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garboozle

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The beginning scene had me confused for a little while but I think I understand what is happening. The engineer sacrifices himself to create life on earth and is doing so at the isle of skye in scotland, this is called seeding. Probably already read that. Well everyone says that it's the black liquid used later on that he drinks, when i first saw it that's what i thought, but the second time i saw it the drink didn't look like the liquid. So maybe he didn't drink the black liquid and if i am mistaken then that doesn't mean that it is the black liquid because look at the functional contrast. Shaw describes the black liquid on the leaving ship as only "death", and since this new drink helped bring about life on earth maybe this is "life". Though the drink isn't technically life it just helps in breaking down the dna and then rebuilding it. The reason is that why would the engineer sacrifice himself if he only needed dna to start life? Holloway says that all you need is "a piece of dna and half a brain" to create life, which shaw replies she can't. (I view shaw as being a representation of humanity, which coincides with our inability to create life). Maybe Holloway is wrong, I think so, maybe life is more mysterious than this and only life can be created from life. Would explain why the engineer had to sacrifice himself. That leaves the question then, what is life? Also I wanted to say that the beginning scene is probably the most beautiful scene I have seen in cinematic history. I loved it. The black liquid I believe is an evolutionary accelerant that does so by mutating the organism in contact. It certainly does cause rapid growth as we see with the engineers head, while he is dead some of the cells were kept alive from stasis so once it was taken out and tried to be revived it caused rapid cell growth, they even say news cells were forming on the head prior, which eventually caused the head to explode. Also the fact that when david touched the liquid it didn't have any effect on him or his suit, both nonbiological. However fifield gets sprayed with blood by the hammerpede, now I believe that the blood like that of alien is not solely composed of acid alone but filled with extremely potent and versatile enzymes and works like the stomach which a high acidic pH is used to activate the enzymes. So when fifield is sprayed with this and he lands in the black liquid, the liquid increases the enzymatic activity which then is able to melt his mask. Fifield is not dead when this happens he only has his helmet melt on to his face, we assume he's dead. Maybe he was alive long enough for the black liquid to mutate him into the rampaging beast. The black liquid did mutate the worms in the beginning into the hammerpedes. This is another reason that the black liquid only works on biological beings and that the liquid mutates them till they reach their highest evolutionary state. Ash described the xenomorph as the "perfect organism", well maybe the xenomorph isn't so much a species but rather a role in which the black liquid is the catalyst for creating the process of it. Though it still remains what exactly is this black liquid? I know people have asked why the engineers appear so different from us though we have the same dna. Well they aren't really that different. But I would say the reason is development. Just because you have dna doesn't mean every part of it is expressed, if it were then you wouldn't have any different parts to your body and would just appear as a massive cell. Environment could play a role too. And the trilobite people wondered why it was able to get so massive, well it too was going under development that lead to body changes though not enough to get that big. But maybe it was able to ingest something in the room or maybe it was even able to incorporate things from the air into its body to achieve its mass. Just cause it's alive doesn't mean it has to follow the same way organisms on earth does. I think David had his agenda the entire movie. I believe that he was looking to gain a soul or to be alive, whatever you want to call it. I think this was a huge concept of the movie, what it means to be alive and what is life? What happens to us when we die? Throughout the movie David is riticuled for not having a soul and just being a robot, and he can't understand what it means to be human because he can't feel. While he doesn't feel, he certainly understands. And there is not much worse than knowing you can't feel, even though its what you want but just can't. Look at his expression when someone mocks him, it's of annoyance. Alot will say he's an android and can't have desires or what not, well David is more human than any previous android. He even says doesn't everyone want their parents dead, so he could be free. Which makes me to believe that he wasn't really there for Weyland, who sought to be given more life. Well surely if they could give life to Weyland they could do the same for david. This all leads me to understand why David poisoned Holloway, now maybe Weyland did tell him to do it but I don't believe so. I believe that David thought this black liquid could bring about life and wanted to test it, so he could use it later. But he isn't positive about taking a persons life, as you see if he was he would have put his index finger in the glass immediately instead of grabbing it with his middle finger. But he talks with Holloway who mocks him yet again, making david refocus on his agenda. He says to Holloway why the created him, with Holloway replying cause we could. David says imagine how dissappointing that'd be to hear from your creator. That's a good question, how would you feel if God told you that? So David asks what would Holloway do to get what he wanted, he replies anything and everything. Just what David needed to know to have him follow through, he says "I think that's worth drinking too" which he then places his finger and poison in the drink. Something that has bothered me is that people believe the engineer woke up and just started bashing skulls. No, he was awakened from cryo and he stumbles a little then goes about his business but he realizes people are here talking. As Weyland asks him a question he looks in confusion as he can't understand what they are saying. Shaw begins starts asking her questions in such distress and grief. The engineer isn't sure what she's saying but he has a look of empathy, while he doesn't know why she's upset but he clearly knows something is terribly wrong. It's not until David speaks to the engineer in his tongue that he snaps his head towards david. While I believe it may have been what david said, seeing how Weyland wanted him to ask about immortality and to give him more life, it could also just be the fact that he is speaking his tongue or that he's an artificial being. Sidenote-- In the Bible God says that they must keep humans from eating from the tree of immortality and becoming like them, just after Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge, so us trying to achieve immortality would remind the engineer of his mission and that people have not changed. The engineer then places his hand on David's head as if satisfied and proud in him, then he tears his head off and beats people to death. But the movie does leave us with some questions, not regarding the ones I already stated, but what does it mean to be human? This relation is to how we behave and david does. David thinks it doesn't matter why the engineers turned on humans, but to shaw (represents what it means to be human) it is important, and david could only understand if he was human. What makes us who we are or what determines our nature? If we are created by another being who created them? Would there be an unending source of others creating others or would there be a definitive beginning? Does it really matter the technicalities to religion, is not what I choose to believe the important part? Are not the values and beliefs the valuable part of religion not the creator? There are many more but I'm sure you'll have your own. Overall I loved the movie, I felt like it was bladerunner met alien in modern times. I loved the characters and their development and how they relate to one another. The questions it raised were great. And I'm glad they brought more Giger artwork into the film. The music was phenomenal. It was just a great movie that I don’t think will be appreciated for some time, like bladerunner.
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sweeeeeeeettttttt Also, there are tons of nods to 2001. Oh, and I believe the "Sacrifice Enginner" was simply murdered. Notice his reaction as soon as he drinks the goo [pride] and sheer disbeliefe and horror afterwards [as in oh man... I was tricked]
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]
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I can't even begin to read it yet. Not without some white-space in order to come up for air. I'm sure it's good material.
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I agree with David 1 theory, and is not even a theory is a fact. The engineers created life on earth to test their biological weapon, the xenomorph, which is obvious that the project wasnt fully completed due to an out break that turned on them. 2,ooo years before the out break they decided the project was ready for a test run, out break happen, the test wasnt carried out. The goo that David found was goo that belong to a xenomorph and due to the fact that the incident happen 2000 years before they got there, on an isolated lifeless planet, it would be hard for any xenomorph to remain alive for so long. But the goo, thanks to the terra forming was preserve with out any issue. ------SO there you have it, the truth about Prometheus, after viewing the movie 5-6 times, the movie makes sense to this and it even supports this theory. SO lv 223 is Area 51, and planet earth and its living organisms is where we would test our toys that we build at area 51.
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lol @ rumor control. Holy wall of text is hilarious.
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lol @ rumor control. Holy wall of text is hilarious.
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Yeah I know I wrote a lot but wanted to just put most of it out there. I have no idea if what I wrote is true, just my opinon as it makes sense to me. Hopefully it will all be clarified later on. But David 1 could he not just be surprised from how painful the drink is? He was slightly hesitant to drink it but knew he had to so he just downed it with out trying to think about it much. So I feel he knew what was coming. And Dafonse30 I don't know that's the truth I'd still say theory, may seem likely but people also thought the biosuit for the engineer was like a trunk. If they were testing the goo why seed life 35,000 years before hand then test it out? Seems like a long time to do that.
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because, 2093-2000, puts you at what 1993? perfect era of human evolution to test a bio weapon. Why release a weapon if its going to kill everything so easily? If I have a biological weapon I want to see how it phases against a point in a humans life when they can fight back, why? to see weaknesses that need to be fix, or what else they have to do. Think about it. Its their DNA they know how we are going to turn out given enough time, which is why he wanted to hurry the hell up and head to earth to wipe it out, we are a test subject that where not meant to evolve out of that planet, and also we don't know how long they actually where working on the Xenomorph project before they created life on earth, maybe it did took them that long to get to that incomplete breed that we saw at the end before they out break went on and wiped them out, before the test run was started.
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@dafonse30, 2093-2000=1993... lol, seriously ROFLMFAO

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oh yeah I screwed that math up, time to stop drinking, but you still get my point, would put the xeno in a human era where they could still defend themselves as to no be able to.
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@ garboozle - seems you've been reading my stickied thread in Prometheus Discussions

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I can't buy that we were just some test subjects. If you want to test something you just use a small sample to represent a larger population. So why wait for 100 million people plus all the other living creatures on earth to just test something. Maybe to see the effects of it on a global scale? maybe. But to fly 35 light years away, wait over 35,000 years to perform. Just too hard to believe. And if we consider that the xenomorph is the perfected stage then they would've had it perfected as the derelict ship crashed several millenia before 2122.

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