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Why Humans were created? Why they were to be destroyed?

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V77Mad

MemberOvomorphJun-22-2012 1:45 PM
The Engineers were creating weapons of Mass destruction by creating a Brainless species to wipe out any existing intelligent species on different planets. Now the Humans were created for one reason only which is to host the alien eggs, The Alien worms can only create a new species by hosting their eggs in other species and am assuming the human body produces the most adaptive and dangerous breed of Aliens. So The Engineers were gonna drop that liquid of on to earth before the humans got too advanced, as they are a intelligent species. They were not planning own hosting the Alien eggs in their own bodies. When the engineer woke up he realised the human race has already got to advanced and is in a hurry to drop the liquid barrels on to earth, scared if left longet the humans might find a way to stop the Aliens from breeding because of their advancement. The whole purpose was to create the humans and then drop the liquid that would create the worms, whom would subsequintly use the humans to host their eggs. I am suprised no one else has come out with this theory!
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Hadley's Hope

MemberOvomorphJun-23-2012 1:07 AM
[u]The opening scene shows the lone "Sacrifice Engineer". I've been postulating that due to the nature of the sort of "Religious Ritual" he takes, it makes more sense that the Engineers were more benevolent and was seeding all life on Earth.[/u] Religion does not necessarily bring benevolence. Look at the religions that require human sacrifice. [u] I don't think it's as simple as that humans make the best Aliens, else the Engineers would have been around harvesting us the whole time and not letting us evolve and advance in intelligence and capability.[/u] Well, they presumably took as many as they needed, and didn't expect us to advance in the spurt we did. When they last visited in the 7th century, mankind was still very primitive in it's understanding (it was the Dark Ages in Europe) and religion and superstition still trumped logical thought in the centres of power. It's only recently that we had this huge leap in technology. Consider Orville Wright. When he was born, the telephone had not been invented, and most houses had no electricity supply. Yet he and his brother flew the first powered airplane in 1903, and by the time he died, an aircraft had dropped an atomic bomb on Japan, and Neil Armstrong was already studying aerospace engineering. That's just one human lifetime. Perhaps they underestimated our curiosity.

Tha_Pig

MemberOvomorphJun-26-2012 1:20 AM
Maybe the Engineers didn't need a real reason to destroy the human race. They just wanted to clean up the mess left by one of their experiments. You know, when they test a new product on lab rats, regardless of the success of failure of the product, the rats always end up dead. Maybe for the Engineers to wipe out the human race was just a simple precaution, like a human scientist washing a Petri dish after he finished working with it.

Richie

MemberOvomorphJun-22-2012 1:52 PM
I like the premise but I do beleive it is not as simple as that. There is too much going on to reduce this to such a simple "this is what happened" theory. I dont see destruction as noble or as anything that has longevity. If the reason intelligent life exists is to just destroy it...makes no sense.

Bluesfool

MemberOvomorphJun-22-2012 2:24 PM
If the engineers didn't want the humans to become too intellegent then why did they leave "invitations" on earth? to free them from their sleep pods? lol...maybe the pods dont have timers

Xenotron

MemberOvomorphJun-22-2012 2:32 PM
The movie implies the answer. We were created because they could. They wanted to destroy us because they could.

DesperateHouseWife

MemberOvomorphJun-22-2012 2:36 PM
I believe that humans were created as hosts for the xenomorphs. they created us, then they planned to impregnate us with the xenomorphs to create a race of biological weaponry. but that's just me ;)

V77Mad

MemberOvomorphJun-22-2012 2:36 PM
Well from the movie one thing is clear. The Engineers create the humans on Earth or start the evolution of life on Earth, and in essence the Engineers are also humans, evolved to a much advanced or later stage then the Earth humans. From the movie it is clear the engineer was going to destroy the humans. But why doesn't he just blow them away with advanced weaponry, instead the destruction on earth was going to be carried out by unleashing the biological liquid in those Barrels. It is also clear the liquid on from those barrels create the so called worms. The end result of unleashing the biological weapon only results to the creation of the Alien race. Hence the saying to create you must destroy meaning destroy the humans to create the Aliens. Intelligent life will destroy anything and everything to survive. Perhaps the Aliens are created for other reasons other then to destroy, this might became evident in the second movie.

Richie

MemberOvomorphJun-22-2012 2:41 PM
V77Mad...very good commenting...enjoyable to ponser thank you..good post too

**Al**

Community ExecutiveMemberOvomorphJun-22-2012 2:42 PM
you cant be sure they are going to drop the liquid on earth, besides to create new life the other must be change, is nothing about destroy is just called Evolution.
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dopelganger

MemberOvomorphJun-22-2012 3:08 PM
Well I will say it if no one else will - maybe the engineers got pissed when earthlings started to praise and honor one being that was born 2000 years ago. People started to rally around that one individual whose message was that there was a higher power and he was his son. The engineers took that as an insult and decided to show humans just who was in charge. Just saying - please be gentle.
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V77Mad

MemberOvomorphJun-22-2012 3:20 PM
Good theory Dopelganger but many religions came and went prior to that in hisotry, also the engineer wasn't all that impressed when he was treated like a god instead tried to kill everyone. Besides its Sci-fi. Like Alex said they were not going to destroy humans lke drop a nuke on them but create the Alien race by letting the Xenomorphs/worms host their eggs in humans to create the Alien race, the real question should be what use had they planned for the Alien race?

Hadley's Hope

MemberOvomorphJun-22-2012 4:21 PM
You say it is clear that they created us. How is it clear? What part of scene 1 convinced you that the Space Jockey was standing on Planet Earth, and not some distant planet? If there is only assumption, then rather than look for answers, you should reconsider your question. DID they create us? And also, if they didn't, if that's some other planet in the first scene. What does that mean? How do you have to alter all your other assumptions about the film?

Hadley's Hope

MemberOvomorphJun-22-2012 4:25 PM
And likewise... who told you they were going to wipe us out? Shaw? Where is her proof? She asked David what the mission was. And he said something vague. Go look at how David talks in the film. When he is saying the plain and simple truth, he says it plainly and simply. Anytime he uses vague, double meaning statements, he is deceiving. He knows Shaw is religious. Say something a bit scary to her, and she imagines Armageddon. If the plan was to wipe us out 2000 years ago, why didn't the two visits SINCE then (latest was in the 7th Century in Hawai'i.) finish us off?

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteJun-22-2012 4:45 PM
- They look human, we (last time I checked) also look human, 99% DNA match. - Big ship carrying tonnes of urns filled with nasty black stuff heading for Earth. I understand asking questions, but why not hypothesize some answers.

Hadley's Hope

MemberOvomorphJun-22-2012 5:02 PM
They didn't say 99% match. It's a match. If you want my hypothesis, it's simply that they didn't create us. They took some of us, adapted them, made a bunch of obedient slaves who were strong and expendable, and every now again, travel back to earth for more. These Space Jockey slaves can be sacrificed, or used for war (hosts for bio-weapons) or lab work, or rounding up more slaves They didn't say they were going to wipe us out, and the two subsequent missions didn't wipe us out. "to destroy and create" could refer simply to Igor getting more specimens for the lab. Everyone is fixated on the story of Prometheus from Greek mythology and ignoring the whole UFO abduction theory... simply because none of the characters mention it. And yet there is air clean enough for humans, and Space Jockeys who seem to be fine breathing the toxic crap outside. Here's another Prometheus myth worth thinking about. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/eb/Frank1818.jpg[/img]

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteJun-22-2012 5:11 PM
I'm familiar with it, I have it next to Divine Comedy and Paradise Lost. Mary Shelley's story is about the creation of life, the ramifications of the creation and the creations view of its creator... amongst other things. Many parallels to this film. The creation searches for his creator for answers, whom ultimately has none, or as Holloway put it "because we could". They are both stories about creation, yet Prometheus (the myth) itself isn't, it's about punishment for disobedience and the gift of technology given to us by a former God, replaced by a newer, younger God.

Hadley's Hope

MemberOvomorphJun-22-2012 5:35 PM
Ridley Scott isn't sticking strictly to any myth. He hints at both - the electrical reanimation of the head, and all the ancient mythology lines. Frankenstein didn't create life from nothing. He used other bodies, that's the point I was leaning on. I contend that the reason that Space Jockeys match our genotype, but have 'older' DNA, is because they are from all those older cultures, whose mitochondrial DNA won't have changed as much as the Aztecs, Egyptians etc on Earth, due to the selective breeding, and stasis.

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteJun-22-2012 5:46 PM
They seeded us, they added their DNA and an evolutionary accelerant to life on Earth and through clever engineering, evolution, and natural selection the Engineers genome becomes dominant creating us. Its the creation myth, the core of all of the major myths - God(s) creating mankind, but with this movie the why isn't going to pleasant.

Giger's Dream

MemberOvomorphJun-22-2012 8:45 PM
"The movie implies the answer. We were created because they could. They wanted to destroy us because they could." / / /This!!! or possibly I'm beginning to think that human beings as we are right now were only intended tobe an intermediary species in the evolution of mankind....if you buy int the Ancient Aliens theories we were seeded and at various times given "updates" to our genetic codes and lesser humanoid species wiped out that were co-existing at the same time. Perhaps we were never meant to be the end result but only one more "step" up the evolutionary ladder and they intended to wipe us clean to reboot their experiement....

asphaltpilot

MemberOvomorphJun-22-2012 10:09 PM
All our assumptions a based on a belief that the Engineer race had one collective thought, when in reality, they are just like us with many different philosophies. Maybe one rouge sect of the Engineers believe in terra-forming planets and spreading their seed and another sect (as found on LV-223) believes it's a bad idea and aims to clean up the mess.

abordoli

MemberOvomorphJun-22-2012 10:45 PM
Something to note about the "worm". It is a mechanism to destroy and then go dormant. Xenomorphs (drones at least, not sure about the queens) do not have a long life-span. Their "immortality" is in the "egg" stage of their life-cycle. Take the doomsday scenario of a Juggernaut arriving to Earth and dispatching its "cargo". In short time humans become infected by the black-goo whether through ingestion via the water supply or by other means. Procreation of the infected leads to trilobite/body-huggers that impregnate hosts to create deacons that grow up to be big xenomorphs that excrete stuff to create a nest for a queen that begins laying eggs containing smaller face-huggers. All of the above happens pretty fast and a continual supply of hosts (captured by xenomorphs and take to the nest) is required to keep it all going. A xenomorph dies in a couple of days but is replaced by another. At some point, hosts will be extinct. The "bio-weapon" has accomplished it's goal and then becomes nothing more than lair mounds full of eggs with dead drones and queens. The eggs can then be delicately collected and piled back onto the ships for their next conquest. I would imagine, looking at the orrery star-map with many systems marked, that the engineers had a long reign of successfully conquering (maintaining control) of this quadrant of the Milky Way galaxy with this method and accidents were inevitable, but considered an acceptable "cost of war/domination". I see, however, like the fall of the Roman Empire, the "Engineer Empire", got too greedy and spread themselves too thin and hung themselves upon their own petard. How did it happen? We may see in Prometheus: Paradise.

MojoRyzn

MemberOvomorphJun-22-2012 11:23 PM
The opening scene shows the lone "Sacrifice Engineer". I've been postulating that due to the nature of the sort of "Religious Ritual" he takes, it makes more sense that the Engineers were more benevolent and was seeding all life on Earth. Not to just make humans that are the best hosts for the best xenomorphs. If you have seen some of the concept art, it showed an older Engineer with the Sacrifice Engineer for the beginning scene. On another website, I found an image of what appears to have been an actual filming of that scene that was edited out for the end result of Prometheus in theaters. [img]http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/prometheus-elder-engineer-570x855.jpg[/img] My opinion is that all Engineers are clones/androids. They are all made for different purposes by these elder "Creator Engineers". Some Engineers are made to be used for Seeding, some for military stations like that on LV223. I don't think it's as simple as that humans make the best Aliens, else the Engineers would have been around harvesting us the whole time and not letting us evolve and advance in intelligence and capability. As David said, "Don't all children want their parents to die?" I think that the Military Engineers were purposed to wipe us out because we were getting too advanced and that some day, we were going to come to them bringing their downfall.

eeyyll

MemberOvomorphJun-23-2012 5:09 AM
Theory for why they want to destroy us... Once the engineer was awake the first thing he did is to put his hand on David the robot head. at that moment, the enguneer linked to David's database and find out all man kind histrory... all the war... all the pain we cause. [ The movie allredy show us there can be neural link when david was comunicate with his boss or saw the doctor's dreams] Now once the engineer knew that everywhere the human go, they only bring death (to the planet, themself or others), there was only one outcome... the human must be ELIMINATED. what do you think?

Hadley's Hope

MemberOvomorphJun-23-2012 6:23 AM
It wasn't the first thing he did. He coughed, bowed, listened and stared. He listened to the arguments, stared because he probably didn't understand English (if he's been asleep 2000 years, he's never heard it before), and didn't understand why they were shouting at Shaw, and why she got a shotgun butt to the stomach. David needed complex machinery to read someone's dreams. Why would a Space Jockey be able to do it with just his hand, to an android, whose program wouldn't be familiar to him? He touches David's hair, probably missing his own, cos he's built like a greek god, but just can't get those modelling offers from L'Oreal. It's jealousy that sparks the violence :p

Daniel_N

MemberOvomorphJun-23-2012 10:50 AM
Although the movie tends to overlook some science... i think they must have more of a direct hand with us than the usual 'seeding' for us to be so close to The Engineers. There would be no point in doing a 'seeding' for the purpose of having it evolve differently if you wind up with the same code in the end... in fact that would be impossible.

Hadley's Hope

MemberOvomorphJun-23-2012 11:09 AM
Daniel N, Just because it's the first scene, and shortly after we see a scene on Earth, we are led to assume that the first engineer is on primordial earth. However, if you think about it, there is zero proof of when and where this takes place. And yes it's impossible. It would be like if, after the destuction of the Enterprise in Star Trek 3, and the parts raining down on the genesis planet, someone went back a few billion years later, and, while not being surprised that life had evolved to space faring technology, actually expected - and found - a replica of the Enterprise among their fleet. I think the direct hand took place at the earliest 35,000 years ago, and resulted in humans being brought to LV 223, and altered until they suited the needs of their masters. Big single minded worker slaves, with no need for body hair, eye color, nipples or any other features to differentiate them as individuals. They only differ according to their function. Those bred for sacrifice are not given bio-mechanical parts. Those who are bred for different purposes, are given adaptations to fit with the technology.

PickleGuy

MemberOvomorphJun-24-2012 12:07 PM
We are not sure of the SJ's intentions. Shaw and David launch off at the end of the movie in order to hopefully answer these questions. You are just offering a possible explanation, which in my opinion is not correct. It doesn't make sense. The SJ's intentions are yet to be fully explained. Hopefully, the next movies will provide those answers. My personal opinion is that the SJs did provide the "DNA Soup" for life to be created on Earth. - otherwise, the scene at the beginning would have no purpose or meaning. With that as an assumption, then it would be logical that the SJs would come back periodically to check on their "garden". - which is also supported by the paintings on Earth. I think it is a sad notion to think that they would create us only to use us only as "food" for their Alien creations. It is a possibility, but I doubt it. Are they "mad" at us? Maybe. - but again, I would like to think that a species this advanced would be beyond that. A more interesting proposition is that they seeded e universe in preparation to support them in a large war that is brewing. We shall see.

Sky

MemberOvomorphJun-24-2012 12:37 PM
[code]"We were created because they could. They wanted to destroy us because they could."[/code] =This.
Uncertainty is the only certainty there is, and knowing how to live with insecurity is the only security.

Hadley's Hope

MemberOvomorphJun-24-2012 1:05 PM
[u]You are just offering a possible explanation, which in my opinion is not correct.[/u] To whom is that directed?

Hadley's Hope

MemberOvomorphJun-24-2012 1:13 PM
[u]My personal opinion is that the SJs did provide the "DNA Soup" for life to be created on Earth. - otherwise, the scene at the beginning would have no purpose or meaning.[/u] Except to mimic the opening of the Bible... Genesis perhaps? And if you start at Genesis, the other end of the book is Revelations, with that whole dramatic Judgement Day destruction. And how about to mimic the [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6msq8mgdnE]opening scene of "The Usual Suspects"[/url] which throws us off the scent of Verbal Kint, by focussing on the place he claimed to be hiding? Your personal opinion, like mine, is speculation. There is no conclusive proof one way or the other.
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