If there are three planetoids/moons in orbit around the gas giant 1. LV-426, 2.
2992 Views20 RepliesForum Topic

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else
MemberOvomorphMay-12-2012 2:09 PM
If there are three planetoids/moons in orbit around the gas giant 1. LV-426, 2. LV-223, what is the third as there definately is one?"
i would like to see the background story of both prometheus, Alien and Aliens as I would be curiours as to the thinking and intellectualizing those scenario's and concept threads... Any cooments as to the bridging of these because I see in a clip of Prometheus, the Gas Giant and two planetoids/ moons in the shot orbiting the primary but we know there was a third. Perhaps by this shot it can be explained that it just happened to be behind the Gas Giant primary when we see that holo-transparagram where David is staring at it.
20 Replies

David 1
MemberOvomorphMay-12-2012 2:19 PMnice question... don't have answers though
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else
MemberOvomorphMay-12-2012 2:22 PMThanks David 1 for not really helping me! heh! lol!

David 1
MemberOvomorphMay-12-2012 2:28 PMAwww.... my bad.
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else
MemberOvomorphMay-12-2012 2:32 PMHeh! No... Just kidding! lol! Good one! :-)

TheNextLV426
MemberOvomorphMay-12-2012 3:01 PMYou assume (as do many) that the planets are in the same system. There is only circumstantial evidence that they are.
It will be interesting to see.

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else
MemberOvomorphMay-12-2012 3:11 PMWell I only see what I see, in Alien the Nostromo does go into orbit around the Gas Giant (name unknown) for the purpose of this comment I will call it the LV system as Jupiter is the Jovian syatem and Saturn is the Saturnian system. There are three planetoids in orbit around the LV primary (Gas Giant) and they are plainly seen as beeing there, I just want clarification upon each of their designations from the minds of the creators (writers that is, not the GODS or anything like that! lol!) and so we know the order of their orbits, etc. Back story/information, etc. things like that. If you have any further info in your collections out there I would like to know more about this information here. Thanks.

TheNextLV426
MemberOvomorphMay-12-2012 3:35 PM@eating....
Sure I get the planet reference with the gas giant.
It could well be the same system or the planet could have rings like the planet from alien simply because the special effects team find ringed planets cool. Special effects teams seem to favor ringed gas gients for some reason, but I really have no idea.
RS did say that LV-223 is in orbit around zeta reticuli 2. In Alien the crew said they were just short of zeta reticuli 2 so they are close. That could be a fact easily over ignored to suit the story.
I'm eager to find out

TheNextLV426
MemberOvomorphMay-12-2012 3:43 PMI might have reversed my planet locations above, but you know what I mean

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else
MemberOvomorphMay-12-2012 3:50 PMSo Zeta II Reticuli is the "Star System" in question, the (Gas Gaint id the LV planetary system with each subsequent LV planetoid to foillow... So Zeta II Reticuli is the designation of the star system? The planetary 'LV' system or reference for both simultaneously?

TheNextLV426
MemberOvomorphMay-12-2012 5:22 PMI just double checked my facts. Alien they refer to being just short of zeta reticuli 2.
In an interview Scott said the move takes place around zeta reticuli. Of course it's entirely possible he just omitted to add the 2.
We are not privy to how the planets are named which is a shame because that would help a lot. The number could reflect the order of discovery or something else, what the LV means is anyone's guess.
zeta reticuli is a binary star system, a real one in fact. Many alien nuts (the kind have have been abducted for anal probe experiments and not the good folk on this board) claim a race of grey aliens live there.

jerryc
MemberOvomorphMay-12-2012 6:48 PMI believe LV stands for Location Vector, so it's not specific to that system or subsystem.

abordoli
MemberOvomorphMay-12-2012 6:56 PMIMO opinion, these are two different soloar systems untold light years apart (i.e. Alpha-Centauri is 17 light years from Sol (our system)).
LV-42X "could be one system"
-AND-
LV-22X "could be another system"
(X being the planet's position from the star)
We really won't know unless it is explained in the movie and perhaps RS drops LV-426 on the map as an "easter egg" for those that are SUPER observant.

azalard
MemberOvomorphMay-12-2012 7:54 PMIn a video interview of Ridley Scott that I saw recently, he confirms that the planetary system is in fact Zeta Reticuli. It is common knowledge that this is the same system from Alien and Aliens. As for the third "satellite," I am going to state the easiest answer, because some of the answers to the most perplexing mysteries are the simplest: the third satellite is behind the gas giant in the aforementioned image.
So...what planet are they landing on in Prometheus? I haven't a clue. How is LV-426 involved? I don't know. I guess we'll just have to wait and see! :-)

habidm
MemberOvomorphMay-12-2012 11:04 PM
I just copy pasted from aliens wiki ...........
"LV-426 (Acheron) is a satellite orbiting the ringed planet Calpamos in the binary star system Zeta Reticuli, 37 light-years from Sol.
It is notable for being home to a colony of Xenomorphs, one of the most dangerous parasitic lifeforms in our galaxy. However, they must rely on the chance visit of other alien species like humans or Space Jockeys. (now known as Ossians) No native species are found here. The Xenomorph eggs are located in a large room in or beneath a crashed Ossian derelict space vessel.
Characteristics of LV-426 (Acheron)Edit
Although this satellite is only 2,213 miles in diameter, the gravity of LV-426 (Acheron) is about .86 of Earth's, this hints at a very dense metal core, also from the way people are able to walk on its surface after terraforming for extended periods of time, it seems there is a slight magnetic field. There is a temperature difference (though only slight) which is enough to create the almost constant gales here. Calpamos and its 3 moons, are only just outside Zeta 2's habitable zone. LV-426 formed from a disc of gas and dust that orbited around Calpamos when this whole system was young, a lot of this material clumped together to form the 3 satellites of which LV-426 is the middle one. The inner moon is called Rosto, similar in size and composition to Europa that orbits our Jupiter. The outer moon is called Varda and is an innert lump of rock very much comparitable to Earth's moon. Varda barely has an atmosphere and there is no detectable water. The ring system surrounding Calpamos may have been formed from the collision of 2 smaller moons several million years ago, or most likely the residue left over from the original disc of dust and gas that never condensed together.
The atmosphere of LV 426, is described by Ash as 'almost primordial', and consists mostly of nitrogen, but also methane, carbon dioxide, ammonia and smaller amounts of other trace elements. The temperature is deep cold, well below the line, circa - 111 centigrade."

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else
MemberOvomorphMay-13-2012 3:41 AMfacinating insifhts here! Yes Azalard, I reached that very same conclusion somewhere earlier in this post. If it is in the same holographic image as David is looking at and we only see two worlds orbiting the primary one I thought as you have that if this is the same planetry system as visited in Alien then it would stand to logical reason that the third world is just behind the primary in that particular shot. Nice to know we both reason upon similar lines.
Good find habidm, lots of rally useful and informative information you have gathered there. Well done to you fro that. Its been a real eye opener for me. So LV-426's primary parent planet is called: Calpamos, interesting name, and its three moons are called Rosto, LV-426 and Varda - intriguing!
The NextLV426 thats really interesting what you bring to the table too as it makes you wonder is there two planetary systems in and around the Zeta Riticuli system? Perhaps Calpamos and its three moon orbit around one of the stars within the binary pair and the events we see playing out in Prometheus could be around another planetary system which orbits around the second of the Zeta Riticuli pair. Very, very interesting! Nice work to you all!

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else
MemberOvomorphMay-13-2012 3:42 AMThanks jerryC! I always wanted to know just what the "LV" in LV-426 actually stood for! Thanks for hopefully settling that minor mystery of min! heh! heh! lol! Good one!

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else
MemberOvomorphMay-13-2012 3:47 AMI was thinking too abordoli that perhaps there are two distinct 'locations' in and around both the binary pair of the Zeta Riticuli star system 1 and 2. And in some way, as maybe with the case for life in and throughout the universe, there is a kind of 'panspermia of technology' going on and being exchanged within and between planetary sytems here. Very interesting.

NoXWord
MemberOvomorphMay-13-2012 4:35 AMThe Aliens Wiki is just a huge repository of fan fiction, random ramblings and occasional drivel.
If the planets haven't been given names in the movie scripts, then it's fair game for anybody to call them what they want and put it on the alien wiki, along with all the other poor concepts I've seen there.
Rosto, Acheron and Varda...
I might as well sign up and change them to Bart, Lisa and Maggie, orbiting around planet Homer.
@azalard
although it would be fair enough to assume that the third satellite is hidden behind the gas giant in the image we see, we must consider that if this third satellite were actually there, its orbit would be visible just like the other two, and that's not the case.
Ridley Scott will eventually tell us how the Queen was born.
Right now we have the Deacon; coming soon the Mercury, the May and the Taylor.

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else
MemberOvomorphMay-13-2012 6:33 AMTrue also NoXWord, if the third planetoid/moon were there in that holographic that David is staring at and it was a representation of what I call the LV System (LV-426-its two sister moons and their parent-planet) then why can't we see it or why didn't the producers make it so when you see the holograpiic 'dissappear' behind the parent-planet its circular shape becomes dotted lines or broken up lines - indicating that it has passed 'behind' the Gas Giant 'Parent'. It could be that they just didn't follow that method of thinking whilst making this movie, the other is the third 'moon' holograph is simply out of shot near and around Davids head for what ever reason that would be. Or as I have said before and a few others have also, the third moon is simply behind the Parent-Planet and thus out of shot and so out of mind. Yet it could be the overidding possibility that it is a completely different system altogether yet some direct correlation with the Zeta Reticuli Star System.

Indy John
MemberOvomorphJan-05-2013 11:40 PM.. the events we see playing out in Prometheus could be around another planetary system which orbits around the second of the Zeta Riticuli pair.."
I like the wording of 'events playing out in Prometheus' because that is what we are observing. Trying to explain the origins of human life to humans.
I would also suggest that the worlds the humans know/see in our movie are also planned events playing out to bring humans up to speed. When the real Universal forces start vying for power/contol responsibily for the known world for some reason the humans must choose who to support.
Also for some reason the competing gods need the humans spirit which has dwindled down to Shaw in this part of the Universe.
Humans are not a big player in the struggle but they are the key that the winners want on their side.
Be choicelessly aware as you move through life
Add A Reply