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Xenotron
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 3:40 PM[url=http://youtu.be/wrmn8hLtz8M]ClevverMovies has a new report[/url] saying that Prometheus 2 is in Pre-Production and that it will probably have even less to do with Alien than Prometheus.
Sorry fanboys, no xenomorphs for you...
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sukkal
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BigDave
MemberDeaconMay-17-2012 3:53 PMIndeed i really dont know whats going to happen, i am sure Ridley must have some respect for the Alien fans and Alien Franchise than to piss all over it and the fans....
Unless he is unhappy at how the Xeno evolved after Alien, if thats the case why did he not try and push to work on a sequel to Aliens or even Prequel to Alien in the 90's
But he has go Damon Lindelof onboard who i think just goes with what he wants and dont give flying F about what anyone else thinks.....
If he played a part in the Star Wars prequels i think we would have had more abominations than Jar Jar Binks....
It depends how the movie ends really....
I hope Ridley does not go back on his word, well i hope what he feels links to Alien and that last 11 mins or so at the end of the movie will indeed give us our answers, and provide a direct link to Alien and leave us satisfied.
On my thread i gave my views on what could have been done to explain away Alien and then never have to visit the Xeno again....
[url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/5246]Link to Alien[/url]
You see if Ridley wants to get away from the Xeno, he has a tricky task if indeed Mommy meets Daddy and creates a organism that at the end of the movie we all assume must lead to the Xeno because no other explaination is given....
Or if he passes off the Xeno as a experiment or finding that the Engineers made/created hundreds or more years prior to Prometheus, it may give us the answers in a way, but a Prometheus 2 has to then follow on after Prometheus and not set before as if we visit the Engineers in the past and they did create the Xeno way way before Prometheus and Alien, then it has to be set way before they created the Xeno if they want to avoid the route of the Xeno.
Right now i have a worrying feeling that Prometheus is a Alien Reboot and i would not be suprised if Prometheus 2 is Alien the Reboot done pretty much like the Orginal Script... but then thats what Prometheus is in a away...
So god knows whats going to happen....
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John D.
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 3:53 PMSounds like she's just recapping what was said in the Entertainment Weekly interview(?)

Forever War
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 3:57 PMI believe I read a print interview with Ridley saying he would shortly begin meetings on the Blade Runner sequel and I think that's his next sci fi move

Xenotron
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 3:58 PMAccording to the video their source is the Hollywood Reporter.
I see this as Fox using Alien as a slingshot to generate interest in a (mostly) unrelated film. People will buy more tickets if they expect to see Aliens.
Your average movie-goer still has no idea what this movie is about. The irony may be that the Alien fans may have even less of an idea of what this movie is about.

Svanya
AdminPraetorianMay-17-2012 4:01 PMThere is a rumor, not sure if it is true though, that Cameron asked Ridley to do a proper sequel/prequel Alien movie and he refused. Fox ended up making AVP... If the story is true why on earth would Ridley be mad about what people did with the Xeno? He had ample time and lots of support to create a proper story. :/
Honestly I never thought any Xeno would be shown in Prometheus so I am not upset. Some fans however, might think it's going to feature a Xeno and be very let down.

bryllupsfotograf
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 4:02 PMPlease let there be a trilogy :-) Love the 3 movies thing :-)
All the best
/Ross
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Xenophobia
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 4:02 PMI see what he's doing. THIS IS SCOTT'S AVATAR!! Only that is rated R, has even less friendly blue aliens, more gory and gruesome deaths and the hero wears a bra.

Frantz
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 4:04 PMThat report is a bit of a mix of many rumors and interviews ....lets wait that will surface on more reliable resources ( not your fault of course xenotron , great find anyway ) . I think will be ridicolous to start a pre production before knowing the commercial results...just starting a pre production are million of dollars .

Forever War
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 4:05 PMI believe I read a print interview with Ridley saying he would shortly begin meetings on the Blade Runner sequel and I think that's his next sci fi move. I had thought that he originally planned to incorporate both an Alien prequel and a Blade Runner sequel into one film...Prometheus...but probably couldn't squeeze things down to where he could address the themes he wanted to explore.
I think that is what Prometheus 2 will be...using that working title.

Xenotron
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 4:06 PMHey man, I'm just relaying what she said.
Nothing is set in stone until it's on the screen.
TKfanboy421
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 4:12 PMthere will probably be a sequel, and the studio won't have learned from thier prior mistake, and they will get a lesser director, and the sequel will suck. ---not that Cameron is a lesser director and aliens sucked, it was good. I'm saying that everything after aliens in the franchise, ...well....sucked!

Xenotron
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 4:17 PMAs long as there's money to be made, they'll make a sequel.
The only question in my mind is if Prometheus will be able to financially warrant a sequel without the extra-terrestrial cash-cow (xenomorph).

Forever War
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 4:18 PMOk...that was weird...cut off my first post, then reposted my original post...in full
MOTHER!!!??

sukkal
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 4:24 PM
The sequel (in terms of story) can become whatever seems promising based on what works and doesn't work with audiences re: [i]Prometheus[/i]. If I were Ridley I would do the [i]Blade Runner[/i] reboot next and not even think about post-[i]Prometheus[/i] now. The fact that FOX is thinking about it already is completely normal. [i]Game of Thrones[/i] was picked up for round 2 after just one episode was broadcast. I'm sure the buzz around [i]Prometheus[/i] is at the right level already for FOX to be salivating KY all over themselves.

artyoh
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 4:30 PMJust a thought, but.......Scott has repeatedly said that the Derelict was essentially a bomber, and the eggs were its' cargo. Do we really need to know [i]exactly[/i] how that particular ship ended up there, when we already know what the eggs are used for?

Xenotron
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 4:41 PMI think you're missing the point...
The sequel would probably have less to do with the whole bomber and eggs idea since it would be stepping away from the xenomorph (even more so than Prometheus) and would be more about the Engineers and whatever else they do aside from the whole xenomorph schtick (yes, I spelled that correctly, ha!). The Engineers probably have a lot more interesting things to do than infect alien worlds with a case of interstellar crabs...
I think it will shock people how little Prometheus will have to do with Alien that we'll probably have to have a new group therapy forum here.

BigDave
MemberDeaconMay-17-2012 4:42 PM@Svanya
Well yes, i think that Lindelof could prove to be a Cancer to this movie... Ridley had drafted up a movie that had more links to Alien, but he came along and seems he had just as much if not more input in the plot.
You see Ridley could have done a movie about some beings who created us and other things, and that mankind finds a star map and goes to find answers but instead they find a race that are doing uncivilised things...
A movie that would be losely based on Mountains of Madness, like The Thing was based on Who goes there.....
This kind of movie would had been good.....
But as Ridley has added in the Engineer as the same race who have the Derelict Space Ship, and also has Weyland Ind in and is set before Alien. Well basing the movie in the Alien Universe is very risky.....
Ridley should have abandoned all to do with Alien Universe and gone with the idea of Promethus minus.... Space Jockeys, Derelict and Weyland Yutani.
I am sure Alien fans would have recognised Alien links but only to a degree that ET fans could connect Mac and Me lol.... It would not effect or upset Alien fans and not have them wanting answers.
They would have said "that movie was kind of good, very interesting, i wish Ridley would do a Alien Prequel and give us the answers to how the Derelict got on LV 426 etc"
But it would not piss them off, as for the general puplic and general Sci Fi fans then it makes no difference if the movie has Weyland Corp, or Microsoft Corp, has Space Jockeys or 8ft Lizards from Mars....
Ridley has instead gone for things from the Alien Universe and how he also said that their is a link to Alien and we would get our answers and leave satisfied means he has to deliver on that to some degree or he could face a back lash from the fans...
And like it or not i think those with a interest in this movie do so for its use of the Alien Universe.... and so Ridley could be potentially playing a risky game with this movies great percentage of viewers...
As come on if Ridley said he was remaking Mountains of Madness and its not based on Alien Universe i dont think there would be a problem at all.
At the end of the day you dont tug on Super Mans Cape, you dont spit or Pee into the Wind....
And you dont make a movie set before Alien, in the Alien universe that has a Derelic that has a Space Jockey/Engineer and the Pilot Chair, that has Weyland and then not answer some of the questions about who the Jockey in Alien was and why he was there with that cargo....
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artyoh
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 4:53 PMI just don't care about the "Derelict" anymore. Some poor Sj bought it, when there was a mishap on his ship....unless it was sabotage and not a simple accident, there really isn't much else left to tell. I'm getting an entirely new movie about the Sjs and their culture, with monsters that [i]haven't[/i] been reduced to being plastered on lunch-boxes.......not [i]yet[/i], anyway. Works for me.

BigDave
MemberDeaconMay-17-2012 4:55 PM@Xenotron
Thats why Ridley could be playing Russian Roulette, and going with what ever Lindelof had ideas for....
Ridley did say the last 11 mins would explain or link to Alien, if he is not going to do that in any of the 3 ways i explained in my thread then how is he?
You see if the only link to Alien is some creature that develops from Shaws Baby, then unless that creature is killed off and no offspring survives from this movie, then that would mean Weyland Corp would have optained a Xeno DNA related Organism as a specimen or indeed that Prometheus 2 would cover such new creature..... so why then in Alien and Aliens would they want to bring back the Xeno on LV 426.....
Lets hope that its the same as with Ash, that they deem the Promethus Xeno as a bit Twitchy and that they search for another improved Xeno like Bishop.
Because no way can this movie be considered Cannon to Alien if they are not carefull. Well especially to Aliens.
I fear we would get more questions than answers from this movie...
Unless Ridley is going for a reboot........
Thus this movie shares with Alien Franchise what little Batman Dark Knight Trilogy does with the Batman 90's movies....
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Nostromo
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 5:03 PMthis movie was very costly and has some mega movies coming out around the same time, so it could go either way. Even if it makes money for Fox, that still doesnt guarantee a sequel considering the numb nuts who runs Fox. It would ultimately be up to Ridely. He wanted more money for this film and got his way. Fox will try and make him happy so it will be in his court.

BigDave
MemberDeaconMay-17-2012 5:06 PM@artyoh
Thats right, and i dont want a Prometheus to be a direct Prequel, because there would be little scope for a part 2 because thats Alien, only thing would be a Prequel to the Prequel....
I think this movie started because Ridley wanted to answer the questions about The Space Jockey, he said he was suprised no one ever answered that in any of the Alien movies, who was he, what was he doing there, how did he get there and why carry those Eggs.....
Then Lindelof came on board and well decided to change things... i mean if he did Transformers 4 he would make it so that it then becomes fact that the Transformers was actually just Space Smurfs in Suits like how the Little Aliens was in Independance day.... lol.
I dont think years ago when Ridley had the ideas of doing a movie in Alien universe he had the idea " why dont we make a movie about some big humans who created us, who are the Space Jockeys who have Derelict ships but dont have nothing to do with Alien and Lv 426" nope i dont see that being the case.
As i said i hope and think Ridley would give some vague explanation as to a back ground story of how those Xeno Eggs got from A-B with B being landed on LV 426....
It does not have to show that happening, it does not have to go into detail.. it only has to explain or say "yep the Engineers encountered a Organism years ago, that was bad and nearly wiped them out and they just about managed to get rid of it off their planet/outpost"
That would do....
Fans would then go.... ohhh i see, yes the Xeno has to be the culprit and i guess they used another Derelict like the one they tried to take off with in this movie, only the other Derelict must had been used to get rid of that nasty pest Xeno and take it as far away from LV 223 as they could...
Job done..... Derelicts mission to LV 426 explained enough to give us our answers and thus shut the door on the subject for ever.....
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artyoh
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 5:11 PM@Big Dave
I think you're going to get the explanation you want. It would seem that the figure on the ceiling will play a part in it.

BigDave
MemberDeaconMay-17-2012 5:12 PMThe Question is what potential does the Sequel have well that depends on the end of this movie, well what becomes of LV 223, that ship, and what ever Crew are left.
The Alien Universe has a lot more to give, than just the Xeno.
We could explore Weyland Yutani merger and its terraforming of planets, who is to say a sequel would even have anything to do with LV 223 or what they find?
We dont know if the Engineers are all dead after this movie, then again if people can be changed into them, then that leaves the door open. If one Engineer escapes the planet that leaves the door open... And even if not maybe Ridley can explore more of the Chariots of the Gods aspect and visit the Engineers in the far past and follow what they did after they came to Earth and before the Xeno was ever around....
Its going to be very interesting as thier is much more posibilities to how Prometheus 2 could go, compared to Prometheus.
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BigDave
MemberDeaconMay-17-2012 5:19 PMlol hope so....
I would prefer my first 2 ideas on how to explain it....
I hope we dont see that Shaws Baby ends up growing up, getting on the Derelict where a Weyland in a Jockey Suit is pilot and then implant something in his throat then go lay a load of Eggs......
Nope a more suptle aproach explaining the Xeno do had been something that happend years in the past is better, this avoids a direct prequel route...
We really dont know with Lindelof on board....
Maybe its not Henriksen maybe its Weaver.....
Shaws Baby mates with David and makes a Andriod that is part Alien, and also looks a little like Shaw and thus Ripley is born....
Shes a Andriod, and part Xeno and she lays the Eggs, and thats why they could clone her in Alien Resurection and have Alien DNA lol
Well i would not put that past Lindeolf.....
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takka_takka_takka
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Sigismundo
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 7:20 PM@BigDave
You seem unaware that Ridley Scott requested Damon Lindelof specifically to remove most familiar "Alien" elements from Jon Spaihts script, because Scott wanted it to have as little to do with "Alien" as possible.
Also, tell us how you really feel about Lindelof. Did he run over your dog or something? Jeeze.
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