Xeno from Engineer/Female connection?

This new Xenomorph that we see at the end of Prometheus is exactly that a new, allegedly improved Xenomorph. I will explain soon enough once I have all the facts but heres some hints for you... - The pile of dead Engineers and the Engineers in the hyper-sleep sarcophagi all had holes in their chests, just like the long time dead Engineer on LV-426. Whereas the Engineer at the end of Prometheus has a much bigger hole. - Normally when a Xenomorph is born it comes out as a Chestburster, not fully grown like it does when it bursts out of the Enigineer at the end of Prometheus. - The Engineer born Xenomorph at the end of Prometheus is distinctly different - no ascertainable bio-mechanical features, no four hoses, no dorsal fin, no domed carapace. - The Xenomorph cargo on LV-426 is transported via eggs, one of which overcame the pilot forcing it to crash/land on the planetoid. The Xenomorph cargo is more securely stored on LV-223, inside urns and vials.

So you'r saying we might be seeing an Alien queen then?

The first alien queen perhaps.

no eggs = no queen

NIN if there were xenos that came out of other engineers and the last engineer was asleep,where are their eggs? I maintain the xeno born from the engineer at the end is going to be the first Alien queen that can produce its own offspring compliments of Shaw.

"no eggs = no queen" The egg came from Shaw ,the squid was the first hugger and the xeno from that is the first real queen.It's my theory anyway.

The egg did not come from Shaw... In the Alien franchise the Xenomorphs come from facehuggers, which themselves come from eggs. Destroy the eggs, destroy the outbreak. Therefore the Engineers redesigned the Xenomorph after what happened on LV-426, eliminating the eggs, thus making them safer to transport and capable of reproducing without the need to put themselves at risk.

A couple of flaws with your argument Snorkelbottom. Firstly, everything we see in the alien universe is subject to extreme growth of a factor of 14 within 24 hours. So there is no reason to expect the new alien to be any different. In 24 hours it will be close to 90 feet tall. I don't know what size eggs a 90 ft tall alien would leave but the resulting face huggers would be huge. Yes I know that a 90 ft alien is stupid but I don't make the rules, i am just obeying the laws of the known alien universe that every other known example obeys and there is no evidence to the contrary that this should behave differently. Other than the law of stupidity.  Secondly, the alien that hatched from Kane was a new species as was the alien that hatched from the dog. Your argument would dictate that these should be fully  grown queens since they are hatching from a new species. Only second generation xenos for a species would be drones. This does not seem to be supported

You are assuming that the crash on the other planet with the space jockey happened before this event so? I am of the opposite opinion that the derelict happened after Prometheus.

@ TNLV-426... 90 foot Xenomorph seriously?!? 1. The Xenomorph as seen in the Alien franchise does not have an "extreme growth factor"! The creature, born as a Chestburster, finds somewhere secluded and alone before molting into its adult form - hence the discarded Chestburster skin, the molting seen in Alien, Alien 3 and AVPR. This stage, along with the egg and Facehugger, is when the creature is mostly at risk. Hence why the Xenomorph in Prometheus is born an adult. 2. The species that was born from Kane is the former version of the species, that relied on the Queen to produce eggs to propagate the species, remove the eggs and allow self reproduction (as in the deleted scene in Alien) through direct contamination of the source substance (the black goo) and you have a more efficient weapon that can be safely transported with no stages where the creature is defenseless.

Of course theis is conjecture but didnt RS say only recently that the derelict had been there for thousands of years?

@snorklebottom Everything we see grows. The worms from the urn mutate the earth worms - they grow Shaw is infected the baby grows to a ball size overnight The squid hatches and grows to 10 ft in a day A chest buster grows to 7th in a a day Suddenly we come across something that we are meant to believe doesn't grow? It doesn't fit the pattern that the universe dictates. Do I expect the xeno to grow to 90ft, no of course not. But if you are going to make up a universe you have to be consistent and not put a fully grown alien at the end of the movie just to bridge the gap between the two films.

@TNLV-426... You are misunderstanding the nature of the black goo it does not make things grow, it is an exilir/evolutionary accelerant - look at the effects from this substance... - Sacrficial Enginneer drinks a cupful - disintegrates and beigins life. - Holloway drinks a little and the same thing happens, just slower. - Small worms submerged in it become bigger & more advanced. - Fifield, Dead from the acid falls in is reanimated. - Shaw and Holloway have sex, her dead womb comes back to life. - Holloways advanced sperm and Shaws reanimated womb give birth to the Squid, which in turn inpregnates the engineer, whom gives birth to fully grown, adult Xenomorph mark 2. ...Also as you stated the derelict Engineer craft on LV-426 crashed/landed there thousands of years before the events of Prometheus. It cargo is therefore older than the cargo of urns on LV-223, thus the cargo on LV-223 is newer and thus when taking into account the lack of eggs, the lack of a Chestburster and the change to the creatures propogation it is clear that Xenomorph on LV-223 is a newer, allegedly improved version of that which was left to rot on LV-426.

My head hurts way worse now than it did earlier today that's for sure.I always thought the 3 films would eventually serve as a prequel to the crash of the derelict . I now know this does not add up according to what I am reading on this thread.

Prometheus is a story about a group of humans seeking the answers to mankinds creation. We learn that the Engineers, an ancient race created us, but that they also have created darker, more disturbing creations that could lead to the extinction of human, and all life... They are not the gods we sought, but the devils of our greatest nightmares. At the end of the movie Shaw heads off seeking the answer to the question we are all asking - Why? The answer she'll get, won't be a good one thats for sure!

I think it's better i stop thinking about stuff so. I knew the Alien films very well, I'll stick to them! This is a prequel to the company and why they knew what to look for in the original Alien,not the derelict itself. Apologies to all on my ramblings on this,I have been looking at this all wrong.

snorkle bottom you r 100 percent right i agree thats what ive been saying from the begining they had too many mishaps with the original xnomorph and they refined it to a viral form that through natural cycles of life (death and mating) will inevitably manifest itself in its natural form. theres no way the first xenos are created at the end of prometheus and any one who thinks that it is the first queen has missed some very crucial peices of evidence the fact that first of all the sj on lv 426 is fssilized and alien is set only 30 yrs after prometheus also they have eggs not ampules which automatically makes that cargo older and the engineers had prior knowledge of xenomorphs in its classic form you can see that on the mural in the ampule chamber. the xenos that we see in the original films rely on a queen to create the eggs this was not effective enough for the engineers. also the xenos were unruley and and turned on the engineers as you can see on lv426. so instead of tranporting the organism its self to the destination you tranport a more compact viral form that will inevitably gestate into the xeno any way. think of the benefits over queen based xenos. first no centralized hive. how many ppl would become infected and have sex in a 24 hour period if the engineers spiked the atmosphere with the xeno virus the world would be overun ten times qucker than with queen based xenos not to mention if you have fore knowledge of the virus ( like the engineers) it would be easier to contain the virus for your own ppl. so thats the trade queen based xenos almost equally dangerous for target and engineers, black goo xenos more dangerous for target less dangerous for engineers... what the engineers didnt know is there is apparently no way no matter how advanced you are to control the xenomorph

Well , I pretty much agree with Taz on this one. Alien takes place in 22nd century whereas Prometheus clearly states it takes place in the late 21st century, so this is obviously a prequel. If you look at the xenomorph at the end of this film, the mouth was the same as the alien queen and it also had the fluid filled sack attached near the belly (meaning the egg laying apparatus the queen had in Aliens). The black goo created by the humanlike aliens has the ability to create new life (a destructive, weaponlike new life). The queen we see at the end of Prometheus was probably the first of its kind. It stayed on the planet, probably layed some eggs, found another ship with those big human like aliens (because David said there were other ships), and face hugged one (or some) of the cryosleeping human-like aliens. When the alien awoke, it may have no recollection of what happened (like Kane). It left the planet, but a new queen burst from its chest in mid flight, causing it to crash land on LV 426 (thus starting the Alien storyline). Stuck on LV 426, the queen did what all good alien queens do and began laying eggs like no one's biz. I don't know, but this seemed like the only logical sequence of events.

jnkn87 there is only 30 years between prometheus and alien (prometheus 2093 and alien in 2122) so that is not enough time for the jockey to fossilize dallas says that the thing was there for at least 100 hundred thousand years and also ridley has backed that up. also the engineers knew of the xeno already as seen in the xeno mural not only that but there is a thread on this web page with close up pics of a face hugger that is on another mural it is very small but once you see it its obviusly a hugger attached to somepnes face. i think your missing the point this is more a spin off than a prequel ya know this is the enigineers story not the xenos so really the lv426 has nothing to do with this movie at all that ship was a diffrent incindent altogether. so once you accept that prometheus is not a prequel at all the story makes perfect sense and is very awsome by the way.

jnkn87 there is only 30 years between prometheus and alien (prometheus 2093 and alien in 2122) so that is not enough time for the jockey to fossilize dallas says that the thing was there for at least 100 hundred thousand years and also ridley has backed that up. also the engineers knew of the xeno already as seen in the xeno mural not only that but there is a thread on this web page with close up pics of a face hugger that is on another mural it is very small but once you see it its obviusly a hugger attached to somepnes face. i think your missing the point this is more a spin off than a prequel ya know this is the enigineers story not the xenos so really the lv426 has nothing to do with this movie at all that ship was a diffrent incindent altogether. so once you accept that prometheus is not a prequel at all the story makes perfect sense and is very awsome by the way.