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Benji Taylor
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 5:24 AM[url]http://whatculture.com/film/prometheus-damon-lindelof-jon-spaihts-confirm-36-hours-was-not-scripted.php[/url]
Guys,
Spaihts and Lindelof have confirmed on twitter the 36 hrs was not scripted.
I thought you guys would appreciate this.
Maybe improvisation from Fass on the day?
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MVMNT
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 6:02 AMPrometheus is 25% film 75% people trying to garner something from anything they can.
Think the online community has written the prequel already

allinamberclad
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 6:38 AM@MVMNT
Agreed. Practically every plainly apparent absurdity in this film that rears it's head just has to have actually been some kind of intentional, cryptic, message, all along - no matter what anyone says: not even the people responsible for the damned thing.
Now that the Writers have given completely the wrong answer, perhaps Ridley Scott and Thomas Rothman should get ready to be chased around the globe - for the rest of their lives.

belladonna
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 6:50 AMi didnt know so many people have been nit picking such a small line! i didnt even notice it, didnt seem important.
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Biomechanic
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 6:58 AMNothing like passing the buck eh Spaiths. I didn't notice it at the time either. I was more disappointed in the size difference between this films space jockeys or engineers and the one from alien. Did the species shrink?

Engineering
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 6:59 AMI never really cared one bit whether it was a writing mistake, improvisation or whatthefu$kever. It seemed most were trying to use this as ammunition to act like Lindelof and Scott really don't have any idea what they're doing or where the story is going which is ridiculous. If you don't want to have faith that Lindelof knows where the story is going then that's fine but to act like this was some kind of astronomical error was silly.
I'll say again...Blade Runner...Bryant saying 6 replicants escaped from an off-world colony...one got fried...leaving 5 instead of the 4 left in the film...Total mistake...in a film that is an all time classic in any genre.
Certain reactions and the attention given to this whole thing was just silly.
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Indy John
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 6:59 AMI don't the entire storyline revolves aropund the '36 hours'..comment...but it cannot be ignored,,especially it seemed like an instinctive flaw,,that might be noted by our littlew brains.
Afterwards in discussions it seems more mysterious that ever...I think it was some kind of 'test' by David..
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belladonna
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 7:01 AMi can ignore it ^_^
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Engineering
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 7:15 AM@Benji...Thanks btw for playing Perry Mason on this one lol. No need for you to go to court and get a ruling on whether it was an improvisation or a mistake though. I could care less before and still could care less. If it turns out to have some meaning behind it I doubt that meaning is going to have any relevance on the overall quality of the film OR the quality of the sequel.
The answer, as David states...Is irrelevant.
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Major Noob
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 7:27 AMGood luck with ignoring it. This is getting more press than the Higgs Boson.

Indy John
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 7:31 AMIt is kind of hard to ignore an elephant in the room so to speak.. Just look at how many poists/theads discuss the topic..
If it is a ruse,,that is a pretty damn good one..
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grub
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 8:22 AM
Wow... I've seen the movie three times now (and am waiting for BluRay) and didn't catch that '36 hours' line.

Indy John
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 8:31 AMYou will not miss the line on nthe next viewing,,such is the site power..
My son after the movie noticed it and discussed it with me.
I can understand not seeing/understanding each scene because I was sort of overwhelmed by the visual displays.presented on the screen.
This is one movie I will not enjoy as much at home becuse of the smaller viewing screen.
I would however enjoy playing each scene(with closed caption on) just to see details often over looked.
I have watched one movie multiple times and in each viewing saw something different,,and understand a bit more of the plotline and charactors.. and this after 10 years!
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belladonna
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 8:41 AMactually this is the first post ive even seen about it, i am an excellent ignore-er
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deftones1986
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 8:55 AMDo i need to say i told you so? Yes i said the line was improv by fassbender because the davids are not quite yet the perfect android!!!!!!

Custodian
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 9:08 AMBlade Runner - number error
Prometheus - number error
Ridley Scott - number dyslexic?
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David 1
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 10:00 AMFree:
Aahahah. Good one.
deftones1986:
It says absolutly nothing other than those folks feel so ashamed now they are handing the grenade to Michael Fassbender. First Lindelof excusing himself for numerous oddities says he did what he did with the blessings of Sir Ridley and that he rewrote the Spaiths script. Spaith says he didn't do that, now it's Fassbender's fault.
All in all, the people in charge FAILED.
p.s.: I'll repeat that the script has to be wirten down. No way a bunch of people working on it would not notice the "36h" reference.
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]

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MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 10:32 AM...what's this about 36... was that in the film? I missed that! Who is chasing who around the globe now??? Please someone take me off this crazy train!

xenodochy
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 11:50 AM36 Hours not scripted? Of course it was. By George Seaton from the short story by Roald Dahl. James Garner and Eva Marie Saint starred.
Probably what happened was this: David was trying to recall how long it took Colonel T E Lawrence to cross the Nefud Desert. To assist him in remembering this while he was learning all those languages he created a little mnemonic: the same number of hours as the title of the movie with James Garner and Eva Marie Saint where the nasty Nazis were trying to extract info about the inevitable D Day landings.
He remembered this just as he was asked about the time taken and it just slipped into the conversation, “36 hours.” Proving he’s more human than we thought.

Space Screamer
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 1:20 PM@ David 1 - [i]"I'll repeat that the script has to be written down. No way a bunch of people working on it would not notice the "36h" reference."[/i]
This is very good point indeed, which I think has not been explored:
1) The movie industry expression "If it ain't on the page, it ain't on the stage" grew out of the fact that the script is king. It is the blueprint, roadmap, GPS, whatever, for the entire multimillion dollar production.
2) Ridley Scott is not Robert Altman. He is not know for building movies around random improvisation on the part of the actors.
3) It is standard procedure on most movie sets to have someone reading along with the script as the actors deliver the dialogue. This ensures that multiple takes can be edited together properly. Once those are in the can, some directors allow for multiple readings.
If Fass mis-read the line, the director & editor obviously liked that take and put it in. If not, and he is a very studious actor, he was delivering his lines verbatim, and it was in the script. It still comes down to the director or the writers.
I think they are embarrassed by all of the attention such a little thing has garnered. Fans of this genre obsess on the details (duh!). This isn't an Adam Sandler movie, the fans are not so forgiving. If you want people to believe you can write a credible, technically accurate science fiction movie, this 36 hours thing really calls your competency into question.

zzplural
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 2:54 PM[i]"I think they are embarrassed by all of the attention such a little thing has garnered."
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They are probably embarrassed for humanity itself:
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deftones1986
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 4:10 PMWow you guys, seriously?
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@Biomechanic
- "Ash is a step forward in perfection?"
- A big fat NO. Ash was made by a different company and this was brought up by @Svanya.
[url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/9196]The 36 hour[/url]
QUOTE: "Ash wasn't made by Weyland industries, he was made by Hyperine systems."
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@David 1
- "All in all, the people in charge FAILED.
p.s.: I'll repeat that the script has to be wirten down. No way a bunch of people working on it would not notice the "36h" reference."
- You just answered the question RIGHT THERE.
1 - There is NO WAY that the script would be written with 36 hours included in the first place, because, DUH, we round up 24 hours to a day. We've been doing that since grade school. Surely Lindelof and Spaiths made it past grade school.
2 - There is NO WAY the 36 hours line got past the person who reviewd the script for errors. ( Unless he/she is 6 years old ), they would have noticed this and said "Uhhhh wouldn't 36 hours just equal 1 day and 12 hours?"
3 - How does this get by Charlize (VIckers) who doesn't stop the scene because she faild to notice something was wrong?
4 - How does this get past Fassbender (David) if he noticed he "screwed up", he would have just stopped and the scene would be re-done.
5 - There is nothing special going on in the scene where they couldn't just stop and re-do it, because there are no expensive explosions, or expensive CGI involved, for them to say "well this will just cost too much to re-shoot, so let's just go with it and hope nobody notices."
6 - How does this get by all of the set people standing around watching, surely SOMEBODY would have noticed this?
So that is 6 points now in which the line would have been either looked over, or deliberately put in the script BUT.
This whole conversation is about how Spaiths and Lindelof say it WAS NOT in the script.
So it has to be improv by Fassbender.
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And now this is the craziest most mind blowing reply I've seen about this:
@Space Screamer:
"1) The movie industry expression "If it ain't on the page, it ain't on the stage" grew out of the fact that the script is king. It is the blueprint, roadmap, GPS, whatever, for the entire multimillion dollar production.
2) Ridley Scott is not Robert Altman. He is not know for building movies around random improvisation on the part of the actors."
To your number 1:
Are you kidding me? Improv is a HUGE part of movie making.
[url=http://blogstage.backstage.com/2011/08/the-importance-of-improvisation.html]The Importance of Improv[/url]
"Every skilled actor has had some experience in improvisation, but in case you didn't believe your acting teachers when they told you how important the ability to think on your feet would be, check out this montage of the 25 greatest improvised movie scenes (posted by mewlist last month). These actors got into character so completely that they were able to deliver the perfect line, even when it wasn't on the page"
Just watch THIS video:
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTFQBHBeleE&feature=player_embedded#!]25 Greatest Unscripted Scenes in Films[/url]
And it was also answer your number 2 response IF YOU FAST FORWARD TO 4:12
I'm pretty sure that Blade Runner is a Ridley Scott piece am I correct?
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I HIGHLY SUGGEST you guys watch the link, alot of those improvised lines, especially towards the top of the list, are ABSOLUTELY HUGE BEYOND A DOUBT to the films success, and overall survival throughout the years. You can't argue "Here's Johnny", "Warriors, come out to play" "You wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world?" "You talkin to me?" and most of the others. Most importantly:
THEY ARE ALL IMPROV.
- So if you're gonna argue about films and directors not using improv, I have to say you must be out of your mind completely.
- And I have personally rewatched this scene and the exact split second after David says "fifteen minutes" Vickers IMMEDIATELY asks "Any casualties?"
- So Charlize knew that Fassbender was up to something, and ON THE SPOT she asked her question right away to make sure that it would look as if Vickers really just wanted to move on to the next question.
This line will go down on the list of famous I M P R O V I S E D lines in cinema, without a doubt.
If anybody is STILL going to argue this, the I'm sorry but you must be mentally challenged not to get the hint.
At some point during filming, Ridley said to the actors, there are going to be some things that the David android does or says, that will seem a bit off, or misleading, but just go with it as if you can't quite get a grasp on if he is as advanced an android as lead to believe.
I'ts called film making ladies and gentlemen, so go watch the link I gave, watch it over and over and over and over, and you will understand why those scenes where purposely left in and added to the films....
So can we please lock this discussion now?
I'ts been answered, case closed, thank you, your honor.

MVMNT
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 5:39 PMIt's not I M P R O V I S E D.... (heh)
Dude, can you just accept other people have an opinion rather than having to go off on a tirade every time to try and disprove everyone other than yourself?
You don't have to agree, but you certainly don't have to discount every single one aswell to try and achieve some higher form of legitimacy.
Ridley's not going to write you a thank you letter you know

deftones1986
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 5:52 PMI'm giving REASONABLE answers, not going on a tirade. But how come everybody sees the answers but still wants to bash the script or the writers, or the movie as a whol?
There are way too many points to fact that it couldn't have been a mistake or a script error. People need to STOP saying it was a mistake, because it can't be ture, who in their right mind ever would put 36 hours unless it was on purpose?
Nope, you're all just goin to say the script was written by an idot, who has no idea what he's doing?
The answers are all there that I gave everybody, and I think this is the 3rd time now I've tried to make my point as to improv, as to WHY Fassbender would do it based on androids, but you are all the ones still going on a "tirade" against Lindelof and Spaiths.
Yes it's okay to have opinions but seriously people, this time you all need to pull your heads out of your asses, I'm sorry to put it that way but it's true, you can't just say something that would have no way shape or form even been put on paper by mistake in the first place, let alone not be noticed by anybody at all. There are tons of mistakes in movie, yes but how many of them are actually mistakes that are made ON PAPER, and ON SCREEN without anybody at all noticing whatsoever?
But I guess:
"Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone."

MVMNT
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 6:20 PMBut you know the real reasoning and truth as much as we do - am I correct?

deftones1986
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 6:45 PMCorrect.
BUT:
My question is,
Did I not give enough evidence as to how this would make sense as an improv?
Did I not give a whole bunch of clues, and links to people who know the film industry explaining how improv would be the most logical answer?
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And yet, the only reasoning behind people who can not move past their idea that the writers or actor or director is to blame for "ruining" the scene is as follows, saying [i]basically[/i] (meaning they are INDIRECT quotes):
- Lindelof is stupid.
- Spaiths just wants to push the question away from him.
- They screwed up the script and don't wanna admit it.
- How did nobody notice this? They must not know what they're doing.
- Of course they're going to try and hid it as "improv" now, so they're definitely not going to admit it was a mistake, and so that means whatever answer they give now if just them covering their tracks.
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[i]From my point of view[/i], and my experience of watching movies and picking up here and there on how they are made, those "assumptions" just sound so utterly stupid, I'm not going to act like they don't.
No they just sound like theories from one minded people, but my theories that give logical explanation are just pushed away with with real, withstanding arguments.
So I guess I will just ask you personally. Do ALL if not ONE SINGLE point I made about why this scene may not have been scripted but could possibly, and totally not unheard of, be improv on the part of Fassbender, for a specifice reason as to kind of slip it in there that the David androids are still not perfected yet....make any sense to you?

Indy John
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 9:51 PM
Getting back to the movie..and the '36 hours'
To me seems to be a deliberate element of the David talk....but why 36 hours?. Why not 30, 40 , 48 or even (my favorite ) 24 hours used to denote the time frame.. ?
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Vickers 8
MemberOvomorphJul-19-2012 2:03 AMI spoke to Benji T and he knows someone who knows Fass and is going to get them to ask him. He may have an answer next week.
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