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ksunday

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(sorry for typos, first post didn't submit so had to rewrite) The trouble with Prometheus is it seems like the writers made it up as they went along. There is no coherent back story, and no reveal, thus the whole film is has no base. 1) Why do the archeologists jump to the conclusion that the visitors depicted in cave paintings are "engineers"? This isn't explained. 2) Why suddenly ignore that we share 99% of our DNA with Chimps (and therefore a common ancestor), and become Creationists? 3) If the engineers seed DNA on Earth, how does this fit in with us, Neanderthals and Chimps etc? Why are Neanderthals and primates so similar to us? If the engineers made us then refer to point 2. Too many other really bad scenes in the film: * Engineers sending us to a bio warefare outpost!? (big supposition) * Reanimated exploding head * David putting unknown gunk in water for unknown reason * Geologist in charge of mapping getting lost * Scared guy playing with alien Snake (Jurassic Park) * Random people getting killed by Geologist (The Thing) * Father! * Setting up the ship to crash at the end in almost exactly the same position as in Alien, only it isn't a prequel. This could have been so much better and I can't believe how generous the reviewers have been. Prometheus is inherently flawed from the start to the terrible finish, and the worst part is the first 40 minutes could have been resolved during the rest of the film if only it was well written. -Transmission over-
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Maybe DNA just span out into different off-shoots, I dont think the Engineer dictated were it went, its just the end result - us, turned out to be very much like them. It is still plausible that apes were the starting point and then we evolved gradually over time into homosapien. The film at no point dictates that the Engineer DNA automatically created humans, it just created life.
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Well, the snake scene was just like the Kane scene in Alien. Kane was a dumbass too for poking around an alien egg. And like SJ Chris said, it's DNA that created lots of life, not just us.

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@ksunday 1)" Why do the archeologists jump to the conclusion that the visitors depicted in cave paintings are "engineers"? This isn't explained." Hey man how can you not see it? They figured it all out because "they chose to believe", DUH
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SJ-C - but the characters state that Darwinism goes out of the window. It's like they hadn't even thought about it. Svanyaq - that's true, but in the Kane scene it leads to the Facehugger -> Alien. In Prometheus it leads to a one-off scene reminiscent of The Thing.
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Arkadine - what, like this? [url=http://www.venganza.org]venganza[/url]
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ksunday - are we talking US definition of Darwinism or UK? Cos the US definition is of aesthetic naturalism. UK is just the whole of the theory of evolution
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Church of the Spaghetti Monster - wow, that's pure epicness lol
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@ksunday OMG I just ate that!!! I wonder what kind of alien structures are being born inside my tummy right now!
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I thought the movie was fine untill after Shaw and Holloway scene.... We got to a Cheesy scene with Janek and Vickers... then to Milburn and Fifield in the Temple which is ok but from this moment on the rest of the movie seems to move at a far to fast pace compared to the way it moved prior to that.

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ksunday
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SP - C Aesthetic Naturalism. Are you sure?? ;-) Darwinism...wikipedia it - theory of evolution. Aesthetic Naturalism...wikipedia it - doesn't exist. (normally don't revert to wikipedia, but let me off this one time). Digression over, the film describes them as engineers and states that they created us, bases this on DNA, but ignores shared DNA with other creatures on Earth. And the reaction to these claims by other characters in the film? "What about x years of Darwinism?", posed by a British character and meaning evolution, with all the DNA evidence that goes with it, brushed off...nothing else. The film poses these big questions, but to what end? To get to a scene with an alien snake and a bendy guy from The Thing, and don't get me started on David playing the recorder...
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Well, i also have some kind of "hate/love" relationship to the final movie. Saw it some days ago. On one side, i simply COULD NOT WAIT to see it as i waited so many years for a REAL sci-fi masterpiece (like alien(s), terminator2, matrix1, TotalRecall, BladeRunner..), and finally i sat there in this huge french cinema and my heart made boom..boom. Aha first scene... i know this from the trailers. There some kind of "space monch" walking along some cliffs. drinks this black tee... ohh... this is hard... falls down into the water.. disintegrated body... DNA.... CUT. Ah ja... here the cave scientists are in that cave... smiling... known from the trailers seen 1000 times.. ok. Upps ... already on the ship..in space... nothing between beginning scenes and the travel? uups... that was really FAST. Ah there is DAVID.. nice. Funny. He watches a movie... lawrence of arabia.. bycicle on spaceshhip.. basketball.. Ah he reads "dreamz". nice effect. anyway.. Then.. I would expect some "introduction" of the characters, but IF there was some "introduction of characters", it was done in a hurry, in a snatch. Not like in Alien1, where they sat relaxed at the breakfast and doing some jokes and talking the funny "bonus situation". Nothing. Some empty bodies sitting around, you have NO empathy for them at all. Ah ya.. the cave people explain why they came there. Aha. Known from trailer. The geologist has the role "not sympathic"... he is only here for money, not for finding friends.. aha. boring. And the biologist.. looks for friendship... hmm. did i really need this scene? not really i think. Oh.. Madame Fickers.. "..my job is to ensure you do yours...". Tough, but not authentic. No authority at all. Nobody respects here, they laugh about her. Hm. I dont laugh, i am bored. Ahhhh finally - they go out. Marshal-Green CANT wait to see what has to be found. IN the cave... cool looks. WOW! love that. But everything goes so FAST... and in 3D the "fast action scenes" (and there are NOT many!) you can not follow as all the look is just a husssshhhhhh... and the scene is gone and you did not see in detail what happend and you have to cONCentRate... Best scene - the cobra alien. Looks REALLY authentic and moves so nice. The scientists act like idiots more or less. If YOU AND ME would be at that mission, i dont think we would do such diletant things... not really authentic. Like children playing around.. no real plan.. trial and error. hmmm - stupid plot... Ohh WEYLAND is there.. what a terrible old-man-mask. Did they not find any OLD actor for this? terrible, not authentic. Ah ja, the leader of the largest company in the galaxy, goes UNWEAPONED and UNPREPARED to an alien to ask for eternal life... not authentic, STUPID TO DEATH.. Oh... shaw is pregnant... upps! oh, she operates herselves ... successfull. good luck. She moves out of operation room... that little beast is kept there. Maybe its dead - but i BET its not..haha. At the end.. its so HUGE.. Oh.. CGI, i dont like that very much. What a stupid plot... and how much LUCK she must have (not authentic and believable at all!) that she had the right timing so her baby does mess with the engineer. dumb plot. Ahh. the engineer.. David knows his language.. inteesting.. Reaction? Bamm bamm.. robot and weyland dead... shaw runs out... Engineer is not impressed and starts the machine.. maybe he just wants to do some coffee? Oh.. later an ALIEN QUEEN comes out of engineer... oh what a stupid mess. Was there REALLY THAT HARD TO FIND AN INTELLIGENT SCREENWRITER? Anyway - i LOVE it, i will see it again, just for the look and ATMOSPHERE. Hope the sequels will give more light to this.. and HOPE SOMEONE ELSE WRITES THE SEQUELS! Would like Scott to do it... but i lose lil bit my TRUST in his abilities to choos a right sreenplay... damn.. Lostelof...
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@SP-C and @Arkadine Glad to share the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster :-) @BigDave - I really enjoyed the first part of the film too until after leaving the cinema. I just imagined it was going to take us somewhere really good and answer those questions posed at the beginning. I could have handled the open-endedness of the beginning if there was a better arc to the story. The only thing it served was a show us that the characters were fairly 2 dimensional in not asking the questions we the audience wanted answers to.
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@ ksunday Wiki Darwinism - it talks about the country comparisons - aesthetic should of said metaphysical (sorry) got my words muddled. I think your reading into it too much, at the end of the day in the movie Engineers started the DNA origins of life on earth. Concerning the film that's that.
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Yeah, Ksunday...I knew something, well a LOT was off but there was so much out of kilter I found it hard to put into words which you rather eloquently have, certainly better than I have or could. I do have to wonder if it has been badly cut - (by the cinemaphotographers?)? Overall I enjoyed but was left with a lot of - like you say, "WHY's"? and as script writers and indeed RS surly should have had a better set of ideas rather than the disjointed 'it'll be alright' ones the film seems to have - I still find it hard to be disappointed (other than with the cut) though, indeed having waited years since Aliens for a decent film (IMO) they could have put anything in front of me and I'd of enjoyed it as I did still somehow do but it could have been epic and not a kinda 'mehhhhh' fil. Instead I think the extended release Blu-ray will hopefully fill some of the gaps in story, ploy line and continuity as I say, I assume the fault may lie with a poor cut of the original film?! again IMO Just an opinion ;-)
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@spacyfreak You seem to feel the same as I do about the film, I just can't find it within me to get over the disappointment of the script. David's head going into the bag and everyone in the cinema laughing (even me)...when Bishop gets ripped in half in Aliens you really care about him as a character and are rooting for Ripley to kill the Alien. David's head get ripped off and the Engineer/Jockey uses it to bash Weyland over the head and everyone just laughs, because we don't care about David and we don't care about Weyland.
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@SJ-C I know I'm reading too much into it, but if as you interpret from the film "at the end of the day in the movie Engineers started the DNA origins of life on earth.", why do we end up sharing so much of our DNA with them as shown in the film? You don't need to answer as it's impossible to say, but the whole premise on which the film is based is just too implausible for me. They seed life on Earth, then wait for us to evolve from nothing to us, then come back at various points during history and leave a map to their biological warfare outpost (??), then we find them and make a huge supposition that they were on their way back to destroy us (for an unknown reason). The way it was written reminds me of something my 2 and half year old Niece said to me a couple of weeks ago. I mentioned something about being underwater like being in space and she said "I sometimes look into space" and I asked "what do you see?"; she thought about it for a moment and said..."Rockets".
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THATS EXACTLY IT! I had MORE empathy for bishop in aliens than for the WHOLE PROMETHEUS CREW! Fassbender and Rapace gave their best and had some nice and emotional moments in prometheus- but they can not win against a bad script, and this one was really stupid on TO MANY points. But as said - there are 2 heats in my chest (or 2 chestbusters...ArrgehHH..). One says lindelof is an %&4" and cant forgive scott to do this advanture based on such a dumb script. The other one says - hey.. its even better then most of the sci-fi stuff of the last years, and it looks fresh. But hey, compared to DISTRICT9 (which was the best sci-fi movie since matrix1 FOR SURE...), prometheus is really dumb, done in a hurry, not inspiring... boring... disapointing.
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@spacyfreak District 9 (and Moon for that matter) were better films because they were well written and we cared for the characters. Don't even talk to me about Aliens. I watched it with a friend the other day - the first time she'd ever sat through the film, and at the end she asked me "what happens next?". I couldn't bring myself to tell her that Alien 3 starts with eveyone but Ripley dying...all those characters we cared so much about. After leaving the cinema at the end of Prometheus I imagined that if Elizabeth Shaw had died at the end of the film and we were left David's head singing her to sleep, it would be had so much more of an impact than both of them flying off into the sunset.
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The movie has so many inconsistencies that it's hard to keep track of them all. This will probably go down in history as the biggest closterf*** of a science fiction movie ever made. Prometheus is on par with the John Travolta film Battlefield Earth.
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You guys must not be filmmakers. Most of the issues I have seen with the film involve common problems in filmmaking. Time costs money, so scenes that are deemed uncritical usually get chopped. Also, the pacing of the film gets hurried making it feel half-assed. Also Ridley Scott hates dumbing down his films for twits. Bladerunner has a director's cut for a reason. Dumbasses didn't get it. And many of the problems I have read are from people who failed to catch a line in the film that explained their issue.

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