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Schro
MemberOvomorphJun-07-2012 6:06 AMThis is just a thought, the medipod was only configured for a male occupant. Now this seems counter to Vickers line near the start which states she prepares for escape and safety. As why would she have a medipod which is only designed with men in mind?
This also explains more of the slight hatred which weyland directs towards his daughter, so it is not just that he hates that she is not his son, but that she was his son.
This might just be me creating an assumption based on a plot flaw, but I thought I would put it out there.
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Svanya
AdminPraetorianJun-07-2012 6:12 AMVickers is a woman, the medpod was obviously calibrated for Weyland. Bypass surgery specifically.
The whole ship and everything in it was for Weylands comfort, it was his money, his ship and his quest for immortality. Upon being awoken if he suffered a heart attack from the stress he would have been put in the Medpod to fix his heart and keep him alive every second possible. The lifeboat was intended for Weyland for his triumphant return home.

dammitimadoctor
MemberOvomorphJun-07-2012 6:12 AMI thought that was a bit weird too. Surely its just a matter of the right software for male/female anatomy? Again, with Lindork, one has to construe all this extra bullsh*te to make sense of something that was probably an oversite or a mistake. And what did it serve to the plot or the story for her having to reprogram it? Really? It was the same result. Caesarian. Job done. I think you might be onto something.
Would have loved to see Janeks reaction to getting it on with a ladyboy!!!!LOL

Hadley's Hope
MemberOvomorphJun-07-2012 6:28 AMShe does bristle when Weyland describes David as the closest thing he has to a son... but that might just be because she is not being acknowledged as his heir (and perhaps Weyland was a chauvinist wanting to pass the business to a male heir) .
There would seem to be no point in making Vickers transgender, and having the medpod in her quarters rather than in the other lifeboat (there are 2 on the roof of the ship) also seems dumb, unless its for spatial reasons (that there wasn't room in the Weylands lifeboat.
Actually, I think it's another obvious plot device... it does seem to be for Weyland, and why it couldn't handle both genders is a bit silly for a medpod that's so exclusive that there's only six in existence (WHY does Shaw know this by the way?) but the thing is Shaw will need the medpod later in the film, and if it was in Weyland's lifeboat, she wouldn't have known about it in time, as she didn't discover that he was on board until after her operation.

greek
MemberOvomorphJun-07-2012 7:31 AM''Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
Albert Einstein

Schro
MemberOvomorphJun-07-2012 7:50 AMI do not see why this topic makes me stupid. It was an idea I had, as I did not know the pod was designed for weyland. I thought it strange that vickers personal lifeboat had something which was programmed only for men. So if you want to be rude, at least provide an argument rather then an overused quote by someone whose intelligence exceeds your own.

greek
MemberOvomorphJun-07-2012 8:16 AM''Cut stupidity in little pieces and mix it with ignorence....you have created the ultimate solution for insomnia''
Rude Greek
p.s. Charlize is the supreme female sample on the planet...her dna besides being impecable also holds the memories of her violent past...how more romantic could this be???

dammitimadoctor
MemberOvomorphJun-07-2012 2:00 PMI don't think greek is saying your stupid, rather the writing in Prometheus.
People saying the pod was for Weyland, while worth considering, doesn't add up. It could have been installed next to his cryo-chamber or what ever it was called. There was plenty of space in the room. The chances of finding it would have been the same as the chances of finding the supposed 'big secret' of Weyland. That's right, Shaw just opened the door and stumbled in. Big secret over eh.(Yawn).
The lifeboat was kitted out for Vickers with all the creature comforts and things needed for her to survive, except for a medpod that doesn't 'do' females. (roll eyes).
No, like a lot of things in Prometheus, this clearly wasn't thought through enough in advance of filming.

dammitimadoctor
MemberOvomorphJun-07-2012 2:02 PMI don't think Greek is saying your stupid, rather the writing in Prometheus.
People saying the pod was for Weyland, while worth considering, doesn't add up. It could have been installed next to his cryo-chamber or what ever it was called. There was plenty of space in the room. The chances of finding it would have been the same as the chances of finding the supposed 'big secret' of Weyland. That's right, Shaw just opened the door and stumbled in. Big secret over eh.(Yawn).
The lifeboat was kitted out for Vickers with all the creature comforts and things needed for her to survive, except for a medpod that doesn't 'do' females. (roll eyes).
No, like a lot of things in Prometheus, this clearly wasn't thought through enough in advance of filming.

Hadley's Hope
MemberOvomorphJun-07-2012 6:04 PMI agree that it wasn't thought through properly, but I still suspect that I've hit on a plausible explanation. (none other presents itself).
Several things annoyed me severely in watching this film... we'll skip the whole myth fest for a second, and the terrible dialogue...
I felt that the whole thing was aimed at setting up a finale, with little craftman ship put in between the big opening and that finale.
The writers decided, based on their love of the contrasting pairing of the believer and the android, that Shaw and Vickers should be the sole survivors.
They then set about working out, how to whittle 17 characters down to 2, not caring much about whether their plot devices made any sense.
I see this pattern over and over in the film, I don't think there's some secret transgender issue with Vickers, I think that they wanted to flag that Weyland was on board, and put the med pod out there for Shaw to run to later. The fact that it was in Vickers' lifeboat doesn't add up, but I think the writers weren't concerned about that, so long as it got the result that Shaw has a line of action to remove the infestation from herself, and that it is left in the lifeboat for the end of the film.
Similarly is the decision for Vickers to go to an escape POD, rather than her Lifeboat - I mean, it's CALLED a lifeboat for a reason right?
She seems unaware, by the way that her lifeboat is infested, otherwise she would have asked for the OTHER lifeboat to be ejected instead.
As I wrote elsewhere, the only reason Vickers goes in an escape pod is so that she is not the one who finds the giant facehugger, rather than Shaw finding it.
Remove the need to put the characters in these places, like chess games, and the decisions themselves make NO sense at all.
This was LAZY writing. Expecting the audience to ignore stupid decisions, inconsistencies, and downright howlers ( EVERYONE ignoring the 3D map showing where EACH member of the expedition team is - just so Milburn and Fifield can get lost and trapped during the storm. ) simply because they couldn't come up with a credible way of achieving the starting premise for the hoped-for sequel.

Glippernip
MemberOvomorphJun-11-2012 1:49 PMThere is one little thing I don't think anyone has mentioned. I think Vickers knew Weyland was there. After David has communicated with Weyland at one point while the old guy was still asleep, Vickers asked David what 'he' had said. She knew exactly what the medical pod was there for and lied to Shaw and whomever else because they weren't supposed to know what the Prometheus was really there for. Good old fashioned lying. Same as the escape suite being there for Weyland. I believe the film said it took two years to fly out there, and the pod had two years worth of food and support, just enough time for a rescue mission if something goes wrong. Vickers may have been enjoying the benefits, but the implication is that it is for Weyland.

allinamberclad
MemberOvomorphJun-13-2012 3:09 PMI'm genuinely not attacking you @Schro, but, when I think of this crock of a donkey-balls effort at a story, I'm finding it increasingly hard to blame people for finding themselves in a place where,"Vickers is transgender", seems like a reasonable thing to put forward.

Netblaze
MemberOvomorphJun-16-2012 10:14 AMYEah, I'm gonna have to go with allin here too. After considering all things, and reading a number of posts and arguements (on blogs, boards and tumblr), even if it was poor writing or something like that, I can't really see any reason to believe she wasn't. In fact most things do point to Meredith Vickers being transgendered or post op transsexual or whatever you want to call it. The rest of it just doesn't add up.

White_rabbit
MemberOvomorphJul-07-2012 11:11 PMHadley's hope - instead of being ignorant, please cite inconsistencies so we can debate them.
The writers wittling down the characters - This happened in EVERY ALIEN FILM. WHY WOULD YOU SINGLE OUT PROMETHEUS??????????????
Vickers takes an escape pod because her life boat was ejected before she left the ship. She is unaware of the alien in her pod because Shaw immediately after Cesarean-ing the alien stumbles upon Weyland preparing to meet the Engineer. There's no time for her to know.
Vicker's was absolutely transgender:
1. While Peter Weyland presented to the crew via hologram, he says 'David is the closest thing to a son I ever had' and there's a very explicit shot of her looking upset and let down.
2. David mentions that her survival unit is equipped with 2 years of air/supplies. This information is superfluous and was not inquired of by the scientists.
3. Later in the film Dr. Holloway asks David why he wears a suit despite not needing to breathe air, he mentions that it's to make the scientists more comfortable, however when the pilot decides to crash the ship Vickers (Theron) in privacy puts on a space suit, and nearly misses the opportunity to evacuate in the process.
4. She has a med pod calibrated for a man.
5. She drinks a vodka - straight up. Explicitly prepared differently than the scientists' vodka martinis.
6. Think about her relationship to Weyland. She calls him 'father'. Not to say that transgender people are mentally disturbed, but someone who has a child that late into life, is probably doing so out of vanity, in which case he/she may not have a had a 'normal' childhood, influencing her decision to change her sex.
7. She responds to the pilot's advances only after he tries to call her out for being a robot. He made love to a dude, and she had no reason to worry about impregnation (again back to the med pod)
Also - in regards to the rolling spaceship: Given the size and width of the ship, it wasn't just rolling like a renegade doughnut. It was sheer luck that Dr. Shaw survived, rolling out of the way, but she WAS almost crushed by the thing falling over. So there was no way for anyone to know how to effectively evade that object, as everyone seems to insinuate they should have. Dr. Shaw got saved by blind luck - a rock. She was almost crushed as well.
The crew doesn't see the stranded biologist and geologist because they had 15 minutes to rescue everyone else. It's a human error. That happens in real life by the way.
Finally - in regards to the biologist touching the alien creature: you can't hate a whole movie just because a guy acts like a moron towards unfamiliar life forms. If so, loath Jurassic Park plz: http://youtu.be/d921M-ACMM4

whatisthematrix
MemberOvomorphJul-08-2012 8:21 AMi think we're looking TOO much into the operating table. it was hardware, run by software. hence interactive technology? correct? the med-pod was "configured" and "booted" for a male. full stop. the theory however, that Vickers was transgender is an interesting one...but ole' Cap did f**k her. so i doubt it. She was just a tough woman. tough enough to try and be a son...but she wasn't a son. she was a daughter.
"MEDPOD 720I PATENTED
Weyland Industries earns patent number 16,572,092 for Method and Apparatus for the first fully-automated diagnosis and surgical station.
SEPTEMBER 2, 2061"
"FDA APPROVES MEDPOD FOR AT-HOME USE
Since FDA approval, one dozen have been produced with tens of thousands on back order.
JUNE 30, 2070"
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