Weyland Theory

not to that detail.... but i've been thinking the same thing.

Would be interesting if it was Weyland dead in the chair when Dallas finds him...Changes your perspective for that scene.

Is a theory a spoiler? Eh, I don't know; sounds kinda goofy to me.

I like your thinking Louie. Weyland does say "We are the new gods."

i didnt know weyland was on the expedition???

^ Yes, or at least that's what we are thinking and 99.9% sure about, in some of the scenes you can see an old man in a wheelchair, that's Weyland. @Louie Actually I've often thought this... Good idea.

weyland could be the guy who wants to take urns to the earth and vickers and the crew are going to stop him. could be one theory.

@hicksandhudson it's not official, but many elements/spoilers hint toward him being here as a very old self, willing to get something out of the engineers' tech (eternal life? bioengineering tech?). @Louie I quite agree that there is a possibility that Weyland is the 'Alien' Space-Jockey. I think it makes sense, is more original and has a greater philosophical reach if Shaw's "final enemy" at the end of the movie is Weyland trying to get back to earth with immortal life or alien tech and she fights him, eventually find a way to have him seeded with a (proto-)chestburster. I discussed some quite similar/complementary elements [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/5887]**here**[/url] if you want.

@ Sky, yes I think you've cracked it.......the plot not the egg! Apologies, I'll get my coat

Well, IF David did inject something developed from the "goo" into Weyland, )who then sat in the Jockey's chair) and it somehow evolved into an organism then burst out of him, it would explain the first chestburster and the whole Alien scenario.

This is my first post, and I am not an expert on all things Alien, but I have read where RS said the SJ in Alien was millions of years old. So the Xeno is also that old.

I think its fascinating that animals like the dinosaurs made it to millions of years of existence..yet we humans struggle to make it even close to a couple of hundred thousand. Is intelligence the curse in the universe? We humans need so desperatly a Planet nearby to settle on, but we can't get there while the population is bursting. Let's say we find a way to make our lifespan up to 200 years, to make sure we exist as much longer as a race. We need space cos people aren't dying. But we have no planet nearby. What can we do? Nothing, the Goverment will reduce the population to a specific size(insert conspiracy theory here). *this reply goes out to people wo think intelligent life can make it to a million years without extinction, wich I think is impossible.

great idea, has been theorized before by several people. im sure it has even been the basis for one of the apparent "leaked" scripts... My question is what brings you to this conclusion given what we have seen? i personally think its a bit of a shit explanation for the SJ in alien, purely because scientific research of that level and scale takes months, if not years. regardless of who perfroms it...to say and android of human creation is able to analyze, interpret and utilize a previously unknown substance in about a week? [i cant see the movies timeline covering more than this] is jumping the shark. i originally couldnt wait for this movie to exist on celluloid but after all the tv spots and trailers and worse than sub standard ARG i will be sad if this it the cliamtic ending/twist...

@asgardian..I am a firm believer of birth control...population numbers need to be controlled...each family should be allowed 1 kid, that's it...and they need to wait until someone dies to make space... Also capitalism..needs to stop..I am tired of this selfish me me me society of X-factor etc...needs to end...Everyone is entitled to a comfy home, family life, transport....but that is it...no friggin mansions and jets and Bentleys Because the more people indulge the more someone else is getting screwed over somewhere else..socialism is the key

Yeah, everybody knows that capitalism wiped out the dinosaurs! Duh!

@ itslikeananthive the "fake" prometheus script that everyone except a few dismissed but has seemed to be eerily accurate to what weve seen in subsequent trailers described Holloway as getting infected and rapidly aging, even mentioning him in a wheelchair.. it seems very likely. also, guy pierce has said in several interviews that he is only in the movie for a few minutes. sure, that could be because he mutates to a space jockey. not dismissing the theory all together, i just personally think uts more likely the old dude is a genetically altered crew member.

@spjchick If you check, R. Scott only says something like "this technology is million years old" which I think only implies the ship is million years old but not necessarily 'has been there' for that long... agree? [i]-also-[/i] does spjchick stand for 'space-jockey chick'? are you a girl on a sci-fi forum? ...would you like it if I wrote in a french accent? I heard spjfrenchs are famous for being very nice engineers. @Asgardian Playboy interesting thought and not entirely erronated but beware the power of words, when talking evolutionary biology. 'Dinosauria' as a group existed for roughly 230My (including ~165My before the K/T extinction and then 65My up to now, as represented only by birds). However, each species of dinosaur taken separately did not last that long (and we only have poor estimates how long they actually lasted, as 'species' is a hard to define concept for fossils as you can't see if 2 specimens off by 6My can still interbreed...). As a human, you are 65My apart from a [i]T. rex[/i], which is closer in time than this same cretaceous [i]T. rex[/i] is from a jurassic [i]Brachiosaurus[/i], who lived ~90My earlier. Overall, someone roughly estimated through 'wise' calculation that the average span of existence of species among all living organisms was ~5My, (not sure it still holds much value today).After that, species don't vanish, but, in average, they evolved into something 'significantly different' (define 'significantly'...) To finish, yeah, you're right though. Our 'evolutionary advantage' and the success we got from our 'social structure' are based on impeding the effect of 'natural selection' through behaviours like altruism, care to youngs and olds (i.e. medicine etc..). It made us too sucessful and numerous and will very prob. cause troubles, but as Ian Malcolm said in Jurassic Park "Life always finds a way" [and yes, I am a palaeontologist, sorry for the long boring message]

I've liked this theory all along and still stand by it, but there are just a few things that bother me about it: - if it is indeed Weyland happily on his way back to Earth, why the desperate need to take him out? Ok, we know he's a megalomaniacal asshole with a God complex, but why would he wipe out humanity? What's his gain in doing this? From what we know, his company has been working to improve Mankind's existence. - If David has surreptitiously been in contact with him in stasis throughout the movie, surely he knows the consequences of messing with those vials, and the role they may have played in wiping out an entire race (the SJ's) - the answer must be that his memories and consciousness as "Peter Weyland" must be wiped out in becoming a SJ

Weyland would have a God complex...He practically saved the Earth, according to the Weyland timeline, with his artificial atmosphere over the north pole this preventing anymore global warming. He owns the most powerful, influential company in Earth's history...shit I would feel like a god but he doesn't because he cannot cheat death. If he is on Prometheus and he suspects the same thing Holloway does, that these Engineers created humanity then he has a clue that these beings have the science to extend life, retard the aging process or even grant him immortality. If David does find a serum and injects Weyland, who knows the repercussions of that action. After he interacts with the bio chair suit, it may change him. It may even enhance his God complex. He could give two shits about infecting the earth...he may have simply merged with the new Engineer side in him and become the God he always wanted to be. And a God needs subjects to worship him. Just a theory...

@iapetus Not boring at all, in fact very informativ. When I wrote this it was just a overall thought. It may be sound a little stupid, but I think the ID4 version of the Aliens traveling from Planet to Planet to keep surving is the be best explanation for a race to expand their lifespan. @Weyland theory I'm sure he's looking for immortality plus a way to travel the universe, doing what the engineers did. Or he wants to get back to earth with powers so mighty that they have to worship him as a god. When Shaw says "We have to stop them", by this point of the movie it's clear that someone has taken over the ship to bring evil to planet earth. Then again this couln't be the climax of the movie cos its in the trailers, with the crash.

@Asgardian Playboy "I think its fascinating that animals like the dinosaurs made it to millions of years of existence..yet we humans struggle to make it even close to a couple of hundred thousand. " Struggling? Struggling how? As a species i would say it looks like we're thriving in never before seen ways. Huge population, huge amounts of food, energy, knowledge has never been greater. So i call BS on that we're struggling in any way. Are there people hungry, yes, big yes, and there probably will be for a long time to come, but it in now way suggests struggling, at least not in any common definition of the term struggling.A qucik look through history books will show plenty of times when the species was floundering and struggling, but it's not these times. "Is intelligence the curse in the universe? We humans need so desperatly a Planet nearby to settle on, but we can't get there while the population is bursting. Let's say we find a way to make our lifespan up to 200 years, to make sure we exist as much longer as a race." Contradictory. If the population lives more than twice as long, the population will not increase by twice as much, unless the ability to reproduce is artifically ended at age 30, because people would just continue to have children. We don't desperately need another planet to live on either, though i can think of a few people i might like to send to one. "We need space cos people aren't dying. But we have no planet nearby. What can we do? Nothing, the Goverment will reduce the population to a specific size(insert conspiracy theory here)." Economics will reduce the species eventually, if there's only so much food and people have had too many kids, they'll die. The planet will be just fine, the species will be just fine. thats how balance works. Lots of grief, but eventually people may start to think. No need for earth2 to fuck up. "*this reply goes out to people wo think intelligent life can make it to a million years without extinction, wich I think is impossible." And you don't have a single shred of evidence to support your claim. This reply goes out to people who think rather than emote.

@jim100.... "- if it is indeed Weyland happily on his way back to Earth, why the desperate need to take him out? Ok, we know he's a megalomaniacal asshole with a God complex, but why would he wipe out humanity? What's his gain in doing this? From what we know, his company has been working to improve Mankind's existence." Writers and directors generally do not show anything on screen that is not related to the story. So we can infer other things from some scenes, they relate. For me the key is the opening scene (we are led to believe), where the Engineer somehow "seeds" by dissolving himself into something that can affect many. So, i would imagine there is some kind of mechanical aspect to this (they've been stressing the emphasis on mechanics of bio), and most mechanics can be reversd to some degree. i think Weyland had some idea all along how they did it, and has theories on how to reverse it. So i'm guessing he is coming back to earth to take out some aspect of our dna to recombine an engineer, into him in some way. i think thats the technology stolen from the Gods, not how to make a vicious killer, we already know that, nature didnt produce Dobermans, man did. We also have a fair few eugenics programs that ran for a long time. So yes, i think weyland named the ship, because that was his intent, for him to steal technology from the gods and for him to become a god, he's already created worlds, and already created the start of "beings" in the David line. I'd guess now he wants to start again. Just like God does in the old testament where the vicious little psychopath keeps murdering most of population with floods and fires. "- If David has surreptitiously been in contact with him in stasis throughout the movie, surely he knows the consequences of messing with those vials, and the role they may have played in wiping out an entire race (the SJ's)" I think David is likely to be doing what he's ordered to by Weyland, but will have his own agenda too. My gut feeling is he will want to be a creator rather than just a mere creation. I think he'd like to create something that will look at him in a way no human ever will. "- the answer must be that his memories and consciousness as "Peter Weyland" must be wiped out in becoming a SJ" Small rice to pay for someone who wants to be a god i'd imagine.

@Windood Fair enough. Now that you already made look like an ass, I can mention things like if Hitler had the A-Bomb back then and used it, it would be proof that intelligence and evil spirit can wipe out an entire planet. We humans always play with fire, and thats by the way what I think is Weyland all about. We were lucky often enough in the past. History says civilisations evolve, then extinct, then rise up again, then dissapear. It's my view and I say we humans will never make it to a point were we can say: Now we have a good basis, we got our shit on earth together without wars, rich vs. poor, hunger, and so on we can move on. If you find this point of view stupid, I dont care it's only what I think.

@Asgardian Playboy I don't think you look like an ass. Because I've not seen your photo. Haha, but, i don't think you are an ass either. "if Hitler had the A-Bomb back then and used it, it would be proof that intelligence and evil spirit can wipe out an entire planet." IF......THEN, can be used mathematically to justify all sorts of crap that we would laugh at when syntaxed in English, yet still be mathematically true. Hitler already had enough weapons to wipe out the rest of the world. He was doing it. It was intelligence, and maybe a huge dose of gut instinct, that made others sit up and use their intelligence to thwart it. Again, books will set you free, have a read up on Genghis Khan. probably the most brutal killer in history, as a proportion of the worlds population he murdered more than any other. spanish flu killed about 20-25million, possibly more, in a shorter space of time than hitler or genghis khan. It is intelligence that stops these deaths. What it seems like you're really saying, is an unintended consequence of intelligence is the means to kill. And there is something in that. But it goes along with the intended consequences of intelligence, namely, medicine, food production, reducing slavery and so on. Are any of these systems perfect, no, because not enough people give enough of a damn about them, we're all too cosetted and safe, and some countries only get corporation-friendly news delivered to them (according to Dan Rather, who got fired for.....delivering a news story), but just because something isn't perfect doesn't mean its inevitably flawed, and "the end is nigh". i forget the name of the paleontoligist above who made one of the best points i've ever read in one of these discussions, namely the ability to forget about evolution, and lumping dinosaurs into one category. A great post i think. Moving people to another planet would only mean we had another garden to fill with trash and ruin. To fix the problem you have to fix the root cause. And that would require intelligence. I'd recommend a read of David Bohm, he wrote and discussed for many years about the way the west thinks and the problem of 'wanting X and the unintended consequence of getting Y along with it'. It certainly makes you think.

@grendizer "My question is what brings you to this conclusion given what we have seen? i personally think its a bit of a shit explanation for the SJ in alien, purely because scientific research of that level and scale takes months, if not years. regardless of who perfroms it...to say and android of human creation is able to analyze, interpret and utilize a previously unknown substance in about a week? is jumping the shark." Am not sure who you aimed this question at, but it took years to analyse human dna, many many decades ago, the same level of analysis now is done in hours or days. So it would be scientifically possible, even today, for a substance to be analysed in that timeframe. But, more time would give more analysis, so i would disagree that using techology in our future it would be jumping the shark' to suggest it could be done. Analysis is much quicker when you already know what you are looking for... it limits the wasted tests and gets straight to the heart of the matter.... question that leaves is does Weyland know more than Shaw thinks he does about all this?

@Windood My ability to explain my thought is limited because english isn't my mother tongue, nontheless what I want to express is that I am not very pleased with whats going on in the world today. I feel the progression we should make these days isn't going the right way. There's too much politics and money stuff, greed and selfishness. We lose the ability to care for others, to an extend try to put others down for a way yourself getting better and richer. I have a feeling that, as cheesy as Avatar was, it had a message that mirrors our way we live today, Cameron may be a rich bastard but he still has some thought about the world and knows what bothers people. Prometheus will also have this message that if we don't change something terrible happens. I sound like a pessimist I know, I wish I could be more optimistic.

@Asgardian Playboy My ability to explain my thought is limited because english isn't my mother tongue, (you do a great job, i would never have known english is not your first language (if you read how some natively english speaking people wrote you'd wonder if in fact they were speaking english at all)) nontheless what I want to express is that I am not very pleased with whats going on in the world today. I feel the progression we should make these days isn't going the right way. There's too much politics and money stuff, greed and selfishness. We lose the ability to care for others, to an extend try to put others down for a way yourself getting better and richer. (I agree, and i would say it takes intelligence to see when things are askew somewhat, so intelligence can be seen as an early warning system, for those with it). I have a feeling that, as cheesy as Avatar was, it had a message that mirrors our way we live today, Cameron may be a rich bastard but he still has some thought about the world and knows what bothers people. Prometheus will also have this message that if we don't change something terrible happens. I sound like a pessimist I know, I wish I could be more optimistic.(not sure prometheus will have this message, but hopefully it may make people wonder what we are for 2+hours, that would be a good start) have a read of some David Bohm, i think you'd enjoy it.