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Which way does the Derelict/Juggernaut fly?

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C0nst2nt1n3

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 5:40 AM
Hi all. I've been a frequent visitor to this site but have never taken part till now. So for my first topic I like to see what people think about this. Ever since I saw the first Alien movie I was always under the impression that the two prongs of the derelict on LV426 were the back of the ship and that the round cockpit was the bridge on the front. I don't know what it was that convinced me of that but it was just the impression I got from seeing it sitting on the surface and I have accepted that for many years. It's only recently that I've entertained the thought that it flies with the prongs facing forward like a Cylon fighter from Battlestar Galactica (remake) after reading some comments and seeing a Youtube animation that someone made of it flying this way. However, this just doesn't feel right to me IMO and from the few seconds of it flying in the trailers, I think my feeling that the prongs are the back of the ship may be right. But then again, I could still be wrong as I had always thought that the ship had crashed on LV426 and Ridley has recently stated that it landed there so I was wrong about that.
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Xenophobe

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 5:46 AM
I think it does fly with the prong things pointing forward, but seeing as a spaceship flies in space, there would be no aerodynamic disadvantage whatever the shape the ship is :)

Cypher

Co-AdminMemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 5:55 AM
Don't feel bad, I thought it flew prongs backward for many many years too :-P but now that these trailers are out we know those types of ships, if indeed this isn't the Derelict from Alien, fly with the hammerhead facing forward. I still hope it is, like, the Company just re-designates LV-223 to LV426 to cover their tracks if any evidence is ever found at all of their having been there previously. Then years later, they divert a tug to check out the wreckage of what happened in their first failed attempt, no way would the tug crew find any evidence, or suspect if they slip an android on the crew to gather them a specimen.................... Just change the designation to avoid getting caught........
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Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 6:18 AM
I've seen a still where it look as though the 'Juggernaught' for want of a better word is being pursued by Janek presumably and you can see the alien ship far-off in the top right hand porshion of the sky through the view-port and the 'Hammerhead/Sail-Fin' are both looking like they are sweeping back in a U-shapes fashion giving weight to the idea that I have thought of recently that in the Alien SJ's own way this is their version perhaps of warp-drive naccels. Or maybe not at a warp-drive capacity whislt still inside and under the influence of a planetary gravity-well but this may be 'Its' version of say, impulse drive or impule engines. maybe. And I started to think that if the ship and the SJ's technology is all bio-mechanical almost intergrated, cybernetic cross-over type stuff then maybe in some way the 'Juggernaught' - in using those apparant three 'portholes' I guess - 'breathes' its propulsion out of it and throughout the ship. Maybe the 'Hammerhead' is like the brains motorfunctions and the 'Sail-Fin' part is it's hand/eye co-ordinative part where the middle section is its 'central nervous system' as an analogy. You have to think of the 'Juggernaught' as a kind of organism in its own right like a jelly fish or a Manta Ray or Star Fish even.

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 6:20 AM
Weird, I know!

Kronik

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 6:21 AM
When Prometheus crashes into the Juggernaut it slams into the area where the 3 entrance ports are (on the INSIDE of the crescent). Logically, as Prometheus has to catch up with the Juggernaut from behind, that means the two tails are at the back, not facing forward. IMHO!

C0nst2nt1n3

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 6:46 AM
@ Cypher - You may still be right with your initial feeling that if flies with prongs facing backwards. As Kronik pointed out (thanks for reminding me btw), some shots in the trailer show Prometheus chasing after the Juggernaught and heading towards the "prongy" end of the ship and then you see her crashing into the 3 entrance ports. I have always thought of the prongs as Star Trek like nacels too - because they are the engines at the back of the ship. But it is interesting to see that after 30 years we still aren't sure which way this ship flies lol.

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 6:57 AM
And who's to say that the Prometheus ship is just about the right size to squeeze through the gap of the 'prongs' and inevitably crash as it does? Also, it looks as though the SJ ship for want of a better word 'levitates' up wards while keeping the curvature of the U-shape parallel to the planetoid below, for navigational purposes I guess? And so the Prometheus can, in effect, sneak up behind and uder the 'Juggernaught' at a diagonal angle in a 'Crazy Ivan' manuever if any of you as I sure some of have watched The Hunt For Red October with submarines sneaking around behind one-another. Maybe Janek does this with the Prometheus, sneaking up to the 'Juggernaught' at a diagonal say 45 degree angle and levels it out at the final moments before steaming full ahead and raming it from behind. Sounds very sexual, I know!

arnis

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 7:51 AM
It attaches to the hoof of a giant alien horse.

Syphonox

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 8:30 AM
To start my day off in a smart-a$$ fashion, I'm going to answer your original question. 1) By definition, a derelict can't fly...so the derelict doesn't fly any which way. Seriously now, 2) The "Juggernaut"...hmm. Well, how does it generate power? How does it manipulate direction? By human physics, it doesn't seem like it should fly at all. Judging by what we have seen, I would go out on a limb and say it can fly any way it sees fit, and doesn't have a "front" or "back" as we understand it should based on our technology/principles.

Syphonox

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 8:31 AM
I like where you're going with that Arnis. But...now the question is, who rides the horse??

NoXWord

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 8:36 AM
What you say makes sense, Syphonox, and it's more intriguing than it having a specific orientation. I would love to see it move without any preferential orientation, but rather than human physics I would say "by human standards" as the laws of physics are the same in all the known universe. Who knows what the advanced Engineers find more efficient according to their standards. Anyway, in the trailer we can see it moving with its prongs backwards. Might be temporary, might be not.
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skyguy1054

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 8:38 AM
@ Syphonox "It must be something we haven't seen."

Guest

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 8:39 AM
I would like to believe as is stated by David in one of the trailers "An advanced race". This from someone that is state-of-the -art and has arrived on a State-of-the-art spacevessel. So my theory is this... ...the "Derelict" in Alien left no crash-path as far as we saw or heard... I think if FTL is the highest of human achievement in space travel then the Engineer/Jockey species is so far ahead of that and maybe that just lift up vertically (or whichever way), (so the ship in Alien may have just"arrived there after "Folding space" equaling no cash damage. They were just "folding" space to get somewhere else but couldn't achieve it. I also think this theory gives credence to the purpose of the star-map, the chair and the assumption that the one in that chair is a pilot (plus the console). All that flying about and "hyper sleep/Stasis just seems not very advanced in the terms of a travel and seems like a step backwards. On the principal of "folding" space the ship would only need to fly to get above a planet and the "stasis" pods in the Juggernaut (jockeynaut) might be a way of preserving yourself under those stresses. So maybe it doesn't matter which way round it flies (Since the original I always assumed it went prongs forward) remember in space there is no friction to be made...

Syphonox

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 8:50 AM
@skyguy - Yes! @NoX - Good point, thanks for clarifying what I was getting at.

red hood

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 9:08 AM
I brought this up awhile back, but did not get much replies. Remember how our space shuttle blew up entering the Earths atmosphere due to the slightest error. The Shuttle is way more Aerodynamic than the Jug. With what we've seen the Jug fly's arms up or to the front, which is not the most aerodynamic choice for this shape. it would make much more since to fly it with arms back while entering atmospheres. I sure the Earths atmosphere is not the worst to enter in the universe, but it might be. So flying arms forward entering hostel atmosphere is not a wise choice. one bad move and there goes a arm ------

arnis

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 9:08 AM
A giant Smurf rides the giant alien horse.

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 9:10 AM
Well, it could even 'fly' in the vertical position even with the 'Sail-Fin' at the 'top-end' if you will and the 'Hammerhead' down at the 'bottom end'... Or even vice-versa. It could even be in an upside down position for all we know. How do we not know that the SJ seat is in actual fact on some sort of omni-directional benzel system as is the case with The Machine in Contact and the Gravity Drive inside th Exent Horizions' central propulsion core. Much like a gyro-sphere that astronaughts have to endure during their riggorous training program for the now 'Derilict' Space Shuttle program. For all we know the craft could have belly-flopped into its 'found position' in the events of Alien. The SJ seat and workings could have flipped right-side-up in the event that the ship would want to perform its version of a 'roll manuever'. So that then raises a question, what is there concept, or is there a concept of up and down in the SJ's perception of space faring utilitarianism? And what would in fact be underneath his chair? I mean directly, not further down into the egg silo... And 'above' him too.. And to both 'sides'...

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 9:15 AM
Sorry, spelling errors: 'EVENT' HORIZON and 'ATRONAUT'... There may be more that I did but those two stood-out like a sore thumb!

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 9:17 AM
'ASTRONAUT' !!! Jeez!!! I'm all thumbs!!!! lol!

spacekid890

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 9:42 AM
i always envisioned it spinning like a boomerang with the jockeys chair staying stationary. my other idea was that it didnt stay in a U shape that just how it crashed. I always liked the idea it was like a sea snake slithering and twisting its way in space with the hammer head at the front. i dont think it will be like this judging by the trailers.

artyoh

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 9:47 AM
I always assumed it flew with the arms facing towards the rear, but I'm not sure why, because they're so assymetrical.

C0nst2nt1n3

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 8:04 PM
I take your point Syphonox. For all we know it probably rotates - like when you play a game of Horseshoes lol. It still seems strange that it would fly with the prongs facing forward. Surely the prongs would get in the way and act as a blind spot for the cockpit and could cause them to end up crashing into planets... Oh, wait.

C0nst2nt1n3

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 8:24 PM
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