PROMETHEUS Explained! (Sumerian)

I really like the association with the sumerian myths but I don't think the film is a literal interpretation because of the complex nature of the goo and it's role in creating the xneomorphs. I don't see it as a biological weapon because that wouldn't explain what actually happens in the film. My take is: The prologue: Engineers are ancient benign 'creators' who have either developed, or have custody of a substance that initiates evolution. They identify barren planets amenable to life then travel to the planets and 'seed' key water courses with their DNA during a ritual sacrifice in which one of the 'holy order' ingests a substance at the top of a key river/waterfall etc so that his/her dissolved DNA is distributed effectively. The 'substance': The substance is an extreme DNA attractor catalyst whereby the DNA of any host it inhabits seeks new types with which to recombine. If none are available it just breaks the host down into composite parts ready for recombination when other organic molecules are available. On barren planets over millennia this 'forced evolution' would result in many types of organism, some of which became self sustaining through non-destructive forms of reproduction, and because the original substance does not reproduce itself, over a large enough area the original molecules would become dilute enough to be selected out. However, this only works if the original seeding begins at very elemental levels and the parasitic procreation occurs within single and simple multi-cell organisms. Setting the cycle up with fully functional complex bodies creates a transformation that wreaks reproductive havoc (see below). The transformation: When the humans enter the sealed chamber and starting breathing organic microbes all over it (we know it was sealed, or at least pretty pristine because the dead engineer's head is undecomposed despite having been there for 2000 years) they introduce bacteria. The substance, already 'sweating' out of the vials in dilution, (possibly due to solid state movement over 2000 years) and activated by the water in the atmosphere the humans let in immediately reacts with the foreign contaminants and multiplies into highly-reactive bio-goo. The humans' footsteps have disturbed the soil of the chamber and worms are beginning to surface (these worms may also have been brought in on their boots from the soil outside into the chamber). The organic goo reaches the worms and is absorbed by their porous skin. Because worms can reproduce asexually the substance triggers the reproductive process. The result of combining the DNA mashing catalyst with the reproductive capabilities of fully functioning complex organisms is the gestation of a super-efficient 'embryo' that seeks to enhance it's continued evolution as directly as possible. The worms therefore spontaneously give birth to a new organism, which, having stripped the best DNA of the genetic code available from the parent bacteria and worm genes, turns out to be a proto face-hugger, i.e. an aggressively mobile and hyper developed independant sex organ that instinctively 'heat seeks' a new host in with which to impregnate the exomorph embryo. The xenomorph itself continues the DNA seeking process, grabbing the most aggressive strains from the host body during gestation. Doesn't matter that the host is killed because the DNA is already off doing it's business. The faith of the 'engineers': The 'seed' ships are a holy order based on a pristine rocky planet, in what were originally pyramids, but have since been eroded into mounds by violent silica dust storms. Their task is very ancient and venerable, so strains of the substance are kept in a vacuum sealed chamber watched over by a giant sculpture of the engineer's head, presumably a depiction of the 'Godhead' that this species believes itself to be, with murals depicting versions of the ultimate life they worship and aim to (re?)create. The engineers tasked with seeding from this pyramid were in their sleep chambers about to set off to earth when some how the rank and file staff were infected with the substance - not the alien-inducing goo but the pure substance itself. Maybe it got into the food. Realising what was happening some of them, having a deep fear for and respect of the holy code, rushed to the vaccuum chamber in attempt to maintain the sacrificial ritual by dying in the presence of the Godhead. Only one of them made it, possibly the door was shutting as part of emergency procedures or one of the others shut it from fear of besmirching the holy chamber. The substance in the dead engineer's head was kept at bay until the scientists came and reactivated it. The others died where they were, but the substance had no carriers or reactors so it died with them. The journey to earth: Benevolent view: The engineers were setting off on a routine check on their way to seed other planets, and would again be patiently explaining who they were and what they were doing. They'd then bugger off again for another 2000 years and our future selves would be deciphering the depictions of beautiful milky humanoids and their incomprehensible star maps on archaic media such as digital video. Non-benevolent view: they'd decided that this evolutionary process had f****d up by coming full circle to create an exact match for their own DNA, which was no good to anyone because they were interested in creating the ultimate life form, not the same old same old. Especially when that species resembled a set of self-destructive idiot cousins. So they were headed back to reinfect the planet and start anew.

What you say sounds really nice. For example: "Helpers - "g"ods - Igigi - Engineers. (Android like living beings....BIOmechanical humanoid. Key features- Pale skin and large black eyes. Also known as watchers, Grigori, and Archons) (in many summerian texts they are actually referred to as "Pilots". Pretty much the Annunaki Air Force.)" Because, oh my, the engineers in the movie had pale skin and large black eyes! But I can't find a single source saying the Igigi have these characteristics. Do you care to point to any source that mentions the characteristics of the Igigi (since, as you say, you 'did the research, and it was all true.')? And this source better not be a wacko-website. It should be from the texts themselves or from graphical depictions from the Sumerians themselves. In other words, it shouldn't be a baseless assertion from an ancient alien fanatic. Also, your rant is basically just a bunch of foreign words thrown in that seem to have no connection whatsoever. For example, you start calling a weapon 'xenos', which as far as I know is just a Greek word for "stranger." This, of course, gives your rant an official feel - Hey! He has an official word for secret alien weapon technology that seems to have come from Sumeria! - But it is instead just a crock of unverified shit. Shame on all of you posters for claiming that this post makes sense without actually verifying a thing - because if you had even Googled the slightest detail, you would have uncovered the shit within his post.

This is a great theory! The idea of the engineers as synthetics or created beings makes sense and explains a scene in the movie I felt was odd in a meaningful way. Right after the remaining engineer was woken, David speaks to it (we don't know what he says), the engineer pets him in a sympathic or recognizing manner. Of course this is before he rips off his head. But he does not show any of the humans the same affection, only the android. Just something to think about.

You have just solved the mystery behind Prometheus.

I was worried for the sequel due to how complicated and possibly silly throwing in another group of humans from earth would be like, especially when Shaw could simply tell them to turn the hell around. As human viewers, we need something human like to relate to on the screen to get emotionally involved, thus the dilemma. How are more people going to get dragged into Prometheus 2? After reading this thread, it seems only natural that if indeed Shaw does go further and end up on another planet with engineers, or annunaki, that there will be a slave race of humans as well.

@Tedbradley WTH are you talking about? These myths are taken straight off cunieform tablets. the term xeno is a term used to describe the alien we all know. The sumerians didnt use the word xeno. Everything thing in the post about the sumerians is "factual" going by the stone tablets. You talk about not doing research? Obviously you have done none.

@Tedbradley I largely agree with Galzu. By "largely" I mean that Sitchin, Pye and others have interpreted some of the original Sumerian texts liberally in support of the broad "Ancient Aliens" theories and assertions, but at the core, this is where the reference mythology comes from, from Sumer. The research is solid. [i]Idle were those of heaven above, they had the Igigi toil under the corvée. They were digging canals, irrigation ditches for the gods, the life of the land. The gods toiled under the corvée night and day while debating and cursing, while complaining in the excavation: "Come on, let's confront our chamberlain, so that he will abolish our heavy corvée from us![/i] Corvée is essentially "indentured servitude."

There is nothing new unde the sun. King David said that. I quoted him because the premise for the movie has been retold over and over. This time space is being used as the stage. The human species knows nothing about its past. We are o ignoran to the truth. To our origin. Maybe a movie like Prometheus will bring up questions that have to be asked. What is mans true origin. Maybe we are just experiments gone wrong. The mo Prometheus is a combination of facts and ideas from men like Erich Van Danick, and HP Lovecraft. We are not alone my friends.

This offers a great angle to the story. A question that I am trying to tie into this all is that there appears to be two different types of engineers. At the beginning we see a more humanoid version give life to the river, while the discovery of the one in the facility is covered in more exoskeletal features. What's more is that these exoskeletal features, in my opinion, do not seem to be a suit worn (as can be compared to the engineer suits seen, actually the figure line released by NECA help illustrate this). Rather, it seems to be almost crossed with xeno features at a genetic level. Could this tie into the dragon-like humanoids of the annunaki or is there two separate factions worshiping separate biological superiors? Something else entirely? Death and life? I have no idea.

@Galzu I asked for a simple reference to and quotation to the cuneiform texts. I didn't ask for your reassurance that it comes from those texts. @sukkal No, the research is not solid. I asked for Sumerian texts that describe the Igigi as having pale skin and bold, black eyes (which would be rather stunning). I didn't ask for some text about the Igigi working in farms and then rebelling against their bosses (which is rather unremarkable and doesn't verify any of the stunning claims). And you didn't even name the piece of literature from which your quotations come (even though they themselves do not justify the imaginative story-telling in the OP). So I'll give you the challenge again: Tell me which (and where in it) Sumerian text describes the Igigi in such a way that matches with the humanoid aliens from Prometheus so exactly. If you can't verify nearly the first fact stated, I can't really trust any of it.

Even though this is a theory/mythology thread, Tedbradley insists on turning it into a history lesson. The sumerian tablets to refer to are the Enuma Elish -creation story and the Atra Hasis-uprising story. Most of the physical evidence of the Igigi are only in pottery of figurines and cave paintings with huges black eyes. The written account of their appearance is best found in the Book of Enoch. In it, God explicitly explains to Enoch that the Watchers (Angels/Igigi/Archons) appear to be alive but are not. They are not of earth, and each specializes in a certain task or discipline. They are replicas of the Gods not created through childbirth. They are "grown" and not born. Taller than men, Fair (white) skin and large black eyes. They are androids. They are called "watchers" because of their task and their most defining feature is their unusually large dark eyes. Humans on the other hand are BIOLOGICAL replicas of the Gods. The best current day correlation to them are descriptions of Grey aliens (Greek Archons). In many credible abduction accounts, females are taken more than men, their is something going on that has to do with reproduction, and the "teams" usually consist of one "overseer" large grey (IGIGI) and a team of smaller dimunitive greys thats do all the "work" (clones) Sounds alot like the fallen igigi trying to be the "gods" to me. Even doing the same things they did that caused the deluge in the first place. its funny the burden of proof is placed on others in a "theory" thread by you, when you couldve easily researched this yourself.

@mertber, interesting thread and I agree to the possibility that the engineers are only workers and soldiers. On the other hand I do not think they are androids, because Shaw took DNA samples from the head and came to the conclusion that had the same type of DNA that humans...so they are organic beings. But if they created us then who created them? Well, maybe the true Gods as you say.

To clarify, Akkadian, Sumerian are Semetic not Persian. For all the research you did, I'm surprised you'd make such a glaring mistake. No matter, the movie was terrible, regardless what mythology they used.

Couldn't this also explain the "Engineers" reaction to finding out that David is a robot/android? If the Engineers are the slaves/former slaves/artificial life that the Annunaki made, and humans are the biological versions of the Annunaki, seeing us creating artificial slaves just in the same way the Annunaki did with the engineers, might that have been what set him off?

Maybe the Predators are the devotional 'dog' in a more evolved form? I loved this. The more I read about the Annunaki, the more it rings true to some very deep part of me. Speaking of depth, this movie was very deep. Which is why I'm afraid it won't do very well.

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Best explanation yet!

Very good theory and one that does fit all the peices of the puzzle.... Shaw will find a different race than the Engineers, the Engineers are something they created to perform Engineering/Gardening and Terraforming... Only one band of Engineers took it upon themselves to create mankind without the concent of the higher cast/Gods.

All life on Earth from single-celled to modern humans shares a common ancestral DNA. If the engineers seeded life on earth as in the panspermia theory, they would have done so approximately 4 billion years ago. This means the opening scene with the Dr. Manhattan/Voldemort-looking alien took place 2-4.5 billion years in the past in order for his DNA to have seeded all life on Earth. Fast forward to when the engineers all died or went into stasis a mere 2,000 years ago. Why does their species appear EXACTLY THE SAME? They haven't evolved at all, while humans meanwhile have evolved from simple life forms into mammals, higher mammals, apes, primitive humans, modern humans and now have advanced technology and are capable of space travel. Meanwhile, the "engineers" haven't aged a day and their technology is roughly the same as it was thousands, millions, or billions of years ago. Also, when Dr. Shaw analyzes the DNA of the dead engineer, the computer says the DNA is a "match." If the engineers only visited Earth much more recently (tens of thousands of years ago in the cave paintings) and created humanity with DNA identical to their own, then modern humans would look identical to the Dr. Manhattan/Voldemort aliens. If the DNA matched completely, humans would HAVE TO look just like the aliens. No way around it.

@MolokoPlus— [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_language]Sumerian[/url] is not Semitic [i]per se[/i]. It is/was an [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_isolate]isolate[/url]. Though due to extended contact, a pragmatic [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprachbund]Sprachbund[/url] between the two is assumed.

This could make some sense but it's a totally impossible script, no way someone can convey all that amount of facts in even two movies, especially after the first one didn't give any actual clue on this theory and especially after contless other movies in the same universe didn't. I've spent five full minutes struggling to read all this, how are you going to put all that much of a twist in movies like Prometheus where 90% of the time is pure action and all the explanations are carried on with 'educated guesses' of some character

I wouldnt use the myths/history stated above as the plot to the movie. It is more of a backstory that took place around the time the sacrifice engineer did his thing. It just gives a more detail to what was going on, why humans were created, why they might be destroyed, what the xeno is, and how they "fell out" with the humans.

@Tuvok in this day and age it's a given that people are going to read in and around the script and the story. I mean, look at this place. It's testament to that fact

great read. after having read my bible and getting a good dose of 'ancient aliens' from netflix, this explanation seems legit. just wanted to throw in my two cents concerning the 'engineers were goin to destroy humans for killing jesus (one of their kind)' talk. i'd like to think that the reason some of the igigi rebelled was because they were upset that the igigi sent humans "redemption/salvation" through jesus christ. his death showed humans self-sacrifice/salvation (prometheus fire), which angered the other gods/aliens. they werent upset with the fact that the humans killed him; they were upset with what he represented... they then rebelled against each other and attempted to destroy us in order to take back their (fire).... or something like that. what do y'all reckon?

http://moviepilot.com/410730-prometheus-spoilers-the-engineers-intentions-revealed?stream=latest whole crap READ RIDLEY"S COMMENT!!!

the original text written for the old testement says nothing of Christ, it has been altered for an Ecclesiastical view around 2-300 AD. if you read the book The Rise and Fall of the Nephilim: The Untold Story of Fallen Angels, Giants on the Earth, and Their Extraterrestrial Origins [url= http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1601631979/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00]link[/url] you will see that Moses had a contract with an Annunaki , an engineer and spun of his own Religion! And like me this author IS a Christian!!! several other references support the Sumerian take on the events of our Sudden Awakening and separation from the other Primates some 200,000 years ago. And not all of the references are from Pseudo Science people... While Von Daniken's book Chariots of the Gods is a leaping off point, I can list several books and available reads to help one along this line of truth. in January, I started this journey unbeknown to this film, I am happy to see it attempt to purge the barriers placed from Christian and Pure Science Dogma... please read: Message of the Sphinx,- Hancock Underworld Hancock The Canon - Sterling The Orion Mystery Fingerprint of the Gods Sitchin's Earth Chronicles its called Comparative Mythology.. they are all telling the same stories! Read about Gnostic Dualism, the Egyptian, Dualism, read the Mahabharata, read - I Enoch, (and several other bible books removed from Canon in 2-3 AD) the book of Enosh was written on Sumarion tablets, predates even Moses books of Wisdom!!!!

Thank you, that fills in so many gaps. And hey, you taught me something new.

The true story can be found in revelations 12. The original Xeno is lucifer (fallen angels) still bitter and jealous lashing out in rage against the bloodline that brought forth the one who cast him out in the first place. (sending cargo of eggs to earth 2000 years ago ) interrupted by divine intervention (Ripley,Shaw) All done by with the help of their offspring (Nephilim) space jockeys Truth is lucifer had foreknowledge of all this.Spread and corrupted the Truth before Moses wrote it down.

He will always make himself out to be the victim. Still a whiner. Notice how he always try's to erase the truth.

Doesn't the story of Vickers and Weyland also play into this theme? Weyland creates David, who replaces Vickers, his real daughter, as the chosen one.

David should have had the name Attila if youve read the books the writers basterdized the books but the movie has been left wide open for more good thing develop the mythos

it is also interesting to note the child trying to replace the father in the stories and the movie. david 8 mentions this in the movie, about the child wanting to kill the parent, charlize therons character wanting father to step down instead of finding immortality, if the mural is related to persian myth than it too is about the younger trying to replace the older gods(or demi gods trying to replace gods) also side note this makes me wonder what david 8 said to the engineer before he went ballistic, given what he said about the 'killing fathers' thing... and if the engineers were robots, would that mean humans were robots that made a robot to translate to their creators that were also robots for another creator? would that mean we are a shell of a shell of god that tried to create a shell of us? ok no more inception moments i promise :)

Image of some Ural Pictograms found in Russia. They are compared side by side with modern chemical compounds: [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/Ural_pictograms_-_comparison.png/150px-Ural_pictograms_-_comparison.png[/img] Obviously, Prometheus has done, on purpose, just given us a small glimpse of what may have happened with the origin of Human Life and also, Ancient Aliens role with the advancement of Humanity thousands of years ago. Ancient Man. The movie is like another theory. Whether using Greek, Christian, Persian, Mayan, Cambodian, Egyptian motifs, or otherwise. I like the movie for those qualities. But, I don't like the movie for: Smart Scientists becoming all of a sudden, dumb, (oh, a serpent like animal hissing at me, I think I'll pet it).

Why does that engineers pet in the mural look like Watto from episode 1? Because they couldn't hire H.R.Giger to do a proper design.

excellent synopsis! although a Sitchin fan myself, I didn't immediately make the potential connection..however, you rarely hear people mention the different ships...which led me to believe there were 2 types of "engineers'..ones who create and ones who destroy..as far as why they wanted to destroy earth and the humans, who knows..perhaps the engineers were disappointed w/ their creation and the military ones at the base were commissioned by them to carry out the task when something went wrong w/ their bio-chemical goo? or perhap there were 2 factions fighting over the fact that the military sj's wanted to destroy the earth? only the sequel will tell us, if it touches upon that that is

This seemed vaguely familiar and I decided to go through my sci-fi movie vault and I came across The Fourth Kind where the aliens spoke ancient Sumerian.

Only time will tell if this Persian parallel holds up and I plan on doing some reading along these lines but for now, Mertber has helped connect a lot of dots that seemed way too far apart. Very well done!

@plotholepuncher Just because the DNA is a match doesn't mean we would look exactly the same. There can be very small differences in our DNA that changes appearance in the human species but it's still human. Also the "engineers" are designed to be the way, they are perfection. Humans didn't evolve the way they have because of chance, there's a blueprint in the DNA of the sacrificed engineer and the black goo. Whoever created the "engineers" created humans. I don't even like calling the space jockeys engineers because they created nothing. I keep reading post from people who still think the engineers created humans. There is a higher power then the space jockey. God>angel>human even with normal alien mythos reptilians>grey>humans. Greys/angels are slaves. They also look alike and it has been said that Greys are clones. There is no diversity. Humans for some reason are hold the gods interest more than angels/Greys. The gods like us but not because they love us it's because we are more valuable for some reason yet to be explained than the space jockey/grey/angel. Sorry I don't feel like engineer is the right name for the jockeys anymore and spreads false information because Dr. Shaw was wrong, so wrong. Sorry for the ramble but I hope I contributed something.

Watch David explain the plot gaps of Prometheus: (funny parody!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrRGRSLI-0w

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