STOP PUTTING ALIEN 3 DOWN

Myself i think Alien 3 was a let down, but not bad.... Prometheus may be a big let down by the same token.... Because Alien and Aliens gave pretty big shoes to fill. The ending to Aliens was done, so it can be open. It was not a open ending but it was a ending with just as much scope for a sequel as Alien 1979 ending. The whole Dog Alien made sence, because of how the Xeno Life Cycle worked, in which the aim was to incubate a Xeno Embryo in a Host. With Animal Embryos they take a lot of form based on the Mother in the Womb.... The only thing that sucked was the ending...... because this when combined with Aliens, basically shut the door on any more Aliens. Not that it was a bad ending.... Just how do they go explain a Alien 4 if its ever made.... Well they did make it and it had Ripley again.... Now i can understand clonning DNA of Ripley to create her again, but how does that create a clone that has a Chest Buster... If say you had a wife who dies in accident while she was pregnant.... if you could do a (The 6th Day) and clone your wife back to life.... i cant understand how that clone from using her DNA would be pregnant... Just as if you cloned a uninfected Fifield.... his clone would not come out with Ginger Mohawk and Tattoos... But like this [img]http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTQ1NzQ2NTI0NF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMjkyMzk4NA@@._V1._SY314_CR128,0,214,314_.jpg[/img] That was my gribe with Alien Resurection..... take away that i also felt the movie had not lived up to expections but then its hard to beat those left by Alien and Aliens.

I didn't mind Alien 3, sometimes the effects were better, like the scene where the alien bursts out the oxen in the directors cut, sometimes they were worse with regard to the alien looking completely different in some of the cgi scenes. Still it was early days for that kind of effect I suppose. What really soured it for me was the weak link between Aliens and Alien 3. How or when did the facehuggers get on the Sulaco? Was it Bishop? I never really found that part of the plot acceptable. I liked most of the characters, thought Charles Dance was excellent as usual, shame they killed him so quick but all adds to the shock effect I suppose. Still looking forward to Prometheus anyhow. I love sci fi films first for their effects more than anything and this doesn't look to dissapoint (except maybe if there is a giant squid in there lol). I only have to wait until this weekend now so....

I have a soft spot for Alien 3. It saddens me that it was a miss rather than a hit. It could have been far better, it is lacking in several departments, it doesn't match the greatness of Alien, nor the tension of Aliens, but I find its beauty to be in its darkness. And what I like most (though it was shocking at the beginning) was the destruction of Aliens' happy ending. As much as I love Aliens, I find the ending to be too cheesy, too much of a cliché. Alien3 is a well deserved slap in the face, the Assembly Cut a hint of what could have been (though still light years away), and a great ending for Ripley who, in the end is just a human being, not a god and certainly not someone who can single-handedly defeat a corporation. It's not a great film, but I love it nevertheless. And I love the soundtrack

@private problem; Only CGI were a few shadows and the crack on the Aliens head, that is it. Watch the links I posted. It's puppets that were badly rendered against the background, it looks horrible but it's not CGI. :P

hi ,i think there ar bits of cgi in it particulalry on the corridor chase bits. its mixed in with the puppet bits. i love the film by the way !

People don't like Alien3 for many reasons, it's a matter of personal taste IMO. I didn't like it much because the story was garbled (I found out later this was due to numerous re-writes), the deaths of Newt and Hicks was a shock, and the special effects looked very bad. I much preferred Alien Resurrection over Alien3. I LOVED the soundtrack though, especially the "Angus Dei" track. [url=http://youtu.be/vQbd0t34WYY]Alien 3 Score ''Agnus Dei''[/url] @Simon, there is no CGI in Alien3, it's puppets. [url=http://youtu.be/Qi7aQ8f7oyw]Visual Effects Part 1 [The Making Of Alien³] [/url] [url=http://youtu.be/BljJgfJGOtU]Visual Effects Part 2 [The Making Of Alien³] [/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEg85k9UEL8&feature=BFa&list=PL81BBCACF07F9ABDA]Visual Effects Part 3 [The Making Of Alien³] [/url]

Prometheus will be whats known as a turning point.....a fork in the path. Alien franchise gos one way and is still safe for those that love it. And Prometheus takes a different path.....same universe, just a different path. A bit like SLIDERS if ya like. The beauty of it is.....that even if just made to make money for fox....all the sequels and different stories give us more to watch. Alien must be the biggest movie franchise out there.....the only other one i can think of right now is Friday 13th franchise. You make em.....ill keep watching em lol

Its just a continuation of the same story init......just a bit lower key, which makes a change than having all the best weapons tech in the universe. Gets a bit boring if you can just point a nuclear weapon at someones face.......doesnt give the elk much option lol.

I think Alien 3 is a fantastic film, highly underrated. Yes the CGI effects are shite BUT its highly atmospheric, looks great and has some great characters. It is INFINITELY better than Alien Resurrection.

I like Alien 3, and 4 for the that matter. Not exactly oscar worthy movies no, but good enough additions to the Alien franchise. People got their standards up sky high for movies these days. They question why movies like Alien 3&4 get made, but then when put in the right hands you get (what Im sure will be an intense movie experiance) Prometheus.

Drake I dunno what budget they had with Alien3, but I´m sure they USED it. The special effects in ´92 weren´t compareble to nowadays ( just remember Terminator 2) but I think Alien3 ´s whole concept was a different take, more psychological, and thats the reason why some dont like it maybe. Its about an enclosed envirenment, filled with only male criminals that got infected. Ripley does a quite good job in it. ´storywise a step backwards´ ?..no I wouldnt say that, its moodier, in a more spiritual sense. I like it. Plot is fine, Ripley death..

Alien 3 needs to be finished, Fox need to persuade Fincher to return and finish the film he started because.. 1. the Theatrical Release is brandywines version of the film. 2. the Assembly cut is Fox's interpretation of what they assume would have been Fincher version.

I remember going to the cinema to see A3 on my own when I was 13, I was experiencing the same sort of excitement that I am now. In those days there was no Prometheus-Movie.com for me to share my anxiety with loads of other nerds! I was disappointed and I remember leaving cinema thinking, what a waste. However over the years I have learned to appreciate the photography and the acting, and the soundtrack! So I think Alien 3 is a worthy film and adds to the spice of the franchise.

@Kane77 why would I compare Alien 3 against Terminator, AVP, or Star Trek 4? If all one did was compare movies to worse movies then any movie could be considered amazing. I could compare all those films to Battlefield Earth and say they are genius. The point here is, that Alien and Aliens came out earlier which means that special effects were harder to do, the directors had much less resources, and that studios were not as optimistic about lending them support. Alien 3 had no excuse not to surpass those films because it had a bigger budget, more studio support, and the availability of better special effects techniques. Instead, what we got was a mess of a film that had a tired "gritty" look and a story that took a step back (basically copied the original Alien in terms of the people trapped in a structure with one Xenomorph plot) INSTEAD of evolving further into something more.

I thought Alien 3 was terrible because the story was a mess, it was not fun to watch like Alien and Aliens, and the special effects were sub-par even for the time it was released. It had a production budget of 50 million and it squandered it (in comparison Aliens had a production budget of 18 million).

just compare. compare Alien 3 against Terminator 3, AvP or maybe Star Treck 4.. it is by far more interesting IMO. People may have Alien I in mind and unconsciously comparing it to it all the time..but it is really a nice movie. It no use comparing the Alien films against each other because they all evolved, like the tech..the death of Hicks and Newt was a kilier idea, very dramatic.. Svanya, right, its all nicely done miniature puppets, but the rendering is kinda goofy.. ( ..well ´92)

@Big Dog 1, I only use Alien: Desecration (my name for the 4th abortion) as a drink coaster ;-P Alien 3, the more I watch it, really is growing on me, and Svanya is right, I'm not as enthralled by Aliens as I used to be........ But it's still fun to watch, heaps more than Desecration........

No. :-D

Nah just kidding Mark :-P I actually have come to appreciate Alien 3 more as time has passed. The extended edition was better than the theatrical one, though I reckon they should have had the queen burst outta her in both versions.

@Cypher, I know the feeling, strange how we perceive the same movies over the years. The older I get, the less I enjoy Aliens. Probably appreciate Alien more now as well.

[url=http://www.avpgalaxy.net/alien-movies/alien-3/deleted-scenes/]ALIEN 3 DELETED SCENES[/url]

I love Alien 3, once it was restored it made sense (I WONDERED AT FIRST WHERE THE REST OF THE FILM WAS, BECAUSE i HAD READ THE BOOK FIRST... AND THAT MADE SENSE). It was an artist's nightmare to have his work butchered like that (David Fincher still won't talk about it). And taking out the Capture of the Alien just stilted the story that was being told, My only concern with the acting (I'm in the U.K and I've sat, talked and smoked the "peace pipe" with Brain Glover (funny man) was Paul McGann's (Golic) disappearing accent. It was a sterling cast and director... doomed from the start by working at a release date rather than a film. It was an ode to Scott's Alien and it moved back away from chattering guns and focused on how people with little to lose (In prison all you have is you life, and they also had a wonderfully twisted semi-faith) deal with being threatened. It was different from it's immediate predecessor and more like the original... people don't like change I guess, even though it showed the DNA evolution of the Alien! I think it was a true nightmare, in every sense. From the Producers down, everyone on board suffered at the hands of money being more important than anything else. I would not like to be inside with those guys let alone unarmed with a sleek, Giger designed horror, with no weapons and the sexual threat being moved to some of the other humans at Ripley (which is very scary if you consider that she has no way out). All in all my 2nd favorite Alien film and so atmospheric, moody and it's a fact... it's there and I'm so glad. Thank you Mr. Fincher!!!

I think Fincher nailed it when he tried to explain why Alien 3 get's a lot of negative feedback (not counting the behind the scenes drama he endured). It is so darn depressing. It came out at a time when we were dealing with AIDS, the Gulf War, etc. People wanted to escape from society's problems for a couple hours...not pay money to see an even more depressing metaphor of what they were already dealing with. People were really excited to see the next chapter in a beloved franchise, and they basically saw some great characters that most people had really bonded with in "Aliens" killed off, then sat through an extremely depressing movie where the one decent character that you connect with get's killed early (doc), and then of course Ripley takes the the Nesley plunge. It was frustrating because it seemed unnecessary. Whether you liked Aliens or not (I love it), the characters were great and Cameron really got you to root for them and care when they lived or died. It felt like they wanted to churn out another movie fast to rake in the money, didn't have a good script yet (a fact nobody denies), so they killed off the leftovers and through Bishop in the scrap pile until they needed him to explain (confuse people) how they crash landed. With that said, believe it or not, I appreciate many things about Alien 3. Like most people, time has healed the wounds I originally felt when leaving the theater. The few characters who I was allowed to connect to were interesting, and the "personality" of the Alien was MUCH better than the bug drones in Aliens. The atmosphere may have been depressing, but it definitely created a feeling of dread (liked the candles blowing out). The effects were definitely poorly executed, and I wish they had used more "guy in a suit" shots (like in the basement, crawling out of the pipes in the ceiling)...if that scene wasn't a guy in a suit, then I tip my hat, because that was a great, SCARY scene where I felt like I was seeing a real monster and not a puppet effect. In the end, I think they achieved their goal...it just wasn't goal worth pursuing in my opinion...which nobody really cares about (my opinion that is) ;)

@ Otto, Yeah Aliens was a "little kid" movie - that's why it's rated R. Oh and all the "non thinkers" must have nominated it for 7 academy awards. This thread is about Alien 3 btw - there is plenty of other threads about Aliens - perhaps you would be better posting there.

Alien 3 was a good movie IMO. To me, it gave the alien a bit more of an intelligence like in ALIEN. It had personality, sure it went around killing everyone but it "decides" to go kill Dillon in the mold rather than bolting, it was like it wanted to answer Dillon's challenge. There are some parts where it seems to size people up and there is an out take where Ripley finds the alien in "the basement" and it knocks the pipe from her hand and has another stare down with her. Maybe I'm giving it too much personality LOL but it seems less like an insect in 3 as opposed to ALIENS.

@Svanya...totally agree with you there. Aliens is really a "little kid" movie, isn't it? One for non thinkers to just glaze over at and be drummed over the head with "action"...

Alien 3 was ok, its just that it went through so many directors and when they finaly get going on a script, they fire the guy and hire david fincher. not to knock fincher but it was his first movie, he didnt have a script for the longest time and for all intents and purposes he used the previous directors sets that were already developed for his script. it was a decent movie especially compared to resurection and hell of alot better than any avp garbage

Alien 3 was the first of the franchise I saw as new (Alien and Aliens were old movies by '92) and thought 3 was epic! First off as is mentioned 3 starts with a very humbling reality check, I loved Aliens for what it was, but it leaves you with that "Ripley is untouchable" feeling, give her a flame thrower, a few grenades and maybe even a forklift suit if a queens involved and she'll take you alien hunting a bring you home in time for your alien soup. 3 squashs this feeling in a heart beat when you establish these aliens are not for extinsion after all and not just that they are smart and wait for the optimum time to strike (like when everyones asleep). After that the film for me is Ripleys finest hour, yeah there are plot holes all over the place (but there are in all of them) but this film depicts ripleys battle against the alien in its rawest form her vs xeno (mono on mono). Loved it from super-depressing start to stalemate end!

Going back in time to the release of Alien 3, there was no internet and movie news did not get updated and analysed by the minute. Back then I remember an interview with Ridley Scott, and even back then he mentioned that it would be interesting to explore the background of the Space Jockey. When I went to watch it on the big screen I must admit I was disappointed in the fact that it was not quite what I was expecting. Over time I have come to appreciate Alien3 more. Given what I knew back then, and this may sound a bit odd, but Prometheus in my eyes is the Alien3 that I was anticipating all those years ago.

In an attempt to pass some time and get a little Alien "fix", I watched Alien 3 again last night for the first time in a few years. There were elements of the story I really liked, and there are some interesting characters. I like Dillon, Clemens, and 86. I also liked the up close practical shots of the dog-xeno- very wicked looking. I also loved the dark and gritty look of the environment. However, the film was also a disappointment on many levels. As nice as the close-up practical shots were, the other effects shots were awful. Storywise, In the second half of the film the story just seemed to lose focus and became a disjointed mess. I found Dr. Clemens to be a very interesting character, but they killed him off just as the story tried to gain a little traction. A3 isn't the worst movie ever, but it did miss the mark unfortunately.

i think alien 3 is the second best of the films after the first one. as others have commented, the plot got a little messed up but when i saw it originally it didnt hurt the film in my eyes. its not quite as powerful as the original film but i think its far better than aliens. i think it has an excellent mood, look, and feel to it. the set designs are amazing, the score is awesome, and i think the alien looked really great - even though the composite shots using the puppets look a little too pasted together, i think the actual look of the alien itself was excellent. im not a big fan of the way they were done in aliens or after alien 3. i think resurrection is ok, and a fairly cool film on its own, and so is aliens, but for me alien and alien 3 are far better. aside from a few special effects that fall a little short of todays standards i cant find any real fault with it. personally i thought it was a great move getting rid of hicks and newt right off the bat, a great way to start with a clean slate instead of re-hashing a lot of things from a prior film. also charles dance! too bad he was only in the first half or so. i dont understand why people seem to consider this a sub par film but everyone has their own opinion- most people seem to like aliens the best and although i think its a really well done film, im not very fond of it as part of the alien series - aliens is just not my cup of tea really. every david fincher film ive seen has been really good and im often puzzled why this one was so poorly recieved - other than that everyone seemed to want a more direct continuation of aliens. im personally glad that didnt happen. i know the making of this film was fraught with disaster and re-writes, and seeing the re-cut of the film a few things make a lot more sense, but even in its original version i really dont see much of anything wrong with it. to me it had much better mood and pacing than the more action like films. it would have been cooler if more of h.r. gigers designs were used but i do think that this alien fits pretty closely with his style and looks really interesting. this has long been one of my favorite all time films - again not quite as good as the first one, but to me still in the neighborhood. but thats just my opinion and thats all any of this stuff can be, so hopefully people dont get too bend out of shape over it.

Growing up I was very childish about Alien 3. I blamed Fincher for it's failure and held some sort of pathetic grudge against him for a year or two. I had seen it after becoming fond of the characters in Aliens. You can criticize that film for a couple of reasons, but I did like the whole dynamic between the characters that survived to the end. It was only when I was older, watched the documentaries on the box-set, and gave the special edition another watch that I finally 'got' it. Really, it's amazing this film came out as well as it did. Starting without a coherent script, writing around sets instead of characters, that's just a nightmare. You can tell through the film that Fincher was suffering, but somehow that worked with the plot. You can talk about what it could have been, something better or worse, but that's not what we have. We have Alien 3. A movie that was so fucked from the very beginning that we were lucky enough to get it, to see the conclusion of Ripley's story arc, at all. By this film I just felt so bad for her, for Bishop, and for everyone else. The scene where he asks to be disconnected is upsetting for me. Ripley getting a well-deserved conclusion was cathartic. Is it a better movie than Aliens? No. There are too many production problems for that. Could it have been a better film without all of the shit going on behind the scenes with the studio? Absolutely. It was a step towards the complexity of the original. The original script involving the 'wooden planet' and Ripleys' evolved relationship with the Alien would have been more intriguing. But still, I enjoy it for what it is. (I even like the puppet, because it's a puppet, and not the CGI things from Resurrection)

I don't mind it but... The use of the word "F!ck" and all of it's variations is ridiculous. I curse like a sailor, but come on now. Lazy writing! CGI is shite! Use the original suit, setup, etc... Bishop/Weyland tie-in was a little thin.

I personally really enjoyed Alien 3 and Alien Resurection. Not just because they were Alien films but because I enjoyed the idea, plot etc etc. behind them. I'll admit ilthey aren't Oscar, Golden Globe or Academy Award worthy but they were still good movies, IMO. However people are always going to have different opinions and feelings toward the films and you can't ask them to shut up or stop dishing a movie because you like it.

@wseaton; I thought David Fincher did a great job since he had no real script to work with. The studio really screwed up on that movie.

I like the movie. I saw it in theatres and have seen it several times recently. Very atmospheric with an epic ending, IMO.

The problem with Alien 3 was the director - David Fincher. Fincher is a really odd duck who either makes films with a lot of facinating nuance light 'Fight Club' or 'Zodiak', or makes you wince and get bored like 'Girl with the Dragon Tatoo'. Fincher had the visuals down right in Alien 3, and if you ask his production crew that's all he talked about - getting the look right. Fincher however has no feel for the type of execution that a sci-film in the Alien Universe requires. It could have been about werewolves or mutant hamsters - The film would have been the same. Otherwise, I've grown to respect Alien 3 more over the years, and love the art direction, but it's a disjointed film that lacks a solid concept. Oh yeah...gonna get flamed for this, but Sigourney Weaver should have stayed out of Alien 3 alltogether.

Can't believe Alien3 came out 20 years ago. Where does the time go? Anyway, I hated it. Right off the bat, I hated that they killed Newt and Hicks, especially after you rooted for them to survive the last movie. That has been my biggest beef with A3. They took the lazy way out and instead of figuring out what to do with them, they kill them off. They could have sent them elsewhere through another escape pod instead of killing them outright. Maybe they should have sent Bishop and Ripley down to Fiorina and Newt and Hicks become separated. Maybe there was a malfunction with the escape pod system. My second problem, the magical eggs that appeared out of nowhere. The queen wasn't even in that part of the ship. Lazy, lazy, lazy. And my third issue with Alien3 were the prisoners. With the exception of a handful, all the characters looked alike with their shaved heads. One guy I thought had been killed showed up a couple scenes later. And who cares what happens to a group of rapists and murderers anyway? To paraphrase Ripley, in Alien you had the working class truckers, in Aliens you had the colonists and marines, who cares what happens to a group of criminals that found religion at the back end of space?

I like Alien 3, It's an atmospheric slow burn thriller that worked well as an antidote to the crash, bang , wallop of Aliens and brings the whole Ripley arc to a satisfying conclusion, granted though, the story was a bit disjointed (the assembly cut works better imo) and the effects were rather below par for a big name Hollywood franchise. Each to their own though, what one likes another doesn't. I'm not saying it's a masterpiece but it wrapped the whole Alien saga up neatly for me.

Sorry, but I found Alien3 and Aliens:Resurrection horrible. Alien3 was ridiculously disjointed, utterly predictable, terribly acted, poor special effects, and a banal storyline. Character development was lacking and the costumes...? Please! The plastic coats worn by the W-Y scientists/guards? Ripley's birth to the chestburster? I could go on and on. Aliens:Resurrection suffers from much of the same. Horrible acting again, a "leap of faith" in continuity, and the incestuous scene with the ugly "Baby"/Queen was utterly ridiculous. Ripley was an emotional automaton until this scene, the scientist fascinated/infatuated with the Aliens...he was better as Piter De Vries in "Dune" and he was horrible in that role. Sorry, but I will rag on Alien3/Aliens:Resurrection to my dying breath.