The derelict is alive
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2fray2
MemberOvomorphApril 12, 20122946 Views40 RepliesOk dudes ! It seems a little bit crazy... But imaginie: the vessel is alive. When you think that the vessel structure is "exo-skelleto-biologic" or "bio-mechanoid" note that In that case, the space jockey is not especially a "pilot", but just the heart of this "host"...
voila, voila, c'est la vie...
crazy ?
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Mark CawleyApril 12, 2012
I said this a while ago.........in another post, that the ship is also capable of self repair.
And i still think it....im glad im not alone on this lol.



kellicottiApril 12, 2012
Makes sense! Have you read the post regarding the SJ "suit" and how it is literally biomechanically connected to the ship? I think it was first mentioned on the thread regarding the new images, specifically the mural.

BellaisanAlienApril 12, 2012
In fact it could be possible that a xeno could eventually grow to become the derelict ship.......
NoXWordApril 12, 2012
Or a Corg Bube, Shilliam Watner.
Anyway, I would love the idea.
Ridley Scott will eventually tell us how the Queen was born.
Right now we have the Deacon; coming soon the Mercury, the May and the Taylor.

jujutsukaApril 12, 2012
I think it's very plausible that the ship is alive and can self-repair. Like previously mentioned technologies (Borg), I was also thinking of the large ship from Skyline that reassembles.
(On a tangent, that talk of reassembly makes me want to watch Vampire Hunter D and Hellsing again...)
Re-assembly could also quell the fears of some that there is more than one SJ ship, i.e., the one in Prometheus isn't the one in Alien. We see the Prometheus ram the SJ ship, and we we see the SJ ship crash, but nobody can say for certain that the SJ ship is out of commission.
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NecrofanApril 12, 2012
2fray2, we seem to have made the same thoughts known on the same day today... mine I talked about in someone else's thread... the gist being the ship is as alive as the Space Jockeys, Xenos, and the big giant head, a result of the "means of life" being misused by those who stole it millions of years ago, and used it to seed earth with before the gods found out and everything went terribly wrong. Hell, the planet could even be going through some kind of transformation. All because of the theft - making the Space Jockeys the original Prometheus in this story.
NecrofanApril 12, 2012
If the ship were alive, the eggs that are eventually found could actually be produced by the ship itself, trying to find a means to reproduce. Not the ship's fault, necessarily, just a perverted result of the misuse the "fire."
NecrofanApril 12, 2012
I also think if we are to believe that such a literal Prometheus-like character existed at some point because of the new mural pic that was released, we can assume that, at some point, ZEUS is going to show up and crash the party, so to speak. My mind goes back to the clouds forming in the sky during the trailer...

ukalienApril 12, 2012
I also had post about this ages ago and people laughed at the idea. It makes perfect sense of how the eggs came to be laying about in the underneath of the derelict. There clearly will be no queen in this movie so how the fcuk was they all laid? So if the ships alive it could be capable of laying eggs
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Constealltion88April 12, 2012
SJ equivalent of Bio warfare maybe? Crash a fully "grown" ship with all of its contents on a planet and just let a speices curiosity do the rest?
Like on LV-426?
HmmmmmM?

TheNextLV426April 12, 2012
so you are saying that xenomorphs are baby space ships who grow up to be derelicts that fly around the galaxy?
no offence but I hope the plot doesn't take that route
2fray2April 12, 2012
Plants and trees are alive even if they don't look like.. Life can take many many forms :)

GavinApril 12, 2012
I would rather go down the route that a Xenomorph hive has the potential to become a derelict, or at least the shell of one.
An interesting idea nonetheless.

SpartacusApril 12, 2012
it would certainly explain the egg chamber under it at the end of Alien Snorky!


TheNextLV426April 12, 2012
I have been reading Alien the last few nights. I do get the impression that the ship is organ or grown rather than created.
I don't think it constitutes as to being alive, at least alive as we know it.

GavinApril 12, 2012
So explain the pilot growing out of the seat, or the fact that the corridors of the shape have bones?!?

Constealltion88April 12, 2012
Perhaps not alive, but made grown or fused from organic material. I've always felt like the Derelict have a very eery yet biological look about it.

TheNextLV426April 12, 2012
@snorkelbottom
It is conceivable that the SJs grow the ship and it is organic in nature but I am not willing to believe that a xeno grows up to be a spaceship. Besides, we have already seen a queen lay eggs so we know the process. The eggs in the ship are easy to explain. They were laid by the alien that hatched from the SJ

ukalienApril 12, 2012
maybe the ship is feeding off the SJ, like how a snake would digest its food over long period of time?

TheNextLV426April 12, 2012
@ukalien
Possible. But more probably that SJs have evolved beyond using metal and plastics to growing everything organically.
I expect if you were to visit the SJ home world they would live in organically grown houses made out of the same material.
I'm not dissing your theory, I would just take a bit of convincing :-)

SpartacusApril 12, 2012
[quote]The eggs in the ship are easy to explain. They were laid by the alien that hatched from the SJ[/quote]
That's what I thought about 18 months ago, have found out different since then, the truth is we really don't know this for a fact. In fact it is IMO the biggest mystery left over from the film Alien.

BigDaveApril 12, 2012
I think the Ship is bio mechanical in a way but i dont think it is alive as in can controll itself.
The ship i feel is mearly like a Snails Shell. or a Oysters etc.
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SpartacusApril 12, 2012
1st off that facehugger would have had to have been a Queen, and as Snorky has pointed out the hole leading down into the underbelly/cavern is pretty big. Did a QUEEN BIRTH GROW AND THEN LAY THEM, WHAT ABOUT THE LASER LIGHTS AROUND THEM PROTECTING THEM? There seem to be more questions then answers actually.

TheNextLV426April 12, 2012
Actually @Spartacus, we don't know if the xenos are able to become queens if there are no existing queens in the hive. Otherwise, what are the odds on Newts parents finding a queen face hugger in a ship full of eggs? probably just as low.
The laser lights I will give you. I cant explain that. The laser light wasn't in the book. In the book Kane finds urns and one of them is empty and that wasn't in the movie so there was some cost cutting done there.
IMHO I dont believe the ship was transporting eggs but transporting urns. That I hope will become clear in 58 days
2fray2April 12, 2012
@TheNextLV426 You mean Dallas ?
[img]http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d105/solicia/PrometheusAlien/NovelPages/Urns.jpg[/img]

SpartacusApril 12, 2012
I agree "Next"...completely, and what i meant by Lights was that filmy thing coating them which is hard to speculate on as to it's origin.
So I have to agree that on closer examination of that whole deal down there and up there and all around there, that we just "Don;t know for sure" and hopefully..."YET" cause damn it I wanna know, don't you guys?

TheNextLV426April 12, 2012
@2fray2 - yep sorry I mean Dallas. These urns are hopefully the same things we are seeing in the Prometheus trailer. Everyone has their own guess on what they are but I think its safer to store something dangerous like a face hugger and other nasties in urns rather than in an egg form. Eggs have a habit of opening where urns have a lid.
@spartacus - absolutely I am looking forward to the movie. I just hope that RS doesn't try anything to outlandish that will spoil the franchise. I'm sure he wont but....

ukalienApril 12, 2012
TheNextLV426 :we don't know if the xenos are able to become queens if there are no existing queens in the hive. Otherwise, what are the odds on Newts parents finding a queen face hugger in a ship full of eggs? probably just as low:
in response to that dude when the marines in aliens found the labs there was evidence that weyland - yutani had ALREADY experimented on the facehuggers. My point being there probably wasn't such thing as the queen till the humans had tampered with the alien somehow, could of been a way to mass produce them for their own needs

TheNextLV426April 12, 2012
@ukalien
Was that not just the colonists removing face hungers from other colonists.
I don't recall there being a company presence, other wise, why send Ripley

GavinApril 12, 2012
IMO the eggs aboard the derelict are cargo gathered from another world were the alien had been dispatched, not from a Queen being born of the SJ.

TheNextLV426April 12, 2012
Thats a possibility @snorkelbottom but then where did the alien that hatched from the SJ go?
In a way I hope Prometheus keeps some secrets because its good to speculate.

GavinApril 12, 2012
We may see that in a true Alien prequel, but the SJ born Alien is in the novel adaptation, that 2fray2 referenced above.
NecrofanApril 12, 2012
I'm not necessarily saying any of that. The goo breathes life, intelligent life, into whatever it comes in contact with. A beautiful thing, when done correctly, you get living things like what we have on earth. But in the wrong hands, or incompetent hands, it could manifest itself into forms and 'mistakes' like the xenomorph, or a spacecraft that is coming to life, and potentially taking whatever evolutionary path the goo sets it on.
That's what I'm saying.

John D.April 12, 2012
Just to clear a few things up - the 'urns' referred to in the novelization are the alien eggs.
The Alan Dean Foster novel was completed and readied for publication prior to the movie's release, and as such it was based on earlier drafts of the script. Some elements in the novel did not make it to the screen, while others date all the way back to Dan O'Bannon and Ron Shusett's original draft of the script, which you can read online at this link:
http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/alien_early.html
The eggs are referred to as urns in two scenes in the script: once when the astronauts first enter the derelict and find an empty one (which presumably contained the creature that attacked the "space jockey") and again when the astronauts enter the pyramid (in this early draft, the pyramid full of eggs is still part of the story).
The script describes how the "urns" in the pyramid are exactly like the one found in the alien spaceship, but with one difference: they are all sealed. The text runs as follows:
(begin script excerpt)
Face bare, Broussard approaches the center of the room, which is
dominated by a large, broad pedestal. On the pedestal are ROWS OF
LEATHERY URNS OR JARS, EXACTLY LIKE THE ONE BROUSSARD STUMBLED ACROSS
IN THE ALIEN SHIP -- EXCEPT THESE ARE ALL SEALED.
He walks around the urns, studying them. They all have sealed lids. He
shines his light on one of them; then he lays his gloved hand on it.
He lifts his mask radio to his lips.
BROUSSARD
I don't know if you can hear me, but
the place is full of large bottles
or jars, just like the one we found
on the other ship -- except these
are all sealed. Also, they're soft to
the touch.
He peers more closely at the leathery object.
BROUSSARD (CONT'D)
Another funny thing -- I just put my
hand on it, and now there are these
raised areas appearing where my
fingertips were.
EXTERIOR - BASE OF PYRAMID - DAY
THE SUN DROPS BELOW THE HORIZON, throwing the landscape into gloom.
Standard and Melkonis switch on their lights.
STANDARD
Let's go.
He attaches his chest unit to the wire and starts up.
INTERIOR - TOMB - NIGHT
Broussard is moving his light along the rows of heiroglyphs on the
wall. They depict stylized drawings of strange monsters.
He pauses to quickly change the film clip in his datastick; then he
turns back to the "urn" he was examining -- BUT NOW THERE IS A HOLE IN
THE TOP OF IT.
He shines his light on the floor at the base of the "urn." There lies
the "lid" -- the stopper that had filled the hole. He picks it up and
studies it. It appears more organic than artificial; the inside
surface is spongy and irregular.
Then he turns the light to the now-open "urn."
He bends over the mouth of the "urn" shining the light in, AND WITH
SHOCKING VIOLENCE, A SMALL, OCTOPUS-LIKE THING LEAPS OUT AND ATTACHES
ITSELF TO HIS FACE, WRAPPING ITS TENTACLES AROUND HIS HEAD.
(/end script excerpt)
Notice they are described as leathery (which Kane says in the movie) and soft to the touch. Not very much like the stone- or metal-like objects depicted in the Prometheus trailer or images.
Scott, Lindelof or Spaihts may have revisited the idea of the alien eggs resembling 'urns' in order to re-use some of the discarded concepts from earlier versions of Alien, but it's safe to say that at no time during the production of the original film was any distinction made between 'urns' and 'eggs.' As far as the movie "Alien" was concerned, there was only the eggs, urn-like though they may be.

BigDaveApril 12, 2012
That is interesting as in Alien well some of the characters from that early script and the book do not apear in the Alien Movie.
In Alien their is only the Space Ship and it has Eggs not Urns...
Apart from being described as Organic and Leathery the original book and script for Alien descripes these Urns to be more like in Prometheus, which also has a temple.
Another funny thing is the description of the Squid, well maybe you can use that to descibe the Face Hugger but it only has one Tenticle and thats the tail.
So maybe Ridley is borrowing some of the unused ideas from that script and also some of Gigers unused ideas for Dune.
Could this mean that some how, the Derelict was carrying Urns not Eggs and somehow a Organism from one of those Urns is released maybe by David that then attacks the Space Jockey as he finally takes off from LV223 after a unsucsessful Ram attempt by Prometheus?
Or does David unleash the Shaw Squid Baby on the Space Jockey.
I think the end of the movie the Derelict takes off, but only gets asfar as LV426 due to David unleashing something upon the unaware Pilot. That will explain why the Ship landed on LV 426 and the Chestburster on the Space Jockey.
But then how does it answer the Urns becoming Eggs?
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