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My explanation of the entire movie

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I'll start off with David. David is a creation of man. Man has a very clear perception of what David should be, his purpose and what should be expected of him. We build machines to aid us in a wide spectrum of tasks. We build with the notion that no machine should ever surpass us, present any danger to us or compete with us. We build cautiously and as you can imagine in the event of possible danger we will not hesitate for a single moment to destroy our creation(s). I think we can all agree on this as this is the plain truth which applies to us today and which will continue to apply in the future when David becomes a reality. In the case of David, the movie clearly emphasizes the fact that while he can surpass his creators in a variety of tasks he is designed to exhibit his differences in a minimum way as to create comfort for his creators. The movie also states that David has no soul and that no matter how hard he tries he will never become us. This also hints at the fact that should David ever defy his creators he will quickly become a threat to be dealt with. This is expected and I think we can all agree on this as well. Moving on to the engineers. They create just like we do. Why? Same exact reasons as ours - to build useful resources perhaps, to experiment to see how far they can evolve, to question their own origins and to possibly surpass their creators and become the ultimate creators themselves. The movie starts with a sacrifice. The habitat is formed and the sacrifice is made. The black goo is a production factory if you will. An accelerator, a catalyst, a glue if you will. Now back to our creations. What happens you supply the assembly line with parts? They get assembled into something - first other parts which then go to form other parts and in the end the final product. What happens if you place the finished product onto the same assembly line? It gets destroyed simply because the assembly line is designed to start of with smaller building blocks. This is what happens to the engineer in the opening scene. He gets disassembled by the same process which is designed to form the building blocks of new life. As time goes by, the engineers are happy with their creation. They revisit earth at various time in history to observe, perhaps collect even. As proven by pictograms. At the same time they move through the endless galaxies and continue to create. Edit: the above proves that the engineers were fine with us and having had multiple opportunities to wipe us out (with the goo or any other weapon) they clearly didn't. The goo is an extremely potent bio-tech product and is kept at several remote storage facilities that house the necessary components as well as terraforming and goo delivery vehicles. As a testament to their achievement the engineers even have statues signifying that they rise above all and life is their creation. Think science over religion. Science says there is no god and that we are the makers of our own destiny. At some point there is a breach in one of the storage units and the engineers are exposed to the consequences of an experiment gone wrong. They are all presumed dead and the planet quarantined. Our group arrives at the quarantined planet. Everyone has their own agenda. David wants a soul, he wants to be the same as us, wants to come as close as possible to being a creator or engineer as us and now as the aliens. This is nothing different from what we do every single day and what the engineers do. The creation strives to become the creator. David purposely infects one of his creators and watches. The amount is small yet it starts the process of decomposition. Problem is the process is slower than what it meant to be so the assembly line is actually assembling while it is disassembling. Life emerged from the sea. Creation of the first building blocks was designed this way. Thus we get the squid-looking thing. It's a predator, naturally, no need to explain why. Yet it isn't what it was supposed to because the process was all wrong. Back to the engineers. While all were presumed dead, one survived as he simply wasn't awoken with the reset for some reason. There could be many and it really does not matter why, that's slicing things too thin. So we now have a bunch of humans awakening this one engineer. Now this is berry important to understand: imagine yourself being woken up, stretching your muscles, getting your bearings straight and then realizing that you are surrounded by your own creations, now much more advanced having reached you where you never expected them to be. You are startled. All of a sudden one of them speaks in your language, the language you never taught any of your creations. Then on top of things you realize that this speaking being is not your creation at all but the creation of your creation and one that is quite possibly more advanced than any "life" form you've created. What now? Panic. Fear. The overwhelming need to eradicate this clear and present danger. You attack the most dangerous entity first and the proceed to destroy the rest. To you they are not your kind, they don't have your soul and they mean nothing. They are your machines. How dare they bring themselves so close to you, how dare they enter your realm. How many of them are out there? How far had they reached? You need to immediately alert your home and proceed to their home planet to stop this abdomination. This is exactly what the engineer does. You would have done the same. Is is by accident that the engineer becomes the victim of a hybrid product of his own creation - the very thing he was afraid of in the first place. The rest is history.
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i think you are spot on in your breakdown of the film.
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Completely agree, but I also think there are many different interpretations of the questions you asked. Why did the Engineers create us? The opening scene of the film is perhaps the hardest to interpret. We know that the suicide of the Engineer was the event that propagated human life on earth, but was this an accident or an attempt to create a new subordinate species to the divine rule of the Engineer? If we take the scene at face value, it would appear that the engineer was some form of dissident or maverick who was exiled by its own species for an unknown crime. Rather than live out its life in solitude, the engineer decides to take its own life through ingestion of the black goo (see below). It falls into the water and human life is started by accident. Either that, or the creation of new life was a last act of defiance against the regime. Another possibility was that the engineer was a test subject for the effects of the black goo, and its implications for the creation of new life. The engineers must have hypothesised the effects, and it would therefore make sense that these experiments in life giving were conducted away from their home planet to minimise risk. However, the third- and most likely- possibility is that the engineers knew full well the effects of the black goo and created life on earth simply for the same reason that we created David- because they can. The parable of Prometheus could therefore be applied as much to engineers as to humans- the experimentation of the engineers resulted in the creation of a species that would one day evolve to match their own 'divine' power and omnipotence. Hell, if we have the same DNA, whats not to say that the engineer species is the end product of the current human cycle. What was the black goo? The goo appears to be some form of biological weapon designed by the Engineers to catalyse mutation on three levels. If ingested, the goo would serve a self-destructive purpose (e.g Holloway and the Engineer at the very beginning of the film). If contracted, the effect appears to be enhanced physical strength and uncontrollable aggression- even towards those of the same species. However, the third level- infection through intercourse- can be seen to have quite a different result altogether: the propagation of a new species. A new species that, if allowed to develop, would result in the creation of a Xenomorph. Why were the Engineers planning to use the weapon on us? In other words- did the Engineers want to wipe out the human race completely, or was there an other purpose for their visit to earth? The first option would present a very simple reason. The engineers planned to release the biological weapon 2000 years before the events of Prometheus, a time when Christianity was cementing itself as a dominant world religion. Perhaps the weapon was punishment for 'worshiping false idols' and losing sight of the real creators, a parallel to the story of Noah and the purging of sin from the world through destruction. Secondly, the engineers could have realised the mistake of leaving a star map for the humans to find and were returning to wipe us out before we became powerful enough to challenge them. This would tie in nicely with Weyland's statement 'we are the gods now'- the engineers wanted to destroy humanity before humans became strong enough to challenge their dominance. Unless... The earth was always just a biological testing ground and humans had reached the correct evolutionary stage for such testing. Maybe it was the breeding of a new weapon, a new, Alien shaped weapon... Just seen the film, so a bit all over the place. Really enjoyed it though.
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Interesting points but I disagree. I don't think the goo was ever a weapon. As soon as it disassembles the first engineer it starts building again. I think the engineers are representative of us. In other words the movie is meant to show part of an endless cycle: something created the engineers, they created us, we created David and David created a new species which then created the Something that will eventually become the Alien. Our beloved Alien wasnt a weapon at all. Simply a dinosaur if you will - a product of unforeseen events, a predator which has not had a chance to evolve spiritually and intellectually but has been granted with hybrid abilities making it physically more advanced. The good wasn't a weapon at all and the engineers never wanted to destroy us until we threatened them (him) and here is proof: If we were created by accident when all the engineers wanted is to test or deploy the goo as a weapon - why have they returned to earth so many times as duplicated by the pictograms recorded in history at various times and places and never wiped us out and in fact seemed to treat us well? The answer is simple, they were no more hostile or evil than us. They created.
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I agree to a certain extent, but there must have been a point at which relations with the engineers became less than magnanimous. I think that point must have been the advent of major world religion, and must have been around the time that the engineers decided to bring the goo to earth.
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Rounic - if the engineers didnt want to destroy us then why did the one that woke up go on a killing spree? As people have stated there are many different interpreations of the start which straight away - depending on how you view it effect your understanding of the rest of the film. For me the black goo is a mutagen but i dont beleive the xeno at the end is the first of itstype - its too much of a transformation. Look at what we know - black goo plus the maggots = the white snake things. Black goo + human sperm fertisling an egg makes a squid type embryo with the ability to reproduce and/or lay eggs fetuses - its hard to beleive that from 2 or 3 stages a xeno can randomly be produced. i think they were under pressure to put an alien in the film to appease people and will now have to cook up a theory to explain it at a later date. Another thing is that is the first alien then why is there a mural of an alien in the vase chamber? Its possible that this alien could go lay eggs inanother ship which is piloted by an engineer and ends up crashing on LV446 as the derelict but it is assumed the derelecit is much older than that?
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its been aluded to by scott that the point they turned (2000) years ago could be key so the religion theory is a good one - still looking at it logically what did they expect to happen - I dont think it can be as simple as oh they are worshiping other people we should kill them as they should have visited more often - besides they have murals dedicted to the alien in the ship themselves. It couldbe that they sent a messanger (jesus) who was crucified and so they took action but again that is dodgy ground for a sci fi film to go down on - if jesus was in reality a 8ft albino alien we would all know about it - unless they are going into da vinci code style cover ups etc then the film becomes more of a thriller rather than horror/sci fi. My greatest is fear is that the writers dont know the answers and that as they have left soooo many questions they will now have to shoehorn them into the sequal and being so many there are sure to be contradictions and more confusion
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I quite like the idea of one of the engineers being a prophet. Would like to see Scott pitch Jesus as an alien to Fox though haha, wonder how well that'd go down.
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i think the argument that there are two types of engineer is a good one otherwise a sequal just wont work - if they want us dead then shaw will arrive and be killed - end of story. she can only survie if she finds engineers who like humans. It wold also explain who released the goo on LV223 - are aliens that advanced going to allow their weapon to kill them - not just one ship but a planet full of ships( this is assumed as no other ships took off to kill earth). people have suggested that they may have asumed the mission to earth went ok and forgot about us as they had so many other planets to worry about but c'mon - thats not great military tactics is it - surely if one engineer can get himback to stasis (why go to stasis on an infected ship i dont know??!) then he can set off a warning beacon or communication?? my personal feeling is that shaw will get there and find the engineer species dead or extinct - otherwise it will be an enginer civil war in the vein of the sith vs the jedi which goes away from the ground reality the film is set in
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Christianity hadn't exactly become a major world player 2000 years ago, but that was closing in on the time when the major civilizations of the west and near east basically collapsed and we got the dark ages and took most of that next 2000 years just getting back to where we had already been. But it wasn't until 1500 years later when Europeans started unintentionally killing off the native populations of entire continents with foreign germs and then forcibly converting the small number that lived that Christianity became the world's major religion, so I doubt that had much to do with it.
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I just thought about this now – looking at the mural – it could be interpreted as the engineer controlling the beast as a pet. As per the Prometheus myth – what if another race of aliens “the creators” gave the “engineers” the means to create life (the black goo) which is what happens at the start of the film. As time goes by the engineers begin to abuse this gift (similar to humans and free will etc) and use the goo to create weapons (aliens) the mural shows an engineer with a “trained” possibly obedient xenomorph (bowing down in the mural) eventually the beast turns against its masters etc Yes it has some holes but I just think the mural msut be key – firstly it shows that the xeno created at the end isn’t the first one and secondly it shows how closely linked the two species are
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http://www.prometheus-movie.com/gallery/view/img/438 link to the mural
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Indeed, also i get the sense the black goo is more the biological form of radioactives. highly useful if harnessed correctly, but deadly if unsecured and used in incorrect manner.
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i think the black goo is a life form within itself like bacteria or somethin. And if infected it acts as a virus (like HIV or AIDS) and attacks the immune system, in which it is highly contagious. But if passed down to offspring like Shaw and Halloway's squid baby, it becomes the "perfect life form" primarily based off of its defense mechanism and is everything we all know to be the "xeno cycle." So Shaw and Halloway's squid baby only seemed interested in one thing, breeding, which is similar to the traditional queen xenomorph we've come to know in the original alien movies...thus, the perfect life form, whose primary intent is to evolve and breed.
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a guy has posted a theory on another board that the goo effects matter as an evolutionary accelerator - i know this is what most belive including myself but he goes on to say that it effects simple and complex organisms differently - so de-evoled creatures like the worms or sperms/egg inside shaw evolve into the hammerpedes and cuddles whilst if ingest by complex beins like holloway or the engineers it kills them as there bodies are at high stages of evolution
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I have no problem with most stretches made in this movie but what really isn't explained and makes no sense to me why the 'engineers' bandied around a starmap on earth that would lead us to a bioweapons lab( yes it is a bio wpn, RS pretty much confirmed it in a recent interview) If an alien lifeform is gonna effect our mythology in such a way there has to be a god damn good explaination. Just makes no sense and makes a complete mess of the movie.
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Devil's Advocate, not entirely sure but the mural picture you linked to, looks like two Engineer's, one with an exosuit/helmet and one without, fwiw. The clawed hand and spiked elbow are odd though. This one is definitely seems like a xeno... http://www.prometheus-movie.com/gallery/view/img/433
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Hurm, good point about an invitation to a planet dedicated to creating bio weapons. Hard to say, maybe it wasn't a source of bio weapons before? Certainly if all the Engineers needed were hosts for facehuggers in pursuit of some other goal involving xeno's, that could have been achieved an awfully long time ago without any invitations. In 'Alien', are the eggs a byproduct of a failure of some kind, i.e., the Engineer on that ship lost control and a Queen was the result ( along with the eggs ) or did he fail to deliver the eggs per the agenda?
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First off, like another had mentioned, I didn't buy the relationship of Shaw & Holloway, whose character as also mentioned before was TV show quality at best.  A poorly written character & poorly cast.  This film had almost a Battlestar Galactica cast feel to it.  Rapace was ok & deliberately not a Ripley ripoff, which was good but a stronger lead should have been written, maybe male this time, but obviously a male can't get pregnant.  Which I found strange in itself.  Why was David scanning her before awakening & seemingly no one else? He gained some info there.  AND it seemed to me she was the only one who was sick from cryostasis...( morning sickness?) It had been since 2089 that we last saw her & then she is awakened  from cryo in 2094 after 2 yrs.  Was she possibly pregnant before leaving on Prometheus?  We were informed later & conveniently that she couldn't get pregnant so it's plausible she & Holloway had a little celebratory or typical last "romp" before a 2 yr. cryostasis, during which David obviously had been scanning her AND during which also the embryo she was miraculously carrying, unbeknownst to her, was also in cryostasis, which upon awakening she & Holloway would inevitably have an eventual "romp".  David knew this which is why he infected Holloway which may have triggered the conception OR accelerated it, in either case David was curious to begin a mutation for a new species & knew WHO to infect albeit under the guise of some sort of hostility between he & Holloway.  However, wouldn't she be infected also? Either through intercourse OR the fact that the freshly removed xeno, through cesarean, burst the sack, releasing infected xeno blood into her not yet stapled abdomen?  Will she not suffer the same result as Holloway?  Just my thoughts on that but something to consider.  Anyway, the two guys who got lost was a disaster part of the storyline...they run away from giant dead bodies & never mention they can't find their way back UNTIL it's too late?  And THEN the one wants to pet the little baby, pretty girl slithering overgrown parasite hammerhead!?  BS!!  THEN he winds up at the bay door like the THING?! …AND THEY OPEN UP THE DOOR?!    No way!  Another topic of discussion seems to be if they were on the same planet as in Aliens (LV426) or not.  This wreaks of  a City Alpha 5 scenario even if it turns out to be nothing in the eventual sequels, but it might help here.  The grossly old man Weyland was terrible & also wreaks of another character whose life was prolonged in hopes of the event of discovering a way to live longer or forever as in the old man in Contact.  It's a safe bet we'll probably see Guy Pearce in many flashbacks in eventual sequels which could only explain why they had him in the role in the first place. Janek was a waste of a potentially huge strong lead & probably should have been in this, instead he was just a somewhat rough space cowboy in minimal support, the new Yaphet Kotto, who was phenomenal in the classic.  Overall this was a bust & word of mouth over the next two weeks may just sink any sequel talk. I wanted this film/story to leave me in awe SO MUCH but it failed miserably & probably so because it deliberately set itself up to rely on sequels to answer all the questions, which is terrible to do!  Fassbender was terrific & Theron & her character Vickers were  under utilized.  This film was a letdown.  I liked the Engineers story but it was ruined amongst all the shortcomings of the rest of the story.  The absolute best part of the film was cinematography, that's it, but it can't do much at all to save this film. Extremely disappointed.

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