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Stealing Fire from The Gods

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PV666

MemberOvomorphJun-07-2012 4:00 PM
Like many I have been left with many questions after watching Prometheus and want to share some thoughts. First of all, this is a story and 99.9999% speculative - it is not fact and I'm being careful to not mix up (quasi) fact with fiction. The film is entertainment, its a financial venture but more interestingly, its exploring some very challenging themes (albeit the entertainment and financial imperatives mean it is almost inevitably a flashy, incoherent, sledge-hammer to crack some very subtle 'nuts'). A consequence of this is I am resisting temptations for Mr Scott to actually come anywhere near any kind of realistic factual interpretation of cosmic events, the beginnings of life on Earth or of mankind. Instead I'm keen to join in with him and others in exploring some fascinating themes. Stealing Fire from the Gods - who are the 'gods' and who steals the 'fire'? An interpretation is that the 'fire' is in the 'goo'. Fire is dangerous stuff if mishandled, it appears that there has been some serious mishandling of the black organic gooey stuff both when the Prometheus crew arrive and before that giving rise to disaster. We all know how xenomorphs rage to destroy, survive & reproduce once released. Lets suppose that some ancient alien civilisation discovered by accident or invention how to distill the procreative energy of life itself (galloping DNA as Mr Scott calls it) - the raw urge of nature to reproduce and this distilled urge was found to be so rampant that if not handled properly led to death. Out of this death arose voracious forms of life such as xenomorphs whose only morality is survival and reproduction. Nature on earth is 'red in tooth and claw', how would it be if this raw energy we experience on Earth were somehow concentrated, refined and distilled? It would offer great power just as the discovery of how to create fire would have done. Might life-essence and its power be deemed worthy of honour & even worship just as seems to be the case in the alien craft in Prometheus. Let us also remember that the timescales that the Prometheus story encompasses are huge at around 500 million years. Recorded human history is a blink of an eye compared to this yet is incredibly complex, diverse, contradictory and tenuous. How much more diverse, complex and quite probably extinct must be the history of an intelligent life-form that was alive up to 500 million years ago. How can we expect to impute simplistic motives and plot-lines on such ancient incomprehensible beings. Who knows what the hell they're up to. For example, ancient but still existing South American peoples simply cannot understand why the rest of us continue to rape the planet - how can we expect to understand something so much more alien, for example, why they would want to send the goo to Earth? Having said that its quite fun to have a go at speculation and perhaps in the process ends up revealing more about ourselves than anything else. If what we see as black goo in Prometheus is the 'fire', perhaps those called the Engineers 'stole' it from the 'gods' 100's of millions of years ago. Who these 'gods' are is perhaps a deeper mystery - perhaps there are no actual gods just life as an expression of the processes of the universe. However these 'engineers' perhaps got severely burnt by this 'fire', perhaps it was just too dangerous to contain and they were 'punished' after the fire turned on them and near-devoured them. Perhaps as a race they suffered like the mythic Prometheus and so placed the 'fire' at a safe distance to be tended. Perhaps the 'goo-tenders' are not the Engineers at all but cloned 'drones' as others have suggested, maybe just programmed to protect and carry through a mission re Earth and other planets. Can we imagine what this mission is or whether those who established the mission are still alive? Its fun to try but imputing themes from our contemporary world is probably irrelevant to an intelligent race that outlives us by millions of years. I'm sure my ideas don't coincide with Mr Scott's as it would be rather boring sequel if Shaw and David arrived to find a dead home planet(s) where the xenomorphs had devoured the original Engineers and then devoured eachother thousands of years ago. Or if the Engineers were still around but everything was just so incomprehensible as to be a total trip. Personally I'm looking forward to Mr Scott spinning a far more entertaining yarn than that and answering a few questions. My only hope is that he doesn't in the process try to explain everything in simplistic overly contemporary, anthropomorphic terms - life, other people and other beings are and always will be a mystery - whether we like it or not! Lets have some uncertainty and some fun guessing - we might just learn something !
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Gahlaktus

MemberOvomorphJun-07-2012 4:27 PM
Excellent post! Just superb! 'Nuff said!

Socrates

MemberOvomorphJun-07-2012 4:59 PM
A lot of those ideas I think are spot on and in some cases strongly implied by the film and rs himself. Some of it is right out of rs' interview from the other post in this thread. http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/7147 There are so many questions raised from this movie and I believe there is more then one "prometheus" in it. David, the first engineer(s), weyland himself? I personally do not believe, and also hope that any sequel will not re-hash or introduce another layer of beings into the story. I feel that would be a bit much, and where would it stop? This is the creator of who you thought was the creator? Enter the manufactures. What did they manufacture...the engineers, who engineered us, who made the androids. Very well thought out and written, but I'm hoping this is not the case.

WhyDontTheyFreezeHim

MemberOvomorphJun-07-2012 5:11 PM
Wow! That really was an incredible post! Thank you. I think youre right. Life will always have many mysteries and its a good thing Ridley played on that. I didnt like it at first but Im kinda glad Ridley left us without answers so that we can think about this stuff for ourselves. @Socrates - Yep. Weyland is definitely Prometheus too...creating androids(David) which turned out to be dangerous and ended up causing a whole lot of trouble...causing the death of his creators and his creators creators.

Hecate

MemberOvomorphJun-07-2012 6:29 PM
Excellent post love it! "Prometheus the Titan, who in Greek mythology is credited with the creation of man from clay and the theft of fire from the gods, for human use, an act that enabled progress and civilization. He is known for his intelligence, and as a champion of mankind." So the question is who is Prometheus, who are the gods, and what represents the fire. -Prometheus was a titan, one of [i]them[/i] so I guess it was the naked guy in the beginning, who sacrificed himself in creating us. The black goo is the fire, the "Life Spark" -volatile and dangerous, yet potent and a creative bringer of life -all life, ours and alien. That’s was his gift to us. To the gods it was just a tool, to be used militarily or otherwise, but it was theirs. So they get angry when they see us. Elizabeth Shaw could possibly be Heracles who finally sets Prometheus free. The cave paintings could possibly be the heritage of Prometheus in our unconscious collective mind, engraved in us, the intelligence that set us forth on our path. I apologies for bad grammar and English and syntax.

TheEngineer

MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 1:15 AM
Just to note. Prometheus in Mythology also knew who will replace the gods of olympus. a human being though prometheus would not tell the gods. the gods wanted to destroy humanity because of it but prometheus persuaded them rather to have them worship the gods. prometheus did a lot of things in tricking the gods for the benefit of man, like even our food. Long story short, Prometheus was the friend of man. the Gods simply wanted to kill or use man for their own purpose. Prometheus as a Titan predates the gods. the gods were simply children of the Titan. the Titans came from the orignal 2. Prometheus here was most likely the name of the movie, they actually changed it. It was originally going to be called "Paradise" a reference to the Garden of Eden. Basically the premise is paradise may not be what we think it is. That's what Shaw will discover in her journey. Since paradise was too obvious, they changed it to Prometheus.
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