Alien Queen Theory

Newtella
MemberOvomorphMay 17, 20124919 Views35 RepliesIn [i]Alien[/i], all we see are xeno eggs supposedly used as bio-weapons in the derelict ship. No Alien Queen present that we know of.
In [i]Aliens[/i], we see a Queen & her wild, non-domesticated brood happily breeding off the colonists.
So my question is, did the Queen come about before the SJ derelict ship crash landed, or evolved from one the cocooned Nostromo crew (before the ship blew up?! Highly unlikely, I know) or did she come about thanks to the later colonists?
My bet is she arose from the colonists but I certainly don't know that for sure. I'm ready to be enlightened from some ultimate, all-knowing fan.
Someone, please satisify my insatiable curiousity. Thanks.
May 17, 2012
No one actually knows for sure Newt, trust me, I wish we did :-P The Queen was Cameron's idea, I'm sure O'Bannon and Ridley and Giger had other ideas about where the eggs came from..............................
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May 17, 2012
I can't answer your question, but the easiest way I can imagine where the queen came from is this: Many species of amphibian and some insects are known to change sex when they are in a single-sex environment. Yes, that's almost word-for-word the same quote from Jurassic Park, but it is also true.
If the eggs on the derelict were genetically grown, then a queen could very well be "engineered" into the life cycle as well. A bio-weapon is useless if it only survives one generation.
May 17, 2012
This is MY take based on all I have seen and read:
A facehugger can lay drone egg -or- a queen egg just like two humans can create a male (drone) or female (queen). Some say that temperature can play a role, some say that sperm of one sex may swim faster than the other, and some just say it comes down to pure luck (however, in the animal kingdom, temperature DOES sometimes play a role in the sex of the offspring).
But in regards to the xeno, a facehugger will create a queen egg/chestburster in the absence of an established queen over the immediate "lair". This is why Ripley's chestburster in Alien3 was a queen and took far longer to gestate than a drone. Had it been a drone, it would have been in the escape pod welcoming the inhabitants of FIORINA 161 right away. Fortunately, there was the second face-hugger on board that got the dog creating the unique quadruped alien.
One might ask, however, why wasn't Kane's chestburster a queen given the above explanation? There is no logical explanation, but in reality the queen hadn't been invented by the writers, however, the method of turning their prey into eggs had, but removed due to pacing concerns (thank-fully so because it also would have created problems for the writers of Aliens and their queen).
So what happened in Aliens? To reiterate, this is MY OPINION based on film evidence (and filling in the blanks):
-Newts father goes to the derelict and gets facehugged
-He is taken back to Hadley's Hope where the events of Kane's experience are replayed, however.....
-This time, the chestburster is a queen
-That creates her hive, grabs more victims in the gooey stuff, lays eggs to create a lot of drones
-And their you have it.
The Queen in Alien was created by Newt's father's facehugger because no queen was in the vicinity and this is simply the nature of their biology (just like with honey-bees).
May 17, 2012
@Aint: But that might be just it. Again, with the gender swapping in an attempt to continue with the procreation of the species. I actually think the queen wasnt engineered, as a precaution to prevent unauthorized breeding between the aliens. To introduce a queen would equal mass chaos, possibly killing everything, Jockeys included. But to quote Jurassic Park again, "Life finds a way."
May 17, 2012
One issue i always wanted to know is what happened to the chest burster on the Space Jockey? How big was that Xeno? and what part of the ship did it curl up in and die?
May 17, 2012
Big Bad Momma! I like the theories in the thread on the queen, perhaps it's just the order the xenos are produced in? Is it safe to assume that the Alien in Alien was a drone?
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May 17, 2012
@Freeze him; That is what people say. It's pretty amazing looking at all the different types of Xenos that came about after the "Aliens" movie.
@Mostly; That is the EXACT question people hope Prometheus will answer.
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May 17, 2012
Aren't all the xenomorph's female?? I heard awhile ago that Giger mentioned that previously. Nevertheless, we can all agree that at least the facehugger could be regarded as a male
May 17, 2012
@Mostly: If we recall how incredibly THICK the SJ's ribcage was, we can surmise that it took an extra strong chestburster to burst out...quite possibly an Alien Queen. She could've died before the Nostromo came but who knows. Such a scenario wouldn't surprise me at all.
May 17, 2012
Yes I see the xeno as a big one. Just what did it do with it self? No one to terrorize, no one to chase......or a thought, it may be all those eggs we see in the chamber were not all pre loaded, Could have been keeping her self busy laying a few eggs herself.
May 17, 2012
I think xenos live a little longer than that. It took the colonial marines a while to get lv426 and they had more than a few alive and kicking when they got there.
May 17, 2012
@Svanya: I know they grow fast but do we really have canon on how long xenos actually live once fully grown? And the Queen might have a longer life cycle than her drones.
May 17, 2012
I think I got you all trumped. Maybe its lifecycle is dramatically altered just as the xeno takes on traits from the host. We can all assume that Shaw would've "given birth" to Cuddles. But what we know about the lifecycle of the Jockeys is next to nothing.....with the Derelict ship crashing, one of the Jockeys will then become a host. So many variables, all of which make me very excited.
May 17, 2012
Here is a thought to chew on. I can not wrap my mind around a lose face hugger infecting the SJ. They are a great fit for a human face, not so much for a SJ with a mask or helmet on. so was the SJ infected on purpose? Did he set it the ship down on the planet as a sacrifice? And if so, did the xeno that emerged lay those eggs in that chamber?
May 17, 2012
@Mostly: actually, the snorkel is more of a nose. I recall the SJ having an frozen, open mouth, just perfect for Cuddles.
May 17, 2012
@ Newt; Hmm, good question Newt. I know I read somewhere that they only live 48 hours. It was some weird detail in one of the novels. I remember in the Alien novel, Ripley found a food locker that was raided by the Xeno and all sorts of weird stuff was consumed, like batteries.
@Mostly; Maybe a Cobra-Hugger or whatever they call it, (ala Milburn) did it to the SJ... O_o
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