Prometheus: why all the disappointment?

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Another huge flaw in Aliens was the captain they sent with the group of marines. I umderstand he would be scared. But he had hardly seen an actiom prior to the mission. Even Ripley noticed it, and she askes him. I think that he told her that he had two missions prior to that one. Thats a huge flaw because how the hell would a corporation like Weland-Yutani send out an in-expeirienced captain to lead a group of marins into a super hostile environment against Xenomorphs. Do you really think that a corporation risk all that money. No they would not. They would send out the best Captain they could find. That right there is another huge flaw.

I agree. I think this is a great movie and having people discussing its concepts back and forth only shows that the movie actually is very good. Alien did raise a lot of questions so the mystery is still valid.

I think the movie was great as well and am planning on going to see it again as soon as possible. I think there is still plenty left to debate, but like you said, the answers are there without the LOOK I SPELLED IT ON THE WALL FOR YOU answer that everyone wants.

I love the film and I love the ambiguity and talking about it. Saying that "the answers are there without the [i]look I spelled it out on the wall for you[/i]" is taking it a bit far. All the answers aren't there. There are plenty there you have to search for and I do agree that most audiences want to be spoon fed. This fact has been talked about over and over. But there are plenty of questions that you can't answer with certainty about the film no matter how hard you look at it. IMO that kind of statement is simply ammunition for haters of the film to act like people who do like the film are full of sh*t and love the film for some reason other than it's a good film. Much like when people who like the film act like it has no flaws.

First off what happened in Alien has no connection to Prometheous. Prometheous is not a prequel to Alien. How could it be if the mummified Space Jockey is hundreds of thousands of years old. Also Ridley stated over and over that Prometheous is not a prequel to Alien. Why is that so difficult for some people to understan.

@alienfan101 I think when most individuals come away scratching their heads is more a failure in storytelling than success. Some people I know have seen the movie as "oh so that's what happened" type response but for a sci-fi detail focused audience there are inconsistencies and plot hole elements that ruin the experience for over thinkers. I think what others are dissatisfied over is that the alien franchise was fleshed out in novels and comics after the movies and many people had set in their minds what they imagined was taking place vs Scott and Lindeloff's vision. I find the idea of the engineers creating us to be disappointing as it makes them less alien. I think the idea that humans were a fluke and insignificant race added more to the dark vibe. Honestly i could go on even more but would bore everyone to death.

People are angry due to expectations as well as ambiguity. Their expectations casue them to blow out of proportion and overanalyze flaws in the film which they would accept in other films. Here's a for instance...People complain about the crew not being more military-like and careful. They just rush in because it's Christmas and Holloway wants to open his presents. Well, I'm sure a lot of people that don't like the film love Aliens. In Aliens the colonial marines and crew just rush in to the complex. Albiet they do it in a military fashion it is still fairly rushed and they go in pretty unprepaired. Once inside, they find the position of all the colonist and only after rushing in, weapons in hand ready to blow the sh*t out of what they find they fail to prepare and notice that there's a neuclear reactor or whatever near and that if they use their ammunition they will blow the place to kingdom come. Point is Aliens and just about every other film of this ilk has flaws but for some reason people want to act like Prometheus is a terrible film. I believe part of this reason is expectations and part the fact that the film asks a lot of it's audience. Just my 2 cents.

But who said that the Engineers created us because it was something they planned. Who says that we are not a fluke to them. Who says that we were not an experiment gone wrong. Maybe that is why they hate us so much. Maybe it was inperfections that upset them. That in my opinion many think that the Engineers worshiped the Xenomorphs. Like Shaw said in Alien. It is the perfect creature.

@Rubirosa...[i]"Like Shaw said in Alien. It is the perfect creature."[/i] Shaw wasn't in Alien lol.

for me...in all honesty If I had been him, I would have gone for MAJOR SHOCK AND AWE AND DONE EVERYTHING RS WANTED TO DO IN THE ORIGINAL AND HAVE THE TRUE XENOMORPH BACK IN SOME WAY BUT TEN TIMES MORE PERVERTED and ferocious doing all the things RS imagined it doing and story boarded it doing but the suits put a stop to....and then tied that sucker right intro Alien Directly. i would have gone the route of the original HARVEST fake script and shown the Genesis of the XENO from infant tiny little bugger to giant bi-pedaled creature we know from Alien and I would have had Prometheus visiting LV-426 and finding THE original derelict's cargo compromised and by whom and why, it turning out to be the Engineers. I would have Vickers working for Yutani and Not Weyland and would have had her attempting to obtain a sample of the creature and succeeding before being murdered by Shaw for it. If I were him I would have done a lot of things differently, I would have shown the Mural as part of a massive cave defense system in which the Engineers had learned how to enslave and use the Xenos to to do their bidding as a Bio-Weapon...But I am Not RS and Love the man so I have to accept what he did do and roll with it and understand it all as best I can, it is His Playground after all. & guess what...?... I still LOVED this film...Just LOVED it !

You brought up a great point @Engineering. The distractors like talking about the flaws in Prometheous. What you just said about the marines in Aliens is great. But then you mentioned a nuclear reactor. So that right there is a second flaw in Aliens. Your going to tell me that marines are going to be sent into a complex. And they are not prepared to know that there is a nuclear reactor on that complex. Should they not know that so they could aim there fire in the right direction. That was a huge flaw in Aliens. But the Prometheous bashers dont bring that point up for Aliens.

I mean Ash @Engineering , hey im not as perfect as a Xeno!

yeah but the rest of aliens was good so your not left complaining about some minor detail. Prometheus was just one big WTF!!?? with no good bits to distract you or make you forget about them.

[i]"But then you mentioned a nuclear reactor. So that right there is a second flaw in Aliens. Your going to tell me that marines are going to be sent into a complex. And they are not prepared to know that there is a nuclear reactor on that complex. Should they not know that so they could aim there fire in the right direction. That was a huge flaw in Aliens. But the Prometheous bashers dont bring that point up for Aliens."[/i] That was exactly myy point. I was watching Aliens last night and I put on my trademarked "Prometheus Hater Goggles" and the film sucks now lol. So does every other film.

[i]"yeah but the rest of aliens was good so your not left complaining about some minor detail. Prometheus was just one big WTF!!?? with no good bits to distract you or make you forget about them. "[/i] Just as the " the answers are there without the LOOK I SPELLED IT ON THE WALL FOR YOU" quote is ammunition for Prometheus haters to act like people who like the film have blinders on, the comment above is the exact opposite and gives ammunition for lovers of Prometheus to act like haters have blinders on. To say the film had "no good bits to distract you" is ridiculous...IMO of course. And there are plenty of other "flaws" in Aliens that equal "flaws" in Prometheus. That was one example. Please note that I'm critisizing both sides for what I feel are closed minded statements which are not very thought out. Not just haters of the film.

[quote]as a movie that was supposed to answer all the questions and mysteries,[/quote] This film, i am just sayin' was [b]Never Billed as such[/b] !

I understood the film, and the initial direction it was intended for, but found some parts asking too many questions. I also found the characters almost unnecessary... in fact maybe the movie should not have been made in the first place. The engineers were uninspiring brutes. The mission to destroy earth failed because we are a war-like species... and they did not bother to check the progress of the "destroy Earth mission." What kind of advanced race lets these things just languish... no backup plans. I can hear the Engineers home world now... "hey it's been 2000 years, any word on the Destroy That Bloody Earth mission yet?" Yeah... I would not call that a plot hole... but a black hole of terrible plot progression... David 8 was the main character throughout the film and was the only character that made any sense, both in motivation and as an aid in furthering along the plot. I have read many discussions that explained the motivations for each of the characters, but still find it dubious at best. If you wanted a mission to fail, just blow it up while in transit... clean and simple.... mission failure, accomplished. Vickers was a moron... if she really wanted the mission to fail... well I just told her how to do it... enough said...

Good points!

...maybe not... let's talk about our two poor guys that are left in the haunted house all by themselves... the Captain was like "who gives a shit if your stuck inside a newly discovered alien facility, with dead aliens, just chill." What kind of logic is that... This whole film is like that... Vickers is hiding in the ship, and when things go side ways, what does she do... pouts... and then the old man wakes up... Shaw just had a major issue with a squid and what do they do... lectured her... Weyland is another piece of work... like father like daughter... and android. But you know what... I did enjoy the film... like my profile says "I don't care if a movie is bad or good, as long as it made in the first place." Complaining is an art... and to listen to it take maturity and stamina...LOL