About David and Engineer

AEI
MemberOvomorphJune 06, 20121150 Views16 RepliesHello.
We still don't know what exactly was told to the Engineer. And maybe it wasn't what Weyland wanted.
I always got the feeling that David knew what is happening, and also knew what is going to happen. And i got the feeling that David is purposely sending Weyland to death. No one else knew the language, so this was the perfect opportunity for him.
What do you think?
June 06, 2012
To what end? That he could be free? I don't think he'd trade being ripped apart for freedom.
It would mean that he would deliberately disobey an order from Weyland, which would be an odd capability to have.
The Engineer may have wanted to kill them even if David said a perfect "hello" in his language.
June 06, 2012
I find Davids character to be unbelievable. All through the film he was trying to be human. If he had an agenda beyond Weylands it is stretching the imagination and credibility to the limits. Scott always prided himself on making movies that were believable and had credibility. This does not.
June 06, 2012
To be fair, we have no idea what he said. In later installments it might be revealed what exactly he might have said. It could have been what Weyland wanted or it could have been something to instill rage in the Engineer. Right now it is just one of the many mysteries in the film.
June 06, 2012
I think the very presence of the humans and david enraged him from multiple perspectives.
What we know of the mission - we saw what appeared to be a mission briefing on the bridge involving 4 space jockeys. 3 leave, presumably to oversee the experiments, while one preps for sleep, to be awoken when it's time to go deliver the deadly cargo. This is what saves his life, being asleep behind a big solid door on the bridge. Very likely he is unaware that all the other engineers are piled up dead in a corridor. It won't take him long to figure out his crew are dead, when he wakes up to find humans on the bridge.
Secondly, from the VERY heavily referenced greek mythology, we know that the gods didn't like their creations having any type of power similar to theirs, (look at the punishment of torture given to Prometheus, simply for letting humans have fire - liver ripped out every day, and growing a new one at night, to let it happen forever).
So, suddenly, this guy, who went to sleep prepared to fly a mission to wipe out every human on earth, wakes up to find not only are humans on his bridge, daring to speak to him, but they've gone and made a new life form, who is speaking THEIR language - in a way this makes the humans a type of god... probably an abomination to them.
So, plenty of reasons for the Engineer to beat them to death, without any intented provocation from David whatsoever.
June 06, 2012
I think yo're right.
Can you remember the line David said about 'how everyone want's their parents dead' to Shaw, i think that meant more then 'parents' i think he meant creators, human.
Engineer was calm even though Shaw yelled at him, and when old man asked to forcefully quiet her down. He remained perfectly calm and unthreatened. But second after David communicated to him, hell broke loose.
Even though many times it was mentioned that David has no soul, i think he had, maybe in other form than human. Every time someone yelled at him, threatened him, or considered him creation not a form of life, you could see that he either was quietly offended or he was snapping back at them (scene with Charlie Holloway when he returns remark that Engineers created human just because they could). The moment Engineer ripped his head off, you could see that he knew what's coming to him. He was not bit surprised.
Also the fact that we didn't understand (there was no subtitle which is usual when showing scenes where the non english language is spoken) the scene where he was talking to Engineer, i think that something is hidden from us.
I'm sure David had his agenda.
June 06, 2012
The internet. Find it,it was posted as a thread here a few hours back.
(By the way Fury 161 my posts were not directed at you)
June 06, 2012
I havnt read the interview Fass made about this scene either.
Im under the impression the Engineer though David was a mockery of his people's creation, that being humans.
Humans are his species life work and here they come with some mock up. Even human religions don't take kindly to copying and desecrating the human form.
I've seen fist fights over one guitarist stealing another guitarists riffs so I see the engineer being pi$$ed at us for "mocking him". That was my interpretation of the scene anyhow.
June 06, 2012
I read Fassbenders piece a while ago and it made me appreciate the character even more. He also gave his reason why he thought the engineer was so pissed at him.
June 06, 2012
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June 06, 2012
@Taz
Yep, i saw the interview. But the fact remains that they chose not to give subtitles, so the issue could be exploited in whatever direction they want.
Here is the [url= http://www.movies.com/movie-news/dialogue-michael-fassbender-on-39prometheus39-his-ambiguous-character-which-film-might-inspire-sequel/8257?wssac=164&wssaffid=news]interview[/url]
June 06, 2012
Edited: AEI beat me to it.
But anyway, Fassbender mentions the Engineer thinking of humans as flies, hence the cranky response to David's "buzzing".
June 07, 2012
Dunno, that makes really no sense. The cave paintings show that the Engineers have visited us AFTER the creation, and when the engineers wakes up, 2000 years have passed since he went to sleep, and he doesnt even know it.
Killing those people makes no sense at all in that context, and I think his act was related directly to what David told him, I am not even sure its about David beeing an android with human appearance.The uncontrolled anger of the engineer is unexplicable. Sure, You can SPECULATE that he exspected to wake up at his destination, ready to unload the deadly goo, and was surprised that when he wakes up is surrounded by the species he had other plans for.
But I dont buy that "flies" crap.They MADE us, if intentionally or whatever is secondary, if we were flies they wouldnt have given us their DNA nor would have come to see how we were doing. There must be another reason for the engineer's anger.