Something that bothers me about the facehugger.

No kidding pax. You might be able to get your hands on it, but it still slips through... Like drowning almost. Then you wake up and think you survived something that should have killed you. Time to celebrate! Then you get stabbing chest pains.... Talk about a bad day!

Seeing as the facehugger melts through Kane's helmet in 'Alien', the 1ST and thus ORIGINAL film with the ORIGINAL idea, then I think I have to say no, I don't have a problem with it....and furthermore, I would then say that I have a problem with Cameron's rewrite of the concept in 'Aliens'.....One of the most imporant things about making any sequel is the integrity of continuity from one story to the next...The failure, and it is a failure, to maintain that continuity and thus, the integrity of the story, falls sqaurely on the shoulders of the sequel's writer, not the original's.

and btw there are no "melting" signs on kane's face ... just the ones of a very strong "grip" .... we can say that something so strong to break the glass of an helmet should not be stopped so easily with hands ...but are just movies come on ...

I always thought it was a matter of not damaging or causing injury to the host. It burned through Kane's faceplate, but didn't cause any injury to his face when it actually landed.

I agree with craigamore. Alien was the original, and as good as some of what followed were, there were some huge variations from what it began as. Some definite compromises afterward for sure. I'm probably gonna catch grief for even saying this- but I've always viewed what came after Alien as something like a "spin-off", and not what was originally envisioned by Ridley. There were SOME great films, but nothing compared to the first. I hate the term "canon", because it's fiction- but what was original is what worked best. Aliens was a great action movie, but it would have been just as good with another group of monsters. They just weren't the same thing.

Alien was dark and the mythos was even darker. Aliens was way different and great as an action movie but as the series progressed, the darkness was taken away and ruined by people who had no idea what they were doing. I believe that FH could control the acid and secret the, just enough to get to the host without damaging him...as we saw with the melted helmet of Kane's...

Interesting opinions... I never really noticed this... I think maybe once ripely got it in her hands, it was easyer to deffender herself. When Kane got facehugged, he never got a chance to get a grip on it... Just a thought...

as he said frantz, the facehugger was able to pass through the glass of a helmet. Curiously in aliens we see one in captivity inside a tube of glass similar to the Star Wars movies bacta tanks. However we see that the creatures are completely trapped. Certainly in aliens do not respect the original canon of Ridley, but is due in large part to the fact that it is an action film where we needed to see the marines kicking ass aliens. But obviously the official canon is established by Ridley...

I should have mentioned this earlier. In no way am I being sarcastic or degrading the original post. It's just my opinion. I mean NOT to offend anyone... It can replace it's cells with silicon-based cells, just because it works better that way in a new environment, all the while providing it's 'host" with whatever it needs to survive the impregnation process, it's blood can eat through steel and all kinds of composites, it can break through bones and flesh while still relatively tiny, it grows to seven feet in a matter of hours, and it eats people while excreting enough super glue to build a hive the size of Home Depot. Yeah, I can except it secreting whatever it needed to for getting in a helmet. Cameron just made some compromises to make his scenes work for his version of the creature. Aliens was a good movie, but NOT like the original. Apples and oranges.

The way I always saw it was that the reason the facehuggers couldnt escape the tanks in med lab was because of the stasis field that surrounded it as I do recall this "field" being mentioned a few times as well as in the novelisation. As for the helmet the hugger hit it with force and if you watch the movie you can see it takes a few seconds to get thru the facesheild...... God what a horror that would have been to see eating thru knowing you couldnt take your helmet off but you also couldnt stop this thing....... terrifying

Mabey if it used acid to break the glass, then they could haves used a machine to drain them of their acid and then put them in the glass tube thing

Just an idea

That would be a pretty crapy day...

I will say that I do find 'Aliens' and 'Alien 3' entertaining, but they just aren't what they should or could be...you know?

I look at the sequels exactly the same way aintnozeno, and I'll take it a step further.....the reason people like you and I feel as though these films fall short, seem off in some way or just down right get it wrong ('Alien Ressurection', 'AVP', 'AVPR') is that 'Alien' made it very clear what it was...sc-fi/horror...there's no mistaking that. It's in the movie's DNA, to borrow Ridley's 'Prometheus'-'Alien' characterization. The sequels, starting with 'Aliens', morphed from sc-fi/horror into sc-fi/action adenture. AND BECAUSE CAMERON FELT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH ACTION, not because it suited the material. Cameron and every director that followed (Fincher did come back to horror somewhat), seemed to miss that aspect of the original's identity. 'Alien' is a horror film at its core. And you must look at it that way. A flim's genre is, comparatively, the overriding structure of its individual fingerprint. To alter the genre of a story from one film to its sequels is to rob it of its identity and that, for a storyteller, is basically a sin...it's a bastardization...it's wrong.

...And then there's the "Bull-Alien" I saw in Walmart a few years back. Shame. Like you say: Apples and oranges... or in that case, apples and poop.

Oh yeah, and the face-hugger and acid/mask topic... I agree with it using any means to get to a host and then instantaneously being able to neutralize its secretions so as not to leave it (Cain) with a severe case of pizza face (or raw hamburger face). To be able to execute that in a fraction of a second... what a perfect organism.

I think you're right craigamore. Another thing that defined Alien- aside from the creature and all it's "talents", was the originality of the entire film. Sci-fi had never seen such a thing, and the closest attempts were cheesy at best. That's why I have no problems with Prometheus not having zenos in it, and why I HOPE Ridley is going to deliver once again. Look at all the speculation generated by a few pics and a one-minute trailer. It sets the film up as possibly disappointing, but if he pulls it off again, it will be another great film. No more AVP crap! Not that they weren't good, just that they weren't GREAT! The mystery of it all is what made Alien great. I for one am glad that we can all guess what will happen, but know absolutely nothing for certain. In this day of reboots and remakes, I hope it's nothing like we expect. It's the only way it can be if it succeeds! Once again I apologize for the hijacked thread!

Perfect indeed...

I think that the reason that the face huggers could not melt through the glass tubes was because they filled them with an acid neutralizing solution.

Craigamore: I read your post on the previous page and I've felt that Aliens was actually a progression from the original movie, and possibly the only possible progression the story could've made given the purely superior and dominant nature of the alien species. Unless the producers wanted to make the same exact movie as Alien, they needed to address the possibility of an Alien hive or multiple aliens in a sequel. It was established in Alien that the xenomorph was not a singular nightmarish creature, but part of a species through 1. establishing that there were hundreds of alien eggs, and those alien eggs could reproduce via any other life form (human, space jockey, etc), and 2. establishing that the alien worked not as a purely murderous species, but rather worked as a species that wanted to multiply and grow (seen through the deleted scenes of the original script of Dallas being cocooned). It was shown that 1 alien would be no match for multiple unarmed/untrained humans. So if the progression was to see what would happen when multiple aliens formed a nest, they would have to involve military and make it some sort of more action oriented film for everything to make sense. While I love both films, and both films are completely different, I think making a sequel to Alien in that same fashion would've killed the franchise (like Alien 3 or resurrection wound up doing anyway).

If 'Prometheus' is anywhere close to as good as we all hope it is.....then everything you just wrote snoogies.....every last word of it goes out the window. If 'Aliens' was the only direction that the story could have gone, could have "progressed", then we wouldn't be talking to each other right now, there wouldn't be a prometheus-movie.com and we wouldn't be waiting for a movie entitled 'Prometheus'. And anyway...what so much better about making the aliens no match for armed marines? Doesn't that strip the mystery, the perfection Ash speaks of away from this uniquely terrible and beautiful monster?

I agree with craigamore and aintnoxeno, there were liberties taken with Aliens that just broke the established rules set in Alien. If we are to take Alien as the original setting for the Alien series universe then we have to look at the broken rules. Unless Kane was suppose to be a "super host" the xeno born from him was much more durable within the story than the following xenos. If you were to logically read into what Ash had to say about the "xeno prime" (I'm going to call the Alien xeno, xeno prime since it was the first) then we could speculate that it was a highly adaptive creature that was able to withstand being forcibly repelled from a star ships thruster without being reduced to atoms! And in all likely hood xeno prime is still floating around in deep space basically inert. And it's those type of discrepancies in Aliens and the movies afterward that bother me and it appears also bothers Ridley Scott as it seems like he's pretty much ignoring all the movies except his.

[quote]Like you say: Apples and oranges... or in that case, apples and poop. [/quote] Well, found my signature when the feature becomes available.

Hey PROVO does your name refer to those Dutch provocateurs of the 60s?

Heres one thing that always bothered me about the Facehugger in Alien... When the Facehugger gets Kane in the Egg Chamber it breaks through his helmet with its embryo laying proboscis before melting a small hole through the glass of Kanes helmet (which means it doesn't spit acid from the proboscis), so that it can get inside the helmet and grab Kanes head, with its tail around his neck. The thing is that melted hole is so small and tight around the Facehuggers body, it has always bothered me how it got through, long finger-legs, scrotum air sacs, tail and all??? @ wtf1977, nice idea, but the Facehugger could've just smashed through the glass with its proboscis.

Reply to OP: Perhaps Kane did manage to throw the facehugger off him, but the acid had already started melting through his helmet. Once it melted through, he would go unconscious in a short time (a couple of minutes, according to Google), which would leave him at the facehugger's mercy.

I've been stained :( It was unfortunate for me that I saw Aliens before I saw Alien. I love Alien. I love Aliens. Alien 3 was okay, but I left the theater severely disappointed. I didn't have that feeling of dread and anxiety that I got from the first two. Alien: Resurrection - well, they just should have left that one alone. Not a horrible movie, but all the dumb wise-cracks and the lame character named Call, just ruined it for me. Ridley - take us back to the creepy horror, please!!!

Just a few pictures to help with the discussion of how the facehugger gets onto Kane's face through the glass of his helmet. I've read about it breaking the glass instantly (don't know if that is officially stated anywhere or not), but the picture of the helmet doesn't really look like broken glass. And when it jumps onto the glass, it doesn't look like anything has broken (albeit, they do cut away almost instantly, so they didn't really need to show it actually breaking). It would be interesting to find out if there is any 'official' way it got to Kane's face. Then again, we could be reading way more into this than was ever intended. :-) [img]http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w439/Membrane1/alien_053.jpg[/img] [img]http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w439/Membrane1/alien_062.jpg[/img] [img]http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w439/Membrane1/alien_063.jpg[/img]

I think the hissing sound we hear in the movie when the facehugger grabs his facemask is a clear indication that it used acid to eat through the faceplate. Just enough to get through. That middle pic there shows the edges around the hugger are melted. JMO