What Happened to the Engineers on LV_223?
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Chris
AdminEngineerJun 9, 2012Pinned Topic48600 Views315 RepliesIn Prometheus Fifield and Milburn stumble upon a pile of dead Engineers in their Bio-Suits in the East wing of the Alien Temple. Some of the Engineers show busted heads, others show busted rub cages. What could have caused this?
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Obviously, something got "out" in the Temple and prevented the Engineers from departing from LV_223 some 2000 years prior to the events of December, 2093.
When David activated the holographic recording of the Engineers running away from something, the crew follow them to entrance of the Ampule Room where one of the Engineers perished at the foot of the door before being decapitated by it.
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Why were the Engineers seeking refuge in the Ampule in the first place? Where did they go? Were they eventually found in that room and dragged to where Fifield and Milburn discover their dead remains?
Also, where are the beings responsible for this? Did they disappear? Or perhaps did they hijack one of the other Juggernaut Space Vessels as it was attempting to escape and this is what brings us to ALIEN? Could the original Xenomorph creation (Seen in the Mural) be the cause of this massacre? Could they have gotten on one of the ships without the Engineer knowing? Or was this something else? Could it have been a different breed of Alien?
An interesting thing to note is that the way in which the Engineers were all gathered in one place and then killed (I'm assuming) mimics that of what we see in ALIENS and even a deleted scene of ALIEN - where the Xenomorphs drag their victims to a spot, near the Hive's core where they can be impregnated and the offspring born without danger.
Could an Alien Hive have been created on LV_223 inside the Engineer Temple? Could a premature Queen have emerged and started reproducing and forming a Hive?
If so, then what caused them to disappear? Why did Fifield and Milburn not discover Hive resin on the walls? Or any remains from the antagonists? Could the Aliens have ventured to another Temple in search of more hosts? Or did the Engineers find a way to stop them somehow?
This topic contains many, many, many questions for you all to dissect and speculate over. Post your thoughts and opinions on this here! Hopefully we will get our answer when Prometheus 2 surfaces!
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Hey Guest, want to add your say?

I8bugsJune 16, 2012
I don't think the black goo went past the infection stage when the engineers from the hologram died.The Alien was only born through Elizabeth and infected Charles having sex which allowed the goo to inherit the reproductive trait which lead to the squid that inpregante the last Engineer at the end.
Without this the goo only seems to transform whatever lifeform it comes into contact with into a aggressive predator.The cobraliens didnt inpregnate the scientist it just killed him
I like Xenjon's theory

Can EmedJune 17, 2012
Good questions Chris... we wonder too with my friends in last week..
I think something else for that...
I think the Engineers had encounter another different technologic race which they are against on war with...
There is so much things unanswered on Prometheus,
If the Engineers created the Humanity just like the beginning of the Movie with sacrifice.. Then it is completely out of reason that why they are try to wipe-out life on earth?
I think there is a war with another technologyc civilisation maybe like Predators (Youtjas), for that they are also pictured in AVP for some kind of gods on earth. The Engineers is also a god becouse they spread the life on earth. And so there is a war between them. Maybe it is the reason that in Predator 2 movie the Predator's ship contains a collection of rotted skulls of Engineers.
If it is the case, than maybe the Engineers does not want to wipe-out earth from life.. Maybe they simply choose the Earth as "Warground" against with Yotjas .......
But Antonino may right, becouse the Pilot-Engineer is behaves like an insane and suspicious...
Carter 5June 17, 2012
I was hoping that the pile of bodies with burst chests and holes in there heads may show signs of being killed by the "Predator" it would have made a very nice twist to the film ? would also answer the question of what they were running away from when trying to get to the Amulet room for safety and why there were no survivors?

HyperNovaJune 17, 2012
LV 223 is a super sized version of our very own Area 51 here on Earth in some way. Militaristic agendas, labratories, experimentations, alien technology (apparantly) alien bodies, UFO's (Juggernaughts 1 and 2 maybe more), military technology of the age and of the particular race in question.

Charles Austin MillerJune 17, 2012
*****SPOILERS*****SPOILERS*****SPOILERS*****SPOILERS
This first film of the franchise pretty much answers the OP, if you watch the movie closely...
The "Engineers" of LV223 are NOT the same "Engineers" who visited Earth hundreds of centuries earlier. The "giants" depicted in the cave paintings on Earth are what we would call "fallen angels" (in Judaeo-Christian religion) or even "Titans" in Greek mythology.
Essentially, these [i]fallen Engineers[/i] are responsible for contaminating Mankind with the genetic characteristics and godlike AWARENESS of their Creator. As you know from reading Judaeo-Christian and Greek mythology, the ULTIMATE Creator (God, or Zeus) was NOT happy when Humanity came into possession of godlike knowledge.
So... The Heavenly Angels (or Olympian Gods) are STILL waging a war to eradicate the fallen angels (or Titans). This also means eradicating the OFFSPRING of the fallen angels... Which is US, Humanity.
To this end, the Engineers of LV223 were manufacturing BIO-WEAPONS intended for use against the [i]fallen angels[/i] AND Mankind. LV223 was a facility for development, storage and distribution of these hideously advanced bio-weapons.
The captain of the [i]Prometheus[/i], in a leap of understanding, even states as much.
At some point in the remote past, there was a leak of the biohazardous material, that infectious organic sludge stored in mass quantities aboard the awaiting Engineer ships.
The ancient holograms discovered on LV223 tell the story. There is a spill, the Engineers go scrambling for cover, some finding safety in the suspended animation cocoons, while others commit suicide before their heads explode.
This basically shuts down the Heavenly offensive against Earth for several thousand years.
Which is just long enough for Earthlings to develop their technology and retrace the path of the "fallen angels" to their home system (or home constellation, anyway). Whereupon we awaken the Heavenly angels and trigger their bio-weapons anew.

Can EmedJune 17, 2012
Hey Charles! ..you are brilliant! :)
if that is the case, than the rounded-vessel (UFO Like ship) on the beginning (sacrifice scene) is belongs the "fallen angels" which are the "Rebellion Engineers" (the ones that spreads life on earth)
And so we can say that the Engineers are on some kind of "Civil War" going on...
dude this is huge!!!!
Hadley's HopeJune 17, 2012
So let me get this straight... Angels, that can oversleep the call to go bring Judgement Day upon the puny Earthlings?
And why do angels install 3d holographic CCTV in their hideouts?
Hadley's HopeJune 17, 2012
[u]Then the Alien would only be a kind of evolution. Then the worm, a creature with tentacles would be only a part of this evolution with an Alien as the final result?
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Not the worms no. Put them in black goo, you get those cobra-alien things.
Put a human or engineer in it though... now you're talking.
Look at how Fifield could still see with no eyes (destroyed by acid) and could jump around like a ninja killing anyone he could grab. Put the rubber suit on him, and that's a scene from Aliens.
Except he probably would be missing some of the tubes and other things of a normal Alien.
Space jockeys, though, they have biomechanical suits with tubes and things. They could morph into a classic Alien
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[u]Now, When the astronauts enter the temple where it has the giant head, they see a mural in which has a Xenomorph. What does this mean? Did the aliens already existed a long time and maybe this was one of the reasons why the death of Engineers?[/u]
Well if you want to see everything as religious it could be a 'prophecy'... or more logically, yes it means that those things have been around a while, and they are the type of thing that Engineers would run from.
VitorJune 17, 2012
I was thinking here. Why an Alien came out of the body of the Engineer at the end of the film.
David put that black goo on Hollyway drink, then Hollyway and Shaw had sex, and then the parasite entered the body of the girl who produced that giant creature with tentacles. But then comes another question, when that giant monster tentacles was attacking the Engineer, leaves another completely different creature, which would be the Alien. So in this case we have here the black goo, the worm, the monster with tentacles and Alien .. And I can not understand it, this kind of evolution.
Does anybody have an explanation ?
Hadley's HopeJune 17, 2012
@Vitor, ever hear of Liver Fluke (Fasciola Hepatica)?
The adult lays eggs, which when they hatch are NOT the thing that will grow into another adult; it's called miracidia, and once hatches has 24 hours to find a host and lay these little squiggly things, which lay another and another version, each more complicated but still carrying the same DNA, to make the adult, after emerging from the snail it clings to wet grass and is eaten by a cow, where it will then infect the liver to start again.
And other worms can have more stages, while still resulting in the same creature at the end although the shape can be different depending on the host.
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VitorJune 17, 2012
Then the Alien would only be a kind of evolution. Then the worm, a creature with tentacles would be only a part of this evolution with an Alien as the final result?
Now, When the astronauts enter the temple where it has the giant head, they see a mural in which has a Xenomorph. What does this mean? Did the aliens already existed a long time and maybe this was one of the reasons why the death of Engineers?

RubirosaJune 17, 2012
Sorry to disappoint you @face_hugger, but there are no Predators in this Alien/Prometeus created franchise. If you want to see Predtors then you should go see the AVP movie. That will hopefully satisfy you.
Tom O'HawkeJune 17, 2012
This is my first post, so please be gentle. I've watched this movie twice now, and the second time I picked up a few things that I missed. I feel this movie is like a magic trick, making you focus on something else, and then not understanding how it came to the final outcome.
1. The opening scene with the engineer. He is on the opposite side of the waterfall to the ship. This wouldn't have been easy to get to, surely this has some significance?
2. The planet where he sacrifices himself. I don't believe this is earth, nor is it millions or billions of years ago. I believe that the images where the dna stops breaking down, and then starts to change into cells and then multiply quickly all happens in real time. It would explain why hammerpede's grow so quickly, as well as cuddles, chest bursters, etc.
3. The black goo is 'god'. David alludes to this (big things small beginnings), and the substance itself breaks down the host and develops it into a survival machine that can reproduce.
4. We were put on Earth by engineers. They came an checked on us, and took us away to experiment on us. Cave paintings could be showing us where they took us.
5. I believe there is significance with the human head on top of the dome structure. Maybe thats where they experimented on humans. Other domes could be other species. I'd say each dome had 4 research engineers (as per ship cryo-stasis pods). There were at least 10-15 engineer bodies in a pile.
6. When the engineer wakes, he has similar tendencies to Ripley when she awakes in the Alien series, not wanting the disease to spread. I believe he comes after her because as a female she has a womb where they can reproduce, and maybe the alien takes on the womb like qualities. I didn't notice any female engineers. This could be on purpose.
7. There were different size urns. Everything else seemed pretty uniform in size, but there were big and small urns. Maybe they had different purposes. David took one of the smaller urns.
8. The worms that turn into hammerpede's come directly from Davids shoe. I don't think that this is any accident that we see this. Shortly after this the urns start to bubble and we see the worms writhing around in the goo. I believe this was part of davids experiment for Weyland.
9. The captain and vickers are both synthetics. Both seem most aware of Weylands plans. The captain asks if Vickers is a robot, probably sensing that he himself is one. They might just be wired differently to David. See Call in Resurrection. Doesn't seem much point in Vickers having a male only medi-bed. Plus Vickers is so much younger than her ' father', and he doesn't look like a hugh hefner. The Captain synthetic is charged with keeping Earth safe, hence why he takes down the ship.
10. LV 223 is LV 426. Wouldn't surprise me if Weyland Corp names the planets, and conveniently changes the name of it, hence why the go looking for it in Alien. Deacon goes back to the fallen ship and cuts itself to make the hole in the floor before laying tonnes of eggs.
aresJune 17, 2012
The engineers seemed to be killed by you typical xeno. How do xenos kill A. they plant you with eggs, and B. they give you a lobotomy, as seen in every alien film. Not hard to figure out.
ErunarJune 18, 2012
The sacrifice at the beginning is the core of this movie (If you watch the movie again with this in mind, then maybe it will actually make sense).
Let me ask you this:
1. Would you be willing to sacrifice your life to create life?
2. Would you be willing to sacrifice your life to save many more?
The engineers are willing to sacrifice themselves to kickstart life on earth (and assumingly other planets as well), so i'll also assume they would sacrifice themselves to save lives. That being said, the engineers view on life and death seems to be radically different than ours.
Humans are selfpreserving, egocentric and greedy, but our biggest flaw, I think, is our inability to accept death. (have you noticed societys obsession with prolonging life. Dont eat this, dont do that, it may be fun but it'll give you cancer). In the end were all dead, right?
Another interesting thing is, and nobody mentions this, am I the only one who thinks Humans are the bad guys in the movie? The engineers didn't create us, and then decide to destroy us for no reason, right? We did something 2000 years ago (my guessing) to cause the engineers death on LV-223.
So, youre an engineer.
You wake up after 2000 years of hypersleep, only to find the humans are now here asking for eternal life, oh, AND showing of their own creation, David, who is in contrast with everything you believe.
Psycho3DJune 18, 2012
Antonio77 Then why did he put himself in Stasis, and didn't go ahead and take off , since there was no one to stop him
ErunarJune 18, 2012
LV-223 is the Engineers most sacred place... the temple of life/creation
The black goo is creation itself, but it can only create what is in the soul of whoever it comes in contact with (seen THE SPHERE?)
So, for the engineers, who are pureminded and willing to sacrifice themselves to create life, it does just that... But when humans find it, it manifests the darkness in the human soul. Also, David has no problem even touching it with his bare skin (no soul, eh).
So, what did happen to the engineers?...
I'm thinking stowaway... When the Engineers came here last (2000 years ago), i'm thinking someone (human obviously) wanted to ascend to the heavens with "the gods", and hitched a ride. Upon arrival to LV-223, the black goo got tainted... Make any sense?
joelkinJune 18, 2012
Here's my two cents: The engineers are an advanced civilisation who roam the universe, occasionally seeding worlds with their DNA. Why? Because they can. Wouldn't you? On their travels they encounter the xenomorph, which is the pinnacle of evolution. They worship/deify it, and they seek to emulate it, being technologically advanced. They take a sample of xenomorph eggs, which they value VERY highly as they worship the species. They build a base on LV 223 (their home planet at the time- hence the maps on Earth). There they find they cannot adequately recreate the xenomorph but they come close using a powerful viral agent built on a modification of the substance they use to seed planets with their DNA, creating the imitation species of the Dreacon. IT GOES WRONG. Because they worship the xenomorph, a ship tries to rescue the eggs, but the pilot is infected with a DREACON facehugger, and stops off on LV 426 to die. The hole in his rib age at the start of Alien is from a Dreacon, not a xenomorph, and the xenomorph eggs are OK. (Alien happens, obviously). Meanwhile on LV 223, the instillation is destroyed by the Dreacon species, with some of the pilots trying to escape (to anywhere, COINCIDENTLY to Earth) but they never make it- the Dreacon wipe them out. The engineer at the end of Prometheus is angry because his species has been all but anihilated (though not necessarily extinct), and David has told him something that we don't know, that's pissed him off. This is probably all wrong by the way... : )

Hive GrownJune 18, 2012
Did anyone notice that one of the stasis pods had a ripped hole in it. I noticed this each time David visited the site. Could this be what took care of the engineers? Comments please. For reference look at the movie stills.
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Hive GrownJune 18, 2012
Just a thought. I believe that David found some slime on some of the markings on the walls that he touched in a certain configuration and the wall or door was opened. I think he also made a comment like "impressive" when smelling the found slime/goo.
Hadley's HopeJune 21, 2012
Well, I wouldn't usually dare to contradict Ridley Scott, but in this case I think it's worth questioning whether he is pulling the wool over your eyes.
He had already been asked if this was Gliese 86 according to reports. And what does he say?
"The planet where they go is called Zeta 2 Reticuli, which actually is an existing moon, just off Io"
Zeta 2 Reticuli is not a moon, it's a star. It's not 'off Io" This is nonsense.
Why does he say it then? I think it's for the same reason that if someone asked George Lucas, just after Star Wars "Hey is that Darth Vader dude related to Luke Skywalker"
Lucas would have said... "No... Vader is a Sith, not a Jedi" rather than "sure, but try to still be surprised when he confronts him in the sequel will you?".
In this case Ridley Scott has a genuine motive to mislead us.
For one, thing with LV 426 being light years further away from LV 223, it pretty much rules out the idea of a ship heading from LV 223 to Earth making an Emergency landing on LV 426. That would be like a flight from London to Athens making an emergency landing in Dublin.
Hi Eddie. I think Lindelhof said "definitively" rather than "Definitely". I.e. it certainly answered the question one way or the other.
Again, if they didn't want to keep us guessing, they would have explained it in the film, and why would the blurt out the answers while it's still on release?
I think the DNA match, plus the atmosphere inside being perfect for humans, and a docking system where they can go straight from the ship to the lower levels of the "dome", even though the Space Jockeys can breathe in the poison outside, is proof that the place has been built for humans to be brought there.

Can EmedJune 19, 2012
Hey guys, last night I re-watched the whole Alien Quadrilogy just for the possible details that we can missed on Prometheus..
Does anybody also aware that in Aliens (2), Ripley discussed her encounters with his employers (in beginning after her rescue).. and during the end of the discussion, her employer tells that there is a "Terraforming proggress" on LV-426 (renamed LV-223).. And he also tells Ripley that the amount of Terraformed planets are currently in 70's ...
And when the team arrives on the LV-426, the surface is completely breathable.
On the Prometheus we see that the Humans has not capable on such technologies currently..
The LV-223 is barren-planet and completely unbreathable.
But we see that the Derelict Ship of Engineers can capable on such technologies, and the interiour of the derelict-ship is completely breathable.. So on the Prometheus we see that the Derelict-Ship contains a technology that can convert the atmosphere in to breathable surfaces.. And can terraform the planet.. So the Engineers has the technology of "Terraforming Planets"..
So am I only one that aware that in the future-Prometheus, it is possible that the Humans did contact with the Rebelled-Space Jockeys, and learn from them for Terraforming Technology directly from them...
İt is the only possible explanation... :O
Eddie RipleyJune 19, 2012
Hi,
I may be missing something here, but isn't it obvious that xenomorphs killed the Space Jockeys*?
And there is something else that confuses me in this thread. I had thought that the planet in PROMETHEUS is the planet in the same one in ALIEN and ALIENS, and that Shaw's last transmission is the message that Ash picks up in the Nostromo (and he deceives them into going).
I thought the crash was meant to tie directly into the scene in ALIEN. Althopugh, as I type I remember the Space Jockey was in the pilot seat in ALIEN wasn't he?
It has been over 15 years since I last saw these movies, so forgive the lack of knowledge.
Is the crashed ship in ALIEN a different one? Part of the fleet in PROMETHEUS perhaps?
* I'm not 100% certain that the Space Jockeys are the Engineers that Shaw is looking for.
Eddie RipleyJune 19, 2012
[quote]The giant sculpted head and the murals in the room -- quite striking since otherwise the base seems devoid of decoration -- suggest that it was a temple or otherwise had some emotional significance to the Engineers. Not a place one would normally use to store weapons.[/quote]
To quote the great Admiral Ackbar, "it's a trap".
Perhaps the "temple" is meant to lull visitors into a false sense of security.
I gave my thoughts in another thread, but perhaps the "invitation" to come to LV-233 to visit "the gods" is just bait to infect us and bring the xenomorphs to Earth?
Zeta AquilaeJune 19, 2012
[i][quote]Let me ask you this:
1. Would you be willing to sacrifice your life to create life?
2. Would you be willing to sacrifice your life to save many more?[/quote][/i]
I would add:
3. Would you be willing to sacrifice your life to prove God exists (or doesn't)?

TTONKA71June 19, 2012
If Prometheus fans wants to find out more in details of all these events and whats to come, then read The Lost Book of Enki by Zecharia Sitchin!
I believe Ridley Scott base his science fiction on this book! The book is facinating! Has anyone read it?
P.S. The library of Congress has cataloged the hardcover edition as follows:
1.Civilization,Ancient-extraterrestial influences.
2.History
So I guess is not fiction!
carbon05June 19, 2012
You all very well know the predators pre-emptively attacked the mala'kak base, and would fit in very well in 'Paradise'/Prometheus 2. Earth was the one place predators and engineers have in common, and the humans had mala'k home galaxy mapped all over the place. Isnt kinda weird predators regularly practice on the humanoid mutation of the mala'kak weaponized black goo (aliens)?
VitorJune 19, 2012
@Hadley's Hope
That was a very interesting image that you posted on the previous page explain about the Species Origin. But I didn't understand some images.
The first line, is that a Engineer as a result ? And what would be that blue thing on the first line ?
That black face would be what? A man infected with the black goo?
Prometheus_fan_left_with_questionsJune 19, 2012
In the first scene a Alien space craft of a different design of that of the Engineers' looked to have given the Engineer race of Alien what seemed to be black goo. It destroyes it's DNA and completely rewrites it in its own image. Probably why the engineers were hostile to humans.
Black goo effected male hosts differently than how it effected Shaw when she was pregnant with its genetic markers. Her female chromosome May have helped the black goo to mutate into the Huminoid Alien we all know and love. Where the male hosts simply had their heads burst.
The side chamber of the main canister chamber looked to be of a different culture than of the main chambers. It looked to me there was a figure of an "Alien" creature in a form of a crusifix. Muslims and Chrisitans always used each others temples when they conquered one another.
And why do they call David a robot when he is an android!?

GURGLETROWSERSJune 20, 2012
sorry the bodies were piled their by someone else tried to edit my response but i still think the suriving enginner was a instigator
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GURGLETROWSERSJune 20, 2012
Another thing why are the enginners were running around in their " space jockey : fly suits and better yet their helmets?
Were they heading out on their mission and just before launch and then they got interruptted?
also if one look at the pile of bodies, one can see in the foreground they are piled up pell mell, but in the back closer to the wall its seems the bodies are facing the wall as if they were averting their faces , as if they were panicking and actually scratching at the wall.
This leads me to believe it was a nano/bioweapon ouytbreak and it had effected their behaviour.
but it happened right before the moment of launch.
Good point about the enginner in stasis , maybe he was a plant, secretly distributed the nanovirus which then went through the air in the complex and then put himself into stasis to isolate himself .
when he got out his first reaction , confusion seeing these beings , so its get them out of the way and escape!!
getting to earth was perhaps NOT his objective.
PipitoneJune 20, 2012
A quick theory.
The Engineers are looked upon by the humans as our creators and gods.
The twist?
The Aliens are looked upon by the Engineers as their gods. They worship them. Their very existence is dedicated to propagating the advancement of the Alien. There are examples over and over again in human history where nature and/or animals/creatures have been worshipped as gods. Throughout the mythos of Alien, the Xenomorph are looked upon as the perfect organism i.e. pinnacle of existence, god.
The one drawback to the Alien is that they require a host for their embryo.
The Engineers are breed/cloned as vessels for the Aliens. Hence, the reason no obvious evolutionary advancement has occurred over the millions if not billions of years between the opening scene and where our current story has been taken to.
The Engineers terraform planets. Part of the terraforming process is seeding them with their DNA to mass create compatible Alien vessels. The purpose is for the expansion of the Alien hive to expand throughout the universe.
Why, 2000 years ago, were the Engineers getting ready to head to Earth?
Because it was time. The earths compatible species had almost gotten to the relative advanced point of evolution to reach out to the stars and potentially become a threat. This also explains why the Engineers visited throughout the millennia to check on their advancement. The Engineers were being worshiped but what they were trying to do was herald the coming of the real gods and where those gods came from.
The Aliens continued to do what they do and when an accident occurred at the distribution center for the advancement of their species, the Aliens took advantage of the situation and used the Engineers as their vessels again.
A lot more theories mulling around in my cranium but thats all I will put out there for now. What do you think?
Hadley's HopeJune 20, 2012
[u]The sacrifice at the beginning is the core of this movie (If you watch the movie again with this in mind, then maybe it will actually make sense).
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True. A lot of how you interpret the movie comes down to whether you assume that is Earth or not. There's nothing to show that it is, just our own guess, and of course that subliminal link in the following scene with the monolith that has a similar silhouette to the departing ship.
[u]Let me ask you this:
1. Would you be willing to sacrifice your life to create life?
2. Would you be willing to sacrifice your life to save many more?
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To save life a lot of people would say yes.
But to create life? We can already do that. If I kill myself before I have kids, I'm preventing the creation of my kids, their kids, etc.
[u]The engineers are willing to sacrifice themselves to kickstart life on earth[/u]
Apart from whether or not it's Earth, what makes you think the folks running the show sacrified THEMSELVES and not some schmuck that they consider expendable as an individual,
For all we know, they could be space Nazis and that's their prisoner being sent to drink the poison. And does he even know it's poison?
[u]The engineers didn't create us, and then decide to destroy us for no reason, right? We did something 2000 years ago (my guessing) to cause the engineers death on LV-223.[/u]
Did you consider that perhaps they didn't create us?
did you consider that whatever first visited us, we haven't seen it, and what was seen on LV 223- the Space Jockey may not be an Engineer, but the result of tampering with humans abducted on the visits to make strong, obedient slaves for dangerous work, like being sacrificed and working with that black goo, on a remote moon far from friends and family (no wife no kids... and centuries of sleep between jobs)
And if we did something 2000 years ago (when we didn't have bicycles, never mind spacecraft) that caused harm on LV 223, explain why the two visits AFTER that didn't bring mass revenge?
Hawaii was not settled by humans until the 4th Century and the cave drawing there was dated 7th Century.
I think there was a Sumerian one from a little bit earlier also.
Hadley's HopeJune 20, 2012
Vitor, I'm saying that the Engineers (i.e. the ones running the show) and Space Jockeys are not the same thing.
That Engineers first came to Earth 35,000 years ago, took some humans, and with their ability to manipulate DNA, and through selective breeding, they created the big grey slaves Space Jockeys.
I'm also saying that I think the black goo was slowly turning Fifield into a kind of Xenomorph and with time, it would have completed the process, if he hadn't been squashed and burned. (He certainly acted like a Xeno, crouching, leaping, and attacking.)
Add the black goo to a Space Jockey and his transfomation will be a little different because of the biomechanical alterations, and that's why we see tubes and other biomechancial bits on adult Xenos.
kaiserschwarczJune 20, 2012
We saw in the movie that the decaptated head was infected by the black goo. That is the only explanationto what happened to it when Shaw tried to reanimate it.
There is not enough information to know for sure what happened in LV-223. I can think in three explanations:
1) The worms-alien, infected by the black goo, spread through LV-426 killing the engineers. and that was why they were running in the holograms.
2) They could benn running from one or more engineers infected by black goo. I think that is an weak option since whe saw in the first scene of the movie that engineers just die when infected by the goo. Unless the black goo in LV-426 was an diferent substance/organism tranformed and corrupted from the original. The orinal was an instrument to brings life to new planets (with the expanse of one engineer life), while the second present in LV-426 was an Weapon of mass destruction.
3) If this second black goo was diferent from the original, it coul have created a xenomorph by the infection of a engineer. There was an sculpture of a xenomorph in the mural of the ampule room. That can mean they already know the creature. Since the engineers dna is almost exactly like ours I cant imagine why the alien couldnt exist whithout human participation in its creation.
The that last option, I must say that I belive the facehugger and thus the xenomorph can be created only by the infection of a female (be it human or engineer), and that was the reason why they havent any engineers women in LV-223. It was a safe measure. But if they were testing the creation of xenomorphs, they must have some females to serve as facehuggers "mothers". As we saw many different civilizations in Earth had contact with the engineers and despicted then pointing to LV-223, I guess the engineers could have been abducting humans during the centuries and taking then to use in their experiments.
I read somewhere that LV-223 andLV-426 are in the same star system. So We can assume that 2000 years ago, one of the engineers ship was able to scape from LV-223 but they were already infestated by xenomorphs. The pilot died with the xenomorph borning from his chest and the ship crashes into LV-426.
Hadley's HopeJune 20, 2012
[u]I read somewhere that LV-223 andLV-426 are in the same star system.[/u]
If you mean constellation, then yes, one of the other six dots. But not the same soalr system.
I don't think so. LV 426 is orbiting a gas giant around Zeta 2 Reticuli, 39 light years from Earth.
LV 223 is orbiting a gas giant around a star about 35 light years from Earth.
So that's a huge difference of 4 light years, which is the distance from our solar system to Alpha Centauri.
Hadley's HopeJune 20, 2012
Just because shaw got infected through sex, doesn't mean that facehuggers need a female to be generated.
If you look at a comparable life cycle, like liver fluke, it has one stage that infects and snail, then produces a few more stages, exits the snail, and then and adult version infects a cow /bull or goat, to start the cycle over again. It doesn't matter whether the cattle or goat is male of female, it will still produce in it's liver the organism that will infect the snail.
NiceYoungFriendlyManJune 20, 2012
OK Fellas just to clarify things. I know most of you already know this but some don't it seems. The events of Prometheus inside the Pyramid of the Engineers and around it are on a DIFFERENT PLANET than the derelict in the first alien movie. Like many others, I have bought the book Prometheus-Art of the Film, by Mark Salisbury, foreword by Ridley Scott. One hundred percent official. And now I will quote from this book:
"And with the hiring of screenwriter Damon Lindelof, the script became a standalone story, one which "shares DNA" with Alien, but is not a direct prequel, and not set on LV-426 ("That's another planet", confirms Scott).
shanecJune 20, 2012
In the ampule room it cannot be ignored that the vases are aligned in a configuration and spacing pattern very similar to that which a xenomorph queen employs when laying her eggs. Though not containing facehuggers, or any organism that falls within the known lifecycle of the xeno, the vases do contain, apparently, the catalyst for transforming other organisms into surrogates of that lifecycle architecture or imbuing organisms with similar traits. Charlie is exposed to the black goo and his sperm becomes something akin to a large facehugger with the ability to deposit xeno larva. Even the mutated worm’s natural inclination was to go down the throat of its victim Millburn. Though Charlie dies before it is known exactly how the goo would ultimately manifest, all other mutations exhibit the same generally violent disposition as a xeno, especially the antagonist engineer who is awakened from sleep.
Now look closely at the xeno mural. The arms and what can be seen of the right hand are humanoid. No claws, no exoskeletal elements, but smooth, fleshy and muscular. It’s a hybrid. Perhaps not unlike the xeno who emerged in the final scene, who incidentally bared human teeth and gums. It was a hybrid whose unique characteristic was the presence of human DNA early in its lifecycle.
Look closely at the antagonist Engineer. He and his shipmates (as seen in the holograms) wear suits whose visual cues are strikingly similar to xeno physiology and to the design in the mural. Or are those suits? The Gigeresque textures appear to extend beyond the supposed flight suit and are apparent on the skin of the neck and forearms of the antagonist. He is not the same as the sacrificial engineer of the prologue. He is a hybrid or in some state of hybridization.
He and his kind are a splinter group of engineers and they worship or otherwise revere the xenomorph, who perhaps they encountered in their interplanetary travels. We can deduce from the Alien film that they were in possession of eggs or maybe even a queen. When that became unmanageable, they derived a process whereby the DNA is extracted to a solution which they could use in their transformation. This process became as a religion to them and the sacrament was stored in jars before an alter in a temple. They would not be the only ones in this universe to come to admire the xeno and wish to exploit its more beneficial traits (Weyland).
Eventually the solution becomes unstable or uncontrollable as all incarnations of this strain do. Some die of its ill internal effects (exploded heads), others become incubators (exploded ribs), some may well have been killed by external mutations of native species (imagine a xeno amoeba). Others still may have fallen at the hand of their bretheren who had gone mad with xeno rage. Ultimately, they cannot achieve the desired effect of the hybrid process.
Yet we see how the addition of the human to the chain creates a stable hybrid. Although they share the same DNA as Engineers, if humans are, for whatever reason the key to a stable hybrid, and if the Engineers arrived at this conclusion, then this would explain Earth being the Engineer crew’s destination. Not to destroy per se, but to create the ultimate species by way of introducing our race into the process. Remember, this scenario relies on the LV-223 faction as having their own motivations outside that of the greater Engineer race. So perhaps it is their point of view that we humans are theirs to do with as they will.
I’ve been pondering this for a few days, and that’s the best I could do. Feedback appreciated.
kaiserschwarczJune 20, 2012
Hadley,
Oddly as it may seen, the two moons are in the same planetary system. It is Ridley Scott himself who said that. Take a look at this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5DayJEPzk8
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