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Is Xenomorph the "GOD" of the engineers?

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As there are the murals in the temple showing a xenomorph, like he is on a cross like jesus. The other mural shows an engineer with his alien "pet". So maybe the alien xenomorph is the "perfect" organism to the engineers they are seeking for in experiments?
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This is giving me a farking headache...we see the creature sculpture on the wall laid out like a crucifx and to me this is like a memorial or a tribute but then this thing is the end result of what kills the Engineer...I'm missing something and I've read a lot of theories...stuck. I need Blu ray therapy and it wont come a minute too soon
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I only notice the temple showing the mural of the xenomorph. For the engineer with it's pet mural, I kinda didn't notice that......... I kinda also thinking the xenomorph as the engineer's as their subject experiment, maybe during one of the experiments went wrongly and start to distinguish all the xeno, just my assumption...
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no
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No, it is a weapon. Also my depiction of the mural with the "xeno" is Ridleys way of saying I created this thing and it was butchered by a couple "bad" movies. I got the new Prometheus book today and that was my read in to what he spoke about the mural
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The one is a mural, the other a painting on the ceiling/wall (michaleangelo style) is completely different. liquified engineers or something else kept in urns in a temple for the dead?
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The Xenomorph engraving in the rear door of the temple is not a crucifixion. It may be laid out in a cross shape, but it is not on a cross. It has its legs together arms out and head down... perhaps as if it was lying down or waking up for the first time as a xenomorph. They don't normally sleep in that position. The 'cistene chapel' style mural on the ceiling... shows one humanoid, (who doesn't seem to be as buffed up as the Space Jockeys, and seems to have some thing ornamental on his chest, has an arm extended to what appears to be part humanoid, part ... not... This was only up briefly, but if you watched the film a few times, and have a good memory, you'll see that the arm looks thin and rigid, and the head is an odd shape, malformed. I don't think they worship the Xenomorphs. I think it's there they way some religions put an image of their 'devil' as a reminder to obey the 'god' or 'gods' in the other image. I think you have some insight into Ridleys motives. He's smashing the whole 'Predators made the Xeno thing into a thousand pieces'.
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in the concept art you can see the statue of that painting. to me it clearly looks like an engineer and a big buglike humanoid (i mean bug obviously, and humanoid coz it seems to have to legs to hands and is sitting)
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@ShinobiX9X... link? Is it the final version of the mural - the same that was in the movie?
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In the Art of the Film book Max clearly explains that the murals on the ceiling are "iconographic illustrations like in the Sistine Chapel, with the Creation, Armageddon and Judgment cycle." The mural of the Engineer with it's "alien pet"(which is clearly not a xenomorph) is Creation. As in the Engineers created them. Not the other way around. Perhaps the xeno wall mural which Max describes in the book as the "Alien DNA" that Scott talked about the film having is the "Judgment" mural Max talked about. Would LOVE to talk in depth about the book in the book discussion thread but it seems no one's interested. [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/7930]Prometheus Art of the Film Discussion Thread[/url]
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[u]The mural of the Engineer with it's "alien pet"(which is clearly not a xenomorph) is Creation. As in the Engineers created them. Not the other way around.[/u] It is clearly NOT a xenomorph... that makes assumptions about how Xenomorphs are created. How do you know that is not the creation of a xenomorph in process? "Alien DNA in the mural".... in a mural with NO Predators... I like that sublte hit back at those sh1tty crossovers.
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It's not a xeno. Could be something in the line of the creation of xenos but it's not a xeno. Put it this way, you don't call the trilobite a Shaw or a Halloway just because those were lines in it's creation. You don't call the Deacon an Engineer. Does that make sense?
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I'm not calling a cow a liver fluke... Perhaps a caterpillar a butterfly metaphor, rather than calling a tadpole a frog... or perhaps more accurately, I'm calling a 'slightly green, still wearing a shirt but it's starting to rip' David Banner "The Hulk". does that clarify what I am saying?
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So you're saying that the alien race shown in that mural transform and morph into the xenos from the Alien films like David Banner transforms and morphs into the Hulk? That's a more silly assumption than I ever made. And tbh I never made an assumption as to how xenos were created like you said I did until you did. I said that the alien in the mural isn't a xenomorph and if you have eyes you can see that. You're arguing semantics. I was arguing facts. ****EDIT**** I read into your sHulk statement a little more and I see what you're saying. That they may be in the line of the xenos creation which again is making an assumption which you didn't like me doing but whatever. How about this...you don't call a simian a human. There could be a direct line between the two but they are not the same. Much like Engineers and humans. Same dna profile but not the same thing.
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I don't see it as silly. I see it as being indicated as a strong possibility by what we see in Alien and in Prometheus. What's on the roof of the dome? A long curved skull with a human face. In 1979 Alien, the Aliens 'scalp' is slightly transparent, we see a domed skull face through it. When we see this creature depicted it looks like the back of its head is sort of mushy... like a caterpillars when it has to rebuild into a butterfly head. You notice that the creature also has something that looks biomechanical, like an engineer suit? Aliens have all those tubes sticking out of them, similar to a Space Jockey in the flight chair or the stasis pod. And of course the whole two arms and two legs thing is just a co-incidence... cos Ridley Scott works like Gene Rodenberry - all aliens are bipeds , and the man in a suit was lack of imagination. How do Xenos attack? They stay very still let their victim approach and then launch into the air with fierce aggression and no fear of pain or death. Sometimes you got to run them over with an APC like Ripley did, or light them up with a Flamethrower. Remind me again how Fifield, whose head was changing shape got into the cargo bay and killed Wallace, Davis and Byrnes... He was motionless as they approached, and then launched into the air with fierce aggression and no fear of pain and death. They ran him over with a small truck which weighed less than an APC... and then they lit him up with the flame thrower. But you're right, I'm pulling all of this out of my ass rather than making an educated guess from anything hinted at the film right?
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[u]How about this...you don't call a simian a human. There could be a direct line between the two but they are not the same. Much like Engineers and humans. Same dna profile but not the same thing.[/u] No, not all apes or monkeys are humans. And you can tell the difference in their DNA. Why can you not tell the difference between Human and Engineer DNA? It's basically impossible given the complexity of evolution over billions of years to get a copy of the starting code. You won't get this if you still think scene 1 is primordial Earth and occurs BEFORE the first recorded visit of REAL Engineers to earth. I'll stop there for now.
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You don't call a "catapillar" a "butterfly". When it morphed it changed from one thing into another. Simple as that. If that alien in the mural morphs into a xeno it is no longer what it was.
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Quote from Hadley's Hope... [i]"No, not all apes or monkeys are humans"[/i] What apes or monkeys [i]are[/i] humans?
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C'mon Hadley's don't bail. You convinced me your Hulk theory wasn't silly. Change my mind about this.
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Oh, and the first scene is clearly not primordial earth imo. Seems like we agree on that.
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Fine. Sucks. I guess I'll never know which monkeys and apes are human and which aren't. Please come back and school me on that sometime, HH.
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