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MemberOvomorphJun-14-2012 2:24 AM
Even though this movie is not supposed to make any real connections to the alien franchise except on how they were born, I found many connections in this movie to the alien and predator franchises. It is said that the predators created the aliens as a means for a more sporting hunt. Also the sciencetists in Prometheus ( I am terrible at remenbering names) considered who coudve created the engineers. It J's also a mystery as to who could've killed all those engineers except the lone. Perhaps and I know this isn't true but it cud be used to play with ur mind a bit- perhaps the predators created the engineers and the jars full of the organic material to create the first alien, the mother. This wud also explain. The dead engineers as they had planned to kill the humans they created. The predators sought hosts for the facehuggers and we had established the same DNA between the humans and the engineers and if u think about it humans r weaker than the engineers who in mopinion have many similarities to the predator. Body build, the armor and mask similarities and strength/speed. As to y the engineers were killed requires imagination. The predators killed the engineers because they were trying to wipe out a race weaker and thus more vulnerable to the facehuggers. Again this is only speculation and I hope u don't take it seriously but plz tell me wat I'm missing so far and I apologize for if this writing looks weird.....I'm on a kindle. Again thx for ur time, don't take it seriouslyy and have fun thinking
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RESONANT
MemberOvomorphJun-14-2012 2:39 AMThis movie has little to do with how they were born, as they are thousands of years old. There are indeed, many connections to the Alien franchise, however. The most notable are the engineers, and the Weyland corporation. I think it is best not to assume this movie is a direct prequel, but instead it should be understood as an exploration of humanity's introduction to interstellar life in this particular story-verse.

Hadley's Hope
MemberOvomorphJun-14-2012 4:37 AMOkay, I'll have fun telling you what you missed !
One shouldn't assume anything about this movie really... (it's part of a subtheme of the film) .
But one thing I would be money on... there will be NO Predator link to Prometheus, and if there is any HINT of one in a sequel it will be Ridley's personal response to the crossovers, (which he HATES) and I think that it would be a reverse image to what we saw (as a joke) in Predator 2... (Predator trophies included a Xenomorph head. )
[u] I found many connections in this movie to the alien and predator franchises.[/u] Nothing on the screen suggests a link to predator. In fact, there are direct clues that REJECT the predator cross over. If you care to look, instead of hoping to see what would please you (you're making the same mistakes as Shaw and Holloway did... do you realise that?)
[u]It is said that the predators created the aliens as a means for a more sporting hunt.[/u] Not by Ridley Scott it's not.
[u]Also the sciencetists in Prometheus ( I am terrible at remenbering names) considered who coudve created the engineers.[/u]
The answer to origins of the Space Jockeys was kind of staring them in the face, but they missed it, and its much simpler than invoking Predators as hunter killers that also like to splice DNA even though their own franchise does not show them messing with that. The answer to the origin of the Engineers is unknown... we don't even know what they look like, but I'll bet you $400 they won't have dreadlocks, spider fang faces, and arm bayonets.
[u] It J's also a mystery as to who could've killed all those engineers except the lone. Perhaps and I know this isn't true but it cud be used to play with ur mind a bit- perhaps the predators created the engineers and the jars full of the organic material to create the first alien, the mother.[/u]
It's a good mystery... and like a good mystery... it provides the clues to the answer. They are all in place. Not one of them hints at Predators. You don't jog away from Predators... they ambush, they shoot, and they have weapons that could probably have blown a hole in that chamber door if they wanted.
And why would the predator kill three Space Jockeys in their stasis pods? With outward blown wounds from above, and leave a 4th one. ?
[u]This wud also explain. The dead engineers as they had planned to kill the humans they created. The predators sought hosts for the facehuggers and we had established the same DNA between the humans and the engineers and if u think about it humans r weaker than the engineers who in mopinion have many similarities to the predator. Body build, the armor and mask similarities and strength/speed. As to y the engineers were killed requires imagination.[/u]
The Space Jockeys (they are NOT engineers - technicians at most) are big and strong, but they are not terribly fast movers. Watch them run to the temple chamber. That's not anything as fast as a predator, or a Xenomorph.
[u]The predators killed the engineers because they were trying to wipe out a race weaker and thus more vulnerable to the facehuggers.[/u]
1. None of the wounds are consistent with Predator attacks. Slashing, shoulder cannon, hand to hand combat. ZERO evidence.
2. All the wounds are to the same part of the body. This is not Predator style. They are not sharp shooters, aiming for the heart, they are big game hunters that kill in closer quarters.
3. None of the engineers appear to be ARMED. When did you see a predator kill an unarmed opponent?
4. There isn't a single engineer hung upside down or missing his head AND spine as a trophy. The only one missing a head lost it when a door took it off.
Did I leave anything out?
minor extras perhaps. -the fact that the Space Jockeys have advanced technology... that Aliens can see in the dark, and seemingly through walls (infra red? or other life signs) and they could probably see Predators despite their cloaks (in Pred 2, didn't they show up in infra red)
And the fact that Alien Predator crossover is basically sci fi porn for people who want the spectacle to jerk off too, and don't care what it does to a franchise... The same people now wonder, if an engineer could fight a predator toe to toe.... like it matters. (they'd do as good a job as arnie perhaps- who knows or cares, not me.)

Hadley's Hope
MemberOvomorphJun-14-2012 4:40 AM[u]This movie has little to do with how they were born, as they are thousands of years old.[/u]
They indeed are thousands of years old, and we would know that without any need for the one on LV 426 to be fossilised (which it may not be. Dallas says it's dead a long time and fossilised... but he's looking at an exo suit.)
We know Xenomorphs are at least two thousand years old because the temple seems to be closed that long. (unless Shaw's Carbon dating is wrong, because she had no proper data for base readings of Carbon 14 to compare with).
At any rate... do you not realise how many hints are in this movie about the creation of Xenomorphs. They practically show you three times what their creation looks like.

BigDave
MemberDeaconJun-14-2012 10:34 AMThis movie is not connected with Predator, i dont think Ridley would even go that route.
Predator connects to Alien in its cannon but not vice versa.
As for the Xeno there are no ANSWERS.... just clues that can be interpreted in different ways by different people...
So we do not know 100% for because it not been proven or said that either of these are correct or incorrect.
1) The Decon Xeno at the end of the movie is the Proto Xeno and thus eventually leads to the Xeno in Alien.
2) The Xeno was created as a Weapon (either by accident or purpose) to wipe out life including Earths thousands of years ago.
3) The Xeno was a attempt at creating something they worshiped but it backfired.
4) The Xeno was just a experiement that went wrong, either via creation from Black Goo with Engineers, or some other lifeform or created from scratch.
5) The Xeno was already a lifeform that the Engineers never created, it was something they instead tried to replicate, maybe even the Goo comes from the Xeno lifeform they came across some where else at a time in the distant past.
6) That it was indeed the Black Goo and Urns that was the weapon they was going to unleash on Earth and not the Eggs.... The Eggs was a accident or the Eggs are what lead to the creation of the Urns.
There are maybe a few other theories but so far none is proven or disproven.
The Derelict on LV 426 either crashed there way before Prometheus or after, and while it seems that it happened way in the past and clues could point to at simular time as the Engineers fell fowl to something that went wrong 2000 years ago, that Derelict could still had been on LV 426 many thousands of years prior to that event... Or even after the events of Prometheus.
Because no set in stone answer has been given....
Only clues we given are indeed that the black goo can via a process and series of events create a lifeform that is both simular to a Face Hugger and indeed leads to one simular to the Xeno.
This could mean the Black Goo creates a series of Events that can create the Traditional Xeno or has done in past, or that it creates something simular that evolves to traditional Xeno, or even that the Traditional Xeno or simular lifeform had been disconstructed into the Black Substance.
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jemgsup
MemberOvomorphJul-28-2012 12:08 PMWell according to the Engineer's skull we see in the beginning of AVP-R, apparently the Predators have met the Engineers and bagged one sometime in the past.. I support the Idea that there should be a "Well thought out" film made in the future, where we see all three species: Predators, Engineers, and Aliens and even humans.. If it's well thought out made, It would be mind blowing. Just my perspective. Think about it ;]

Svanya
AdminPraetorianJul-28-2012 3:50 PM@jemgsup; You have to keep in mind AVP is a crossover based on a comic book, same as Alien vs Superman, it is for fun nothing more than that, anything you see in those movies are not canon to the Alien movies. Also, that "Engineer skull" is a helmet, we know that now thanks to Prometheus.
Also, both Ridley Scott and James Cameron both are not fond of the AVP series at all, they would never create a timeline with Predators in it as Canon.
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ParkerN
MemberOvomorphJul-28-2012 7:03 PMlike others said theres no way predator is connected, thats not RS's domain. If anything from what we know the elder engineers created the engineers, which explains the scraggled head in the temple..
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