The derelict ship from Alien versus the engineer ship in Promehteus

I noticed that the "containers" were arranged in the same formation as the eggs that were on the Derelict, I just assumed that when the Derelict crashed on 426, the containers broke and the eggs formed around the canisters, growing in size over the years. I did like the call back to the Egg silo's from the original Alien designs.

Welcome to [i]www.prometheus-movie.com[/i]!!! Initially, that was exactly the intent, but then it was confirmed that that cavernous area was the "cargo hold". [i]Moving to "Alien Discussions".[/i]

well I'm no fan boy but My best guess is it might be a different maybe upgraded version of the ship in alien. I mean in the begining of prometheus they had a round ship. but i think in the next two movies it will make more sense

The ship on LV-426 (Alien), according to Ridley Scott, is a "brother ship" to the later ones built on LV-223. It preceded it by roughly 200 years, making the eggs on that ship surviving an impressive 2,200 years +/-.

Thanks, Antony, that follows. The original ship then must have been huge, especially as we see the new ship collide with the Prometheus in mid-air. Interesting that Scott confirmed the original chamber was a cargo hold. If you go back and look at the original Alien derelict ship exteriors as the EVA team are approaching it, it looks crashed at an angle much the same size as the engineer ship. Perhaps we will find that the "bone ships" organically connect . Fun to speculate.

Yes in Alien the Cargo hold looked a lot bigger but as anyone for one moment considered this..... [img]http://www.fanderson.org.uk/images/tbep01a.jpeg[/img] Maybe the Eggs was Stored into a Cargo Bay like compartment that attaches to a Derelict so that when the ship reaches its destination it simply drops that Cargo Compartment onto the surface and then Takes Off. The Cargo Compartment then opens up...... Thats one kind of reason i would put for the inconsistency..

It is the same model, with just different configurations. It's like an M1A1 and an M1A2 combat tank, same tank but upgraded.

Your eyes are not deceiving you, and sometimes Ridley is just full of shit. The egg chamber was originally conceived to lie within a pyramid structure underground; and if the pyramid sequence was filmed, this would not even be coming up as a point of confusion or contention. Because of budget constraints, the Derelict and underground egg cavern were merged into one concept- but as you can see, they weren't about to dispose of the original art assets just accomodate this move. So this is the part where the director says "yeah, yeah it's in the Derelict, don't worry about it" and you the eager fan "Oh yeah... I can kind of see that you mean Ridley. You know if I twist my head hard enough, I can actually see the Derelict's curves just like the drawings show. But wait... why do they twist left and ri- ahh, never mind!" As a fan myself, I have no problem suspending belief- but to a degree. It irks me when Ridley comes up with stuff like this, when Dan O'Bannon had no problem just saying that they were forced to make compromises: http://weyland-yutaniarchives.blogspot.com/2010/09/dan-o-bannon-on-alien-fantastic-films_24.html The merged concept plays nice with the bomber theory, and could have made for a compelling story in Prometheus- if Ridley didn't dilute it by making it a guy in a suit. But I digress...

Scott Clearly confirmed about 3 weeks before the release of the film in a French Interview we have somewhere here on this web site, and in which he stated the "Derelict was a Bomber & the Eggs were It's Cargo" ! It was also, he said..."originally destined for earth"...so..."What went wrong?"..."that's what I always wanted to explore."

I do remember reading about the Bomber theory and how the ship on LV-426 also originated from what we assume to be a military base on LV-226: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=44156.0 But I don't remember Ridley saying that it was specifically heading to Earth, just that it was heading "somewhere". Still, I'm Googling away to see if this quote.

Sorry meant to say to see if I find this quote.

@ Molecular, Here I found that interview bro... [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/3872]33+YearMysteryEnds[/url]

Hey Spartacus, thank you for the link! I do have that video and will need to watch it again tonight- the firewall here is killing me.

When Kane was being lowered into the egg chamber he said "Its a cave" and it was really hot.So I'd like to assume he wasn't in the derelict.The egg chamber also had a mist above it that reacted.The mist has still never been explained...maybe someone has to corner Pete Townsend and ask him about that :)

I guess a lot of stuff has been made to try and 'fit' with Prometheus. With the original Alien, I always assumed that the 'hole' Kane went down was a burn through of Alien acid that went right through the ship to some cave that the Alien settled in and lay the eggs, but that wouldn't explain how it had the 'electrical' field over it, or the fact it looked like a manufactured cave/hold of the same design as the ship...

The thing with Giger's bio-mechanical style is that a cave could look like the interior of a ship and vice-a-verse!

Did Ridley Scott really say the Derelict predates the LV-223 ships? How could the Derelict have Eggs then, if proto-Alien first appeared at the end of Prometheus?...

It's true that the original Derelict predates the events on LV-223 we see in Prometheus, so the Deacon must be a [i]new[/i] entity. The black-goo canisters could be a more generic form of the xeno-based bioweapon, the eggs the result of that weapon reproducing post-deployment.

See I have this theory that because you don't see the cryopods in Alien when they discover the 'fossilised' Space Jockey, that the ship in the original is purely a combat vessel.