Xeno substituted with mutant in latest trailer

I've been saying this since the first clips came out months ago... filmmakers will often use alternate takes/"substitution shots" (where something or someone stands in for something to be added in post production) for trailers because, often times, the movie hasn't finished with post yet or isn't even fully edited by the time teaser/trailer 1 is released. RS isn't naive, either. He is fully aware of how serious we franchisers take this movie (even before ANY solid information had been released) so of course he's going to tease us with such details lol

in the new trailers, there are several scenes in the hanger fight, where it seems like people are climbing or throwing things without quite touching or actually making contact with them. After seeing this it seems to me this would make a ton of sense, if they were leaving room for extended limbs being added in postproduction.

I still refuse to give up! :-P

They're definitely not the same take. The smoke is different, the body on the floor in the background is positioned differently, the thrown victim's body and legs are angled differently and his face is positioned differently inside the helmet.

Perhaps due to the spoiler of Shaw's baby being spotted in the trailer they are now trying to hide the mutation of the crew member, or it could be a ploy by RS to deliberately keep us guessing until the movie opens as to what the creature looks like.

Yeah, this is like the scene of the medpod, where they hid Shaw's xenobaby with the ridicule blur... I believe the scene was originally filmed with the regular mutant. The xenoid mutant was added later through CGI... I bet the final product is the first gif...

They are not Xenomorphs, they are Aliens. A Xenomorph is actually a mineral, Google it. The creatures in this movie will be not much like the original Alien either, why are people obsessed with that? You'll be able to see where the original came from, sorta, but that's it.

On the second scene his leg is on fire the other it is not in the same place

by the way who is he throwing????

can u please tell me specifically where you got the first comparison clip? I just watched what i thought was the original trailer uploaded onto you tube on Dec. 22 2011 and this scene wasn't in it.

[url=http://youtu.be/ubtAPd6kFIw?t=2m5s]Original International Trailer - happens at about 2:06[/url] I agree Shawluv, in the latest version the mutant doesn't appear to actually hold the victim and releases too early, yet the victim still flies through the air and does so very rigidly as if they are being held. In the original trailer the victim was being held in the chest the whole time so it looked a lot more believable. This suggests the latest trailer is deliberately trying to throw us off the scent.

Look Cypher lol.......Xenomorph is perfect for the Alien. It changes to the attributes of its host no matter what species. What better word could you want? Its scientific. Plus directors usually do several takes before they are happy with THE SHOT.

Freddy's claws LOL

its the same shot just dif res and playback quality. and Xenoporph just means something of unknown origin. yeesh also known as an "alien". you can break it down xeno meaning alien or not from here and morph =Biology . an individual of one particular form, as a worker ant, in a species that occurs in two or more forms. A living thing that not from here basically.

The differences are due to post-production CGI editing.

With the amount of differences that would only be possible if the whole shot was CGI.

....i prefer the original clip more....those long limbs are very xeno-ish....they terrify me in a good way..;)

its exactly the same shot maybe from a cam located 3 feet from the other but its the same damn shot.

Interesting observation. There have been a few such similar tweaks to the trailers. Another one that springs to mind is the thing David is pulling from one of the ampules. In one trailer it's translucent. In a later one it's dark. Are they just f*****g with us here?!!

Also in the first picture you can see that Fifield is pulling an axe or something out of the guys back as he is at the zenith of his throw. Pretty Brutal! I hope that this is Fifield.

Himmel, I don't know how to make a gif of it, but at 2:31 of the Prometheus: Origin' featurette on yahoo.com One of the characters from this same scene is being pulled up the side of a transport on a stunt cable in a way that could only be in the final movie if they completely redo the shot with CGI. This would seem to verify your theory of shots in new trailers lacking postproduction changes to throw us off and keep us guessing.

dont forget this is shot in 3d. you can can alter perspective somewhat. pluss you figure on an important shot you will have a few cameras running and some maybe just feet or inches from each other. R.S. is know for using as many cams as he can get away with.

The mutant in the first shot is taller than in the second shot. Look at the ceiling lights. So, I am thinking the second is before the post production work. Also, I don't think we are seeing a lot of cgi in the shot. The second one looks like a normal actor.

And people called me crazy for saying the studio was changing things to throw us off. :P

You ARE crazy though :-P anyone that didn't know that is on the wrong page of the script :-D

well having read through all comments posted there is nothing for me to add DAMMIT! have to be faster next time :P Keep up the xeno battle Cypher ! lol I think it will be impossible to win it though I did enjoy reading the thread on it awhile back ;)

[img]http://i.imgur.com/EN22m.gif[/img] The axe in this shot could correspond with the xeno's arm length. The mutant appears to be too small and low to pull someone sideways and upwards like that while a larger xeno would be much more capable. Another gif of the mutant. [img]http://i.imgur.com/UXSQb.gif[/img]

@twitch (especially here) It's not the same shot. Look at the leading/trailing legs for each throw. Differing movement in each. Who thought however, that the first time we saw this, it was a pissed off SJ?

xenomorph simply means many forms or a variant. In Latin it means "murderous thief"....interesting, no?

Yes this is all due to post CGI. The film makers find stuff last minute, and then they switch it. I have never seen so much stuff change in a movie from trailer to trailer. We might see an entirely different scene who knows

Personally I think someone in CGI dept deliberately altered that guy in the first clip to look alien-like just as a joke to see how many fanboys they could make wet their trousers.

Having rewatching that close up GIF, I actually don't think that's a growth out of Fifield's head, I think it's a portion of melted helmet. I think perhaps though that he may rapidly transition into a creature during the course of the fight, hence the discrepancies with ARM length and morphology between the two. It'd be more believable to use CGI augmented practical effects than to simply go full CGI on this.

These are two different shots, the legs and posture of the "mutant" and the flamethrower are different. The other dead "mutant" that's on fire also appears to be different between the two.

[url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/2352]Here is a thread[/url] I started to possibly help with this discussion. Simply because of the position of the feet/legs being completely different, I think these are two "takes" altogether. Are they done with a "xeno" and "mutant" just to throw us a loop? Who knows.

"1 shot/2 shot".....interesting. CGI augmented, perhaps - but, I'd say, augmented and possibly even composited - on the basis of at least two separate takes. The precision of the staging is confusing, but I don't see how differences in perspectives of the 3D rig could account for the completely different behaviour of the thrower - in the first case, he powerfully heaves in one fluid movement, pushing off with his left, but rotating his body to end his drive off his right leg; in the second case, he does exactly opposite - but not quite as simply: he performs a little two-step back, to ends his drive off his left leg. Also, the unfortunate burning corpse in the background does seem in a [i]very[/i] different position, altogether - but, what finally convinces me, is he [i]being[/i] thrown: this sequence is obviously well-choreographed, but the posture of the victim is slightly different; and his head, while he takes his Flight of Doom, adopts a [i]completely[/i] different attitude inside that helmet. I think @Himmel calls it correct.

"flight of DOOM" @allinamberclad I'm so gonna laugh when I see that in the theater because I'll be thinking of your comment

Who knows whats going on.... Its does seem odd that the other two shots corispond with the swollen Head Fifeild as opposed to the Xeno looking one... someone told me a while ago, that he saw some stuff on set and he said that the effected crew members turn into something that looks like... [img]http://static-l3.blogcritics.org/10/01/28/124701/Pumpkinhead.jpg[/img] Pumpkin Head lol... i thought the guy was nuts as that would be soo obvious as the Pumpkin Head did look inspired by the Xeno, and also looks like Ripleys Baby.... But then after seeing that CGI shot of the dude with the Log Arms and Xeno ish head, he does look like Pumpkin Head... so who knows whats going on.

@Dave_b "In Latin it means "murderous thief"....interesting, no?" [img]http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/KAfKFKBlZbM/hqdefault.jpg[/img]

The original shot also has the barb-like extensions directly behind the elbows and that point had many believing that there was going to be a xenomorph in this. Curiously though, the mural shot from the temple ceiling (way back to the week 2 release stills) also showed the submissive jockey creature has the pointy barb like extensions behind the elbows.

I'm dying to see the Engineers / Space Jockeys at the same time I am very excited to know What the hell is becoming Fifield in that scene? (the wait is killing me)