The fails of the ancient astronaut theory

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Kane77

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There are many books and boards discussing this themes, in fact I have the impression its the main thing right now. Of course, firstly it sounds interesting, (stunning for Sci-Fi kids, no question) more than ever in our technical advanced times. Even Scott refers directly to this theory, made popular by Erich von Däniken in the 70ies or Sitchin in the last years. well, the ancient astronaut theory is rather a [i]believe system[/i] because it kicks but simply is not true. This is discussed on many boards like ATS, too. There are some major fails in it, firstly it is no theory, because it simply is archeological not proofable. The attempts beeing made are very poor and they rather [i]jump[/i] to conclusions and [i]ignore[/i] scientific proof, when professionals answer. Another fail is to warp scientific data [i]against better knowing.[/i] This shows further more its a [i]believe[/i] system. Its a fact that the popular writers of these books are in it [i]for the money[/i], thats their motive. Sitchin for example was completely debunked, scientifically. Here´s a archeologist, who shows that : http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/ancientastro/ancientastro.html ( even in the Prometheus trailer there is a popular ancient Sumerian tablet featured that he used for his books, an allegedley star map. ) Däniken was in jail, when he got his ideas of writing highly speculative books, that later became bestsellers of course. I watched some of Dänikens shows in germany when I was into UFOs etc in about 1990. Another critic point is that this stuff has the [i]spiritual[/i] potential of beeing [b]literally[/b][i][/i] anti-christian, in its extreme. But this particular theme is for those who are deeper into that. http://beginningandend.com/prometheus-movie-return-alien-gospel/ cheers

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CanadaPhil
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March 30, 2012

I have one easy answer why it fails. Simply that they are pumped ad naseum by guys like this..... [img]http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6uv27cqqa1qaauhwo1_500.jpg[/img] Good grief.... Poor G'Kar is turning in his grave. LONDO MOLARRI still lives!! Seriously, that Weirdo Hairdo guy frightens me !!

Kane77
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March 30, 2012

VERY good example.. ;) [i]we dont know how the ancient build the great pyramid.ergo, aliens must have build it.[/i] lolz once more, anyone can [i]believe[/i] what he wants, but this stuff is not true.

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March 30, 2012

While I agree, Kane, to me the ancient astronaut theory is rubbish when it is held up to the candle that is modern science. Rightfully so, it belongs in the movies. But you must admit, it DOES make for one hell of a screenplay. Especially in the hands of those like Scott, Giger, and Lindelhof. We are not pursuing fact, or non-fiction here. The topic is pure fiction, where the ancient astronauts fit in quite well.

Kane77
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March 30, 2012

no prob with fiction or science stimulation..Prometheus will be THE movie, stargate is nice, too in that. But do you know how many misinformed and uneducated people got seriously brainfu**ed ? some people take over Jedi as a real religion..

CanadaPhil
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March 30, 2012

I have to admit that I dont really mind the Ancient Astronaut type of idea, if this is where this movie is going. But geez, this movie would probably seem like pornography to a guy like the Weirdo Hairdo guy. Wouldn't it be hillarious if he later starts using this MOVIE as PROOF that he is correct with his theories. He will probably claim that Ridley Scott is in fact the direct descendant of and A.A. and that the movie contains hidden visual clues that he will spend the remainder of his life trying to decipher. PS: Why on earth is a ridiculous program like that on the "HISTORY" Channel ???

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March 30, 2012

@CanadaPhil, I could see people building RS shrines, going on pilgrimages to the real-world filming locations, hopping in barrels to go over the Dettifoss convinced that it's a portal to Zeta Reticuli or something.

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March 30, 2012

jones......you mean like the pilgrimages people take to 'Middle Earth' in NEW ZEALAND...

Kane77
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March 30, 2012

@Canada exactly that is going on at ATS right now, there are kids that are quoting this a real proof.. Yeah on history channel, there you go..imagine it 50 years later.. there was a critical answer right about this to Ridley when the new trailer was released..he was stunned.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=610TmUyGwJ8 about 18.00..

Hicks148
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March 30, 2012

I am an ancient alien proponent, but I have to admit that Weirdo Hairdo guy isn't exactly helping to put a serious face on the theories. As for the notion of scientific proof, there doesn't appear to be any conclusive proof either way, so it does come down to belief. However, we do have the physical evidence of, for example, certain ancient structures that engineering experts today still don't know how the materials were transported, carved and placed together. It's not proof of ancient aliens, but that we don't know how to replicate the stuff with our modern technology does provide reasonable fuel to the debate. As for being anti-christian. I find it bizarre that folks can believe in God and the visitation of the son of God via the virgin birth, without any shred of scientific proof whatsoever and NOT also believe in ancient aliens. As an ancient alien proponent I do believe in Jesus, in so much as I believe there was some person, human or otherwise, walking around Israel 2000 or so years ago, having a profound effect on the people. But I am anti-religion in that I believe the church is a construct of man with a mandate of power and control over fearful, faithful, but ignorant people. Whatever message(s) were intended by Jesus have totally been corrupted over the long years. Ancient aliens existed. There is more evidence to suggest they existed than not; and that there is no irrefutable proof of their existence, does not prove they didn't exist. But weirdo hairdo guy's image isn't helping. Shame.

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March 30, 2012

[b]No one knows our origins or if there is a God[/b] I would like to take a logical and reasonable approach to this. I am an agnostic, which means I am neutral when it comes to the existance of God. How can anyone say there is a God(gods) or not? How do you know that there is or not? The truth is, that no one knows the truth. I was an atheist, but when I figured out that who was I do say whether god exists or not, I turned agnostic. I was also turned off by the arrogance and obnoxiuousness of some atheists. Who says that God isn't an alien? What is God? Why do people believe in a super natural being, yet think that aliens don't exist? The term "God" has been manipulated and twisted over thousands of years to fit the culture's convience. God is what you want it to be. Regardless of God is real or man made, it has certainly a man made element of claimng to know what God is without evidence. I think that it's possible that God is an alien or that mankind was seeded here. It's no more extordinary sounding than a super natural being in another relm creating the universe. Or we evolved from apes or another primate over millions of years and God created nature. Or There is no god and this is all chance, which would be just as extrodinary as if God created us. For those of you who just stereotype people for the way someone looks, you should start learning some life lessons. Those of you who are going to be ignorant and obnoxious by jumping to conclusions, being easily offended, and relying souly on stereotypes, it's time to grow up.

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[b]No one knows our origins or if there is a God[/b] I would like to take a logical and reasonable approach to this. I am an agnostic, which means I am neutral when it comes to the existance of God. How can anyone say there is a God(gods) or not? How do you know that there is or not? The truth is, that no one knows the truth. I was an atheist, but when I figured out that who was I do say whether god exists or not, I turned agnostic. I was also turned off by the arrogance and obnoxiuousness of some atheists. Who says that God isn't an alien? What is God? Why do people believe in a super natural being, yet think that aliens don't exist? The term "God" has been manipulated and twisted over thousands of years to fit the culture's convience. God is what you want it to be. Regardless of God is real or man made, it has certainly a man made element of claimng to know what God is without evidence. I think that it's possible that God is an alien or that mankind was seeded here. It's no more extordinary sounding than a super natural being in another relm creating the universe. Or we evolved from apes or another primate over millions of years and God created nature. Or There is no god and this is all chance, which would be just as extrodinary as if God created us. I agree that the guy's hair in the pic doesn't help his cause, but those of you who just stereotype people for the way someone looks, you should start learning some life lessons. Those of you who are going to be ignorant and obnoxious by jumping to conclusions, being easily offended, and relying souly on stereotypes, it's time to grow up.

Kane77
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March 30, 2012

what Christ was or not is up to believe, but what the church has made of it is another thing, I believe he was real and an important evolutional event. archeology is very interesting and there will be important findings in future I guess. The most stunning thing I read last year was about the building and porpose of the great pyramid as beeing a giant water pump with matching findings..and no aliens necessary ;) I also can imagine taht people 12000 years ago (or much earlier) could have had special psychic powers that we dont have any more for moving 20 ton stones..well..

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March 30, 2012

I think we don't give older and/or primitive cultures enough respect for their ingenuity. I mean, we can't even seem to recreate how some old painters constructed their oil paintings, let alone how pyramids were built. And never underestimate our ability to overestimate our so called experts. Our biases and preconceptions often keep us from seeing possibilities, no matter how intelligent or observant we are.

Kane77
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March 30, 2012

@W you can believe ( or not belive ) what you want, as anyone, whose picture is of course influenced ( or build) by personal experiences. I , personally, am not a believer of a religious system like catholic, protestant, pagan or creationism either, even I was raised a protestant. But there is history. Do you really think that the hierarchy is just another fairytale? Spiritual beeings are real. Aliens are a theory, mostly made up by agencies. Most alien/ abduction reports are of real [i]demonic[/i] character as a fact. And do we know, what secret high tech weapons/ ships our secret, multi Billion-Dollar black OP-manufacturers produce?

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Yes, I would like to believe that we have lost certain 'mental' powers; after all how is it we evolved with such large brains that we don't use much of - seems counter-evolutionary, unless I'm missing something... ancient alien DNA manipulation, for instance.

Kane77
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@Biehn paintings are made by hand with technique and real inspiration. Michelangelo was a great mason and architect, too. Pyramids, well, I guess the great one or other sites are still up to be fully explained, the smaller ones are no secret. Yeah, right those AAT´s believers argue basically with [i]underdeveloped[/i] ancient cultures. Very nice. @Bien why necessarily [i]alien[/i], define [i]alien[/i]. maybe just higher spirits, evolutional? This is [i]plausible[/i] and [i]likeley[/i].

CanadaPhil
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@ Jones & Craigmore... Hahahah... I hope not. At lot of this was shot on sound stages in my hometown Toronto apparently. But, as goofy as it sounds... There ARE in fact people like that who for lack of a better purpose, latch on to some fictional idea as if it is their new religion. Frightening really.

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@Kane77 Yes, and those painting techniques are as complex in their own way as building a structure with primitive tools. And the proper application of technique has allowed those paintings to last for centuries. But to artists today, much of those techniques are referred to as "secrets of the Old Masters." Lost knowledge. So if modern man can't even replicate that, how could we ever understand how the ancients created the Pyramids with their primitive tools? But here's a hint: the knowledge of the Old Masters isn't lost at all. We do have enough information to be able to recreate their results. But alot of people in the art world, for some reason, don't want to believe or they deny the evidence that is in front of them. Those biases and preconceptions I was talking about. Maybe it's the same with the pyramids and such.

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March 30, 2012

I am with HICKS148 on this all the way. Dead on my feeling exactly. Well done.

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