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Xenophobe
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before so here it goes. . . The SJ in the Derelict ship in Alien had a chestburster erupt from with (We presume), so could the Xeno's we saw in the Alien franchise, apart from Alien3. . . Could they simply be the breed of Xeno's that were birthed from a SJ. So in Prometheus we could well see a Xeno birthed from a human (Shaw), which will be totally different? It'd fit in to RS's attitude of we won't see the Xeno as we know it. . . Any ideas??
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centrosphere
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012Wasn´t the original "Alien" xenomorph born from an human (Kane)?

Xenophobe
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012I meant with the countless eggs being in the Derelict, could what've laid those come from the SJ in the chair. . . So the Alien that birthed from Kane would look as it did, but surely birthed from a SJ it'd look totally different.

Xenophobe
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012Yeah I think if we do see a precursor to the original Xeno, it'll have a more biomechanical appearance. I mean, being shown the Xeno as it originally was maybe, would be awesome! I can't remember if Xeno's take on the traits AND intelligence of a species, as they only did in AR cause they were bonded genetically then cloned. . . If they do, then these Xeno's will be UBER intelligent given how advanced the SJ's are!

shambs
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012If the Jockey is the big man appears at the right side at the scene of the Chair in the trailer then a Xenomorph will not be very different from the classic, the only different thing would be the size. Now if the biomechanical costumes have certain influence we should see some changes in the design of the creature. But if we take into account that Homo Sapiens evolved from apes or hominid as Homo Erectus, then we can assume that the Xenomorphs descended from ancestors or missing links.

shambs
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012In fact my original thought was that the Xenomorphs of Prometheus would have an exotic and unrecognizable appearance by the fact of being born of native animals on the planet jockey, in the same way that a Xenomorph acquires features different from the original to be born of a dog or predator. But obviously Prometheus will have issues related to genetic engineering, mutations and evolution.

Xenophobe
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012True. . . We'll see a Xenomorph and not even know it, Ridley Scott is a sly creature if that's the case! Which I think it will be! Seeing the creature as it was originally evolved would be brilliant, I wonder if their characteristics will be any different??

PerfectOrganism2
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012The space J and the derelict are a combined life form. One big bio mech organism. Whatever comes from the Jockey will have this incorporated into its DNA, so we will see something radically different, perhaps a half xeno, half derelict capable of mass egg reproduction?

shambs
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012Maybe Elizabeth Shaw give birth to a special type of facehugger that infect the jockey...then the jockey will give birth to a giant monstrosity will have the ability to lay eggs... who knows.

Xenophobe
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012@PerfectOrganism - If that's the case, it'll be like the Wraith species off of Stargate Atlantis, their ships were living creatures themselves that were also used to grow new soldiers etc. But still, a half Xenomorph/half would be a deadly mixture!

Xenophobe
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012It'd make sense I suppose if that humanoid we saw next to the chair in the Prometheus trailer, got infected and mutated into a gigantic creature i.e the first Xenomorph queen perhaps?? Judging by their sizes, it'd make sense. . .

shambs
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012Or maybe Elizabeth Shaw or Meredith Vickers for any reason made use of the seat jockey to taxing the warning message but in doing so the Chair home a mechanism biomechanical that ended by transforming it into a giant mutant creature in order to lay eggs...
PS:I hope the creature who was born of the space jockey does not have a Horn, that seems to me something very frightening for a monster... in fact it is a mechanism to breathe biological suits. and I wonder if the creature came to have its toothed tongue scary?

Xenophobe
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012Good idea Shambhala! Maybe the SJ chair/tech didn't recognize this new DNA sequence that was fusing with the chair, and it was a defense mechanism?? Although I doubt that'd be used as the creation of the Xenomorph as a species, but I definitly believe that the Xeno's were created by mistake. Well how we see them I mean, why create a creature that obviously would be a threat to yourself (SJ's I mean). . .

shambs
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012There is the likelihood that a great biological warfare extinct to Engineers, therefore the creative gods of mankind no longer exist. Then the Space Jockeys could be an evil race created by engineers and they ended up destroying its creators. Therefore when the crew of the prometheus arrives at its destination does not meet its creators, rather than what they are face to face with the evil, the demons or the dark side of the moon as Scott would say. Then the the unfortunate human they are victims of a very uncivilized behavior and you will see remnants of the fall of the gods after an epic and bloody biological warfare. You can even cordenadas to paradise are a trap left on Earth to use humans as laboratory rats, which is to be created in the image of the gods, perhaps they have a special caracteriztica to create biological weapons by the quality of DNA of the gods.
Or perhaps the gods engineers are present, but are so cruel and ruthless as the cenobites hellraiser (angels for some; demons to others) who get pleasure torturing the participants of the game. and as I said the invitation to paradise is a trap that is part of one greater plan...

Spartacus
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012Your thread's title is the basis for my belief that what attacks the crew of the Prometheus is a Xeno in it's earliest most original {to us anyways} AND UN AS OF YET TAINTED WITH HUMAN DNA BLOOD'S infant stage. In line with Ridley's comment that we Will in fact see one {His & Giger's original}, just not in the same old way we think.

Xenophobe
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012@Spartacus - Exactly! I think a kinda pre-Xenomorph will appear in the movie, which will match up with RS stating we don't see the Xeno's as they were in the Alien movies. I can't wait to see what they'll actually look like. . .

Jeffomorph
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012Ridley had some very specific ideas about the original SJ, Derelilct, and Eggs in ALIEN. His thought was that the ship was a bomber, the eggs were a bioweapon payload, and the SJ pilot was traveling somewhere to release the bioweapon.
I think he's stated these beliefs a few times? While I don't discount the possibility that he's changed his mind on these details; I think we need to take them at face value for now.
That being said..
I don't think Shaw is going to give birth to some sort of Xeno offshoot. I think the original bioweapon has been in the SJ/Engineer arsenal for some time. I do think she give birth to something, but it's something we created indirectly by messing with things we don't understand. Personally I think Holloway becomes infected and impregnates her.
Where was the original derelict headed? Wouldn't it be ironic if it was headed to earth a few hundred thousand years ago to clean up a percieved failed experiment (genetic dead end), and didn't make it.

draekus
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012I agree with Jeffmorph.
I think Shaw becomes impregnated by an infected Holloway and gives birth to something not-so-human. This scene will likely be the equivalent to the chestburster scene from ALIEN. If so, I expect to see something rather disturbing if its is intended to have the same impact (as the original chestburster scene) on today's movie-goers.

BellaisanAlien
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012I'm digging the idea that the xeno shares part of the DNA of the derelict. From the pics of Shaw standing in the doorway with blood on her legs we can gather that she survives the birth of the 'thing/creature'. I'm guessing that whatever it is scurries off, similar to the Kane scene from the original. We also already know from Ridley that we will see the 'progenitor' to the xenomorth. So it could be the early xeno or the jockey. I was on the basis of the latter as we have Engineer and Elder Engineer listed in the cast. But now I'm not so sure....... may be it's FOX's way of taming down the Alien birth to make it more marketable to a wider audience???

Xenophobe
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012@BellisanAlien - I still think that Shaw could well be the human crew member experimented on by the SJ's during the Prometheus mission. Although it's still bugging me, about what the Xeno's/pre Xeno's relevance will be in the movie. . .

GigerFace
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012Wow! I'm really liking everyones theories! I will say however that according to Mr. Scott, we might want to disassociate ourselves from any of the concepts/ideas developed in Aliens i.e., any type of egg laying xeno, queen or otherwise. Considering the number of eggs shown inside the derelict in ALIEN, most likely there's some high technology involved in placing all those eggs there and not necessarily are they placed there by an single organism. The one thing that I speculate Mr. Scott will set out to accomplish, within the story of Prometheus, is that humankind is truly low end of the totem pole in a much greater revelation of intelligent design by an extraterrestrial species.

BellaisanAlien
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012Sure thing @LyleP - Shaw IMO gets dragged off by the storm and may be the first human to actually come face to face with the Engineers. I would imagine that this is either non-hostile or she has no memory of what they do to her - anal probe I expect lols.

brego
MemberOvomorph01/30/2012All of above are very valid points. Love reading them. However the first Xeno we saw in Alien would infact be a first generation human Xenomorh hybrid bred from the offspring of a SJ Xenomorph hybrid bred from what I think would have been the originator Xeno, which I think we are all about to know all about in the prequel Prometheus. This would mean that all the Xenos we have seen so far have had some form of human DNA in them which they have inherited in one way or another.
I am hoping that Ridley is going to show us this Originator stage, perhaps its simply the green goo we see in the teaser or perhaps a full blown creature. If its a creature I expect that the shape will be entirely different, but it exoskeleton will look related to the Alien Xeno.
Well lets say that what Im jhoping to see.

Xenophobe
MemberOvomorph01/31/2012@Brego - Yeah I definitly think we'll see the originality of the Xenomorph creature! I can't wait! But seeing what the creature looks like before it's interaction with the human species would be interesting. . . Everyone read that "Pinocchio" thread, best theory around thus far!

brego
MemberOvomorph02/8/2012Agreed Xenophobe. Im thinking along the lines of a couple of Gigers landscapes in his various books. Basically a cross between formed and unformed structure and fluidity, very Alien to our eyes, horrid and beautiful at the same time. As Ridley once said "you dont know if its going to Fuck you or Kill you!"
Getting even more excited.
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