New trailer - new direction

I dont see really that remake thing ...of course are humans in contact with lethal xenos lifeforms but ...the parallel finish here ... while Alien was an uber cat and mouse game here the story develop itself on many levels . Dont forget that they share the same background . And to me Vickers is absolutely not an android ...too panicked later in the movie .

Hmmmmm. Um. No. Ridley Scott and Damon Lindelof have both stated, quite emphatically, that this takes place in the same universe as Alien did, 30 years earlier to that, and that the ending would not lead into the original. I'm more and more believing that, much as I always wanted to see how the Space Jockey ended up where he did with that hole in his chest. Weyland clearly knew there was something they wanted in that particular star system, so they redirected their next ship headed that direction to check it out and bring back a specimen. They knew what they wanted was there, and would go to any length to get it, even if it meant sacrificing 7 innocent(ish) lives in the process.

but Cypher the nostromo cant be the "next" ship ..since the very same nostromo should have passed from the same route some months before and that many years after Prometheus . If we learn something from Alien is that the company MAYBE know something regarding the signal but surely know very little about the nature of the threat .

I had thought about that theory too. Not so much a remake, but what the studios call a 'reboot" these days to get rid of the negative stigma of remaking your beloved films. New creature design but same principal story. Especially since they are rehashing so much stuff from the original alien script, storyboards and whatnot. Everything they wanted to do in '79 but couldn't because of budget and time restrictions

[quote]If we learn something from Alien is that the company MAYBE know something regarding the signal but surely know very little about the nature of the threat .[/quote] To me thats the key point. Whatever happens in Prometheus has to be self contained. Only a small amount of knowledge can get back to the company... MAYBE.... And i still think that the paralels between Alien and Prometheus are huge.... The biggest difference being that in the second film the SJ is dead. In prometheus he is ALIVE! So as Cypher above says, we get to find out HOW he dies!

And what would the point be in a "remake"? I think the whole point is that Ridley Scott didn't want to return to this unless he could do something completely new. However, as @Frantz points out, within that context and within this genre, parallels in the nature of events are unavoidable, maybe, even, necessary - possibly, even, for all we know [i]deliberate[/i] - but that fact alone is inconclusive of the new film being a "remake". Your principle suggestion seems off target - and it is already understood that this planet is not LV426.

[quote]Your principle suggestion seems off target - and it is already understood that this planet is not LV426.[/quote] Its only called LV426 in Aliens. In the first film its Archeon. And ive always assumed that Sir R has completely ignored all subsequent films after his first one?

The trailer during the period of round 2:04 - 2:07, for me, I think this was the----- HIstory record video------It showed that what happen to the SJ at that moments, for examples, why they ran so hurry, what weree they doing..... To let the crews knew about the true .

But @Frantz, would it have taken the same route home that it did to Thedus? *I think that's where the Nostromo started, but I might be wrong there* But you do make a good point there. They knew *something* they wanted was there, and you're right, by that time all the mission data regarding the Prometheus may have been extremely well hidden from everyone that wasn't supposed to have access to it. Someone knew something, that much is obvious. As to what exactly they knew, I don't know if we will ever know. Know what I mean?......... :-P

[quote]But @Frantz, would it have taken the same route home that it did to Thedus? *I think that's where the Nostromo started, but I might be wrong there* But you do make a good point there. They knew *something* they wanted was there, and you're right, by that time all the mission data regarding the Prometheus may have been extremely well hidden from everyone that wasn't supposed to have access to it. Someone knew something, that much is obvious. As to what exactly they knew, I don't know if we will ever know. Know what I mean?......... :-P[/quote] wink wink... ;)

@lucid What do you mean? He is not returning to that branch of the story, no - but he acknowledges Aliens. [Edited for "@". This wasn't for you, @Frantz]

Yup ...my point is ...the crew of the nostromo was from earth ...the ship too ( the nostromo did fly to Thedus to retrive the cargo ) . Lambert's screen clearly say that they are on the path when they are awaken and the computer ( the company ) ask them to reroute to go to acheron . If that was so important they should have rerouted them in the first trip ( Earth - > Thedus ) ...why they wait the return when they have also the weight of the cargo ? ( and so they put at risks all that tons of important ore ?? ) Also the nostromo trip happen MANY years after the "prometheus" facts ...they could have arranged something more professional if that "thing" was so important to even risk 7 people and a valuable cargo . Our ONLY hint that the company did know something is the substitution of the science officer with Ash .... the special order can be issued LATER when the company did receive the alien trasmission too . MAybe Ash was there just by chance ? They were just trying Ash 9 ??

I have gotten it from an EXTREMELY reliable source that in Alien this is what happened in regard to "the signal", "the Nostromo" and the replaced science-officer Mr. Android Ash. 1. It was "the company", not the Nostromo that first picked up "the signal" 2. The Nostromo with relatively inexperienced/dysfunctional crew (Ripley was on the only "wild card") was the closest in the area (relatively speaking) 3. The Nostromo had stopped by Thedus giving "the company" the opportunity to swap out the science office on board with someone (something in this case) that would protect the bio-weapon specimen at all cost ("all other priorities rescinded; crew expendable") 4. When the Nostromo gets close to where "the company" has triangulated "the signal", it tells "mother" to wake-up the crew and put on this charade that "the signal" was just detected therefore in their contract they have to "investigate it"....when all along this is/was just a company set-up many months in the oven. The ever-so-premeditated fashion of this offense/crime should make any reasonable person sick to their stomach. Note: The above IS NOT speculation. It IS what the writer(s) intended, but due to time constraints could not "spoon-feed" us in original 1979 Alien movie.

@abordoli ?.. Most of this is just what's in the film?

@allinamberclad, abordoli's right, in fact the Alien novel states that the signal was in fact deciphered by the Company and was "frighteningly specific" in regards to what the Space Jockey had seen before he died. And was indeed a warning to anyone landing on that planetoid.

The new trailer clearly screams "HORROR FILM", just like Alien, but on steroids! Weyland was thee one who wanted to gain Alien knowledge and technology. In Alien, that same directive remained as a standing order, despite routine legitimate missions. In the event anyone runs across an alien signal, all else is expendable. Prometheus is a classic horror film of epic proportions that unavoidably gives rise to the Alien universe we all know and love. Prometheus will enlarge the backstory considerably, thus allowing for a wide range of future film possibilities!

@allinamberclad, EXACTLY! Most of it IS in the film! I just wanted to clarify since what was being discussed here is a common topic here on the site and when I see this material being discussed in a questioning like manner (as Frantz was doing; which is OK; this is the place to discuss such things), I find it best to state what is/was probably not obvious to the "casual viewer".

I really wish they had included that part of Ash's final dialogue in the movie.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure that it wasn't Acheron OR LV-426 until Aliens. It was an un-named planetoid when the Nostromo landed on it. I think. I'm gonna go check that............

@Cypher, I believe you are correct. It was un-named in Alien. "Behind the scenes LV-426 was first introduced in the 1979 film Alien, though it is not named and is simply referred to as a "planetoid" or "ball". In the 1986 sequel Aliens, LV-426 is named. In the latter's novelization, LV-426 is the name given to Ellen Ripley shortly before Weyland-Yutani executive Van Leuwen informs Ripley that the planet has since been renamed as Acheron. This is never spoken of in the movie, and the planet remains known as LV-426. This precedent is consistent in the novels, however. In the novelization of Alien 3, "Acheron" is repeatedly misspelled as "Archeron". LV-426 is mentioned in the musings of Dr Mason Wren in the novelization of the 1997 film Alien Resurrection, in which the researcher reflects that the loss of the Derelict is a great setback. Unlike earlier novels, the planet is once more referred to as "LV-426". " [url=http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Acheron_(LV-426)]Source[/url]

[quote]Oh, and I'm pretty sure that it wasn't Acheron OR LV-426 until Aliens. It was an un-named planetoid when the Nostromo landed on it. I think. I'm gonna go check that............[/quote] It comes up as Archeon on one of the nav screens in the directors cut... And NOT LV-426.... I have never noticed it before until i rewatched it last weekend...

@Cypher I didn't say he wasn't right? @abordoli I didn't say you weren't right? I was just pointing out that what you presented as if it were revelatory, from an, "EXTREMELY reliable source", seemed only to be what happened in the film that everyone saw. I was also struggling to think why you would think anyone would think it was speculation, when that was what we witnessed taking place? I couldn't quite see what your point or intention was - so thanks for explaining it...

I'll have to check that out tonight. Thanks.

@allinamberclad, No worries. This is just discussion. The reason I included that "this comes from an extremely reliable source; this is not speculation" was a bit overkill on my part (putting the nail in the coffin so to speak) so that we can continue the topic discussion and not go off into a tangent where the things Frantz was questioning have led into lengthy (and needless) debates before. Also, I don't care if I'm "right" or "wrong" on a sci-fi movie discussion forum. It's all about having fun discussing the topics related to the movie(s) that brought us here in the first place. I will often post stuff that is contrary to logic and what I/the-community actually knows/feels to be "right" just to make discussions a bit more interesting, but typically only concerning Prometheus. As far as the 33 year-old Alien movie is concerned, however, I will admit I'm a bit of a rigid "Alien-phobe" having read/seen a lot of novels/documentaries, etc. I, however, am not a "know-it-all" and I do research and query the vast body of knowledge out there more often than not.

Yeah sorry I wasn't arguing or anything, I'm up kinda late here so should start seeing pink elephants anytime now............ Mis-reading stuff is my first hint.......... I should go to bed....... Nah :-P

this is disconforting. Why in the hell Weyland Corp would send a bunch of untrained workers to confront one of the biggest findings of all time? Because, if Weyland had the time to send Ash to replace the science officer of Nostromo (and this is curious, why would freighters need science officers?), they would have the time to send in a proper expedition. Say, something better prepared than Prometheus itself. I love the Alien universe, but it is very problematic...

Oh yes I see what I did there. Sorry @allinamberclad I read that wrong. My bad.

Yeah, I'm up a bit too early without sleeping for too long so I'm definitely running my mouth without thinking, perhaps. I'm just so damn excited about this movie. I should have my opening night 3D IMAX tickets before the weekend for 6 people. Not sure yet whether or not to do two showings. The thing that sucks is that they're gonna make me leave and go to the back of the line for the second showing so I'll lose my "perfect seat". Then again, there are no bad seats in an IMAX theatre (although I sure don't want to test that theory out for the dough I'll be shelling out).

I think is a bit of a fact ( my opinion huh ) that the company didnt know that much about the whole deal ..its clear in Alien and even more in Aliens ( where Burke act only of his own initiative and based on Ripley's story ) . to testify that there are the 30 years between prometheus and Alien and the 57 between alien and aliens .

In truth, everything was being made up as they went along so your argument has merit, Frantz.

@ Frantz, Last week in the middle of the day and from a source who cannot reveal his/herself "For Obvious reasons" and whom has been reading all of the comments here on this forum...I received a message and it said the following... Again, This is from "someone" who is reading the forum, but can't comment for obvious reasons. "And I noticed another thing [in the post] about there being three AP stations on LV-426. Cameron originally scripted dialogue of there being “thirty or so” – not three." "1. Why the USCSS Nostromo was chosen for the mission to carry out Special Order 937. A- It was the next ship conveniently going near that area of space." "2. The why and how of the Nostromo's science officer being replaced with Ash while the vessel is docked at Thedus. A- The Company intercepted and interpreted the Jockey transmission, organised the Nostromo to get re-routed and rotated off the science officer in order to ensure a specimen of whatever they might find was returned." The revelation in #2 is that the Company, not the Nostromo, first picked up the signal from the derelict. It then made sure Ash replaced their science officer at Thedus so as to protect anything that was gathered at the site of the distress signal. The Nostromo was the closest asset (their bad luck). ------------------ Ridley then held his french press interview I think it was in which his direct statements pretty much confirmed all of this. Yesterday or the day after the claimed the big connection and secret between connecting Alien to Prometheus is..."The Company" and this is part of the 8 minute reveal/tie in at the end of the film.

I think we are seeing a reinvention of a Alien Organism and Cycle, and a movie that can explore Weyland in more depth than the other Movies which was mainly gung ho Xenos. I dont think he is trying to remake the Xeno, as i dont think he wants to damage the Alien Franchise credibility. Thus i think he will explain the events of Alien well of LV426 the Derelict, Dead Jockey and Eggs. But maybe it wont be a totally in depth explanation but just enough so that we have closure on some of the unanswered questions regarding it. As far as the Nostramo in Alien and also the events of Aliens and then no mention of LV 223 in those movies. I think maybe something would have happend to LV223 between the events of this movie and Alien. Will Ridley explain what happens to LV223 between Prometheus and Alien, in this movie or leave that to be another unanswered question that he can answer in a sequel.

@Cypher and everyone else regarding Alien and Prometheus leading directly to it. Ridley did say that the last 8 mins of the movie would explain the events of Alien well it would explain the link, so that would cover most or all of the following. (as others are answered in this movie). The Why/How/When too 1) The Derelict landed on LV426 2) The Cargo of Eggs was on that ship. 3) The Space Jockey Died. 4) The Becon was set off. Ridley said its not a direct prequel, he then said the events will explain Alien in 8 mins of the movie. To me this makes me think that the events of this movie, the interaction with the Organisms, the Space Jockeys, Shaws Baby and the Derelict will not be connected to Alien in any way whats so ever. This would explain why we wont see Xeno in this movie, and why the Derelict in Alien has no Sarcophagus. This movie seems to show a lot of Dead Jockeys, Holograms of the Jockeys interacting with something and then running for their lives. I would assume that either. 1) The Jockeys where nearlly killed off by the Xeno, and they took the remainder of the Xeno Eggs to a safe place (well that was the plan). 2) The Jockeys was at War with other Jockeys and the Derelict in Alien was either setting off from LV223 to go somewhere to unleash its Bio Weapon or indeed it was on its way to LV223 to unleash it on those Jockeys. 3) The Jockeys was at War with some other race on another world.

The Jockeys WAS not at Wars...WAS THEY, you waskily wabbit! Watch the was's Big dave:O) Prometheus is a HORROR FILM plain and simple...Alien on steroids if you will. Weyland always has been/will be interested in stealing fire aka Alien knowledge and technology. Prometheus is just a much bigger Alien Universe to explore...but it's still very much in the same tradition.

holo of space jockey running down corridor looks like e its running from something pacing along behind it.....

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