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**SPOILERS INSIDE** Guillermo Del Toro Says 'Prometheus' Has Killed 'At The Moun

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GreatBoosUp

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 8:48 AM
Guillermo Del Toro Says 'Prometheus' Has Killed 'At The Mountains Of Madness' Because They Both Have Same Final Twist [url=http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/guillermo-del-toro-says-prometheus-has-killed-at-the-mountains-of-madness-because-they-both-have-same-final-twist-20120507]Sorry, Link to the Article is Here[/url]
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John D.

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 8:51 AM
The Prometheus crew gets chased by a Shoggoth at the end? ?????? Or is the last line of [i]Prometheus[/i] going to be [b]"Tekeli-li! Tekeli-li!!!"[/b] Can't imagine what in the Sam Hill he's talking about, to be honest.

John D.

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 9:07 AM
And for that matter, how does he even [i]know[/i] how Prometheus ends??? I read the comments he made, and they seem to all be based on assumptions.

Cinefan

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 9:07 AM
So the last 7 min. tie into Alien as well?

Otto

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 9:08 AM
Mi no comprendo...

arnis

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 9:10 AM
Que?

Windood

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 9:22 AM
thhey'll never make a decent Cthulhu mythos movie, Alien is as close as anyone has come, and only Giger and RS could probably pull off a Cthulhu film anyway. They've had nearly a hundred years to make one, no sense bleating about whatever large motifs are in Prometheus (and i'm a huge Lovecraft fan).

Syphonox

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 9:31 AM
Yeah I don't get this either. A lot of movies have the same point...it's how you present it. Besides, the general story should be a lot different.

Vril

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 9:34 AM
Yeah.Tom Cruise was originally cast,but then the whole thing went tits up. I Love Lovecraft,brillant stuff.

Syphonox

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 9:38 AM
I just wanted to add something here. Somewhere on this forum someone mentioned Lovecraft and I happened to see the post. I looked it up, and am currently almost done reading "At The Mountains of Madness". Great read so far! I can't believe I went this long and never heard of him before. Thanks to this forum, I have been exposed to something new and awesome. So thanks! To piggyback off of Winwood...why hasn't anyone attempted a direct movie translation of Lovecraft's stories?

Xenotron

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 9:39 AM
Link or it didn't happen.

GreatBoosUp

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 9:46 AM
[url=http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/guillermo-del-toro-says-prometheus-has-killed-at-the-mountains-of-madness-because-they-both-have-same-final-twist-20120507]Sorry, I left it out by accident[/url]

Jason8

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 9:47 AM
There have been several good movies made of Lovecraft stories. "Call of Cthulhu" would be very hard to do but maybe it could now be done using a lot of CGI. I have the video game "Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth" It is well done IMO.

Windood

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 9:50 AM
There have been many attempts, Re-Animator is one, Event Horizon, the Thing, Alien are all influenced in some way, but as most of what Lovecraft wrote about was about impossible geometries, insane 'couplings and rites' (bum-fun) I think Hollywood craps itself when it realises its greenlighted something Lovecraftian, Some fans made a B&W film that some people like, its set in the right time period etc. Its something that I think someone will get around to one day, tbh I think to do Lovecraft right probably would need Giger and some amazing CGI. if you've only read at the Mountains of madness youre in for a treat with Lovecraft. there was also an olie made called (something like) the case of charles dexter ward. It strays from the book a lot but then all the films inspired by Lovecraft do. never read a better horror writer. Just remembered, i read Neonomicon (a comic book - written by Alan Moore) last week, that was the freakiest scariest thing ive read since lovecraft, and its an inspired homage to the guy, well worth buying. And not left where kids will ever see it.

blake_84

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 10:01 AM
"Professor Dyer (Shaw) concludes that the Elder Things (Jockeys) and their civilization were eventually destroyed by the Shoggoths (Aliens) they created and that this entity has sustained itself on the enormous penguins (Jockeys) since eons past. He begs the planners of the next proposed Antarctic expedition to stay away from things that should not be loosed on this Earth."

John D.

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 11:02 AM
[b]SPOILER ALERT.[/b] Ok, here’s what I think Del Toro means. *(Caution: if you haven’t read “At the Mountains of Madness,” what I’m about to write WILL spoil the ending, so you might want to skip the rest of this post – because it may ALSO be giving us a clue to the ending of “Prometheus.”) “At the Mountains of Madness” tells the story of a scientific expedition to Antarctica which discovers the ruins of an ancient, forgotten city which had been populated by strange, star-headed “crinoid” aliens who had “filtered down from the stars when the world was young.” As the story progresses, the scientists discover that some of the aliens are in fact still alive, having been frozen in a sort of suspended animation for millennia but now accidentally awakened by the scientific expedition. The revived aliens kill the scientists in the ‘forward’ encampment and then retreat to their ancient, ruined city. Later in the story, as two of the surviving scientists are exploring the ancient ruined city, they discover hieroglyphs which tell the tale of the aliens’ history and science. The hieroglyphs also talk about how the aliens created a race of slave-labor creatures called “Shoggoths” - huge, mindless (although later they do become intelligent), amorphous blobs of protoplasm which look like living tar and which can take different forms – and how the shoggoths eventually rebelled against their slavemasters, and things got ugly. When the aliens finally abandoned their dying city, they left the shoggoths behind. The scientists eventually find the fresh corpses of the aliens which had been revived. They’re now very dead, having been decapitated by some other entity within the ancient city. At the end of “At the Mountains of Madness,” the two surviving human protagonists hear a strange piping sound in the ruins which sounds like the cry “Tekeli-Li!” Realizing that they are not alone, they start running for their lives down a tunnel, trying to escape from the ruins, when one of them turns to look behind him and sees a: [b]“nightmare, plastic column of fetid black iridescence, oozed tightly onward through its fifteen-foot sinus, gathering unholy speed and driving before it a spiral, re-thickening cloud of pallid abyss vapor. It was a terrible, indescribable thing vaster than any subway train a shapeless congerie of protoplasmic bubbles, faintly self-luminous, and with myriads of temporary eyes forming and unforming as pustules of greenish light all over the tunnel-filling front that bore down on us, crushing the frantic penguins and slithering over the glistening floor that it and its kind had swept so evilly free of all litter. Still came that eldritch, mocking cry: 'Tekeli-li! Tekeli-li!'"[/b] As it turns out, although the creators (the aliens) are gone, their biological invention (the Shoggoths) are still alive, even after eons. I imagine what Del Toro is saying is that the end of “Prometheus” will surprise the audience with the survival of the nastiest of the nasties (something that, someday in the future, will eventually become the xenomorph as we know it) and that perhaps it will be depicted as being ultimately responsible for the extinction of the space jockey’s race. (END SPOILERS) Oh and for the record – there are at least TWO very good film adaptations of H.P. Lovecraft that are worth watching – “The Call of Cthulhu” (done in the style of a 1920’s silent film!) and “The Whisperer in Darkness.” Both are available on DVD from the H.P. Lovecraft Historical Society’ website. I’ve seen them both, they’re very faithful to Lovecraft and a lot of fun.

takka_takka_takka

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 11:33 AM
Del Toro doesn't know any more about Prometheus than we do so he's just speculating. The biggest barrier to that project is the budget and the rating. I really don't think Prometheus precludes an ATMOM movie, though. Del Toro just needs to rethink HOW he wants to make this movie. There is no reason it has to cost so much to produce. For an excellent example of how to do Lovecraft right, see The Whisperer in Darkness. It is a pitch perfect adaptation of the source material and done on a shoestring.

dallas!dallas!

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 12:49 PM
So what? Alien ripped off a bunch of flicks, it is still its own piece. I'm sure Prometheus is ripping off a bunch more of Lovecraft and others. It's what Scott does with it! Del Toro is good but should pee or get off the pot. On to LV-224463 or wherever!

whiskuz

MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 2:57 PM
@takka What makes you think he knows only as much as we do? Do you really think a Hollywood insider like him has 0 chance of finding out more about a movie's story/plot than geeks in a forum? I doubt it. If what he is saying is true, than I can understand why he doesn't want to make the film anymore and "how" he makes doesn't matter at all.

Tromatizer

MemberOvomorphMay-08-2012 6:19 PM
I am steaming mad at the moment. I just spent a half hour writing a response explaining why Del Toro's logic is extremely flawed and when I went to post it, was told by the site that I was not logged in (even though I logged in prior to viewing the board). This is the third time something like this has happened on this site, making me loose everything I've written. Sorry guys, I'm not rewriting my epic response. This site really needs to not log you out if you are browsing or typing too long...

Spartacus

MemberOvomorphMay-08-2012 6:41 PM
OK HEAR ME OUT ON THIS, CAUSE I SOOO FEEL YOUR PAIN...There is a BIG Bug that the Bug Hunter has not been able to exterminate, YET...and to prevent a tragedy such as the one you just experienced the best ting to do is do NOT hit reply to post after you make yours...but rather copy the post first...then hit that button, this way if it reals it's ugly head you have it covered...MY SINCERE apology for the loss, "BugHunter" is aware of the problem and continuing to look for a proper permanent solution.

craigamore

MemberOvomorphMay-08-2012 6:47 PM
Tromatizer....I also had that issue until I started opening multiple windows and used those to ensure I wasn't logged in before hitting reply.....trust me itr works....

abordoli

MemberOvomorphMay-08-2012 6:56 PM
Ah, yes....BH's punishment to shoe away long-winded-posters. ; ) j/k Not only does this apply to long posts, but long Private Messages as well. Always COPY before hitting the "Send/Add Reply" button. Another thing that helps (this is not pointed at anyone here, just something I've notice in general): Avoid long-winded posts. Hold back some ideas as if you were actually having a conversation. That is why you are seeing "Join the Conversation/Discussion" around here. When you throw out 2 screens full of text (hopefully with paragraph breaks to avoid the "wall-of-text") it would be like going to a party, turning off the music, standing in front of the mic for 15 minutes, and then leaving. Discuss-don't lecture. Besides, most members will not read long posts. Don't you want to be heard?
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