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daliens

You got me there. The analogy was wrong.. but that is some major stupidity on behalf of the us navy... they had the idea to ban smoking in submarines after 16 years after regular ships? And it seems that the soviets smoked on the MIR (https://www.quora.com/How-do-astronauts-smoke-in-space ). We as a species are so dumb.

To conclude, I was not looking for flaws I was pointing out that the Aliens series is rather shitty to predict things from the future as a good Sci-fi should and that's why they did not age well.

please tell want creature horror movie was terrifying in the last 5 to 10 years? Did you consider that the genre as such is dying on it's own? and cgi is not the problem?

red0guy@gmail.com US banned smoking on submarines only in 2011, however sailors were still allowed to smoke on deck. And Nostromo was not a military ship.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343689/US-submarines-smoking-ban-comes-force.html

And until some years ago smoking was permitted in airplanes as well. In 1979 smoking was cool, so if you really want to be picky and look for flaws try something else. If you don't like Alien, fine, but get over it. Same I am trying with Aliens.

No, we cannot blame David for what he became. He is like an orphan child who grew up without love. Disturbed. 

And being an AI he is not even responsible for his actions. We cannot sue him, Weyland-Yutani is to blame.

daliens

Do you have beers and cigarettes in modern submarines where air supply is limited?

Sorry i see no similarity between the two. The Nostromo was only 4 towers joined together, with a labyrinthine interior. 

daliens

Weyland was demanding immortality, while Shaw was asking a morality question, how are these similar? She was confused how so?

And in the Alien universe there ancient alien realities not theories ... so sorry this solution it's just lack of creativity. 

Homage, come on. 

The kids also dress up as Ghostbusters for Halloween. Homage. 

The entire show is a throw back to early Amblin and Spielbergian filmmaking. 

red0guy@gmail.com Nostromo was a cargo ship and the similarities with today's cargo ships (waterborne) are obvious. You have cans of beers and cigarettes and crew who is doing the job only for the money.

Sometimes I prefer this kind of straight forward approach instead of the pretentious holographic images and black goo.

It's not odd that there were primitive like objects in his living quarters. 

Here's a question for you - How'd he make the paper for his drawings? 

Paper making is an ancient and time-consuming process, David has rolls of blank sheets, and a room dedicated to storing them.  

No one, they all deserve to die. 

Maybe I will hug David before he head got chop off.

Perez - And her memories?

(*bump*)

red0guy@gmail.com Shaw had to die because there was no way she could get the answers to her questions, same for Peter Weyland. She was not even a religious person, well not more than Oram was, if she was looking for the engineers to get the answers. She was totally confused and a big fan of ancient aliens theories. Not a viable character in my opinion.

David. He has to go, although he will be sorely missed.

Some background. Coming from a former communist country I first seen all the first 3 movies in the early to mid 90s. The forth one i have seen in the cinema. Then I liked all with exception of the forth, but of course the impact was not that powerful like it must have been in '79 and I clearly don't wear rose tinted glasses. I've re-watched the first two some ten years ago ago and I still liked them. After watching Covenant, and hating it, I've revisited the series and I realized that I don't like either movie as a whole. The first one of course is the best and the second has some good parts.

For me, Alien has not aged that well. First the characters, I don't like none of them (Ripley became likable only in Aliens), and their mannerism so '70s. I sincerely don't understand how such a giant ship should be maintained by a crew of 7. 3 of them (Brett, Kane and Parker) are not that different from the crew of Covenant. Further insult Parker is a living stereotype of an african-american thinking only of money. Dallas is more or less Janek. Why they have a cat on a spaceship? why they smoke and have cans of beer on it? 

The Nostromo is completely ridiculous, with completely non functional shape and why is full of pipes. Is it powered by steam? If it transports ore why does not look as an giant silo? And why does the screen displays 0s and 1s, even the binary data would have been edited in hexadecimal and some offset data would have been displayed. Analog video transmission in 2122 will never happen as they predicted.... And why is there gravity on the Nostromo or are their Converse shoe magnetized? And why all the flamethrowers in the series are so unrealistic? After one jet all would have been empty.

The science part was not great that crucial part of the series, and it never aged particularly well. For me only 2001 aged well as a sci-fi, most probably because people thought about the science part.

I like the first hour of the movie or so, until the xenomorph appears. The mood is excellent until then, after that the slasher part is boring and by now is full of cliches. For me as a horror movie Carpenter's The Thing aged much better (with fully workable flamethrowers). I also loved Prometheus because it expanded on parts of the original that I liked and the technology in it was slicker (with new absurdities like the dream helmet, there is no sleep in cryo sleep, or in the Alien there is?).  

I think Waterston as Daniels was a mistake, like Bloom in Kingdom of Heaven and Edgerton in Exodus. She was no match for David, not even for Oram. She is a good actress, no doubt about that, but was miscast in Covenant.  I mean for whatever Daniels said the only reply she deserved was: "I'll put it in the log. You are dismissed. " She was too fragile and tired, her voice, although very expressive, was too soft and too nostalgic. You only feel that she wants everything to be over to get some sleep and forget about all, and that eventually did happen.

Wren- It's unprecedented.

Gediman- Totally. She's operating at a completely adult capacity.

The way I see it David only obeyed one human, Weyland and once he was dead all of those rules went right out the window.

And it's not hard to see why he disdained humans.  Look at the way we treat basic AI characters in video games, we kill them when we aren't belittling or torturing them.  Give them the ability for emotions and 'feeling' and it's not hard to imagine. 

In the engineers case not only did they spawn David's lifelong tormentors, and creators but their sole representative ripped off his head and killed the only human he ever loved (if he loved any humans). 

So genocide is bad obviously but the engineers were/are planning to destroy earth and it's kind of hard to judge a genocidal robot with an axe to grind, he isn't human.  It would be like judging sharks that kill people. 

(wearily)

Why...? (says Ripley)

New user here and my first post so here goes.  I'm a life long franchise fan but I've only begun to start really looking into the story of prometheus and AC, so if anything here is what a layman perceived in regards to the fate of Shaw.

Keep in mind I read the book before watching the movie, not sure if the book is considered canon.  But based upon what I saw in the movie it was clear to me that Shaw was in fact murdered by David through experimentation.  Yes the book goes into greater detail which colored my perception but it would be the same.

1. Shaw's mutilated and clearly modified corpse is witnessed in one of the scenes, hard to ignore that.

2. David tells 'the new ripley' that he is going to do the exact same thing to her, coupled with the artwork that while seemingly contradictory shows that David took great pleasure in Shaw's fate.  Serial killers are known to make drawings such as this and they don't always match up to the actual crimes they committed. 

I can understand why people would want to see a different outcome for Shaw, she was a cool character.  I felt the same way about Hicks when Alien 3 came out (I was 10 years old at the time and was VERY disapointed).  But for me Shaw's fate really isn't much of a mystery in the film, and if I include what I read in the book there is zero doubt at all (again not sure if the book is considered canon).

On the flip side, I find what happened to Shaw to be trully horrifying and the corpse scene at least to me was a very clear nod to Giger.

All in all I like this element of the story which is perhaps part of the reason why I have no issue with seeing it this way.  Even if it is disgusting and terrible it's certainly a more interesting way to go than being impaled by a safety apparatus in a crash landing...seriously, they couldn't have thought of any better way for Hicks to go? Anyway that's an entirely different movie but I thought I would reference it since it seems people have the same disappointment that I did when Alien 3 came out. 

joylitt

I double you on that but I find even more insulting is the fact that I can't find the reason why she had to die. Because you had to mutilate her corpse to make it like a Giger painting? Or you didn't know what to do with the character? Lack of imagination is never something to admire. 

Yo Parkinson's I got Parkinson's,  that's what I hear every time I hear that song lmao 

Wren- No! No! I'm all right!

(Welcome aboard I Moon Girl!)

Same ^^^

You two guys are even greater together.

Thank you.

Homage. They explicitly said it is homage and they are doing a full series of posters paying homage to other 80s horror/sci-fi films.

http://www.slashfilm.com/stranger-things-posters-throwback-thursday/

@Starlogger

That's really interesting. Actually, I just watched Covenant last night, and I kept thinking...I really liked the way Daniels spoke. Her and Ferris.

They both sounded so much more like real, believable people. I like how she pronounces Covenant as "Cov'nant".

I mean...it just sounds real. It seems like there's a really limited array of dialects that people in Hollywood usually speak with, and they all either speak like college professors or stereotypical hicks.

Daniels and Ferris just talk like normal people with their own distinct mannerisms, who sound like they could be your own coworkers.

Well Elizabeth Shaw of course. We invested one entire movie on her and her search for answers, plus 5 long years of theorizing.

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::deleted scene begin::

Why? (says Ripley)

Gediman: OH. MY. GOD...

::deleted scene end::

dk,  Lawrence of Arabia and I decided it was whispering to Starlogger" in another thread XD

ref: Best Xeno Death in the franchise

I'll tell you who I wouldn't choose. Bishop. You know why? Because Bishop is just fine, Alien 3 never happened and I refuse to believe otherwise.

However, if I were present following Bishop's tortured reactivation in Alien 3, I would not have said goodbye to him. I would have tried to help him regain his will to live.

Ripley's matter-of-fact, unsympathetic reaction to his plight made it impossible for me to feel anything more then a sense of karmic satisfaction, when she threw herself into the incinerator as Bishop's likeness looked on.

Bishop deserved to, AT LEAST ONCE IN HIS LIFE, have someone acknowledge his worth. He didn't deserve to be perpetually treated like a glorified toaster and then eventually come to accept the idea himself. In Aliens he'd had a sense of self preservation (to which no one else was sympathetic).

In Alien 3 he'd been catastrophically injured and his efforts to protect his human companions had been plenarily thwarted. Understandably he was in immense physical and psychological pain. But, his failure wasn't his fault and his pain could have been temporary. He could have been made useful and happy again. Regardless of not being top-of-the-line. 

You can't rather be nothing. If you're nothing you don't know you're nothing. There's no satisfaction or relief in being nothing. There is no experience of being nothing.

And Bishop was a great something.

Actually...he still is a great something. I refused to believe otherwise. BISHOP IS JUST FINE!

IRaptus That was horrible- it even sounded like it was screaming "Ripley!"

What about this little fella ^  :(

Clemens. Sad end to a sad life :(

Capt Torgo A bit OT, but I have noticed little by little over time, nods are being given to Alien 3 around here. Nice!

Hudson and Kane......gone too soon..thanks for the memories

I'll hug who I think the best acting job in Alien Franchise is Charles Dutton in A3. He just bent that role to epicness with tone and emotion. Kudos to David Fincher for giving religion a respectful treatment, imo.

@dk,

"Pitch Black" and "Jaws" - you nailed it!

The little guy with eyes I can see as an Easter Egg to pay homage to the 'visitor' on the Nostromo med lab TV monitor that Ashe is looking at through the microscope when Ripley comes in to interrogate him. Wheat critter may be more realistic than ai sentient flying spore motes jellyfish but idk. Bugs can or do often spook the snot out of me when they surprise you/web so that's pretty evil cricket to crawl inside your orifice or bite ya.

It has to be in the writing, maybe egos at the studio or finding that talented writer is just too difficult. The prequels have good ideas but there are just too many cooks in the kitchen. Great cooks together can't make a great meal if they're not unified. Alien 1 just seems so solid and so does A2, like the dialogue is just so real and believable. It must be pride and this lust to go after pet project ideas like Scott is all about 'style' to me or 'his' narrative. Which many of that is kosher I just diabolically rage hate most of his characters and their dialogue. Jordan Peele could do it comparable to the first two I bet or Denny V. if they assembled a cohesive team w liberty from Fox to pursue something original or wrap things up. Rambling on now but......the talent is out there it's just finding and nurturing it into something special. The sky is the limit

Ingeniero It sounds like sterile protocols were not followed....

Wow- those images are amazing! The little bugger reminds me a bit of the worm from Dune and I think I see an inner jaw too.