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vincent38

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Dear fellow Prometheans, I am trying to clarify how 'Prometheus' timeline of events fits with those that followed on LV-426. I have actually searched info extensively, but several contradictory date inaccuracies are having me totally puzzled, so if this has been discussed and successfully established in a separate topic, then please allow me to apologise and kindly redirect me to the said answer. Otherwise, please keep reading and feel free to contribute to an enlightening and constructive discussion… … Ok. My starting point here is Amanda Ripley's date of death, reported in Aliens' special edition as being "12.23.20" on the photograph that Burke shows to Ripley after she is successfully retrieved from outer space after 57 years in stasis. I read that date as being the 23rd of December of 2120. Since she was 66 at the time of her death and two years have passed (as stated by Burke), that would mean that the events depicted in 'Aliens' are taking place in 2122. This makes sense, effectively placing the events of the 'Nostromo' as depicted in 'Alien' back in 2065, thus confirming Ripley's grief for not being home for Amanda's 11th birthday, who having died at 66 in 2120 means she was born in 2054. However, all 'official' wikias report Ripley as being born on 2092 and her daughter on 2111 (and then the latter deceased on 2177), and also report the 'Nostromo' mission as happening on 2122 which will in turn delay rescuing the terraformers from LV-426 ('Aliens') to 2179. That said, I haven't been able to identify the fictional source of such information (whether these latter dates are actually mentioned on and/or inferred from 'Alien', 'Aliens', 'Alien 3', 'Resurrection' or one of the 'AvP' movies; as far as I know, no dates at all are mentioned or showed in 'Alien'), but they seem to heavily contradict and differ from what is shown on 'Aliens' and can be deducted from the information on Amanda's photograph unless, that is, she actually passed away on 2220 and not 2120, or the date of "12.23.20" was something made up by The Company in order to draw Ripley back to LV-426. I suppose you see where I am going here… because if the dates in 'Aliens' are correct and the events that it depicts took place in 2122 (and not in 2179 as 'officially' reported elsewhere) this will corroborate 2065 as the year in which the 'Nostromo' events took place. Consequently, will this then mean that Weyland-Yutani was already aware of them when launching the 'Prometheus' mission between 2089 and 2093-4? Because if so this will add an interesting twist to the movie… What do you think? All theories welcome! (… and sorry if all the figures and dates seem confusing. That is what I am trying to clarify :)
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vincent38
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(i'm back!...) But unfortunately have not been able to spot anything, I am afraid... When Dallas first retrieves information from Mother, a list of commands is shown but no actual date; and the same happens later on when Ripley manages access to Mother (the mission's code or number is shown, but no actual date). So I am back at a loss... I also checked the detonation activation scenes (just in case) and even the controls on the 'Narcissus' (Nostromo's escape pod), but nothing... David 1, do you know exactly in which scene Mother shows the date (if at all or if even briefly)? Have also checked on Aliens (thought the marines' cameras may have the date recorded but they only show the mission time). Anyone else with more evidence willing to clarify the date puzzle? :)
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kudos ^.^
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I think the date of death of Ripley's daughter is a flaw from Aliens. All sources identify Alien's date as 2122, I don't know, however, what's the evidence. But I'm sure someone here knows.
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If it helps, there is a part in the Alien Movie, in the MOTHER computer centre or whatever it is called that shows the date of the mission in the screen.
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@ Xenomorph54 You are right that the date of death of Amanda is probably a flaw, albeit a rather consistent one with the previous movie if I may say so... I have watched 'Alien' countless times in order to spot a date, but have failed miserably :( Hopefully, as you suggest, someone else in here can provide us with the evidence. It would be interesting to clearly establish what happened first or if this is another 'open question' (of many) posed by the 'Prometheus' movie... ;)
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Thanks, David! I'll watch that again immediately :)
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Vincent38, I'm also confused on these dates as well because I do believe that each and every movie (in what I've figured as a time line: Predator, Predator 2, AvP, AvP Requiem, Predators, Alien, Aliens, Alien3 and Alien Resurrection) tie in together. We even get to see how Weyland Industries is going to lead to the formation of the cybernetic human in AvP. Anyway, I cannot find anything other than those wiki sites that gives other dates and have been trying to figure out what went wrong. AvP gives the date of 2004, Predator 2 happens in 1988, I think is the date referenced in the movie, and I only have seen the 12-23-20 as well. *sighs* I would seem that both of us are going to have to figure out what the dates are on this because I don't know if I believe the "official" wikia sites.
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@SilverX1031 In a different topic on this site (see http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/4154&page=1) a comprehensive timeline is given for Weyland Industries which seem to confirm the timeline between 'Predator' and 'Resurrection', thus rendering Amanda's date of death effectively as a flaw... ... However, in the same topic other fellow Prometheans dispute that timeline, which they say was built aside of Mr Scott's original story and therefore is not actually official, and that with this new movie Mr Scott has decided to establish its own one (or to fix the timeline) between 'Prometheus', 'Alien' and, possibly, 'Aliens'. Interestingly, on the official website for Weyland Industries launched for the 'Prometheus' movie, an official timeline for the company is also given (see http://www.weylandindustries.com/timeline). Although it only covers, roughly, the first 50 years or so it is plausible to assume that this timeline has Mr Scott's blessing since the site was launched to accompany the movie's launch. Several dates are worth mentioning. The first one, 14 May 2039, states the discovery of LV-426, as follows: «Weyland astronomers discover multiple moons and a ringed planet just outside the Zeta 2 Reticula System, which are possibly able to support life. Weyland expects to travel there within the century.» (Please note here the expression 'within [u]the[/u] century' instead of 'within [u]a[/u] century', thus expressing Weyland's desires of travelling to LV-426 before 2100) From the second one, 28 May 2039, one can infer the beginning of terraforming activities in other planets thanks to the use of atmosphere processors (which the web accurately depicts as the one in Cameron's 'Aliens'). This is later confirmed in the timeline with the patents for the 'Method' and 'Apparatus' terraforming land-vehicles (14 February 2052) and the expansion of terraforming activities by establishing a transplanetary peacekeeping force (20 November 2065). 29 January 2056 sees the patent for the first mechanised power loader exo-skeleton (as per 'Aliens') while 6 May 2057 sees the patent for an ejectable luxury lifeboat «able to sustain one human life for up to 50 years.» Another interesting date, 18 August 2042, describes the establishment of out-of-Earth correctional units (i.e.: prisons) thus providing an official approval for 'Alien 3' story context. In other words, from those dates, it is possible to infer that the technology needed in the 'Nostromo' was already available in 2065 if, assuming Amanda's date of death as per the 'Aliens' photograph is correct, the 'Nostromo' landed in LV-426 (discovered 26 years earlier) by then, but also the technology needed for Weyland Yutani to initiate terraforming there circa 2102 (i.e.: around 20 years prior to Ripley's rescue as mentioned in 'Aliens' after the corporate meeting where she loses her Warrant). As a result, this would place the events depicted in 'Prometheus' as taking place [u]after[/u] those in 'Alien' but [u]prior[/u] to those in 'Aliens', possibly explaining why the 'Prometheus' has much more modern technology than the 'Nostromo' (and not just because of updated visual effects) and effectively placing the whole story as a concurrent one to that of LV-426, although not necessarily linked to it. This would add a whole new dimension to the story and effectively expand it beyond 'Alien'.
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2179 is derived from the scene in Aliens (theatrical cut) at about 1:22 where Ripley confronts Burke about his plan to smuggle facehuggers back to Earth. RIPLEY: I just checked the colony log, directive dated 6/12/79, signed Burke, Carter J. You sent them out there and you didn't even warn them!
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"Them" meaning the Jordens, specifically. 2179-57 years of hypersleep=2122. 2122-29 (Sigourney/Ripley's age during Alien)=2093 Prometheus lands on LV-223.

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