Prometheus 2 Plot blown?

Nah...the crash on 426 happened 2000 years before Prometheus...

Yeah, nice try but no cigar imo. I will entertain the idea that he snuck onto the jugg Shaw and David took though.

And where does the ancestral SJ alien pilot, who was found in the pilot's seat of the crashed or landed SJ ship, come from? Somehow overlooked as being onboard already? I think a more likely scenario is that the end of the Prometheus movie set's up a sequel in which Shaw and David find the original ancestral SJ planet or another outpost, and we hear the reason why they are destroying the worlds they've seeded. Would also be interesting to hear how they came to be associated with the nasty aliens.

Anyone else notice that in the second pic, its started to grow something that resemble those tubes on its back like the classic xenomorph has? Tubes - [img]http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/6Alien_BigChapAlien.jpg[/img]

that hitchin trait again haha. sneaky bastard.

The protoalien chestbursted the engineer after the vessel with shaw and david Inside left the orbit of lv223. so it us definetly not on board. we even dont know whether this Protoalien even makes it off the Planet. And i think the engineers already suceeded in creating the alien long time ago. I think it is made through the black Goo, human dna and engineer.

Shaw and David left LV 223 before the birth of the Deacon. No way can s/he hitch a ride. Sorry, holzmann, won't happen. Best

I'm going to my annoying self and address both sides of this in my usual long winded tone. Firstly lets get one things straight, if there's a stowaway it would have to be something other than the one from the last scene, cos they've already left the surface. Could be something that's been hibernating for 2000 years though. 1. [b]Not possible ->[/b] The crash on LV 426 was a long time ago (or so we think) 2. [b]Not likely ->[/b] These two were MEANT to be the core drivers of the underlying story of the real film... both seeking answers, one a believer, and one 'tin man' who is trying to figure out a purpose and would like to understand belief' all types of holes were ripped in the surface story, just to get the original 17 passengers down to these two. Neither of them will be killed off, and especially not the way that Newt and Hicks were killed off - everyone thinks they're making a clean take off at the end of one film and then pow... stowaway at the start of the next one. That was VERY unpopular. Also, there's the whole fact that whenever that stunt was pulled, the characters were trying to go home to Earth, story closed, and everyone assuming safe dreams. In this case Shaw is SEEKING out the Engineers, so she's heading INTO danger already... a stowaway would be just gilding the lily. I know there seems to be nothing in this film which isn't a hint of foreboding, but the very last scene, the alien, could very well just be the 'money shot' for the fans who would have left the cinema with blue balls if they didn't see a Xenomorph. 3. [b]Actually more possible than you think -> [/b] (a) There is a window of opportunity if you pay attention to the dates. The whole expedition from landing to destruction of the ship takes place over two days (we presume Dec 25th and 26th, depending on how literal Holloway and Janek were about 'it's Christmas' they didn't say it's "Christmas Day" but it might well be, allowing that they spent 4 days from coming out of stasis (on the Solstice - Dec 21st ) to getting their heads together, doing briefings, and navigating to the planet at sub light speed. Shaw's "signing off, warning transmission" is dated 01/01/2094 so that means that they spent 5 or 6 more days on LV 223, presumably figuring out how to fly the ship, and perhaps with Davids head still not attached (either through lack of equipment, or simply because Shaw doesn't trust him after the whole killing Holloway thing.... and she might ask him to teach her about some of the writings rather than let him actually touch the controls. ) Point being that there is time for the new Alien to try track them down... after all, when Shaw rode off on that quad bike, there's only two directions to look for her in - the now crashed ship, and then the big WMD bunkers that dominate the valley. I doubt it could detect them straight away like Aliens sense people in other films, because it seems to the case that they have to be within a certain proximity before they are 'sensed'. (b) I haven't rewatched Alien recently (due to foolishly lending it to the type of goofball who is slow to bring anything back) but if I recall the sole evidence for the derelict being on LV-426 for thousands of years seems to be that Dallas said "It's been dead a long time. Fossilized" ... well, considering that he thought he was looking at a skeleton, but was actually the remains of an exo - suit, that particular window has been re-opened, and it is now possible that we will witness the events leading to the crash, but I doubt that it will be Shaw and David who are on board... that's just dumb. I'm inclined towards "possible, but not likely".

What killed the other Engineers? What killed them long dead also or dormant like the eggs in ALIEN? Could a sleeping Deacon, Xeno, or another parasite be lurking on Shaw's Juggernaut? There were 5 pyramids in the valley. All of them house capsules of Deacon DNA? Maybe one had Xeno DNA? If there are other sleeping Engineers on the planet, they're possible Deacon lunch now. What about the 1st creature that erupted from Milburn. What did that morph into? Where did it go?

I'm not sure you can adequately progress the shaw/david storyline to a level where they actually get to the engineer planet. It would be a bit like the whole "can't do an alien film on planet earth" scenario that every director of an alien film after the original pondered, then thought about logically before abandoning as boring/close ended. I mean think about it, what are they going to do once they got there? Would there be a whole film based around Shaw and android head and some human like aliens? I think we know the answer. So something has to give. See I'm a guy of more black and white thinking. Whilst watching the film I had the idea that Vickers (Theron) would become a more prominent character at some point, this turned out not to be the case (unless certain android theories come to fore) and this was the same with Peter Weyland. So what I couldn't help thinking was that there was a much bigger story prior to the events on this film that if explored would make much better viewing that the shaw/David sequel, how about a weyland David prequel?

I would like to see how Peter Weyland came to be and how he came to finance this trip to LV223. We know so far that he has a hidden agenda for eternal life, but what if his original interest was the bio weapon of the gods. We know from his TED talk that he already considers himself to be god-like and that his android creations to be subjects similar to the engineer/human relationship. What if we were double crossed by David? We already found from the film that he considered himself at least on par with his makers, if not already greater, which raises the question what exactly did he say to the engineer? A part of me doubts he said what he told to say, what if he sought a greater master (maybe what was wrong with David 7). I find these questions more pressing for a sequel to answer than where did shaw/David go? I just don't think anything can be explained from this film by pursuing the shaw/David sequel other than 'they find planet, meet engineer, they all sit round a camp fire asking/answering questions'. It's not really a film plot.

I wouldn't be surprised if this xenomorph is able to repair either the Juggernaut of Prometheus. Or finds a third Engineer's ship (possible!) and takes control of it. That being said, the ship Shaw and David use could also have several Engineers in it. Who knows?

Or prometheus is just a begining of remaking Alien and in a few years we will see first Alien remake.

@hadleys hope: per usual, great post. @ tristemorph: if the deacon takes control of ANYTHING and pilots it, im jumping ship. lol. i am quite fond of prometheus, but that would just be too much for me. 1) I agree that david and shaw are the core conduits for the story ridley wishes to tell. 2) As has been stated, shaw and david left the planetoid prior to the deacon's birth so...there is that. 3) Ridley has pretty much stated that the narrative he wants to explore is shaw's pursuit of the engineers/answers etc. 4) @madebyjk: no chance a remake of the original alien is going to happen. 5) @vgernyc: the creature that popped out of milburn's mouth was merely the hammerpede evacuating his body. Though i suppose anything is possible, we have no reason to believe that there is any more to those events than what we saw (ie: hammerpede doesnt grow into anything else and milburn isnt carrying any sort of embryo etc) 6) @holzmann: All evidence points to the fact that the downed juggernaut on lv 426 was carrying the eggs as its intended cargo (ie: they were meant to be there). Also, a traditional xenomorph egg as well as traditional xenomorph facehuggers were both depicted in the ampule room on lv 223. The eggs, facehuggers, and presumably the traditional "classic xenomorph" all pre-date the events we witness on LV 223.

Prometheus is FULL OF ALLUSIONS TO Alien but never actually admits a responsibility to Alien. It's all smoke and mirrors - and, no, the proto-alien was born AFTER Shaw/David's take-off in an.other.jugg.er.nought..... Hmm, this is interesting... we don't actually SEE Shaw/David in the second Juggernaut. We just see another Juggernaut take off. Then the proto-alien is born. What happened to Shaw/David hasn't actually been addressed by the film. NOTHING has been addressed in that film, it was all FOG OF CORPORATE WAR; technically.