next one comes on.  Alien: Covenant just got caught up in how corporate can make more money off of a great idea.  I would like to see a third and final prequel.  After the prequels are done, I really just don't know where the franchise can go.  We did the the "Out of the Shadow" trilogy in the novels and I did like the first two (haven't read the third, but I have the book) (I liked the 2nd one better then the first.  I felt the first was just stretching the Ripley character to much and it kind of makes it unbelievable since it kind of intertwines with the original four.  I'm not going into details though)

So, in short... I feel like the Alien franchise is on tract with the prequels.  It's just that sadly Ridley Scott is just getting mixed up with Alien: Covenant.  Sadly, I don't know where the franchise can go next, while still staying fresh for the fans...

I was thinking that Alien: Awakening was going to be another Prometheus, in it's own way, but now that Disney is in control and with the fact that I'm not seeing any news on production for the 3rd of the prequels, we could be left in a state of despair since all we now think about is Alien: Covenant... 

All hail Prometheus!!! 

"For me the Crossing (to the promised land) and Advent (awaiting the coming of the Messiah and anticipated in "The Nativity" by Piero della Francesca in the prologue of A:C) is the real story. The Covenant has come into it and is now anchored to David's journey to the constellation of Origa from which Origae is derived the constellation of the helmsman, ostler, driver, charioteer or perchance the Jockey."

I think this is an outstanding discovery Michelle! I always felt like they wanted to tell us something with the name of their initial goal "Origae-6". I have googled "origa" and "origae" but never found anything. So I came to the conclusion, that it must be a fantasy-name then. But you're right. Since the Space Jockey is something which ultimately must be addressed in the sequel(s) it's not far-fetched to guess that Origae-6 has something to do with the Space Jockey.

If you take the singular of "Origae" you get "Origa" and when you replace the "o" in with an "au" you get "Auriga" - which in fact is

a) a stellar constellation and

b) translates from Latin to "the charioteer".

The connection to the jockey should be obvious. So that's a nice easter egg right there.

BigDave

Why do you take for granted that the sequel will be made? Now that Comcast intervened in the Disney-Fox merge, the series will be losing even more momentum and if The Predator does good the possibility of a new AVP will increase dramatically. 

Because RS seems to be obsessed with psychos nowadays (in a recent interview he stated how much he liked Killing Eve) there is no way David would not be the only thing he will be giving a damn. And where did M Foxbender disappeared? 

just like the rest of the prequels this language thing is a bit all over the place. if this alphabet is accurate, is it meant to be a straight into English translation or is it another language (greek etc) but in English and so we have to translate it again. yet which language? did the engineers influence the greek language? did they come and see how far the greeks had come and thought that they were progressing just fine so they didn't have much influence at all? if this is the case then it may even be a much older language but surely Fox wouldn't make it that difficult for fans to translate.

'come to planet4 she says,itl be a relaxing break she says.second day here,weathers shit and now this.pffft'

"what do you think they have said in their last moments"

I think it touched on this here, but i have more so HERE

I assume they are welcoming a Seeding Ship, where some of these Engineers would be Chosen to be Sacrificed to allow for their DNA to Seed Worlds.

So i think they was excited at the returning ship... until the Bombardment Happened...

Then they said THIS!

"Where the narrative needed more certainty is in the tactical explanation of what exactly the relationship of the airfield was to the derelict and what exactly was the relationship between the Urns and the Eggs... all of which could easily have been explained. "

This certainly is a interesting Question, i feel that the plot has many flaws, if we look at this place being a Weapons Facility Designed to Create a Bio-Weapon to Destroy Mankind.

Going by the Clues.....   The Sacrificial Scene was of great importance to the Engineers, this could be any place, Earth, LV-223, Planet 4 or anywhere really...  Prometheus seemed to show that regardless at some point the Engineers DNA is our Ancestry and they visited us over thousands and thousands of years...  

And that without the Engineers Interactions, many of our Myths, Religions even Technology/Knowledge would not be here and we would at best be Cave-Men drawing what he Hunted in Caves and Maybe soon going the way the Neanderthals went.

Across Many Cultures over many Time-Periods we are shown a STAR-MAP that leads to LV-223, dating as far back as 35'000 years ago some 33'000 years before things went to POT on LV-223

WHY show us a Map to a Outpost that would be used to Develop Weapons to be used on us, some many Thousands of Years latter?

*Where the Bio-Weapons on LV-223 35'000 years ago? Why could they maintain Safety for 33 Thousand Years, before the LV-223 Outbreak?

*If these Weapons was not Produced until Many Thousands of years later, then what was LV-223 35'000 years ago?

To me the Weapon Facility DOES-NOT make Sense....

I am trying to not go TOO DEEP into this... but if the Sacrificial Scene was a Benevolent Act... its to WHOM and for what Purpose?  The Biggest Clues come from Alien: Covenant... our Engineers Do-Not appear the same as those in Prometheus but also we see that they have FEMALES  so we have to Question what Purpose was the Sacrificial Scene...  In Jon Spaights works we find out our Engineers have Evolved/Engineered themselves past the point of Procreation and yet while they can LIVE for Thousands of Years, they are not IMMORTAL

We dont know how much this now applies.... but Ridley Scott says those Planet 4 Engineers are the Originals... he claims they LIVE for about 150 years.  So they look different and dont live as long as Spaights Intended...

YET.... Ridley Scott refers to the Engineers as Gardeners of Space... he called them Fallen Angels in Prometheus, but we dont know if this applies to those on Planet 4 (Originals)

So if we look at the PLANET 4 Engineers, and Assume the Juggernauts are Bio-Weapon Bombers...  do those Engineers know about the Bio-Weapons? Why was they welcoming the Juggernaught and not in FEAR until the Bombardment?

The Arrival appeared to be a important event, and looking at the Plaza we have the Hanger and those Statues around it.... they appear as Buddhist Offering Statues and those on the Pillars are many of the Engineers.

Ridley Scott Spoke of the Sacrificial Scene, he mentioned it was like Ancient Tribes who would Choose a Sacrifice who would go around for a Year Treated like a Prince.. until they day of the Sacrifice, where he would be Sacrificed for the GREATER Cause...  Our Engineers being Galactic Space Gardeners, and the Sacrificial Scene maybe taking place on MANY Worlds...

What became of the Tear-Drop Ship?  The Process of taking/selecting a Perfect Engineer Specimen to Sacrifice to SEED his/hers Perfect DNA?

IF we look at Spaights ideas for the Black Goo, we can see they had Nano-Scarabs that Consume a Engineer and Store Engineer DNA, and ONE of these Bites a Primate on Earth that leads to a ENGINEER-PRIMATE Hybrid.... Fast Forwards... and FIFIELD falls into a URN and it releases Scarabs that Bite him yet he Turns into a XENOMORPH-HUMAN Hybrid... Thus these Scarabs maybe consumed DNA from a Sacrificed Xenomorph or Related Organism...  Alien Engineers appears to hint the Engineers discover a Organism and Re-weaponize it into 7-8 different versions of it.

By-passing the Xenomorph Connection... my point was to show the Sacrificial Substance was a TOOL for collecting DNA of a Organism to use to create Hybrids with any Organism it comes into contact with.

THEREFOR....

I am led to believe the Juggernauts/Urns are a Evolution of the Sacrificial Ritual.  WHY send a Lone Engineer when you could Sacrifice him and collect his DNA to be stored in URNS and drop them to SEED worlds.... a more Efficient Method than the Tear Drop/Pebble Ship.

So IF the Juggernauts are for this Purpose it would explain WHY those Engineers were-not AFRAID and actually Welcomed it, as to be Chosen as a Sacrifice is a GREAT Honor, where they select a number of Engineers (gives Bio-Diversity with DNA) and they will LIVE ON in the Life that is Created from their Sacrifice and MAYBE they have a Monument Erected in their Name/Image in the Plaza.

THUS.... i feel LV-223 was a Watchers Outpost, a Place maybe where the Engineers used this place as a Nursery/Greenhouse to Evolve and Experiment on their Creations, and Seeding to Worlds those they were PLEASED with.  The Star Maps showing Mankind... THIS is where YOU came from.

HOWEVER.....

Something Happened, and this i feel is the Mystery that is hard to Pin Point exactly what happened... 

*Did we do something to upset the Engineers?

*Did the Engineers try and Evolve and Create a Superior Version of themselves... at a Hubris for using the Creation Tool in a unintended way?

*Where those Prometheus Engineers Created to be used as Sacrifices, did they Rebel like the IGGI against the ANNUNAKI?

I feel something along these lines of those points above may have happened....

*Was Mankind a Creation to Replace those LV-223 Engineers?

*Where those LV-223 Engineers supposed to Watch After us, but Rebelled and then tried to Cast Dominion over us?

So did they grow JEALOUS of us?

The connection between the Black Goo/Sacrificial here is what i have always been drawn too... but Alien Covenant does kind of contradict it a bit.

The connection to what LV-223 was, is backed up a bit with how i view the Welcoming Engineers in Alien Covenant and the lack of fear of the Juggernaught....

But these are just my interpretations ...

The Xenomorph/LV-223 Engineers connection is a little more of a Grey Area for me... with 3-4 ways to explore it...

One is maybe if those LV-223 Engineers are Created Clones by the Planet 4 Engineers to Replace them for Seeding Worlds... Planet 4 Engineers = Annunaki,  LV-223 = Iggi (also to the Planet 4 Engineers as Replicants are to Humans).

So those Prometheus Engineers Can-Not Procreate but only SEED their DNA, they got Fed Up.... maybe against Mankind, maybe against the Planet 4 Engineers.

They come into contact with a Parasite/Organism, that is either Sent as a Punishment or the Punishment is a Hubris for trying to Manipulate them.   From this those Prometheus Engineers end up giving Birth to a CHEST BUSTER and they either see this as PERFECTION or they see this as a way for them to GIVE BIRTH to Live that they Can-Not and see this as PERFECTION

And so begins their Experiments... either to Rid Mankind, or maybe also their Brothers/Creators on Planet 4...  I have not yet figured out which way this Conflict goes...  if its Humans vs Engineers, Engineers Planet 4 vs LV-223 or all three..

But i do feel there is a connection to what i say above....

Ridley Scott i feel gives clues when he talked about AI... in that David is AI, Roy Batty is AI and so MAYBE Prometheus Engineers are AI?

This in Part is my OVERALL interpretation of the Engineer connection.

"I would not care, so what to do next? Better human characters, more about the Engineers and their connection to the Xeno, less androids, and less David. This is a movie that I want to see, not a David 2."

I think this is where Problems lie...

It really is hard to carry on and introduce the Engineers and Humans together and tie in the Engineers Relationship with the Xenomorph (which may be none if David Creates it) its hard to do any of this without David being the Middle Man.

Right now here is the deal with have...

Origae-6 is the World the Covenant was due to reach, but right now we have David in Control of the Ship, the Colonist are all ASLEEP and David has his Notes and TWO Face Huggers.... If we take the ADVENT as Canon... then David has informed the Company a bit about where he came from (Prometheus Mission LV-223) and what he has done (Experiments with Engineer Black Goo) and that if they follow his work his Creations will Rule the Galaxy.

So Human Characters could come from the Colonist that awake/awakened and how they discover the Horrors David has unleashed or his plans and HOW they deal with him and Escape.

Do these Horrors/Colonist come into conflict during the Journey on the Covenant? or after they arrive at Origae-6?

The Company that intercepts Davids Advent Olive Branch they would maybe know where David had Been.. Planet 4, they would surely know he had been to LV-223 and that is a KEY place to Check Out. They also know the Covenant is on its way to Origae-6 so the PROBLEM we have is how do we introduce and carry on with these Human Potential Interactions if David is Dead and WHEN does he Die?

The Engineers will arrive back at Planet 4 and from arriving here they will DISCOVER some how, that the Devastation was caused by at least Human-looking beings be it Human Corpses, Walter, Dr Shaw Corpse and the Holo-gram Recordings of the Juggernaught.  Its a case of WHAT Clues can lead the Engineers to know these are Humans from Earth... (unless Humans are only seeded on Earth) and then its  a case of HOW do they know it was David?   The best Clues would be via WALTER or the Hollogram on the Juggernaught (if it recorded the Bombardment Scene) but then they could think WALTER caused this?

If they Determine Humans are from Earth, and they discover the Juggernauts Flight Path they will discover the Juggernaught came from LV-223 (if this is the only place they could come from) then if they are aware of LV-223 and its mission to Earth... then the Engineers would surely be heading to LV-223 and Earth and so its HOW do they arrive at Origae-6 or know the Covenant ship is where the Culprit is and where this ship is at the time they arrive.

So again David/Walter has to play a role to get the Engineers to arrive where the Humans are and Interact...

So its hard to do a movie, with NO David/Walter unless its a Aftermath Movie... which would only mean the options are.

1) Incoming Human ship arrives to rescue Human Survivors on the Covenant after the Xenomorph Outbreak caused by David, while David has been killed... but this is a Hadleys Hope on the Covenant meets Pandorum kind of Movie and its how to the Engineers come into play?

2)Incoming Human ship arrives to rescue Human Survivors on Origae-6  after the Xenomorph Outbreak caused by David, while David has been killed... but this is a Hadleys Hope Mark 2kind of Movie and but one the Engineers could latter come into play.

I think right now the THEME at play with Prometheus was Creation, Sub-Creation and Hubris of messing with stuff you should leave alone.. DO-NOT play with Fire, DO-NOT Eat from the Forbidden Fruit.

And also the THEME about Perfection...

so i think it FITS well if some Race be it Engineers or another above the Engineers Discover Davids Creation, see it as closer to Perfection and Attempt to take this Xenomorph and EVOLVE IT and once they do this.... it becomes a GREAT Hubris to them/Space Jockey

I think its the only Logical Way to FIT with all the Prequels have shown, it still Portrays Davids Role, it still Portrays the Engineers. It fits with the Creation Themes. And the Hubris of Sub-Creation, Playing with Fire and the Aim for Perfection at a Great Price.

"Aliens was my favorite when I was younger but it still is an action movie that I can watch now and then but Alien and Alien 3 are a lot better"

I have to agree.... once we have seen the Beast Cooked, aka Alien R, AVP and more so AVPR and even how disappointing it was in AC

when we strip the Xenomorph away...  Alien 3 is actually fairly good considering the Nightmare Production it went through, the Character Development is something that really stands out and its something that only stands out better in ALIEN.

I think the Replace  is just a Lazy Cop Out.... its why i was never a fan of Blomkamps lets replace Alien 3 Cop Out...

I think movies should be Canon, and its a case of continuation and improve on what went wrong... but indeed Alien Covenant has left them in a Pickle....

Where i think the only FIX really is to have the Engineers (or another Race) come in and take a GREAT interest in Davids Xenomorph and then play the Final Role in EVOLVING Davids Xenomorph to get to the Original in Alien.

Prometheus showed some Engineers took a GREAT interest and regard for the Mural Organism... if this represented the Deacon, it was not QUITE as Epic as the Xenomorph but we could see it was GETTING there..

Davids Xenomorphs take us CLOSE but not quite there again.. so maybe having the Engineers/Another Race come in and EVOLVE Davids work is the Logical Route to take now.

I still cant make any sense... using the traditional way of translating to Latin/Greek...

If they are using the same system, and not knowing where any spaces are... i have came up with  LIKE YOU ??? NET

and PROVIDED IN ??? UNITED

None makes no sense really... not when looking at Davids Book

Maybe Provided is the closest WORD i think could be correct. This is for the words "cata" in Latin.

So its still a puzzle