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MemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 5:45 AMCheck out this post from 2008 on the Aliens Marines forums. It seems exactly the premise of Prometheus 2012.
http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showpost.php?p=1345912&postcount=1243
[i]Well when I consider the Alien films until now, apart from the established premise of how and what in Alien, there really hasn't been anything else. Alien introduced the Alien and its lifecycle and it was scary. But after that all the films seemed to only continue along the "it's scary" vein.
We got an Alien leader that was bigger in Aliens, and continued on the scaryness aspect of battling them. Greater numbers, but no new story.
In Alien 3 again people being slaughtered by the Alien (almost the same as movie 1), and Ripley dies aswell in this one. Again no new story.
In 4 Ripleys come back and again people are slaughtered by aliens, and again
no news to the story.
If we look at the details of all the films they are great, Ridley's cinematography, Cameron's eye for detail, Fincher's mood, Jeunet's visuals. But when we pan out there really hasn't been anything "considerable" that has been introduced to the franchise. It's just rehashing over and over again what the aliens do to humans when both are in contact, to me that formula is getting very old.
It is understandable in a way; when something becomes a very large cultural icon, the law of probability ensures (law of probability = there are far more greedy non visionary cowards that would rather guarantee the franchise continues raking in dollars doing what it has been doing, as opposed to the few strongwilled artisitic souls / inspirational greats that would have dared to extend the story further than we have seen, accepting the financial risk knowing they would reap far greater rewards in the end.) that human nature leads us inescapably to AvP.
It seems as if imagination has never resurfaced after the premise was envisaged in Alien 1. One could think of millions of storylines that go further than human decimation by xenomorphs thereby inducing fear in the audience.
Imagine a storyline that ties in with Alien 1 (i.e. the till today unexplored fact that the company had knowledge of the presence on LV426 and sent the Nostromo there in the first place). Formulate a storyline that atleast has something to do with that at its beginning. Or about the spacejockey's mission or even world, then design the "planet of the alien" as it where, the xenomorphs home planet, an entire Gigeresque world (not a sketch or two but an entire world). Why is it biomechanical in the first place? Is it really vulgar? Or is it beautiful? Why are we drawn to it? Why are the shapes as they are? Are there other species than the alien on this world? Is the xenomorph a particular manifestation of something? Are there other manifestations? What do they say about death and life? What do they say about things in a broader spectrum than life and death? What references are there to Jungian psychology? Or Freudian? What is Gigers aim in life? What achievements of the spacejockeys made them think they could tame this manifestation, what did they tap into? What goes on in Gigers head? No need to answer all of these questions either, just make sure they are asked!
With the right research this franchise could go from a mid-grossing scifi middle of the league player to one of the top cerebral fantasies ever created by mankind, as it is so intricably linked to the very psyche pleasurably digesting the fantasy.
Grow the universe with riveting stories that are even more terrifying and exhilirating.
Like I said in a previous post, I don't know the gearbox team tasked with creating this game, their artistic background, opinions on the franchise, decisionmakers, subject matter experts, etc. But this team is in a position with this (to be infamous) videogame, to setup content and a storyline to rival those filmed by Scott and Cameron and really set a new benchmark. This benchmark, if it is extraordinarily classy, would be a punch in the face to those meek slippery buckets of slime at the management team of Fox who have raped this franchise and set an idiotic reference with AvP that 11 year old boys seem to relish.[/i]
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Cypher
Co-AdminMemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 6:15 AMI WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree with that. Every last word. Especially the last bit about Fox. They need to give us new stories, not the rehashed/rebooted/prequel CRAP that we have been seeing on a consistent basis for YEARS now just so they can make a few more hundred million dollars out of suckers. I for one have been refusing to go see ANYTHING at a cinema for the simple reason that there has been absolutely NOTHING new story wise in cinemas for that long, there have been maybe 4 exceptions: Evangelion 2.0, Predators, Christopher Nolan's Batman movies (and I'll be seeing The Dark Knight Rises this year as well, the only 2 times I'll have been to the cinema in 8 months by then,) and last years The Thing movie, and that was only because I wanted to see how the Norweigan camp got messed up and what the Thing looked like originally, however a WHOLE MESS of practical effects were changed for CGfuckingI that I can tell is a computer image. Not only that but GLARING continuity errors that could have very simply been addressed, espescially when you consider the effort that went into making it "right" in the first place. The look of the dog is the biggest, most annoying of them. Then there is the fact that in the original, the Norweigans blew the ship out of the ice, however the new one suggested that it wasn't that at all it was the ship starting up so the Sander-Thing could escape. Pissed me right off.
Prometheus I will be seeing, because it so far has promised answers I have always had about elements of Alien, ie the Space Jockeys.
So if someone goes to the effort of making a whole new, fresh story out of an old idea, I would gladly pay money to see their ideas. Prometheus and Sir Ridley gets some of that hard-earned.
Until then, Hollywood can go fuck themselves.
Sorry for the rant.
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MemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 7:55 AMnice find..of course Fox´s intention were making money, I agree.
Yeah, I was dissapointed from the Thing prequel, too. Lots of plot faults, whatsoever.
I watched the alien films, PvA, i and II, with Prometheus in mind again. Sure they went on to expoit the alien franchise, but actually AvP I and II did add info. In AvP I you get known to Bishop Weyland, his motives and death. In II, in the end you get Mrs. Yutani into the picture. She seems to already have plans with the Predator weapon.
I think, that gives at least clues about Weyland-Yutani Industries development.

Kane77
MemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 7:55 AMnice find..of course Fox´s intention were making money, I agree.
Yeah, I was dissapointed from the Thing prequel, too. Lots of plot faults, whatsoever.
I watched the alien films, PvA, i and II, with Prometheus in mind again. Sure they went on to expoit the alien franchise, but actually AvP I and II did add info. In AvP I you get known to Bishop Weyland, his motives and death. In II, in the end you get Mrs. Yutani into the picture. She seems to already have plans with the Predator weapon.
I think, that gives at least clues about Weyland-Yutani Industries development.
see also AvP 2010 game
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Weyland-Yutani
[i]Weyland-Yutani apparently had its antecedents in two twenty-first century companies: Weyland Industries and another company linked to a Ms. Yutani. (Alien vs. Predator, Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem) The two compaines finally merged in the year 2030, after buying out Borgia Industries and obtaining the rights to their "Prometheus" weaponry, which was in reality stolen Yautja technology.[/i]

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MemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 7:57 AMI've always been a fan of new creative content.
I teach audio/video production to teenagers for my bread and butter.
I also created and am an exec. prod. for a (GREEN) kid's show on PBS, now in its 3rd season. Point is... I know what I'm talking about.
Getting this generation to think outside the spoon-fed mediocre media they've been absorbing since birth, is nearly impossible. There are those few, truly creatively blessed "Generation X & Y-ers" out there that get it and can create something unique. But they are few and far between. I get 1 of them about every decade... 1, that's it.
We have a UNIVERSE of possibilities out there... literally a UNIVERSE OF THEM! Yet we readily accept the same boring storylines time and again. Always seen through the human perspective.
I'm even a little disappointed in the design of the SJ's for Prometheus. I think they're too human (yes, I get the whole God created us in his image thing), just seems like a bit of a cop-out to me to put them in army boots... for cryin' out loud! I've seen much better (and more original ideas) from fan art than I have from some of the production art I've seen.
Show me something new!
...That's all I ask.

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteFeb-29-2012 10:56 AMWell not to state the obvious but according to Prometheus, the mission ran by Weyland Corp is set (allegedly) in 2085, which kinda undoes that whole Borgia Industries element doesn't it!

Xenokiller3
MemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 11:27 AM Yes, I agree, but it's going to be PSYCHO-CRACK-HEAD-ZOMBIES-ON-VAPOR-ACID, not Xenos.

ZetaReticuli
MemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 12:01 PMXenos, God I loathe that word.....
That quote from the old post is right on the money there OP, thanks
for that. Just like Pop, film will eat itself if it doesn't bloody well watch out......

SeeYouHicks
MemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 12:01 PMThe reason why this movie is being made afterall???
'Children of Men," "The Road," "District 9," and "Inception"
These current movies have been some of the most thought provoking and most powerful, I'd argue, in the past 20 years!

Gold
MemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 5:58 PMThanks guys.
But the post it isn't a "find", it's actually my old post from 2008.
It's where I thought the Alien franchise/universe should be headed in the future (of 2008).

Cypher
Co-AdminMemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 6:24 PMI still think you were right on the money Gold ;-)
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MemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 7:47 PMYou think Sir Ridley read your post, Gold? Just a little what-if for you to think about.

Nephilim_LV426
MemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 8:57 PMGood post. Spot on, Gold! You should be in the creative dept in Hollywood!

Xenotron
MemberOvomorphFeb-29-2012 11:36 PMExcellent post; well said, except that "intricably" isn't a word ;)

Cypher
Co-AdminMemberOvomorphMar-02-2012 12:47 AM@Xenotron, I reckon if L. Ron Hubbard can come up with words that make no sense (anyone ever heard of "enturbulation"?) then I reckon we should all be allowed to make one up every now and then :-P just look at how social media language is making it into the Dictionary nowadays ;-)
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