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No, I think it’s over. How could they come up with the idea that the space jockey wasn’t fossilised but a space suit? How could they come up with the idea that David created the eggs and not the engineers (a long time ago)?
They must have tried hard (or looked too deeply into the whisky bottle) to come up with this . . .
Ridley Scott thought that he could come up with something interesting, but forgot that there are fans loving the original Alien.
red0guy@gmail.com I don't think so. But one thing is for sure: androids with philosophical preoccupations are for a niche audience. But at least it will be a smaller, happier audience. As a proof of this, "Blade Runner: 2049" is already ranked #52 in the imdb top 250 with a 8.7 rating (compare to Covenant's 6.5). Try to transfer the same themes into a franchise like "Alien" and you get a pissed off audience.
But that is highly likely. The finally predictable irony that the Xeno will over-trow it's god is fair obvious right now.
I must add that if David will be sitting chestbursted in the pilot chair in the derelict, I´m out of here . . .
So far, they have done a good job ruining the history and mystery of it all . . .
The involvement of Michael Green, Rs, Luke Scott, etc....
red0guy@gmail.com in which way do you think Alien Covenant could have contributed to Blade Runner: 2049's under-performance at the box office?
But if Alien Covenant contributed to the Blade Runner's results? But if you take into account that a young colleague of mine only could watch the original BR in 3 or 4 sit-downs we probably are at the end of an era...
Michelle Johnston Yes you are right. The facts support what you have said.
This was posted by deadline:
"Blade Runner 2049 is too slow for the under 25 guy bunch (they gave it a B on CinemaScore with those 2% of under 18ers who ducked the R-rating restriction at their local theater giving the sequel a B-). If you’re wondering why Mad Max: Fury Road, another ’80s sci-fi franchise reboot, outperformed Blade Runner 2049 ($45M opening), it’s because that was a much faster-paced film which stoked the attention spans of the under 25 set. In addition, there was hero identity in Tom Hardy and Charlize Theron’s characters, the latter a persona who could stoke those women showing up to the theater. There’s not that much hero identity going on in the moody, brooding tale of Ryan Gosling’s Blade Runner K. Per PostTrak, more under 25 men turned out for Mad Max vs. Blade Runner 2049 (26% to 23%) and more under 25 females (17% to 8%). In addition, Mad Max‘s demos were more spread out and not so older guy heavy when compared to Blade Runner 2049 (males over 25 were 34% for the George Miller-directed pic to 50% for the Denis Villeneuve-directed sequel)."
http://deadline.com/2017/10/blade-runner-2049-ryan-gosling-box-office-bomb-1202184297/
It seems incredible to me that we are talking about these numbers (31 million?!!!). The producers were just clueless and there are lessons to be learnt from this.
This is absolutely the right direction for the bridge between AC and Alien. While I understand the angst being expressed by some, AI turning 'bad' is the direction already chosen (Ash in Alien anyone) and although not the origin story of the Xenos many were hoping for, it joins nicely to the original. One could suggest this 'Terminator' style AI theme was in fact born in the original Alien film, and borrowed by Cameron (among other sources) for the original Terminator.
Plenty of scope in the franchise to produce many spin off movies full of Xenos and Colonial Marines, but as ML alluded to above, Prometheus was when David found a purpose, AC was when he experimented with that purpose, and the next film will be where he perfects his purpose leading to the perfection encountered in Alien.
To me, it’s interesting why Ridley Scott wants to raise a warning finger about AI and the search for extraterrestrial life (like Hawking)? If anything, man is far worse (war etc.) than a synthetic. Why? Because a synthetic has no emotions - it’s logical . . .
This is very good news i already bought it well at leat worth paying
Your points about Bladerunner 2049 are completely on point.... to a point. As I have said before you need the 18-39 year olds who make up 43% of the cinema going public to buy into movies which have a tent pole financial narrative.
Bladerunner is film noire understood and remembered by the over 40's audience full of nuance and subtlety. The new movie is liked by the critics and fans. However the marketing needed to draw the key age audience. Two issues spring to mind:-
1) The marketing kept the plot hidden so as not to spoil the movie.
2) Its long.
Neither of these qualities will draw the casual audience who wants easy cinema spoon fed to them quickly (The criticism I heard from the pop corn audience was Covenant was far to slow to getting going and then crashed in the second act before the good bits).
A decadent world horribly sub created by David into which Weyland Yutani and the Engineers come into where A I is in the ascendancy but the audience has a human hero might work for the bigger audience.
Its notable Ridley rejected Michael and Jacks scripts who had both come off AI stories with lots of symbolism rather than an emphasis on a strong character narrative but were A I orientated and yet he is happy with what he is building with Covenant 2. I think it will be the adversarial element that will give him the tension and story he wants. Covenant was mad robot made the Xeno's. Covenant 2 is envisaged as mad robot makes a decadent world with Xeno iconography.
Well this gives me hope that the focus is on the reckoning between David and the Engineers. I'm not necessarily interested in human characterstory elements since they obviously are fodder for David's machinations and there are too many existential questions that Scott needs to answer for these films to stand on their own. He challenged us in Prometheus, teased us with Covenant.. now he owes the audience some answers (rather than repeating the same questions History Channel does w/ their quasi-Von Daniken tv shows).
First one is really good- my favorite! They all are really good though.
The script is not finished yet. Currently in the process of being ironed out, but I would assume we've got a solid year or more before production gets underway.
sadly I cant see a reason for him to be deceptive/coy about it. He could have just not replied at all if he wanted to keep suspense up.
They would be mad not to include him in the next film given his amazing work on Covenant!!
Chris Yes, a large fanbase, half of which is all checked out already. Lets take a look at how well AI centered movies have fared as of late: "Transcendence", "Ghost in the Shell", "Terminator Genisys".
Blade Runner has a fraction of the fan base that Alien has though, not many people really know of its existence. And the marketing was piss poor for that film imo.
If even a gorgeus film about AI like "Blade Runner: 2049" with a much larger budget, critic acclaim, fan acclaim and tons of advertising is looking to become a major flop (and for this one I am really sad), it is not likely that another AI movie is going to happen, specially if it goes for the wrong target audience.
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Saw Blade Runner 2049. Didn't really seem like they connected at all to the Alien universe.
and good for that.
I just saw Blade Runner 2049 and it was excellent and one of the better sequels out there. I recommend if you are a Ridley Scott fan.
My friend told me Blade Runner 2049 reminds him of Prometheus, saying it looks like a prequel of Prometheus.
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looks like David will be turning Daniels into the queen
Oh man! This couldn't be better news. Happy to hear.
There is only one movie that we really wanna see. It involves colonial marines kicking ass, getting there ass kicked, and then kicking more ass. If RS wants to continue David's story, it will truly be the last one because the box office will not rule in his favor. Fox gave him a pass "for old time sake" is what covenant feels like. Also where did the queen go that layed those eggs? We want to see humans doing the best they can against the xenomorphs. Notice its plural. A colonial marines vs aliens is what not only the hard core fans want, but the newcomers to the franchise as well. It will also give fox the numbers they want and need.
No, it doesn't make sense at all (It has to do about time and other things).
that makes sense.. We have seen how the biology of the xenomorph was created. now it has to be finished by developing the mechanical part of it... until we get the final product seen in the original movie
Personally I can’t wait to see what Ridley has done with Blomkamp’s ideas. I think for storyline purposes Origae 6 will be a different viewpoint on LV426. Blomkamp certainly wanted to explore AI which can be seen in his concept work.
I think the overlap between Blomkamp’s approach for a new Alien movie, is what put Alien 5 on hold.
Nice. Just be careful with use of it’s. And watch out for commas that interfere with the flow.
The ship tended itself, and it’s hibernating crew conscientiously. It constantly monitored everything aboard and outside, surveilling the cosmos via it’s sensor arrays and their sophisticated instruments.
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The ship tended itself and its hibernating crew conscientiously. It constantly monitored everything aboard and outside, surveilling the cosmos via its sensor arrays and their sophisticated instruments.
I am excited about this news. Totally what I anticipate it will be for the next sequel. I want to see more badass David.
As I see it, Ridley Scott is a very talented, visionary type of director, who himself was into painting. This usually means broad brushstrokes not paying attention to plot details. If I remember correctly, he said that he disliked series, Alien 1, 2, 3 etc, but changed his mind? Therefore we have films that are visionary and thematically very good, whereas the plot details are thrown out the window, especially when it comes to connecting films (like soap operas)?
As a matter of fact, RS has said that he wasn’t into opera, Michelle . . .
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Yep, I think its more like a class system. The Engineers are a civilization of the Ancients. Well, more like servants/slaves of the Deacons. ;)
Damon Lindelof has said that the story hasn't arrived at the place that Ridley envisaged them going to in Prometheus Two. The hints as to what that world were :-
1) They were very aggressive "f....."
2) It would not be paradise but much more what we expect hell to be.
3) The early plots lines talked about the source of their power being a machine.
When you consider Ridleys remarks its very easy to see that the way they are going to play it is, David makes that world.
It is also noticeable that Das Rheingold, where Alberich (David) has enslaved the Nibelung (The Colonists) using the power of the ring (The Pathogen)and is interrupted by Wotan (W-Y) who demands the power of the ring and Erda (The Engineers) suddenly arrives warning of the terrible curse of the Ring and Wotan gives it up to the giants who themselves suffer death from its curse (The Space Jockey) could drive the narrative.
Who knows, but Ridley correctly has read the runes this time the beast is cooked David is capable of much more real and successful evil. However as Thoughts_Dreams has said we need mediation in amongst all the sci fi someone we care about to survive and it has to come from an honest W-Y or a surviving Colonist and their role has to be established quickly so they take us through the story and get that wretched android blown to bits. We do not need, get to know the crew /messages/discovery we need someone in it from five minutes and then tell the story. A prologue explaining the horrors of Origae 6 with a survivor would do it (The equivalent of Matt Damon left on Mars and then off go)
Japan Weekend #4 forecast:
Like I said in my last post, this will likely be the final week Alien: Covenant is in the top 10. It's expected to fall from #8 to #10 with an estimated $250,000 for the weekend. That should bring it to about $7M total after Sunday.
After that, the movie may be impossible to track unless it cracks 1 Billion yen. (If it hits $7 Million it'll be at around 775 Million Yen. It needs to make $9 Million+ to hit the Billion Yen milestone.)
After a movie drops out of the top 10 it's only given spotlight if it crosses 1 Billion yen at minimum. Not hitting that mark is fairly embarrassing. We'll see if it has enough gas in the tank to get there.
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