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MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 12:47 AMHere is my thoughts on why the planet they are on is LV-426/Acheron. The planetoid has a molten lava base, when it was visited by the nostromo. So who is to say that the planet in the time after the events of the Prometheus mission didn't under go severe geographic change?
Perhaps certain events during the Prometheus mission caused those changes to happen. Maybe a self destruct sequence was activated to destroy where the derelict was stationed? Causing the faults in the area to have massive quakes, thus having the molten lava come to the surface making the land we see in Alien and Aliens?
Constant eruptions on the planet and or in that area could cause what we see in Alien. The eruptions would deplete the atmosphere to the point it wouldn't be breathable to humans.
As for some people saying that the ship trying to escape is NOT the derelict, doesn't make sense. I would see no viable reason for Ridley Scott to move away from the story of the derelict and LV-426. Those two things together would just mess up future events. Why would some people even want the movie to be on a different planet? I have always wanted to know more about the derelict and LV-426, that for me was one of the main reasons I watched the movies. Those two things themselves are what keeps bringing me back. Of course the space jockey, that is a no brainer.
Well thanks for reading the rant.
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Alien Drone
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 1:00 AMI think the main reason most people want this not to be LV426 and the derelict is because it would upset the whole alien universe as we know it from Alien on. I think true Alien fans want continuity if you're going to have a prequel. We want it to be true to the original. Just my thoughts on it.
LV426JGFPM
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 1:20 AM[quote]I think the main reason most people want this not to be LV426 and the derelict is because it would upset the whole alien universe as we know it from Alien on. I think true Alien fans want continuity if you're going to have a prequel. We want it to be true to the original. Just my thoughts on it.[/quote]
I don't see how this would upset the Alien universe. Even if it were LV-426 and that ship was the derelict, that in itself would be a true prequel. Changing the location and using a ship that looks like the derelict would be confusing and in itself that would upset the Alien story line. If that is what I am to understand what you wrote?
[quote]Ummmmmmmm no.[/quote]
What is that supposed to mean?
Preston
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 1:34 AMListen to the start of [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-EZC5zn2Fk]this trailer.
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You're more wrong than she is.
Slakkers
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 1:37 AM@LV426JGFPM
I totally agree, there is no point in it being on a different planet, what are the chances this is going to happen on second planet? I am pretty sure those jars are Pandora's boxes, and opening one up without the knowledge required to make it function properly would set one hell of a catastrophe loose on the planet, it would actually be able to destroy the planet rather than terraform it.
Alien Drone
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 1:39 AMFor one thing, take a look at the Space Jockey in the original movie and the room he is in and the platform and then look at the same location in the trailer, not the same by any means, Dallas says the Space Jockey is fossilized as well. If they want it to be the same, then it should be the same, wouldn't you think? Also time doesn't add up right, takes 5 years to get there in Prometheus, where as Dallas says they are halfway home and someone says 10 months out.
zzodr
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 1:43 AMHmmm...
From Weyland Industries website timeline:
2039:
Discovery of Acheron LV-426
Weyland astronomers discover multiple moons and a ringed planet just outside the Zeta 2 Reticula System, which are possibly able to support life. Weyland expects to travel there within the century.
2073:
Based on recent classified findings by Weyland researchers, the company determines the exact coordinates of a new destination for long-time pet project: Project Prometheus. New round of investment is immediately opened and mission planning enters full-swing.
In Alien after they wake from interrupted hypersleep on the Nostromo and finding their position:
Lambert: "I found it. Just short of Zeta II Reticuli. We haven't reached the Outer Rim yet."
And we KNOW the Nostromo's course was altered AND Ash was replaced as science officer 2 weeks before the trip AND he had COMPANY ORDERS.
Slakkers
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 1:46 AM@Alien Drone
If these nano-bio thingies changes and mutates humans and androids, how difficult is it to imagine this would happen to the derelict? I think the derelict is the mother of all alien. If they are able to terraform a whole planet, it would easily be able to destroy the planet instead and change a small ship...
Preston
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 2:07 AMFrom a writer standpoint, LV-426 poses both a lot of continuity problems and it has the classic prequel problems that we would have to know the state in which the movie will end.
When we go back and look at Alien, LV-426 is unremarkable. It is the SJs, the derelict, and the Xenos that are interesting. In subsequent movies, we've explored the Xenos ad nauseum, but the origin of the derelict and the SJs have remained untouched.
If we cast such a complex society on such a barren wasteland as LV-426, it really doesn't fit well. Why would they choose such a place as a base for anything? Secondly, that's just that much more that the Nostromo and, later, the colonists would have had to miss.
DAVIS
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 2:21 AMThe reason is pretty simple.
The planet in Prometheus movie not same like Alien 1 and Alien 2.
The derelisct also not same.
The dead space jockey, walking towards console jockey and jockey alike in Prometheus ship also not same.
There are many references in internet both are not same but all these happaned in Alien Universe.
zzodr
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 3:09 AMBut the Prometheus mission a longterm goal according to Weyland Corp - and they are going to the Zeta II Reticuli system are they not? It is "possibly able to support life" around year 2073.
And the Nostromo is near the Zeta II Reticuli system as stated in the movie in Alien many years later - year 2122.
Also has been stated:
"Mid 22nd century"
Volcanic activity on LV-426 damages and partially buries the derelict spacecraft previously investigated by the USCSS Nostromo. The 'distress' signal the Nostromo were investigating is shut off.
So maybe that's why the colonists didn't find it until Burke tells them to look in Aliens.
Ripley gets back to gateway after drifting in space 57 years - year 2179.
Same year that Burke told the colonists to look for the Derelict! (his report date is read out by Ripley in Aliens (6/12/79)
So if it isn't the same planet, are we suggesting there are TWO derelicts in the Zeta 2 Reticuli system? WTF!
LV426JGFPM
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 3:14 AM@zzodr
I think people are just having a hard time that the proof is staring them in the face. Either way you are pointing out some very good info!
LV426JGFPM
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 3:37 AMAs for the whole travel time between earth and lv-426. http://time.absoluteavp.com/time2.html
It states in the timeline that during the Mid 22nd century. Faster than light travel has been achieved or improved upon.
You said it took Prometheus 5 years to get there. In the Alien realm, it states it took the USS Sulaco 3 weeks. So there is definitely some change in the technology area.
Shaw's_sweet_baby
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 4:09 AMI aggree that this has to be LV-426. Notice how the atmosphere is suddenly changing and Shaw is blown away by a powerful wind that looks awfully similar to that of the original Alien movie setting when the crew of Nostromo first set foot on the planet. Also notice in one of the trailers that the ribcage of the Space Jockey sitting in its chair is moving in a strange way, almost as if something is about to burst out from the inside just like it happened to the Space Jockey in the original Alien. And we do know for a fact that the derelect is going to crash on the planet. All this just seems too familiar to be a coinsidence. Also it makes more sense for Ridley Scott to take us back to where it all started than some unknown planet.
Ross
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 4:45 AMI am in two minds whether or not this is in fact set on LV-426.
During Ripley's corporate interogation by Van Lewen and the other suits he states "..you set down on LV-426, AN UNSURVEYED WORLD AT THAT TIME, for reasons unknown...."
Either it is simply to his knowledge that it was unsurveyed or a Weyland-Yutani cover-up.
TheSNARK
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 5:29 AMFrom Wiki: "rewrites of Spaihts' script by Lindelof developed a separate story that precedes the events of Alien, but which is not directly connected to the films in the Alien franchise. [u]According to Scott, though the film shares "strands of Alien's DNA, so to speak", and takes place in the same universe, Prometheus will explore its own mythology and ideas. "[/u]
It is NOT LV-426!
There are Sjs, there are maybe things that grow inside you, there are maybe 'monsters', but that is it.
Why can't that be accepted.
DAVIS
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 6:34 AM[img]http://i.imgur.com/Rojxb.jpg[/img]
This photo screaming to me both Space Jockey and Derelict are different thing.
TheSNARK
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 7:06 AMDavis: Thank you!
Yes they are different things because THE PALNET IN Prometheus IS NOT LV426!!
The SJ is a "space suit" that fits whoever is piloting the craft.
In Prometheus it is obviously a human who has been mutated into an "Engineer"/SJ.
(From the trailer, my guess is Holloway.)
In ALIEN it was an unknown entity, far larger.
Mostly, they come at night. Mostly.
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 7:40 AMI think you all missing a key point. The Weyland Industries website timeline states:
Weyland astronomers discover multiple moons and a ringed planet just outside the Zeta 2 Reticula System, which are possibly able to support life. Weyland expects to travel there within the century.
Multiple moons and a planet... surly LV-426 could be one of these moons. Prometheus takes place on the actual planet and the derelict we see in Alien eventually crashes on one of the moons? Or the other way round if LV-426 is a planet.
Do they discuss whether LV-426 is a moon or a planet in Alien, I can't remember!
Either way this scenario makes sense, especially due to the Weyland Industries site going to the effort of saying 'multiple moons and a planet'...
zzodr
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 8:11 AMWell, either way.. some will be right when the movie comes out and some will be wrong! Even if it isn't LV426 (and I pretty certain it is)
I think we can agree ITS THE SAME SOLAR SYSTEM? (Zeta 2 Reticuli!!)
So, we KNOW the Prometheus rams the alien craft (let's call it the Derelict - same one in Alien) and it CRASHES!
So, then if this Isn't LV426... does the Derelict fly somewhere else, (highly bloody unlikely considering it got RAMMED AND CRASHES!! Or are there TWO Derelicts in system! WTF!!
So Davis... as for the SJ not looking the same.
For one, the movies are 33 years apart. Movie prop production has come a bit of a way since 1979. The SJ in Prometheus is alive in year 2073 (give or take a few years for voyage time) The one is Alien is clearly dead in year 2122.
So are you telling me they should look identical.. 49 years apart in movie time and 33 yrs in RL with the presence of a substance/alien life form on the ship that CAN MUTATE LIFE?!
WTF!
Mostly, they come at night. Mostly.
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 8:31 AMA agree, LV-426 will feature in the film, we just don't how yet.
There could easily be more than one SJ ship too. The first crashes on the planet, the second on LV-426. And Ridley has said he wants to do a sequel to Prometheus so this could be when the second ship crashes on to LV-426. This film may not lead straight into Alien if he wants a sequel..
I still think the fact that the Weyland website states a 'planet and several moons' has significance to the film.
Either way, I can't bloody wait :)
aintnozeno
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 9:12 AMI think to assume the derelict is the same one, on the same moon, reduces the "reach" of the SJ race considerably. With all the different "forms" we've seen between the two movies so far, and all the urns, and all the technology the SJs wield, then reducing their location to one moon and one ship seems weak.
The huge sections of ground opening to release the SJ ship, and the sheer size of the ship and caves and temples indicates a RACE of beings at work. All of these things had to be built, and two blue dudes could not have done it alone.
I know some things change in designs from 1979 until now, but the pictures above CLEARLY show two different chairs, and two different creatures. I have doubts, or at least hopes that RS and company would not miss such huge details as that.
One way or another, we should all know soon. 77 days and counting.
genjitsu17
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 9:48 AMGonna go with no, since the timeline clearly states the discovery of LV426 and the coordinates for the Prometheus Project were 50 years apart. People who think the jockies can't have more than one ship....I mean, that's just stoopid. This is not an Alien prequel.
I may work for the company, but im really an OK guy.
genjitsu17
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 9:52 AMI love all things Alien, just not to the point that it blinds me from seeing how cool this NEW story will be. Anyone else see all the egg looking things on the console where the green orb is? Also on the chair, in front of the jockies face.
I may work for the company, but im really an OK guy.
Biomechanic
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 10:01 AMIf you decided to make a movie and most of it was it's own story but a surprise plot twist at the end continued the story of one of your previous movies. Wouldn't it make sense to mislead people against thinking it a prequel?
genjitsu17
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 10:06 AMGood point. I think i'll be cool either way. Just seems like a lot of stuff has to be explained for that to happen.
I may work for the company, but im really an OK guy.
artyoh
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 10:08 AMI don't buy "artistic license" or "effects have come a long way in 30 years" or "the alien goo changed the ship" for a moment.....no way, no how. Why would he make that much more exposition necessary to explain such discrepancies, when perfectly replicating the chair, etc. would have been so simple? Did the alien goo cause the statis chambers ( or whatever ) around the chair to completely disappear? Seriously?
TheSNARK
MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 10:30 AMBiomechano:"If you decided to make a movie and most of it was it's own story but a surprise plot twist at the end continued the story of one of your previous movies. Wouldn't it make sense to mislead people against thinking it a prequel?"
Yeah, that's it!
Ridley Scott is well known for this sort of thing!
I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of the movie, after the goo in the urns has mutated the planet, the surviving humans, the Prometheus itself, it reaches across the farking galaxy and wipes the memories of everyone and everything, who knows where this farking rock is, so that years later (what's the time line between this movie and "Alien") a farking tug boat stumbles across the place and a computer and an android jump up and say "We found it!!".
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