SJ Ship is the Derelict

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Gavin

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The Space Jockey ship we will see in Prometheus [b]IS[/b] the derelict. I have downloaded every trailer that has been released for Prometheus and have just rewatched the original trailer that was released back in december and compared it to the new trailers... THE SHAPE AND ORIENTATION OF THE DERELICT HAS CHANGED Heres the old version of the Derelict from the december trailer... [img]http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac89/snorkelbottom/OldDerelict.jpg[/img] And heres the new version of the Derelict from the UK trailer... [IMG]http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac89/snorkelbottom/NewDerelict.jpg[/IMG] And heres the original Derelict from the 1979 Alien... [img]http://application.denofgeek.com/images/m/75spaceships/main/derelict.jpg[/img] In the original trailer the Derelict looked more angular and sharper, much to the fans dis-satisfaction, and started the debate that it wasn't the same ship from Alien. Yet in the new trailers the ship is more bulbous and organic looking, and is positioned 180 degrees the other way round. Obviously the fans voices have been heard and the Derelict was changed to better look like the Derelict from Alien. Thus IMHO this is the Derelict from Alien, and this is LV-426/Archeron.

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alteredstate.March 26, 2012

Not really i guess it all depends when it appears in the film and the rest of the events leading up to and after like i said i'm unsure we shall see in due course.

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EnderMarch 26, 2012

I'm surprised at you snorks, not like you to make a completely unsubstantiated statement. This has been discussed to death and I only opened the thread because your profile pic was on it. Have you any evidence, pics, data etc...... to support this claim? I would genuinely like it to be proven either way.

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FamishedMarch 26, 2012

[b][u]Damon Lindelof (March 2012)[/u][/b] [i]"If there were a sequel to this movie, it would not be 'Alien,'" insists Lindelof. "There's an inevitability, in watching a prequel, where you're like, 'OK, if the ending of this movie is just going to be the room that John Hurt walks into, that's full of eggs, there's nothing interesting in that because we know where it's going to end.' With really good stories, you don't know where it's going to end. So this movie, hopefully, will contextualize the original 'Alien,' so that when you watch it again, maybe you know a little bit more." But, Lindelof adds,[b] "If we're fortunate enough to do a sequel to 'Prometheus,' it will tangentialize even further away from the original 'Alien.'[/b][/i]

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MelkorMarch 26, 2012

Yawn. What FAMISHED said. I'd bet my left testicle that it IS NOT the derelict.

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GavinMarch 26, 2012

Pictures have been added for proof, enjoy... @ Famished - well obviously, theres what approximately 37 years between Prometheus and Alien, thus a lot to play around it. But the difference in the Derelict in the new trailer is undeniable!

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CypherMarch 26, 2012

Damn I knew the shape and look had changed somewhat but seeing them on top of each other is awesomeness :-D and I have to add, that I think the ending of Prometheus will set it up for the crew of the Nostromo to find that ship later on. I agree with Snork. This is a pre-story to the events in Alien.

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FrantzMarch 26, 2012

Very interesting snok ....if the movie dont prove me otherwise , thats an alien prequel , point . i wonder if they will make other changes ( to the chair for example ) to make them look more alienish ....

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ShinobiX9XMarch 26, 2012

Hello i'm new, wanted to share a thought. Based on what i red, i get the impression that Prometheus is not about Alien mainly. Before the end of the movie that derelict could crash and serve as the beginning of Alien. But that wouldn't be the end of the movie but follow another path that "will tangentialize even further away from the original 'Alien." Just an idea, it would make Alien a side story.

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BiomechanicMarch 26, 2012

Nice find Snorkelbottom. I made an animation of the difference just for the heck of it: [img]http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/7886288/img/prometheus/change.gif[/img]

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ukalienMarch 26, 2012

I agree with snork 100% Why make movie about the a ship that looks incredibly similar to the derelict from ALIEN, same SJ chair, same wayland company and so on.. It must scare people who think there will be a Prometheus sequel.

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reffugeeMarch 26, 2012

I Agree Frantz, I always thought the first image looked like an unfinished Photoshop pic that didn't fit in with other crashing derelict scene.

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Spacey ManMarch 26, 2012

So if it's the same ship from Alien how do the eggs not topple over?

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GavinMarch 26, 2012

@ Spacey Man - Superglue, I reckon LOL

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Unlimited PowerMarch 26, 2012

Good eyes Snork!

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AshmodeanMarch 26, 2012

Thats awesome Snork! I knew it looked more detailed in the new trailers but I didn't realise how different it actually looks. It makes you wonder how other things we have seen in the trailers may end up being completely different when the movie comes out.

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FrantzMarch 26, 2012

can be a mutation just like the wall ?? nahh ....btw is strange , it mean that someone said "hey guys on the forums they say that the SJs ship is a way too different from the original ..change it ... " or maybe Giger didnt gave his permission to use the same "architecture" ?

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TheNextLV426March 26, 2012

You are comparing 2 images of the crashed ship from the Promethus trailer and not to the original film. If you compare it to the derelict in Alien the position of the ship is totally wrong. Alien - the ship crashed at an angle, like it was attempting to land. Not to mention the rocky outcrop it has crashed into Prometheus - it's head on collision in a barren area. No rocks. [url=http://www.ifc.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/1222-prometheus-derelict.jpg]Your text to link here...[/url]

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GavinMarch 26, 2012

@ TNLV426 - The Derelict in Prometheus doesn't crash head on it rolls, and most likely topples over to be the position it is in Alien! The image were we all thought the derelict has stood upright (see the image for "The Cast" at the top of the page), is probably the ship taking off from its underground hangar.

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silicaMarch 26, 2012

What if the ship is like a living organism that can change and even heal? I wouldn't be surprised if it changed form then. Maybe it only needs to merge with a living driver to fly. Who knows, maybe we all assume the SJs are important, but maybe these ships are the main characters. Even the Xenos always make ship-like tunnels wherever they nest, maybe they're trying to replicate 'home'?

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MU-TH-R 182March 26, 2012

This is confusing, because everything I see in the trailers tells me the new image is the wrong one. Footage of the collision shows the derelict falling into a rotation which if continued would match the landing of the ship as shown in the original image. There is just enough time in the trailers to show the ship rocking left to right on impact, and then in another sequence, rolling onto the end of the same arm. Finally, if we're expecting the ship to finally come to rest, falling away from camera as we look at these images, the second ship would end up on its roof!

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skyguy1054March 26, 2012

I have no evidence for this, but has anyone considered that there may be fleets of these ships?

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genjitsu17March 26, 2012

The "hammerhead" side now looks even less like the original.

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genjitsu17March 26, 2012

@ skyguy. Sure, why wouldn't they have more? Pretty lame super-race if they only have one ship. Not sure what to think of that pic. More organic, yes. More like original, no.

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Myrddin365March 26, 2012

Its the same kind of ship, but I don't think we can definitively prove same ship same planet based on the changes to make the ship look better.

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GavinMarch 26, 2012

Picture of the original Derelict from 1979 Alien has been added for extra comparison @ muthur182 - from what we can see in the trailers the Derelict rolls towards Shaw and Vickers, after it has done this it will most likely topple onto its underneath and settle into the position seen in Alien. @ Genjitsu17 - With the new added picture I would say that it looks all but identical to the original Derelict from 1979 Alien.

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pvt.WierzbowskiMarch 26, 2012

I originally though that the reversed shape of the boneship was a hint. A hint to that the boneships are grown and it's only DNA modification which cause the boneship to grow in mirror shape. Now it seems like simple early production error :( The fact that the production wants the ships to look the same is taking away lot of potential from the possible story.

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pvt.WierzbowskiMarch 26, 2012

If I look again carefully at the pictures the shape did not change. Only the position is reversed. Check the 3 central openings (the entrances used in Alien movies). If these opening are near the ground the hammerhead is on the right side. And this is the same on all 3 picures. They only changed the orientation in which the ship slides from left to right on the Prometheus pictures.

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GavinMarch 26, 2012

Actuallt the picture from the new trailer (the second pic) is more bulbous and rounded, and the two prongs have been amended also!

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flacnvinylMarch 26, 2012

Snorks, I agree with you. The ship is the Derelict. If this were NOT the derelict, Scott would have designed a new 'SJ ship' of some sort. Instead, it is almost identical to the original design. A little less 'curvy' but very very close. The changes between trailers is very interesting. (Innards being black in the new scene with David and the urn.) The one thing that really bugs me about the new redesign is the cockpit/control room. The 'boneship' look of the original design now looks completely different. If these are supposed to be the same ship, then I hope the gun/turret/control-room is multi-tiered and that we simply haven't seen the room from Alien, yet. Whether that is a multi-roomed approach, or a transformation of the ship, I really don't care. But it drives me crazy that the rooms are so drastically different, IF they are the same room... [img]http://i.imgur.com/OFms4.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/photosizer/upload/14prompromhires122211.jpg[/img]

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TKfanboy421March 26, 2012

WHAT IF........each S/J, or crew of S/J's have their own ship but each one is tailored different to the driver?, customized if you will. I.E.-- say 4 people have the exact same model car, but each one will customize it differently to suit their own taste. I don't believe that the alien ship from Alien and Prometheus are the same ship, I believe they are in communication with others spread out across the universe and when the ship crashes on the Prometheus planetoid, he calls his homie over in Zeta-Reticuli 1, to jam to Earth right quick and finish the job. (maybe)

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GavinMarch 26, 2012

two identical ships crash from the same species in the same system, dont think so

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TKfanboy421March 26, 2012

please bro, i saw that same scenario in the rain storm yesterday, 2 cars, same species, crashed 25 feet apart from each other. (i forgot you wrote the film snorks...) really? -edit: (BTW, they were in the same system too, same planet even, lol)

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GavinMarch 26, 2012

Like I said you expect ridley to say "lets do another film, where another space jockey, in an identical ship, crashes again in the same system"... Really? Even ridley aint that stupid, come on!

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TKfanboy421March 26, 2012

Not crashed again, crashed (stranded) originally. Ship on the prometheus planetoid destroyed. I guess we will have to agree to disagree, and find out in 73 days homie.

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GavinMarch 26, 2012

@ TKfanboy - I don't follow your position on this, I am saying that this is the same derelict we see in Alien, I though that was clear!

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craigamoreMarch 26, 2012

Honestly...I go back and forth on that point Snorky....I can see it logically from both sides.....

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GavinMarch 26, 2012

The way I see it is this... [i]Prometheus - Ridley Scott makes a film where... a Space Jockey in a Derelict ship crashes in the Zeta Reticuli system. Alien - Ridley Scott makes a film where... a Space Jockey in an identical Derelict ship also crashes in the same system.[/i] ... Somehow I don't see that happening, unless they are infact the one and same event - this [b][u]IS[/u][/b] the Derelict from Alien.

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TKfanboy421March 26, 2012

And that is totally cool my friend, because I don't follow your position on this either, your theory was in your honest opinion, and mine was mine. I didn't try to debunk YOUR opinion, only add mine, so all I ask is the same courtesy. This is a fan forum for discussion, not ; "My idea is right, so everyone else go with it." - I would never do that simply for a fun debate's sake. That's all i'm saying my man. If I hurt your feelings....I apologize. ;) I'm over it. But I do like alot of your other ideas---as I've stated in other threads.

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artyohMarch 26, 2012

From the outside.....and in the same left/right, up/down orientation.... the SJ ship in "Prometheus" looks essentially the same as the derelict......but you could say the same about our retired space shuttle fleet. One unsurprisingly looks almost exactly like another. However, the inside of the Prometheus SJ ship is another story entirely. The map room is a different shape, there are several large pods on the platform, and there are clear differences in details between the "Alien" and "Prometheus" chairs. I don't accept the notion that RS or anyone else involved in this production had a "casual" attitude about continuity.......or that the pods somehow disappear and the chair changes as a result of goo-mutation, etc. There's actually more evidence to conclude that they're two different ships, rather than they're the same.......unless you accept the notion that every light blue 09 Chevy Malibu you see parked at your local mall must belong to the same person.

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TKfanboy421March 26, 2012

Prometheus - Ridley Scott makes a film where... a Space Jockey in a Derelict ship crashes in the Zeta Reticuli system at LV-426. Alien - Ridley Scott makes a film where... humans end up back at the site of the original stranded derelict in the same system at LV-426. (Not the one destroyed by the Prometheus on the planetoid IN prometheus.) --can you at least see where i'm coming from, cause i can see where you are coming from, i just dont agree with it. (THIS IS LIKE ARGUING WITH MY WIFE---LMAO.)

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