mother ship

Prometheus is the Human vessel, and not whats under ground. If they wanted to destroy or re Bio/Teraform Earth and after the cew stop the one Derelict, the Engineers launch the mothership then if this movie is set in same universe and canon to Alien/s then with no human ship left how do they stop the Mothership from reaching Earth and dealing with us. But indeed the way the ground is opening up looks different to the Silo the Derelict takes off from.

no, no, you misread...i realize the Prometheus is the human vessel...when I say "Mother Ship", I mean the Weyland ship that brings the Prometheus, as it surely didnt get there by itself, just like the other movies. The "Mother Ship" is this missions version of the Nostromo. Something brought the Prometheus to the planet. The Prometheus looks to be the cause of the sj's ship crashing in the preview, and assuming its not LV426, another ship has to make its way to the neighboring planet. And as someone else pointed out, the SJ in the trailer doesnt seem as big as the one Dallas Kane and Lambert find...although they do mention that he's "fossilized" and "grown out of his chair", i dont know enough about that to know if he could expand.

@yhms....The Nostromo did not have a mother ship. The Nostromo was in essence a tug boat hauling the refinery back to Earth from where the ore was mined. I do not believve the Prometheus would have a mothership either after viewing the drawings and diagrams. Everything the crew needs is contained on the Prometheus including the Cryo chamber. The only movie in the Alien Univers that used a mother ship was Aliens that I recall and that really cannot be considered such because it is more like a small militerized space destroyer carring a platoon of marines and their equipment.

On what have you based this, "certainty", that there is a Human Mother-ship?

There WAS some discussion a while back that seems to have fallen away. In the early set pics of the film, the name MAGELLAN was seen in several shots on doors and bulkheads of an obvious ship film prop. I would not be surprised if there is another human ship, much like the "mother" ship in Alien. Perhaps the Magellan is the "booster" assembly for the Prometheus? Hard to say for sure, but it makes for interesting discussions at least. Of course the original title of the film was "Paradise", so perhaps the original ship name was Magellan. Directors go back and change things all the time...

Big things have small beginnings The truth is between those words. Maybe a small organism is behind all this. An organism that is programmed to create or to be evolved into anything. From xeno to derelict spaceships. imagine having the control over that thing.

@FromCyprus I think that is correct but Have you not seen this picture yet? Or rather the tiny wiggly baby Xenomorph predecessor like looking thing in it? [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/1a1Prometheus-Cinemagraph-3.gif[/img]

One last time, there was no mothership in the Original Alien Movie people!

I think Chimera is right. In benefit of yhms opinion, actually neither of the prometheus´diagrams or blueprints mentions any machinery for hypervelocity, sharp drive or the like. In my opinion this is not a hint of a human mothership, but further testimony that they rely on relativistic drive _ and for that, the "nuclear powered ion plasma engines" is enough. Then the need for the cryochambers. I think this brings some problems to the whole Alien universe, by the way. Zeta Reticuli is 39 light years from Earth. If the facts in "Alien" happens only 30 years after Prometheus, we don´t have time to Weyland to know that the expedition was doomed. And if they don´t know that, how they would have provided the substitution of the science officer that resulted in Ash onboard the Nostromo?

Can't see a human mothership in here to be honest ... not sayin' there isn't one ... but then it COULD explain why Prometheus only has those 'nuclear powered ion plasma' engines .. and so NOT FTL capable drives? ... that would make sense ... Some guys did discuss about Prometheus being a drop ship a few weeks back ... we didn't have the Weyland Press sheet then but we can now speculate more on this now ... I suppose ... :) ...

I agree and have a pic to show of that scene hold on 1 sec, it does not look like the Prometheus from this shot but admittedly it is hard to be certain that it is not in fact but rather it's Mother ship doing this.... [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/A1aaims.png[/img]

@centrosphere ... Snap-is ;) ... @Sparty ... Well there are also 4 drives going full pelt there too ... so I'd say it could be Prometheus ...

The only other human ship is the escape pod/lifeboat (which may or may not be called the Magellan). [b]@Spartacus[/b] It is the Prometheus mate. You can see the four engines. This is the point where they put the pedal to the metal to chase down the derelict.

Ok, so the Nostromo landed on LV426 on its own, and their was no "drop ship", only the lifeboat narcissus ( i know the Nostromo was the large ship, i was thinking that they landed on LV426 on a drop ship). However, the Prometheus is more the size of the Sulaco's drop ship, which did not come that far out into space on its own. Theres plenty of reasons for a research ship to have a mother (backup, secondary) ship other than military reasons. A PLANNED expedition on an unknown planet would be a pretty good one. We also do not see the Prometheus traveling through space, only entering the planets atmosphere. I dont think I saw the drawings for the Prometheus, so I'm unaware if the cryochamber is definately in THAT ship.

i see them and that's what I thought but ya never know man...

@yhms.....take a look at this post. It has the officially released diagrams of the Prometheus: http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/3397 Ya know, come to think of it after looking at the ship diagrams once more, there are a few cabins that I cannot identify by just the letters. I am getting a strong sense that they are extra cabins that are being used by Weyland like a luxury suite.

Yes I have seen the picture. That little thing was create for a specific purpose. To mutate that guy or to create something else out of his biomass. The same as xeno. Maybe the derelict ot the mothership was created from small creatures. It sound like transformers but I thing we are going to see a similar thing in prometheus. Super advance nano-bio-technology that you have to be a god to control it.

And if the cryochamber IS on the Prometheus, I dont think that necessarily means that it still couldnt have broken off from a larger ship. Even after correcting my argument, I think its still a valid hypothesis, and a possible explanation for what we assume this movie results in. @allinamberclad...you're right, "certainly" is a poor word to use.

Gem]n[ "Snap-is" Sorry, I don´t get it...maybe some slang I´m not aware of. But I agree, you said it better than I: it all boils down to the fact that "Prometheus" lacks a FTL drive. Of course, this is more or less at odds with this fact at the Weyland´s corporate timeline page: [i]'Weyland scientists discover the inverse relationship between velocity and the flow of time making the long sought-after concept of faster than light travel a reality. The search for practical application begins. May 2032"[/i] This bored me a lot, because "the inverse relationship between velocity and the flow of time" is known as "Lorentz Transformation" and were deduced in the XIX century, with Einstein giving it the current interpretation. Worse: this has nothing to do with "faster than light" travel. To me this is a strong hint that the Weyland site is actually directed at a very young audiences, something acknowledged by Scott himself when he talked about how much money he thinks the movie will make.

wait wait a second here, your saying there is NO relationship between velocity and/or the flow of time that both have nothing to do with time Travel?

alright, i guess that the Prometheus is "capable of interstellar" exploration throws out the needs for a larger ship to get it into deep space, thanks for that Chimera. It just doesnt look the part. It looks like a drop ship. the Nostromo looked like a giant skyscraper floating through space...and the Sulaco looked liked a big plasma rifle. the Nostromo also wasnt designed for what it did in Alien, landing on planets it had never been to before, hence the problems it ran into setting down on the planet. @centrosphere...whats a FTL drive?

one of Ripley's very best lines comes to mind right about now.

I was not saying that you are wrong, just trying to understand what you meant? Does "Lorentz Transformation" really have Nothing to do with Time Travel? I am genuinely curious.

Ummm ... there was no "mothership" in Alien... only the cargo / ore refinery left in orbit while the Nostromo landed on LV426. And - the Prometheus is NOT anywhere near the same size as the Sulaco drop ship. That drop ship was about the size of a Chinook Helicopter - the Prometheus looks close in size to the Nostromo maybe a bit smaller - but not much. Sorry - I see exactly zero evidence for any kind of human mothership in any of the trailers or images released thus far. Just callin' it like I see it.

The Sulaco was not a drop ship either. The Suloca was a Light Colonial Marine Carrier with a small compliment of fighters and drop ships. So if you wanted to refer to it as a mothership it could make sense. It just did not carry anything near as large as the Nostromo or Prometheus.

"Does "Lorentz Transformation" really have Nothing to do with Time Travel? I am genuinely curious." No. Relativity tell us that time is perceived differently in different referencials. So we have time dilatation inside a spaceship travelling at relativistic (near "c", the speed of light) velocities. This boils down to the "twins paradox" of Einstein: if you put one in a spaceship and mantains the other in Earth, when the travelling one comes back to Earth his brother will be biologically much older, since the time in the spaceship passes more slowly. The Lorentz equation allows you to calculate this, given the speed. The problem is, nothing here allows "faster than light" travel. If you travel sufficiently near "c", the speed of light, time will pass very very slow, and you will feel it as a flash. If your ship travels at a significant fraction of "c", time will pass faster but still will be apreciable. This is why they probably need the cryochambers: the full travel (there and back) would take almost 80 years, but even if it means, like, four years to the crew, it would still mean that you should spend resources to life-supporting the crew _ better put them in the ice then. There are some reasons for the ship don´t travelling near "c": the more you approaches this speed, more power you need. Also, the space is not a real vacuum; small particles in the interstellar space would almost certainly wear off the "prometheus" carcass (that´s why Arthur C Clarke imagines a smart precaution in one of his novels: the ship has it´s front covered in ice to mitigate this effect _ but "Prometheus" lacks this kind of protection, it seems).

@ Chimera... agreed - I was referring to the dropship itself... not the Sulaco. Sorry if i was unclear.

Spartacus, Sorry, just concluding: The relativistic effects of travelling near "c" are not the same as "time travel". Well, we all "time travel", as time passes. This is the same, only, time slows for the travellers. And in no circunstance, of course, you can travel back in time.

We all need a new topic. We have beeten this bird to death already!

thats ok piter, i simply disagree. to me the prometheus is definately closer to the size of a drop ship than it is to the Nostromo. i never said they were the same size, but the nostromo was MASSIVE. evidence just in the fashion in which the two ships land. the Prometheus glides in and sets down in stride, and is an older (less advanced) ship, while the nostromo comes in like a tractor trailer backing into a NYC alleyway. and the fact that there is little evidence that there is a mother ship in the trailers only leads me to believe it could be part of the twist. also, as mentioned, we dont see the prometheus traveling through space, only entering the planets atmosphere.

"Gotcha" Centrosphere, Thanks man.

@yhms ... FLT = Faster Than Light ;) ...

@Gem...thanks, thats what I figured. the Nostromo and Sulaco didnt have that capability did it? or does anyone know that?

@ Sparti... So, what that favorite Ripley line you referred to? I love their overlapping dialog when they take off and land. "Umbilicus clear!" "Prime the Port!" "Drop us any time - We'll catch you." etc...

When she's pissed at Ash about 3/4's of the way through the film she says... [b]"I find that hard to believe"[/b]...LMFAO. in reponse to the fact that he has informed her he is "still "co-lating"

After looking at the diagrams and schematics of Nostromo, my guess is that it looks to be possibly close to twice the size of the Prometheus.

The Nostromo was a tug, i would say it would be simular in size to Prometheus. By that i dont expect either to be more than double the size of the other. [img]http://th00.deviantart.net/fs14/PRE/f/2007/079/d/b/NOSTROMO_3D_Studio_Model_view3_by_proteus6007.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.cineweekly.com/images/feature-book-review-alien-vault-03.jpg[/img] [img]http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6213/6301464406_648c365b6d_z.jpg[/img] As for the Mothership in this movie i think that ship may be either the Space Jockeys or some other Race, but its not Human. And i dont think Prometheus needs a Mother Ship to get to it LV223.

@yhms ... Also you DO actually see Prometheus in space for a short time before she descends onto the planet ... watch: Prometheus - Trailer 2 2.30min [18 Mar 2012] [iTunes] ... ;) ...

@BigDave......I agree 100%.