Space Jockey's Gun Seat thing

some kind of telescope or weapon i think, i don't think anyone knows, though there are some cool theories, someone posted a good one yesterday if you have a look through the recent threads.

this one http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/3699

Guess we dont know for sure, Cameron did call the Chair the Dentist Chair, which would imply that maybe something is planted into the Pilot? But i dont think thats the case.... Looking at the Urns in the movie i would not be suprised if somehow the Derelict uses them as Ammo, and somehow loads what inside of them or maybe the Urns themselves into the Cannon and then Fires them,,,, But i guess we wont know for sure untill we see the movie.

So Urns and Eggs can be launced into the -200F vacuum of space and penetrate the atmospheres of planets and then drop 10,000's of feet to the planets surface without being harmed in any way?? Not likely.

i would have that it plausible at least, there has been traces of what could be life found on meteorites that have travelled through the same temperatures to get to here, so in a purpose built shell by an advanced civilisation, yes, it should be perfectly possible. I can't imagine it's going to happen though.

I reckon the urn ammo will be fired once a derelict is WITHIN the atmosphere of a planet or reasonably close to the surface of one...so its entirely plausible as a possibility still...

I dont think that its any kind of weapon. My gut lies with that the gun/cannon is actually a steering wheel/navigational device. We have been calling them "JOCKEYS" all this time not Fighter Pilots

The chair could be anything, but you can tell from the trailers if you pay attention that the Jockey takes "Earth" as a blue orb from the hollow room turning it green and placing it in a receptacle, then the floor opens up and the chair comes out and a weird armor springs out of the chair that the jockey is meant to sit inside of. So most probably it is the flight chair

@CanadaPhil I have not sugested that they are fired from out of space.... but then again if the Canon faces upwards it would be hard to shoot at the ground if it was to enter a planets atmosphere. Unless its fired like a Mortar..... Then again we come to the Eggs or Urns... Have you ever throwed a Egg or a Bottle of Milk... They both smash dont they, so yes its a puzzle as to how any Egg/Urn can survive being shot... We just dont know what the purpose is, i just gave a potential, others think its some kind of scope like a periscope, which to me sounds better and what i actually thought it was...... What made me give the above theory is the way the end of the Scope/Cannon Looks. i.e what are the 15 round like things on the end? They look like end of a bullet? Also i am sure Giger refered to the Chair etc as being the Penis Cannon? If thats the case, then a Penis Shoots the most important chemical/material to the creation of life... i.e Sperm. Does the Urns contain I-Sperm...

@ BigDave, I've always thought the urns would be shot upwards out of the omni-directional 'gunseat' and drop down towards the surface just like a 'mortar' is, as you described. And we know the derelict can fly vertically too, so it may even be fired when it's 'swivelled' to aim at a 'downwards'-pointing direction even. But I don't think it's a puzzle how the urns survive, as I reckon they are MEANT to smash open on contact with the surface, so that their contents spill out to do whatever their objective is... Of course, this is all dependant on that 'veiwport' directly above the 'seat' actually opening in some way to allow the 'urn gun' access to aim out... Could this be something to do with why the 'Spacejockey' is 'strapped in' I wonder?...

@ [b]BigDave -[/b] I've always thought that the 'urn gun' would fire the 'urn ammo' upwards and they would then drop down onto the surface just like the trajectory of a 'mortar' gun as you said. In fact, since the 'derelict' can actually fly vertically, perhaps the 'urn gun' can 'swivel' around into a position that it actually fires at a 'downwards' angle. But I don't think it's a puzzle how the urns would survive...as I think they are MEANT to smash open once they hit the surface, spilling their contents out to do their objective... However, this notion is dependent on that circular 'viewport' directly above the 'seat' being able to somehow open to allow access for the 'gun' to aim out... So I wonder if this has something to do with why the 'Spacejockey' gets 'strapped into' the 'seat'?...

when i saw it way back when, i figured it was an observing device like the periscope on a submarine. i noticed the ship didnt seem to have any windows so i assumed the jockey was a pilot and he was using the periscope for navigation. i guessed his species was more demanding and cruel and fused their pilots in the peri-telescope chair to make damn sure he did his job that was required of him. like if we fused all of the cashiers in the grocery store to their registers... i never felt the jockeys were very friendly even to their own ever since i first saw the movie. just my own feeling the ship scene gave me.

good call , i did`nt think of it that way

The windows are right above the SJ seat like a sky-dome. That is a feature of the model-kit and referenced in the book when one of the three looked up and said they saw space. I'm curious as to the orientation in which the ship travels given that the only real window is above the SJ seat. Not to mention, where are the engines on this thing? Does the ship fly at you like a nose-ring with the SJs seat pointing more so vertical so as to now be horizontal? That, of course, would then have all the eggs lining walls instead of floors. Interesting.....

Also, in the newest Pro Trailer we see this gun/telescope/sj-seat thingy rising out of a hole with "business-end" first then assumably lowering when the whole apparatus is locked in position. You can see the "tip" in the trailer and it looks sealed, flat and a bit more elongated than I'd imagined. And isn't this SJ seat room the same room that can also act as a galactic holographic map-room? So why even bother with a skylight window?

Just to clarify the urn gun theory in the trailer we see David pulling something out of the urn so could the thing inside be the ammunition. The thing inside the urn seems to have a gelatanious form could this latch on to the life it is shot out and produce another species of alien.

Just to clarify the urn gun theory in the trailer we see David pulling something out of the urn so could the thing inside be the ammunition. The thing inside the urn seems to have a gelatanious form could this latch on to the life it is shot out and produce another species of alien.

Sorry guy I mena t could it latch on to the lifeform it is shot at

I'm not entirely bought into this urn gun theory myself. I think the urn/ampules are in the temple around the head shrine thingy and the gun/seat/telescope is on the ship. It's not to say that the urns/ampules couldn't be loaded into the ship, loaded and fired, though, but I think they're kind of heavily prized and a bit ceremonial being arranged head shrine as such (like the things Egyptians used to put their organs in). I like a lot of the speculation that I've been reading here, but I think that R.S. is going to give us something more straight-forward, yet mind-blowing at the same time.

Using the "gun" (if it is a gun) of the SJ ship to shoot urns containing latching gunk at a life-form seems like shooting an ant with a gun. A bit overkill and implausible, do you not agree? If it is a gun, then it is shooting the urn at a planet and you've got a Star Trek "Genesis" type weapon/terra-former thingy going on. But shooting just one lifeform? I'm not quite sure about that.

It's where the pilot sits.

Please refrain from creating new threads on subject matter such as this for which as was clearly stated yesterday there already over 4 pages and 200 threads. We cannot do this...we cannot make new threads about the Jockey in particular without first doing a search on the word "JOCKEY". This has been explained yet for some reason continues to be done over an over an over and over and over again. This exact topic has been discussed several dozen times already here. There were plenty of other threads that could have been reopened rather than creating a new one. Please.

"So I wonder if this has something to do with why the 'Spacejockey' gets 'strapped into' the 'seat'?..." Indeed and you need to ask, if teh Humans can survive in that Bridge/Star Map with out their helmets but they cant when they leave the Temple Complex. Then that would explain why the Space Jockey needs a Helmet.... If you got the window on the top of the Derelict that opens up while it is in space then one of two things will happen. The air inside would not be breathable and you would be sucked out into the vaccum of space. Hence Helmet and hence being strapped in, attached to the chair. That makes sence, so if that makes sence then why would they need to open such a window above the Chair/Cannon/Scope if its just a Scope? How does this Scope work as the 15 holes/silo looking things on the end do not look like they are see through? Thats why i think the Weapon/Cannon theory holds more weight. Ridley said maybe its a Bomber, but then when we think of Bombers we think of the bottom opens up and drops its cargo. But looking at ships, remember the days of the Cannon, or even modern War Ships that fire artillery at their targets.... They do not fire directly, they fire via co-ordinants and the Weapons Ammo is fired upwards and then drops down on its target like a Mortar. Also i think this goes in line with when Giger described the Cannon as a Penis.

@ BigDave - Yup, everything you've said there is exactly what I've always thought right from the beginning about the 'seat' contraption/'suited' controller. There's only one slight difference to everything you covered that I think might happen...and that's the possibility that it doesn't necessarily fire the 'urn ammo' from space, but rather from a closer position to a planet's surface from WITHIN it's atmosphere. That's if it already HAS an atmosphere to begin with that is... On the other hand, perhaps the material the urns are made of are capable of resisting 'burning up' on entering an existing atmosphere, and can survive the entry to release their contents on impacting the surface...and can indeed be fired from a greater distance away from the planet, after all. Either way, if this whole concept is generally correct, I think this would make for a terrific sequence in the movie if we see this actually being shown!

@ [b]BigDave -[/b] Yup, everything you've covered there is what I've always thought (and hoped) would be the case to explain the workings of the 'seat' contraption/'suited' controller, ever since Ridley first mooted his involvement and hints for this movie. The only thing I'm more inclined to believe though, is that the 'urn gun' doesn't get fired from space, but is used when the 'derelict' is closer to the surface of a planet, WITHIN it's atmosphere. That's if there actually IS an atmosphere to begin with, of course... But I guess the material that the urns are made of could be resistant to 'burning up' when entering an atmosphere, before releasing their contents on impacting the surface...so they may just end up being fired from a greater distance away from outside an atmosphere, after all. Either way, if this whole concept is generally correct, then I reckon this would make for some terrific visuals if it's actually shown doing this at some point in the movie!