What Happened to the Engineers on LV_223?

Prometheus Explained from my perspective: Opening: Bringing Life, the true “Engineers”. Life forms that saw it as a mission to go about the Galaxy “seeding” planets even to the point of sacrificing their own life. Hopeful and expecting to see beings rise from their own DNA to bring company and different solutions to the Galaxy. Though this being looks nearly identical to the beings they contact on the planet, it is not. Much larger! (Original Space Jockey). This being has smooth skin very similar structure to humans, where as the beings encountered by the crew where smaller in size, had signs of infection, and the being in hyper-sleep was a little different all-together (I'll get there). The Paintings: Warnings, not invitations. These were warnings to the future generations, do not go there. As the true “engineers” visited their planets as they grew. The Moon Planet: This is an isolated moon that the True Engineers had made to contain the Xenomorph species. In their exploration of the galaxies, there was one species that came about that began to eradicate life with low intelligence that spread throughout the Galaxy adapting and killing. The True Engineers decided to eradicate the threat to all life but to store it's essence in a secure location because of their respect for life. Many planets were eradicated, terraformed, and seeded again with the True Engineers' own life and DNA as a way to live on and hope to drive evolution to intelligence and peace. The dead “Engineers”: were beings from one of the seeded planets that evolved more quickly and had a hands-on and closer relationship to the True Engineers that shows in their technology similarities. However, they saw the threat of the Xenomorph life form virus as one that needed to be irradiated. They set up base and began loading their ships to destroy it or move it to somewhere it will never be a problem. However, their plan went astray... The Bad Engineer in Hyper-Sleep: During the moving and storing on the ships an accident occurred (something unforeseen in storage maybe). One of the Engineers becomes infected (Much like when the human man was infected, had he not been burnt, he would have looked awesome) and begins to morph into something stronger, a little different, and a motivated with the will of the Xenomorph. He attacks and intelligently kills off his crew mates (shadows of them running). However could not leave the world to begin his own re-seeding the Xenomorphs, due to his crew being able to drain the power or somehow causing an atmosphere collapse or something of the nature to cause him to need the Hyper-Sleep without control of waking. The Bad Engineer Awakens: I'm sure you can piece this together. The Baby Alien from pregnancy: It attacks the Bad Engineer due to a natural instinct towards its true mother because it was brought in differently. Such as in Alien Ressurect. It did not have the Hive-Mind Xenomorph will, so it attacked and infected the Bad Engineer. The Deacon Alien: Does not have Xenomorph will. It has some predatory instinct from Xenomorph, intelligence from Engineers, curiosity and cleverness from Mankind. A new life-form all together. Neither Xenomorph nor truly Engineer/ Human. How will it breed? How will it interact with other life forms? Will it be misunderstood? How intelligent is it? The Downed True Engineer, Space jockey ship from the Original series: Boarded by Xenomorph and lost during their eradication campaign. Where are the Android and Girl going: Not sure, but maybe to get answers and will cause an “accidental” outbreak of Xenomorph and maybe later could make a good Xenomorph vs Deacon movie? Will Man and Engineer alike lay down their lives to stop the Xenomorphs and work with the Deacons?

I personally think that the Engineers in the recording, running down the hall, were running from a human. Look what happened to Fifield. This comes from the Murals and Artifacts that were found with the system configuration. Why would these Engineers draw on walls, or fabricate these tablets with the origins of where they were at? I believe they 'showed' us humans, by bringing us there to 'experiment' on. But that's me. Also there were more chambers that weren't explored.

I think the opening scene has been lost a little here too. There is a sense of betrayal here. Its starts out as if the lone figure opening the spheroid vial and drinking deeply, was expecting something more like the elixir of life. Until now their Xenophon enemy is not portrayed as technologically superior, but rather just one hell of a tough persistent insectoid. How about some more thought and discussion on this.

I agree with Antonio. as far as I'm concerned , LV-223 was a secret bioengineering lab and test facility. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out there was obviously an outbreak. and it was contained but at the exspense of the "Enginneers" who perished.? And the curious humans came along and as usual screw things up. Hence the sleeping Enginner who went ballistic after being "awaken" too early. the "eggs" containing the "Xenomorph" DNA. look back at when Kane noticed them in Alien 1.0

A question to me was why didn't other Bee Hives come to investigste the Prometheus landing? THer eis too much effort to establish the base and the pyramids and the Juggernauts not to have a security of at leasyt a warning system to their home. I like the Bioengineering lab thread..and could apply here. Our earthlings may not have caused a screw up,,but they certainly stumbled across a disaster in the Engineer's world. I do hope that there is some explanation of what this moon is all about before going on to meet the Creators and the rest. I already assume we are the entities with the least knowlege of what is really going on..bottom of the cosmic scale so to speak. It is time for David/Shaw to kick some &^%&* a** and become a player in the Universe!

So a little plot twisting may be needed but here it goes: What if the room is similar to a panic-room you go lock yourself in the head where you may also have sacrificed yourself by becoming infected, but given shelter enough to harvest/birth a xenomorph that would take out what remained of the threat. I am pretty sure I recall David stroking the obtuse side of the vase previous to saying “curious, it’s organic?” or the like. If indeed he where touching the goo itself, I doubt we would have needed the drama of his contact with a mere spec of it, though it’s potencies and the variables that writers introduce us to seem cemented by nothing, except the goo is somehow being designed specifically to become something evil/ innocent at some beings will (but isn’t that just pray for the cats), if Engineers are anything like the other aliens I will speak of. So who could escape visual detection and has shared our universe too? I know some will hate me for saying this. What other aliens have humans come in contact with that would give two cruds what happened to us? What if they don’t want to see their corporate retreat destroyed? Maybe they like the mini Engineer inhabitants, which are oh so easy to clean. They eventually get over run by xenomorphs and abandon the mission figuring if any survive they will just destroy them from orbit. No one leaves the surface, so they go home, with place crawling with xenomorphs, that I guess lie dormant somewhere.

@infidel [i]we don't know that the ampules, or the goo, were even in that room 2,000 years ago when that event happened.[/i] So they brought the ampules and took time to sculpt a big head and paint the walls but didn't bother swiping the head off the floor? Sounds very unlikely.

The playing of the hologram and the placement of the decapitated heasd were left as a trail for the crew members to follow. We can discuss why the Running Engineers were even presented to the crew due to David's actions but the result is the discovery of the Big Head Room. This sort of ties into WhiteW01f's comments about them not letting any xenos escape from the moon. The dying Engineers knew that the goo and resulting morphing that would take place if any visitors toured the tunnels would be wiped out as they themselves were. The result was the same. Nobody or no thing will leave this moon alive. So just leaving the head laying on the floor does seem unlikely but might still be explained.

Yeah I was just wanting to ask Infidel753 to consider that his temple concept could... ...be a place to store inert grenades (weapons), if you are a really sinister being with lots of enemies. Disbeleivers who enter this temple will serve the greater purpose by activating the grenades and taking a little evil home.

They were killed by humans. Fifield said it remind him of a "Holocaust painting' (why "painting" I wonder) - what species carried out the Holocaust?

Painting is a curious word choice. Based on what I could see in the brief scene it would have looked more like a sculpture. Even if humans were involves in the stack of Engineer bodies I doubt the physical means of doing this was humanly possible.

Painting is a very curious word. Doing a painting of the holocaust may be considered very bad taste. We have photos. It's a clue to Fifield's state of mind. Btw, did you notice Janek's complete non-reaction to Fifield's screen shot of the massacred SJs? He wouldn't have passed Deckard's Voight-Kampff test. If we can shoot the crap out of xenos, a few big white fellas shouldn't present any problems. The weapons in Prometheus were only pop guns; nothing like we're really capable of, even now.

"..Btw, did you notice Janek's complete non-reaction to Fifield's screen shot .." @javablue I sure did and wondered why Janek didn't respod to what Fifiels and Millburn were seeing. Alarm bells should have went off. Was there some waht to rescue the two during the storm? Ptobably not. Janel did nothing to console the two stranded in the tunnels. You mentioned Fifield state of mind. THis could be a thread to it's own. *We see Fified saying he was only in it for the money, *Fifield looked worried when entering the pyramid *When stranded wanting to send a message to Shaw THere were other scenes offering a glimpse into the Fifield charactor. All could be analyzed

Oh yeah, I honestly don't know the actor from other parts, but based on the characters responsibilty to keep his crew safe-he seems to be purpously non-chalant about them getting stuck in the caves, not even a discussion about attempts to send them extra supplies and air should things get worse, really? Maybe I am revealing another plot hole. Yeah I think Janek was pretty much following orders to leave those guys out there, perhaps he even fed them bad corridinates/directions to get them lost, cause they didn't lose comms right away.

Janek following orders? I had not thought of this plotline. Giving mis directions to the left Crew members just seems a bit cold for Janek. Could David have a role in this whole stranded storyline? Still you sort of wonder who did drive the Transport from the pyramid to the Prometheus.

I don't feel we need to know what the reason was that they were running down the hall. My reasoning is this. Since ths movie was about how the "alien" creature came to be. If you tried to explain how things there went so bad, you'd be setting yourself up behind the 8 ball before anything began because now you'd have to come up with something (an alien) as awesome as "alien" or "predator" that would match the ferocity and intelligence of either of these creations, to be worth being in the same facility as them. That would be an almost impossible task in itself, on top of having to create another amazing movie. Due to this, I think we should just focus on where the ship went, and what it experienced, in it's search for the home planet of the aliens that were running that facility.

Don't be side tracked by the distracting details. A hive? Resin? A queen? forget all that. This project is about Shaw and David and the opposite philosophies they represent.

Don't be side tracked by the distracting details. A hive? Resin? A queen? The Scream? forget all that. This project is about Shaw and David and the opposite philosophies they represent.

David put Earth in the Engineer's cross hairs. He did it just like he infected Holloway and smiled about both acts. It's in the movie. We all saw Holloway's infection. I challenge everyone to find the moment when DAVID put Earth in the Engineers cross hairs, blamed the Engineers for doing it and smiled about it.

[size=200]Hint: Ancient Holographic session[/size]

About that session. How could a holographic image, or what ever kind of image it is, turn the real time holographic system on? Answer; the flute. These ancient images carry sound. When the image of the long dead Engineer reaches for the flute, he doesn't pick it up. Only an ancient image of the flute is in his hand. The system doesn't know the Engineer is only an image. It hears the correct notes on the flute and turns on as commanded.

So very cool !! It's what happens next that reveals David as the greatest threat to the humans. Once you see that, everything else will take on a new prospective.

Please, somebody find that scene. I really feel like the Lone Ranger.

Why didn't the Engineers make sure their team on LV223 finished their mission? #1 They considered the Black Goo - their biological weapon of mass destruction - so dangerous & powerful that their personnel on LV223 were essentially on a semi-suicidal mission (and remembering the opening sequence of Prometheus - one can infer that their culture is not unfamiliar with individuals willingly sacrificing themselves): if successful they could return to the home planet, if not LV223 would be declared a permanent "no go". #2 The Engineer civilization itself suffered a major catastrophe shortly after the disaster on LV223 2,000 years ago and was unable or unwilling to follow up on their efforts on LV223. This opens up different avenues for stories: one that brings in the Predators as possible conquerors of the Engineers or the Black Goo causing the ultimate demise of the Engineer civilization.

Just wanted to follow on from infidel 753's earlier speculations about a crisis within the engineer civilization. It may be considered off canon, but in one of the third party books by Steve Perry the events leading up to the book 'Earth Hive' describes a lone engineer (helping some human survivors to fend off a xenomorph attack on an LV-esque planet, but only in order to follow the humans back to Earth) a mildly telepathic protagonist is able to partially interpret the intentions of the engineers. From what I recall, sorry I don't have the book handy anymore, she describes that the engineer feels lonely but also has a strong hatred of humanity and upon arriving at Earth is enjoying seeing it overrun with xenomorphs; it is also apparent that he has an even more intense hatred of the xenomorphs. Seeing that humanity is on the edge of extinction he leaves. Rather than deploy his heat rays on humans and xenomorphs alike. This indicates a few things: 1) That certain engineers have lost track of Earth's location, or never cared. 2) The engineers have an intensely hateful relationship with the xenomorphs; Possibly because they have suffered civilization destroying attacks from them. 3) The engineers don't like /care about humans. Thoughts, some with canonical backing, some 'wild speculation': The engineers have a vast domain ("...LV223 is a small and remote outpost of something much bigger and further away") and that time being relative to space and speed, the engineers can strategize over millennia and the effects on time dilation of FTL (alien universe Einsteinian space) travel is unknown and the engineer on Earth, seeding life through his molecular disintegration at the start of Prometheus, millions of years ago was part of a much shorter timescale involving vast distances of FTL travel. So what if the engineers were creating life on Earth to test or create their weapons? The 2000 year old mission to destroy life on Earth was not a change of heart but simply the plan; Testing the weapon on a planetary scale on an engineer based genome for use on other engineers! Or possibly to breed xenomorphs from humans, once humanity had a large enough population they would be able to transplant an army of xenomorphs based on an engineer genome without sacrificing engineers to create them. It would also make some sense as to why the engineers were returning to Earth to leave a map to a military base and not to their home world etc. In case something went wrong (as it did) the contingency plan was for their experiment to seek out the military base and not their enemies. Clearly something went wrong on LV223, it looks like what they were doing killed them, which I think indicates that there were pressures on the engineers beyond their control; possibly building super weapons for war on a galactic scale where time was less important than long term invasive affects (autonomous, adaptable, biological weapons with a long shelf life could be good for fighting other unknown biological entities either of or being the enemies of the engineers) but time is important enough for them to either get sloppy or suffer a biological attack themselves. There is another possibility...When the Engineer was awoken by David his first response was to kill them all which could indicate a Steve Perry nod to malevolence or malice or to a predetermined plan. Humans could represent an engineered component of the xenomorph life cycle and LV223 could be a decommissioning base, a place to dismantle WMDs and the decision to destroy humanity was about deactivating the human/cattle component of the xenomorph weapon. Just thoughts, probably old ones, what do you think?

One additional note about just how much was going on in that pyramid. The crews first visit, they exit their vehicles. There is a shot of the pyramid. The camera tilts up. We see the base with the low horizontal entrances. Half way up we see 4 side by side windows.

Oooops! No 4 windows. Its a grid on a crew members visor display.

AGAIN!!!!! Everyone has bought the idea that Engineers want to destroy earth. There is no evidence of that. Take a hint from Shaw, "We were so wrong". No one knows where that alien space craft was headed at the end of the movie. All you have is Shaw's emotion. "There won't be any home to go back to". Everybody bought that idea. Shaw sold everyone on going to LV223 and then to sacrifice Prometheus and her remaining crew. What if Shaw is "So wrong" again. More death and destruction in the name of GOD !!

Who told Shaw the ship was headed to earth? David and David alone. Remember, David hand a hand in earth being teed up on the engineer's console. The holo image of earth went from David's hands to the console. Did he influence the selection? And did that selection mean earth was the only choice the engineer pilot could make? Oh yeah! Let me take a little 2 year jaunt across the universe because I'm Pi**ed. There were "many other ships" on LV223. Why not rally a fleet?

I tell you what we learned in Prometheus, beside the fate of the crew, NOTHING !!!

In a nut shell here is what we... well i learned from Prometheus. 1) These Engineers built these pyramid/temples and they was attempting to Terra Form the interior of them and their Juggernaughts also had some kind of climate control that renders the Atmosphere inside to be breathable to Humans. They set up a Head Statue that seems to imply the Engineers hand in our creation. And they seemed to have left clues on earth to the location of the LV 223 outpost..... Invitation? Trap? or simply to show us where they created us from, with them assuming we would never be able to find them. 2) Then we have the Urns that contain Biological Agent that can be used to destroy life on Earth, well mutate it into something else... Was that the original purpose for the Substance? We just dont know. 3) Then we have the Mural that shows us what looks like the Deacon, and it also has what looks like Engineers getting face hugged by what appears to be Gigers orginal Face Huger design. We have the other Frescos, that inc one of a Engineer and some creature that appears to be in a submissive posture that has some traits that is shared with the appearance of the Xenomorph and also the Space Jockey Suits. And finally despite not getting a good look as it was breaking apart, we have a traditional Xeno Egg opened being held by Aliens-onwards Xeno hands. Again those 2 points offer a lot of questions we never got answers too.... All we really know regarding what happened is this..... At some point in time they started to create or weaponize the Black Goo into Urn canisters, they may have created them from some other lifeform, or from the Goo at the start of the movie. They may had tested this weapon at some point in time, but this testing may not had been cause of the outbreak. The outbreak occurred after the Juggernaught had been prepared and loaded with its cargo of Urns and was to set off on a mission to Earth (i assume). So somewhere along the lines of preparing to set off (as we see from the Ghost Engineer scene in the Orrey Room) Something somehow happened that caused the S£$" to hit the fan and thus lead to the other Ghost Engineer scene where they was all trying to escape to the Big Head Room...... Shaw hints that they suffered a infection with the Goo, and Spaights draft shows the Engineers knowing they had a outbreak all tried to kill themselves. And we are left with just the Last Engineer who is unscathed..... And the Spaights draft describes him as in a Hologram scene, looking panicked and rushing to get into his Cryo Pod.. We can only make our own opinions of how/why or who caused the outbreak as there is no set in stone clues... All we are left with is, that these Engineers knew about the contents of the Urns and the Dangers and had stored this canisters with what appears to be no known effects, and loaded them onto the Juggernaut likewise. Only for something to then had gone horribly wrong at around the point they was all set to set off to where ever these Urns was intended. This must mean one or some of these Engineers must have accidentally or on purpose broke one of the Urns or done something to cause them to become the cause of a outbreak.

There is definitely something very wrong with what happened. Nothing went according to plan and we still don't know how the outbreak happened and what exactly happened. Part of me feels that the way the Engineers were stacked up against each other shows a sign of treachery. The Engineers are able to accept their fate as we see in the first scene of the movie. If I was locked up in a room and knew I was going to die I would have a sense of calmity in the sense I know what is going to happen. I know why and how. This is something we should accept of the Engineers, if indeed this was just and accident and the ship went to lockdown the way it should have been. However, seeing them stacked up like that shows a couple things. Firstly, they weren't accepting their fate... even though that's something they should be ready and use to. Secondly, if the door and ship went to lockdown the way it did they would have known that there was nothing they could do... and at least the positioning of their bodies would be different and not showing desperation. It is clear that they were confused by the doors being locked, which is further details on how the bodies were stacked upon one another. My last case is more of an assumption detailed by how the scene with the last engineer in the end wakes up. It is either my view, however I believe a lot of people see a sinister scene, even before the confrontation with the humans. There just seems something very very wrong with how he is the only survivor. Its different things like the lighting, the music, and camera angles that depict the likeness similar to the awakening of a monster. It would explain why a lot of people think these were rebel engineers.

Well Spaights draft, had these Engineers all being infected including the last Engineer only getting into Cryo Stasis had stopped his infection. The others after the Door had shut they headed to the Terra forming Part of the Temple Mound and they all jumped down that like Well to commit suicide. Now the way the bodies are piled up could be either they was dragged there after they had died... Or it could be they all rushed to that area in a state of panic.... there must have been something either behind that door that would save them from their fate... So be a bit like if you was on board a ship that life support was failing due to hull breach and if you got to a certain area of the ship before door shut you would be safe but if your too late then you would die from lack of oxygen. Or that they was running from someone infected or some other horror.... The puzzling part is how they got infected well this is thanks to lindeloff and his writing he has good ideas but then never things of every aspect of that idea and inconsistencies that would arise... he then passes them off as Ambiguity. Looking at the Goo, how Engineers never need the suits to break for certain periods of time on LV 223, and how the Human Crews suits seem to protect them from leaking Ampules... I can only assume that when the outbreak occurred they was not suited up and that they then all rushed to get into Space Jockey suits and then attempted to run towards certain areas of the Temple. Only other explanation would be they was contaminated on purpose when they was maybe in Cryo Sleep? Or that if they need to drink or they have some method of taking vital nutrients to survive that their supply got contaminated.

The Engineers on LV-223 were killed by Predators

 

Did ampules with goo had strange writes other from Engineers summerian writes. This ampules can be from other aliens from there

 

Predators writes